Penetration is a direct counter to Resistance. If you have 5100 Penetration you ignore 5100 Resistance. That's all it is. Not that that's a trifle, I'm just saiyan

UltimaJoe777 wrote: »

Penetration is a direct counter to Resistance. If you have 5100 Penetration you ignore 5100 Resistance. That's all it is. Not that that's a trifle, I'm just saiyan

Super Saiyan? lol
So you're saying its a direct subtraction, that would be the better of the two

Resistance is a form of mitigation based on a % of damage taken. The cap for mitigation is 50% which is about 33,150 Resistance. Penetration is simply a means of ignoring some of that mitigation.

GreenSoup2HoT wrote: »

How much damage do you gain from an extra 1000 penetration?

To know this you must do the math. If 33,150 is 50% then the easiest way to figure out the answer you seek is to multiply 33,150 by 2 (66,300) and then divide that by 100 (663). Now lets multiply that by 1.5 and we get 994.5. Based on that math 1,000 Penetration would ignore about 1.51% or so of your target's Resistance mitigation so it'd do an extra 1.51% damage, provided your opponent isn't naked lol

Note: If you are a Nord then your racial passive takes priority over Resistance. If you attack a Lv50 Nord they mitigate 6% Damage regardless. Since Resistance mitigation is calculated after that then Resistance for a Nord mitigates up to 47% damage at 33,150 Resistance. In the case of the 1,000 Penetration question though, the difference is abysmal, dropping the amount by about .1% or so.

Kryptonite_Kent wrote: »

GreenSoup2HoT wrote: »

How much damage do you gain from an extra 1000 penetration?

Well if it works subtractively, penetration scales similar to resist so every (roughly) 660 points = 1% meaning 660 pen should increase the damage your target takes by 1%

Keep in mind however with the exception of for example the light armor passive pen... you are trading another stat like crit on a weapon to get pen, so you are reducing your damage output to increase the damage your target takes incoming... so if you reduce your damage more than you increase the damage they take, its a net loss and vice versa.

This isnt entirely correct.
In PvE mitigation is calculated based on 50 000 resistance. Thus 1000 mitigation is 2% damage increase and 500 is equal to 1%.
In PvP mitigation is out of 66000, and thus in PvP 660 is 1%.

Kryptonite_Kent wrote: »

hedna123b14_ESO wrote: »

Kryptonite_Kent wrote: »

GreenSoup2HoT wrote: »

How much damage do you gain from an extra 1000 penetration?

Well if it works subtractively, penetration scales similar to resist so every (roughly) 660 points = 1% meaning 660 pen should increase the damage your target takes by 1%

Keep in mind however with the exception of for example the light armor passive pen... you are trading another stat like crit on a weapon to get pen, so you are reducing your damage output to increase the damage your target takes incoming... so if you reduce your damage more than you increase the damage they take, its a net loss and vice versa.

This isnt entirely correct.
In PvE mitigation is calculated based on 50 000 resistance. Thus 1000 mitigation is 2% damage increase and 500 is equal to 1%.
In PvP mitigation is out of 66000, and thus in PvP 660 is 1%.

Is that the same in dungeons and trials as well, I was under the impression they scaled to the 66000 value in there.

All of PvE is based off level 50 or 50000 resistance. PvP goes up to level v16 (66000)

Kryptonite_Kent wrote: »

hedna123b14_ESO wrote: »

Kryptonite_Kent wrote: »

hedna123b14_ESO wrote: »

Kryptonite_Kent wrote: »

GreenSoup2HoT wrote: »

How much damage do you gain from an extra 1000 penetration?

Well if it works subtractively, penetration scales similar to resist so every (roughly) 660 points = 1% meaning 660 pen should increase the damage your target takes by 1%

Keep in mind however with the exception of for example the light armor passive pen... you are trading another stat like crit on a weapon to get pen, so you are reducing your damage output to increase the damage your target takes incoming... so if you reduce your damage more than you increase the damage they take, its a net loss and vice versa.

This isnt entirely correct.
In PvE mitigation is calculated based on 50 000 resistance. Thus 1000 mitigation is 2% damage increase and 500 is equal to 1%.
In PvP mitigation is out of 66000, and thus in PvP 660 is 1%.

Is that the same in dungeons and trials as well, I was under the impression they scaled to the 66000 value in there.

All of PvE is based off level 50 or 50000 resistance. PvP goes up to level v16 (66000)

So you're saying even CP 160 mobs/bosses are scaled as level 50?

Gil has a good topic on this
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/comment/3353681#Comment_3353681

Kryptonite_Kent wrote: »

Hmm, so if all of PvE is scaled to level 50 instead of CP 160 for resistances, then penetration is actually better in PvE than in PvP huh... odd they would do it like that.

Yup:)