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To all people who say,adding dragons to ESO would be lore-breaking!!! NO IT`S NOT AT ALL!!
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Rosveen✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭Dragons exist, yes. Most of them are in hiding. One dragon boss somewhere in a trial wouldn't be lore-breaking. Dragons all over Tamriel or worse yet, dragon mounts - that would be very lore-breaking.
It's all about implementation.8 -
altemriel✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Dragons exist, yes. Most of them are in hiding. One dragon boss somewhere in a trial wouldn't be lore-breaking. Dragons all over Tamriel or worse yet, dragon mounts - that would be very lore-breaking.
It's all about implementation.
I am against dragon mounts (big dragons as in Skyrim as mounts) - that is a joke for sure if someone asks for that.
I am also agains tons of dragons in Tamriel. But some rare ones on some specific places would be awesome0 -
Abeille✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Dragons exist, yes. Most of them are in hiding. One dragon boss somewhere in a trial wouldn't be lore-breaking. Dragons all over Tamriel or worse yet, dragon mounts - that would be very lore-breaking.
It's all about implementation.
Came here to say this. It can be done in a lore-friendly way.
I want to add that, if they add a named dragon that has a established story and fate, that should be respected. No killing Paarthurnax in the second era (honestly whoever killed him in Skyrim, I hate you).Just so that everyone knows, my Altmer still can't have black hair. About a dozen of Altmer NPCs in the game have black hair. Just saying.
Meet my characters:Command: Do the thing.
Zadarri, Khajiit Fist of Thalmor: The thing was done, as commanded.
Durza gra-Maghul, Orc blacksmith: The thing was done perfectly, in the most efficient way.
Tegwen, Bosmer troublemaker: You can't prove I didn't do the thing.
Sings-Many-Songs, Argonian fisher: Sure, I'll do the thing... Eventually. Maybe.
Aerindel, Altmer stormcaller: After extensive research, I've come to the conclusion that doing the thing would be a waste of resources.
Liliel, Dunmer pyromancer: Aerindel said I shouldn't do the thing. Something about "resources".
Gyda Snowcaller, Nord cryomancer: I will find a way to do it that won't waste resources and make Aerindel proud of me.
Beatrice Leoriane, Breton vampire: I persuaded someone else into doing the thing. You are welcome, dear.
Sahima, Redguard performer: Doing the thing sounds awfully unpleasant and really not my problem.
Ellaria Valerius, Imperial priestess: I'll pray to the Eight for the thing to be done, if it is Their will.3 -
MrAppleman✭✭✭Why is this so important?
Aren't there only two times in tamriel that dragons were abundant? One of those already being a magical return of a dead species.
Molag already used a Dragon to learn how to make Titans, he no longer needs a dragon for that.
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randolphbenoit✭✭✭✭At some point I like see dragons somewhere in the game but not as a reason to add flying mountsthe NeXus Guild (NA-DC-Crafters) contact @randolphbenoit
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altemriel✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭randolphbenoit wrote: »At some point I like see dragons somewhere in the game but not as a reason to add flying mounts
flying mounts would be nice visually, but they would add a disadvantage for those players who would not have them, so NO to flying mounts!0 -
altemriel✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭MrAppleman wrote: »Why is this so important?
Aren't there only two times in tamriel that dragons were abundant? One of those already being a magical return of a dead species.
Molag already used a Dragon to learn how to make Titans, he no longer needs a dragon for that.
I would not say "important", but more "they were awesome in Skyrim, so why not add them to ESO too"?
and about the "only two times..." read the post with the lore citations pls
Edited by altemriel on September 21, 2016 12:21PM0 -
Rosveen✭✭✭✭✭
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Because all good games have own unique flavor and there's no need to make every next Elder Scrolls game Skyrim 2.0. Dragons played an important role in Skyrim's story, but they don't in ESO, so you have to ask yourself if they can serve another interesting purpose here or would they be purely fanservice? Which I'm not necessarily against, it's nice to see throwbacks to previous games, but this one would have to be handled with care if we don't want it to become lore-breaking. That's why if it was going to happen, I'd be in favor of adding a dragon, singular, not dragons. This way we can also make it properly imposing and awe-inspiring as opposed to being an annoying flying menace like in Skyrim.MrAppleman wrote: »Why is this so important?
Aren't there only two times in tamriel that dragons were abundant? One of those already being a magical return of a dead species.
Molag already used a Dragon to learn how to make Titans, he no longer needs a dragon for that.
I would not say "important", but more "they were awesome in Skyrim, so why not add them to ESO too"?
and about the "only two times..." read the post with the lore citations pls
As to "only two times", note the use of the word "abundant". They aren't abundant in the Second Era.Edited by Rosveen on September 21, 2016 1:48PM5 -
Cazzy✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Would you just like to see the dragon? Fight it? We couldn't kill them or tame them so they'd really just be there to look at and maybe fight until they back away.0 -
Balticthunder✭✭✭These silly threads about demanding dragons and flying mounts, they never cease - why people don't want to play ESO, why they really need Skyrim and WOW be brought here at all costs, cant understand that!6 -
SilentFox22✭✭✭Personally, I'd love to see some dragons added to the game, especially as a boss. I highly doubt ZoS couldn't find a way to add it to existing lore.
