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[Video] Eric, Rich please watch. Magicka Templar is Broken.
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I think we should all admit it. Forumplar's cannot deny it any longer. This video isn't for bragging purposes I just got bored of my NB and took the Templar for a spin.
I genuinely think it's about time Magicka Templar was took down a notch. People can say Stamina is OP etc but it's got nothing on this.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LRZko-VCrrg&feature=youtu.be
Group of 20 or so EP and another group of AD to burn down 2 Templars. So I stopped playing Magplar for this reason, it's just too easy. We're not looking at broken sets here, it's the class. No Malubeth, Reactive armour or Black Rose. I use 2 Engine Guardian, 5 Kagrenacs Hope and 5 Transmutation. I'm not even the best player in the world but I don't even need to slot Repentance or Radiant Destruction to manage my resources or get kills.
Can we just tune it down a bit? Templar is my class and I really miss playing it but it's not much fun when it feels like you're cheating. TGM off please and thanks for reading.
Edited by WillhelmBlack on October 2, 2016 1:55PM I genuinely think it's about time Magicka Templar was took down a notch. People can say Stamina is OP etc but it's got nothing on this.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LRZko-VCrrg&feature=youtu.beGroup of 20 or so EP and another group of AD to burn down 2 Templars. So I stopped playing Magplar for this reason, it's just too easy. We're not looking at broken sets here, it's the class. No Malubeth, Reactive armour or Black Rose. I use 2 Engine Guardian, 5 Kagrenacs Hope and 5 Transmutation. I'm not even the best player in the world but I don't even need to slot Repentance or Radiant Destruction to manage my resources or get kills.
Can we just tune it down a bit? Templar is my class and I really miss playing it but it's not much fun when it feels like you're cheating. TGM off please and thanks for reading.
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Van_0S✭✭✭✭✭They should really nerf one hand and shield not templars.
Make SnB passives active or stronger with all heavy armor equipped.3 -
BruhItsOver9000✭✭✭✭✭Inb4 hate, good luck op, the forumplars are coming! the forumplars are coming!Edited by BruhItsOver9000 on October 2, 2016 2:08PMWOOD ELF MASTER RACE.14 -
WillhelmBlack✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭They should really nerf one hand and shield not templars.
Make SnB passives active or stronger with all heavy armor equipped.
Other Templar was using a resto, I could swap to resto on my back bar I'd just use Healing Ward stacked with Harness Magicka and just be as tanky.BruhItsOver9000 wrote: »Inb4 hate, good luck op, the forumplars are coming! the forumplars are coming!
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Van_0S✭✭✭✭✭WillhelmBlack wrote: »They should really nerf one hand and shield not templars.
Make SnB passives active or stronger with all heavy armor equipped.
Other Templar was using a resto, I could swap to resto on my back bar I'd just use Healing Ward stacked with Harness Magicka and just be as tanky.BruhItsOver9000 wrote: »Inb4 hate, good luck op, the forumplars are coming! the forumplars are coming!
True, but when you get stunned by a NB and they use their favourite ultimate DoS, then it's a different story. Also, SnB are very strong against high dmg players.
I use DW and restro staff, and believe me I can't last long with that kinda off mobs. That is 1 vs X.
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✭On today's "NB asking for Templar nerfs", what looks like a new spin on the topic eventually boils down to the same old issue, no one should be allowed to survive the NB assault, like it used to be, let's fix this back.11 -
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✭✭✭✭✭WillhelmBlack wrote: »They should really nerf one hand and shield not templars.
Make SnB passives active or stronger with all heavy armor equipped.
Other Templar was using a resto, I could swap to resto on my back bar I'd just use Healing Ward stacked with Harness Magicka and just be as tanky.BruhItsOver9000 wrote: »Inb4 hate, good luck op, the forumplars are coming! the forumplars are coming!
True, but when you get stunned by a NB and they use their favourite ultimate DoS, then it's a different story. Also, SnB are very strong against high degree players.
I use DW and restro staff, and believe me I can't last long with that kinda off mobs.
