Mojomonkeyman wrote: »

Where are the reasonable templars in this thread who are able to objectively reflect on their classes capacilities without falling back to mindless phrases, such as (1) "ugh,ugh, someone got killed" or better (2) "ugh, ugh, someone bursty cant kill a tank"?.

I counted three persons in all four pages.

To put phrase (1) out of the way, I get killed all the time, by an any class. To answer phrase (2): I actually like to play tanky builds myself.

Now the important part: Good tanks are no problem. Not even good templar tanks. The real issue we have right now is, that the class is allowing players with underdeveloped talent and skill to survive far longer than they could ever achieve with other setups. A tank, like any other build, should have to work hard (!!!) to stay alive and make as little mistakes (!!!) as possible in order to not get outplayed. And a tank should die fast if he/she cant manage to do so.

A reactive + malubad (or similar set up, theres like 2-3 more of those combos) templar, standing inmidst of enemies recasting bol with 10-20 apm (translation: very slow, one action ever 3-6 seconds) for minutes, waiting for his purple beam to drop block and still managing to do more mistakes than proper actions, is not a tank. It is an unhealthy abomination, taking advantage of broken game mechanics and messed up balance. Please don`t insult good tanks calling yourself or other templars "tanks" when relying on such cheese.

There is no legit excuse in the world for ever going for those setups, yet by far most templars I see in Cyrodiil go that route and justify it by stating: "I`m a tank".

No you are not. You are just another lowskill player falling back to the most cheesy set combos someone could think of instead of actually getting better at playing the game.

Love.

Dredlord wrote: »

Moglijuana wrote: »

thankyourat wrote: »

The class purge needs to go. I find it funny that cloak was op because it purged dots so it got nerfed, but they added an ability that purges dots. That's my main complaint with the class

THIS x1,000,000!!!!! When my Dk's combo that costs around 10k magicka is negated and countered by a skill that costs 2,800...#balanced

And no i don't think Cleanse should be removed. But there should be SOME kind of skill associated with an ability that is a literal crutch that can be spammed with no consequence.

Im sorry did you all of a sudden start talking about flappy wings in your last sentence?

Just wanted to clarify

Mojomonkeyman wrote: »

Where are the reasonable templars in this thread who are able to objectively reflect on their classes capacilities without falling back to mindless phrases, such as (1) "ugh,ugh, someone got killed" or better (2) "ugh, ugh, someone bursty cant kill a tank"?.

I counted three persons in all four pages.

To put phrase (1) out of the way, I get killed all the time, by an any class. To answer phrase (2): I actually like to play tanky builds myself.

Now the important part: Good tanks are no problem. Not even good templar tanks. The real issue we have right now is, that the class is allowing players with underdeveloped talent and skill to survive far longer than they could ever achieve with other setups. A tank, like any other build, should have to work hard (!!!) to stay alive and make as little mistakes (!!!) as possible in order to not get outplayed. And a tank should die fast if he/she cant manage to do so.

A reactive + malubad (or similar set up, theres like 2-3 more of those combos) templar, standing inmidst of enemies recasting bol with 10-20 apm (translation: very slow, one action ever 3-6 seconds) for minutes, waiting for his purple beam to drop block and still managing to do more mistakes than proper actions, is not a tank. It is an unhealthy abomination, taking advantage of broken game mechanics and messed up balance. Please don`t insult good tanks calling yourself or other templars "tanks" when relying on such cheese.

There is no legit excuse in the world for ever going for those setups, yet by far most templars I see in Cyrodiil go that route and justify it by stating: "I`m a tank".

No you are not. You are just another lowskill player falling back to the most cheesy set combos someone could think of instead of actually getting better at playing the game.

Love.

DocFrost72 wrote: »

Mojomonkeyman wrote: »

Where are the reasonable templars in this thread who are able to objectively reflect on their classes capacilities without falling back to mindless phrases, such as (1) "ugh,ugh, someone got killed" or better (2) "ugh, ugh, someone bursty cant kill a tank"?.

I counted three persons in all four pages.

To put phrase (1) out of the way, I get killed all the time, by an any class. To answer phrase (2): I actually like to play tanky builds myself.

Now the important part: Good tanks are no problem. Not even good templar tanks. The real issue we have right now is, that the class is allowing players with underdeveloped talent and skill to survive far longer than they could ever achieve with other setups. A tank, like any other build, should have to work hard (!!!) to stay alive and make as little mistakes (!!!) as possible in order to not get outplayed. And a tank should die fast if he/she cant manage to do so.