A Nightblade is only dangerous when they corner someone from stealth. In the open world, they die the most. Without their stealth burst, they are inferior to all other classes in all ways.
On the other hand, magplars can face tank whole zergs and kill the weak links one by one.8 -
Reorx_Holybeard✭✭✭✭✭I'm not sure I see an issue in this video. What I see is 2 experienced PVPers fighting against 4-6 very inexperienced players for most of the fight. When they were fighting 10-20 at the end they died very quickly. If their opponents were CCing both of them every 7 seconds and actually concentrating their DPS on one of them at a time I think the fight would have not lasted long.
I'm not a very active PVP player. I might have gained 600k AP over the last few years. But even I've managed to win some 1v2 and 1v3 fights against inexperienced players. I'd imagine if I was actually good at PVP I could manage more like what I've seen people do in Cyrodiil.Reorx Holybeard -- NA/PC
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✭✭WillhelmBlack wrote: »They should really nerf one hand and shield not templars.
Make SnB passives active or stronger with all heavy armor equipped.
Other Templar was using a resto, I could swap to resto on my back bar I'd just use Healing Ward stacked with Harness Magicka and just be as tanky.BruhItsOver9000 wrote: »Inb4 hate, good luck op, the forumplars are coming! the forumplars are coming!
True, but when you get stunned by a NB and they use their favourite ultimate DoS, then it's a different story. Also, SnB are very strong against high degree players.
I use DW and restro staff, and believe me I can't last long with that kinda off mobs.
A Nightblade is only dangerous when they corner someone from stealth. In the open world, they die the most. Without their stealth burst, they are inferior to all other classes in all ways.
On the other hand, magplars can face tank whole zergs and kill the weak links one by one.
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✭✭Reorx_Holybeard wrote: »I'm not sure I see an issue in this video. What I see is 2 experienced PVPers fighting against 4-6 very inexperienced players for most of the fight. When they were fighting 10-20 at the end they died very quickly. If their opponents were CCing both of them every 7 seconds and actually concentrating their DPS on one of them at a time I think the fight would have not lasted long.
I'm not a very active PVP player. I might have gained 600k AP over the last few years. But even I've managed to win some 1v2 and 1v3 fights against inexperienced players. I'd imagine if I was actually good at PVP I could manage more like what I've seen people do in Cyrodiil.
We died to Radiant Destruction.PC EU6 -
Van_0S✭✭✭✭✭WillhelmBlack wrote: »They should really nerf one hand and shield not templars.
Make SnB passives active or stronger with all heavy armor equipped.
Other Templar was using a resto, I could swap to resto on my back bar I'd just use Healing Ward stacked with Harness Magicka and just be as tanky.BruhItsOver9000 wrote: »Inb4 hate, good luck op, the forumplars are coming! the forumplars are coming!
True, but when you get stunned by a NB and they use their favourite ultimate DoS, then it's a different story. Also, SnB are very strong against high degree players.
I use DW and restro staff, and believe me I can't last long with that kinda off mobs.
A Nightblade is only dangerous when they corner someone from stealth. In the open world, they die the most. Without their stealth burst, they are inferior to all other classes in all ways.
On the other hand, magplars can face tank whole zergs and kill the weak links one by one.
Magblade are weak,I know that( I have one )...but for a stamblade, it's a nope. Shuffle+dodgeroll (bow passive) and if required cloak is their trick to escaspe.
But what I was talking about is that there is no need for a class nerfs but weapon/ armor nerfs are really essential.Edited by Van_0S on October 2, 2016 2:22PM0 -
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✭✭WillhelmBlack wrote: »They should really nerf one hand and shield not templars.
Make SnB passives active or stronger with all heavy armor equipped.
Other Templar was using a resto, I could swap to resto on my back bar I'd just use Healing Ward stacked with Harness Magicka and just be as tanky.BruhItsOver9000 wrote: »Inb4 hate, good luck op, the forumplars are coming! the forumplars are coming!