A reactive + malubad (or similar set up, theres like 2-3 more of those combos) templar, standing inmidst of enemies recasting bol with 10-20 apm (translation: very slow, one action ever 3-6 seconds) for minutes, waiting for his purple beam to drop block and still managing to do more mistakes than proper actions, is not a tank. It is an unhealthy abomination, taking advantage of broken game mechanics and messed up balance. Please don`t insult good tanks calling yourself or other templars "tanks" when relying on such cheese.

There is no legit excuse in the world for ever going for those setups, yet by far most templars I see in Cyrodiil go that route and justify it by stating: "I`m a tank".

No you are not. You are just another lowskill player falling back to the most cheesy set combos someone could think of instead of actually getting better at playing the game.

Love.

Sets over performing, nerf templars. Got it.

mdylan2013 wrote: »

icontrive wrote: »

As a mageblade....if I get into a 2v1 with 2 half-way decent Templars, I will not be able to win. The healing is too strong. Granted they won't be able to kill me unless I make a mistake, but where is the fun in that?

so Templars are OP because two of them could kill one person? That makes little sense.

Grumble_and_Grunt wrote: »

@Bobby_V_Rockit Some elaboration maybe?

Actually_Goku wrote: »

I main a Mag DK - I don't like calling for nerfs, but I'd be lying if I didn't say that the contrast between Mag DK and Magplar didn't annoy me, and I don't think anyone can deny it's there.

I can't burst basically anyone running more than 2 heavy, and especially heavy Armor magplars (over 50% are running heavy imo) because obviously they outheal my DOT's.

Actually, their DOT heals outheal my DOT's

So, to remedy this - I run dual wield julianos swords, but now I have to run chains (yay).

Anyone who says Radiant is balanced is kidding themselves, or a Magplar. My frikken GAP CLOSER has less range, bugs out 90% of the time and does like no damage.

Buff chains and nerf radiant. I'm actually cool with Magplars apart from Radiant. Either the range, or the execute proc needs a nerf. Probably the latter - who feels they're about to die at 50% health? I feel like that every Sunday morning but I'm still here

SadieJoan wrote: »

Actually_Goku wrote: »

I main a Mag DK - I don't like calling for nerfs, but I'd be lying if I didn't say that the contrast between Mag DK and Magplar didn't annoy me, and I don't think anyone can deny it's there.

I can't burst basically anyone running more than 2 heavy, and especially heavy Armor magplars (over 50% are running heavy imo) because obviously they outheal my DOT's.

Actually, their DOT heals outheal my DOT's

So, to remedy this - I run dual wield julianos swords, but now I have to run chains (yay).

Anyone who says Radiant is balanced is kidding themselves, or a Magplar. My frikken GAP CLOSER has less range, bugs out 90% of the time and does like no damage.

Buff chains and nerf radiant. I'm actually cool with Magplars apart from Radiant. Either the range, or the execute proc needs a nerf. Probably the latter - who feels they're about to die at 50% health? I feel like that every Sunday morning but I'm still here

Magicka DK does need to be buffed, as does magicka sorcerer and magicka nb. Templar is definitely the most balanced magicka class at the moment and the other three should be just as balanced (although I have to say, I have been playing my sorcerer allot lately in pvp and this could just be because I know first hand how templars operate, but she is great at killing them )

Magicka in general needs to be buffed in order to be able to compete fairly with stamina right now, but RD? The amount of people constantly complaining about this skill confuse the hell out of me tbh and I have to wonder whether it is just some form of mob mentality taking place with regards to it... Its been explained a million times before, but if RD kills you when you have 50% health left then that is not an issue with RD but an issue with your build because it would only kill somebody at 50% if they were naked, had no heals and were just stood there taking the damage and doing nothing in order to counter it

I only use RD as a finisher when somebody is much much lower in health than 50%, and even then it doesn't always work because people will block and heal through it. It's not even the best or most 'OP' skill templars have, imho, and leaves a templar vulnerable because of its long cast time. It cannot even be seriously compared to the OP-ness of the skills stamtards are using right now.

All magicka classes should be sticking together and trying to make magicka great again at the moment, not trying to destroy one another because stamina is the real issue here, and is the only thing in need of a nerf