True, but when you get stunned by a NB and they use their favourite ultimate DoS, then it's a different story. Also, SnB are very strong against high degree players.
I use DW and restro staff, and believe me I can't last long with that kinda off mobs.
A Nightblade is only dangerous when they corner someone from stealth. In the open world, they die the most. Without their stealth burst, they are inferior to all other classes in all ways.
On the other hand, magplars can face tank whole zergs and kill the weak links one by one.
Magblade are weak,I know that( I have one )...but for a stamblade, it's a nope. Shuffle+dodgeroll (bow passive) and if required cloak is their trick to escaspe.
But what I was talking about is that there is no need for a class nerfs but weapon/ armor nerfs are really essential.
It could be that Templar synergises well with heavy armour sure. Other classes don't as well though so I don't think heavy should get a nerf, Wrath could be reverted though. I don't think anyone would have a problem with that, it's not an outright nerf as the Bracing Passive was awesome. 3000+ spell or weapon damage on a tank is ridiculous. Let's be honest though, Radiant Destruction would still hit like a truck with 1000 spell damage.PC EU0 -
Moltyr✭✭✭"Mageplars OP, plz fix."
So, because someone is lame enough to run a zerg tanking build and do next to no damage to the X amount of players they are fighting; it's time to call for a nerf of ALL templars? People who only PvP always have the most ridiculous complaints lol.13 -
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✭✭✭✭✭"Mageplars OP, plz fix."
So, because someone is lame enough to run a zerg tanking build and do next to no damage to the X amount of players they are fighting; it's time to call for a nerf of ALL templars? People who only PvP always have the most ridiculous complaints lol.
You can see them fight 20 people at once with around 25k HP and not die while killing at least 5. It's broken how Templars can go from 5% HP to 100% HP without any sustain issues what so ever. Add Bats and Mist Form to it and you get a full on killing tank.1 -
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✭Reorx_Holybeard wrote: »I'm not sure I see an issue in this video. What I see is 2 experienced PVPers fighting against 4-6 very inexperienced players for most of the fight. When they were fighting 10-20 at the end they died very quickly. If their opponents were CCing both of them every 7 seconds and actually concentrating their DPS on one of them at a time I think the fight would have not lasted long.
I'm not a very active PVP player. I might have gained 600k AP over the last few years. But even I've managed to win some 1v2 and 1v3 fights against inexperienced players. I'd imagine if I was actually good at PVP I could manage more like what I've seen people do in Cyrodiil.
Agree, i don't play Templar but this just looks to me like experienced vs Inexperiened don't really see the issue. All classes are cable of that in the right hands against the right people?
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✭✭"Mageplars OP, plz fix."
So, because someone is lame enough to run a zerg tanking build and do next to no damage to the X amount of players they are fighting; it's time to call for a nerf of ALL templars? People who only PvP always have the most ridiculous complaints lol.
You can see them fight 20 people at once with around 25k HP and not die while killing at least 5. It's broken how Templars can go from 5% HP to 100% HP without any sustain issues what so ever. Add Bats and Mist Form to it and you get a full on killing tank.
as long as people don't learn to CC on cooldown you can do such videos on all classes. he got CCed like 5 or 6 (?) times in a 2 minute fight. I'm not surprised he didn't need repentance...
Show such a video against good players and most people will agree, but this one is not a good example for anything...Noobplar5 -
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✭✭✭✭✭"Mageplars OP, plz fix."
So, because someone is lame enough to run a zerg tanking build and do next to no damage to the X amount of players they are fighting; it's time to call for a nerf of ALL templars? People who only PvP always have the most ridiculous complaints lol.
You can see them fight 20 people at once with around 25k HP and not die while killing at least 5. It's broken how Templars can go from 5% HP to 100% HP without any sustain issues what so ever. Add Bats and Mist Form to it and you get a full on killing tank.
as long as people don't learn to CC on cooldown you can do such videos on all classes. he got CCed like 5 or 6 (?) times in a 2 minute fight. I'm not surprised he didn't need repentance...
Show such a video against good players and most people will agree, but this one is not a good example for anything...
I am not talking about just this video. Most Templars run immovable potions, so there goes that. Also show me a video where a stamina nightblade face tanks 20 enemies, having at least two magicka templars.2 -
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✭✭"Mageplars OP, plz fix."
So, because someone is lame enough to run a zerg tanking build and do next to no damage to the X amount of players they are fighting; it's time to call for a nerf of ALL templars? People who only PvP always have the most ridiculous complaints lol.
You can see them fight 20 people at once with around 25k HP and not die while killing at least 5. It's broken how Templars can go from 5% HP to 100% HP without any sustain issues what so ever. Add Bats and Mist Form to it and you get a full on killing tank.
as long as people don't learn to CC on cooldown you can do such videos on all classes. he got CCed like 5 or 6 (?) times in a 2 minute fight. I'm not surprised he didn't need repentance...
Show such a video against good players and most people will agree, but this one is not a good example for anything...
I am not talking about just this video. Most Templars run immovable potions, so there goes that. Also show me a video where a stamina nightblade face tanks 20 enemies, having at least two magicka templars.
immovable potions are not templar specific...and why should a stam-blade even try to facetank 20 enemys? Hide and kill should be the better tactic for them.
the only thing which is specific to templars is their healing in this video. All classes can get better stam-sustain (without killing, with kills repentance is great). How are those guys in the video supposed to kill anything if they can't even drain the stam of their opponents? Those templars didn't even use stuns from what i've seen (apart from the random shards-spam). So really, this video proves nothing.
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✭✭"Mageplars OP, plz fix."
So, because someone is lame enough to run a zerg tanking build and do next to no damage to the X amount of players they are fighting; it's time to call for a nerf of ALL templars? People who only PvP always have the most ridiculous complaints lol.
You can see them fight 20 people at once with around 25k HP and not die while killing at least 5. It's broken how Templars can go from 5% HP to 100% HP without any sustain issues what so ever. Add Bats and Mist Form to it and you get a full on killing tank.
as long as people don't learn to CC on cooldown you can do such videos on all classes. he got CCed like 5 or 6 (?) times in a 2 minute fight. I'm not surprised he didn't need repentance...
Show such a video against good players and most people will agree, but this one is not a good example for anything...
I use Immovable pots, but I was CC'd enough times and I was rooted quite a lot to."Mageplars OP, plz fix."
So, because someone is lame enough to run a zerg tanking build and do next to no damage to the X amount of players they are fighting; it's time to call for a nerf of ALL templars? People who only PvP always have the most ridiculous complaints lol.
I have 33K magicka and 3000+ spell damage and I have 4 offensive skills not including ultimates, it's not a zerg tanking build it's just a general PvP set up for Templar. xD you're cracking me up. If I was lowest of the low I could have slotted Jesus Beam and killed a lot more people.PC EU0 -
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✭✭Have to disagree OP, I didn't see anything in that vid that I can't do with any class in the game.***Dixon Kay MagDK FORMER EMPEROR***Deca Dix MagDK FORMER EMPORER***Valonious MagPlar FORMER EMPEROR***
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✭✭Ok...you got 8 CCs in 3 mins 50...impressive...
but tbh, what do you suggest to change? healing? got already nerfed, but maybe it could be lowered.
damage? magicka-dps is balanced when comparing magicka-classes, so there is no need to nerf them.
Passives? which one? they don't seem OP to me. Especially for damage, the other classes have better passives (maybe not DKs, but NB/sorc for sure).Noobplar3 -
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✭✭"Mageplars OP, plz fix."
So, because someone is lame enough to run a zerg tanking build and do next to no damage to the X amount of players they are fighting; it's time to call for a nerf of ALL templars? People who only PvP always have the most ridiculous complaints lol.
You can see them fight 20 people at once with around 25k HP and not die while killing at least 5. It's broken how Templars can go from 5% HP to 100% HP without any sustain issues what so ever. Add Bats and Mist Form to it and you get a full on killing tank.
as long as people don't learn to CC on cooldown you can do such videos on all classes. he got CCed like 5 or 6 (?) times in a 2 minute fight. I'm not surprised he didn't need repentance...
Show such a video against good players and most people will agree, but this one is not a good example for anything...
I am not talking about just this video. Most Templars run immovable potions, so there goes that. Also show me a video where a stamina nightblade face tanks 20 enemies, having at least two magicka templars.
immovable potions are not templar specific...and why should a stam-blade even try to facetank 20 enemys? Hide and kill should be the better tactic for them.
the only thing which is specific to templars is their healing in this video. All classes can get better stam-sustain (without killing, with kills repentance is great). How are those guys in the video supposed to kill anything if they can't even drain the stam of their opponents? Those templars didn't even use stuns from what i've seen (apart from the random shards-spam). So really, this video proves nothing.
This video proves nothing lol.
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Cmon..they didn't even try to interrupt dark flare when you were standing directly next to them. And see my other posts...8 CCs applied in 3 mins 50 is NOT spamming CC. But sure...at some point all of them tried to CC you at the same time...WillhelmBlack wrote: »"Mageplars OP, plz fix."
So, because someone is lame enough to run a zerg tanking build and do next to no damage to the X amount of players they are fighting; it's time to call for a nerf of ALL templars? People who only PvP always have the most ridiculous complaints lol.
You can see them fight 20 people at once with around 25k HP and not die while killing at least 5. It's broken how Templars can go from 5% HP to 100% HP without any sustain issues what so ever. Add Bats and Mist Form to it and you get a full on killing tank.
as long as people don't learn to CC on cooldown you can do such videos on all classes. he got CCed like 5 or 6 (?) times in a 2 minute fight. I'm not surprised he didn't need repentance...
Show such a video against good players and most people will agree, but this one is not a good example for anything...
I am not talking about just this video. Most Templars run immovable potions, so there goes that. Also show me a video where a stamina nightblade face tanks 20 enemies, having at least two magicka templars.
immovable potions are not templar specific...and why should a stam-blade even try to facetank 20 enemys? Hide and kill should be the better tactic for them.
the only thing which is specific to templars is their healing in this video. All classes can get better stam-sustain (without killing, with kills repentance is great). How are those guys in the video supposed to kill anything if they can't even drain the stam of their opponents? Those templars didn't even use stuns from what i've seen (apart from the random shards-spam). So really, this video proves nothing.
This video proves nothing lol.
I was spamming CC and so were they.Noobplar0 -
binho✭✭✭I agree with OP
Templars just never die! It's just not right!
Oh and buff magicka nightblades please!
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I just see a tank not doing any dps just spamming shards and debuffing so Nerf heavy armor?4 -
lappas✭✭✭Nerf this nerf that. Something new every month when magplar get nerfed to the ground what will you start complaining about? Stamsorc maybe ? So op pls nerf. Pls nerf heavy armor to good pls nerf blackrose pls nerf malubeth, radiant,stamblade, cloak, shields,1h/s 2h ultimate op pls nerf vipersting, poisons, widowmaker, penetration, talons, hurricane, poision inject, overload. Did i miss Something ??0 -
Van_0S✭✭✭✭✭Nerf this nerf that. Something new every month when magplar get nerfed to the ground what will you start complaining about? Stamsorc maybe ? So op pls nerf. Pls nerf heavy armor to good pls nerf blackrose pls nerf malubeth, radiant,stamblade, cloak, shields,1h/s 2h ultimate op pls nerf vipersting, poisons, widowmaker, penetration, talons, hurricane, poision inject, overload. Did i miss Something ??
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✭✭✭✭Those EP are obviously potatoes and probably would have wiped on the NPC guards regardless. Move along everyone, nothing to see here but blatant propaganda.
On my magplar I can face tank zergs of potatoes all day long and slowly pick off the weak ones until I am last man standing, but there are lots of great players of all classes that can kill me 1v1. This video could just as easily have been you as a sorc, Dk, or Nb and it would have looked the same. You disappoint me @WillhelmBlack
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