Also, how does flying mounts ruin mmorpgs? I absolutely loved that feature when it was added to wow.1 -
waterfairy✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭When you ask why no dragons in game you should really ask yourselves if you'd think fighting a reskinned Titan with no flight combat would be fun or satisfying.
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altemriel✭✭✭✭✭
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Because all good games have own unique flavor and there's no need to make every next Elder Scrolls game Skyrim 2.0. Dragons played an important role in Skyrim's story, but they don't in ESO, so you have to ask yourself if they can serve another interesting purpose here or would they be purely fanservice? Which I'm not necessarily against, it's nice to see throwbacks to previous games, but this one would have to be handled with care if we don't want it to become lore-breaking. That's why if it was going to happen, I'd be in favor of adding a dragon, singular, not dragons. This way we can also make it properly imposing and awe-inspiring as opoosed to being an annoying flying menace like in Skyrim.MrAppleman wrote: »Why is this so important?
Aren't there only two times in tamriel that dragons were abundant? One of those already being a magical return of a dead species.
Molag already used a Dragon to learn how to make Titans, he no longer needs a dragon for that.
I would not say "important", but more "they were awesome in Skyrim, so why not add them to ESO too"?
and about the "only two times..." read the post with the lore citations pls
As to "only two times", note the use of the word "abundant". They aren't abundant in the Second Era.
well ZOS is really an expert in creating quests and awesome stories and unique NPCs, so they would for sure make it as "not just adding dragons", but as a super exciting quest or story around it1 -
One or a couple of Dragons connected to a specific questline wouldn't be in any way lorebreaking. People suggesting that ZOS should add things like Dragon mounts is what I take issue with.1 -
altemriel✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭elias.stormneb18_ESO wrote: »One or a couple of Dragons connected to a specific questline wouldn't be in any way lorebreaking. People suggesting that ZOS should add things like Dragon mounts is what I take issue with.
yes, I agree with you, dragon mounts/flying mounts, I am not sure if that would be ok, rather not. Also not ok would be adding too many dragons (like it was in Skyrim, but there is was great), but just a few dragons added to Eso would be great. Maybe world bosses, or group world bossesEdited by altemriel on September 21, 2016 1:33PM1 -
RebornV3x✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭The final boss in a Trial should be a Dragon that should be itXbox One - NA GT: RebornV3x
I also play on PC from time to time but I just wanna be left alone on there so sorry.0 -
UltimaJoe777✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Isellskooma wrote: »Why do so much people care about lore? Like zenimax please add dragons. Lore in ESO useless. It's holding them back from adding awesome stuff in.
Because Lore is what makes this series so awesome.Guildmaster of Power With Numbers in PS4 NA Server's Aldmeri Dominion.
Proud Founder of the Yaysay cult! DOWN WITH THE NAYSAY CULT!! #ToxicRemedy8 -
altemriel✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭UltimaJoe777 wrote: »Isellskooma wrote: »Why do so much people care about lore? Like zenimax please add dragons. Lore in ESO useless. It's holding them back from adding awesome stuff in.
Because Lore is what makes this series so awesome.
yes, but if you check that my post above - with the citations from the lore, adding dragons is not against it 0 -
Celas_Dranacea✭✭✭✭✭Im pretty down to just keep fighting Titans - if they introduced any new Titan boss fights maybe with new mechanics / a new skin I'd be satisfiedEdited by Celas_Dranacea on September 21, 2016 4:11PMA Bosmer Nightblade Werewolf2 -
Browiseth✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭What's with this obsession the community seems to have with dragons anyway?skingrad when zoscharacters:PC/NA but live in EU 150+ ping lyfe- EP - M - Strikes-with-Arcane - Argonian Stamina Sorc - lvl 50 - The Flawless Conqueror/Spirit Slayer
- EP - F - Melina Elinia - Dunmer Magicka Dragonknight - lvl 50
- EP - F - Sinnia Lavellan - Altmer Warden Healer - lvl 50
- EP - M - Follows-the-Arcane - Argonian Healer Sorcerer- lvl 50
- EP - F - Ashes-of-Arcane - Argonian Magicka Necromancer - lvl 50
- EP - M - Bolgrog the Sinh - Orc Stamina Dragonknight - lvl 50
- EP - F - Moonlight Maiden - Altmer Magicka Templar - lvl 50
- EP - F - Maxine Cauline - Breton Magicka Nightblade - lvl 50
- EP - M - Garrus Loridius - Imperial Stamina Templar - lvl 50
- EP - F - Jennifer Loridius - Imperial Necromancer tank - lvl 50
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UltimaJoe777✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭UltimaJoe777 wrote: »Isellskooma wrote: »Why do so much people care about lore? Like zenimax please add dragons. Lore in ESO useless. It's holding them back from adding awesome stuff in.
Because Lore is what makes this series so awesome.
yes, but if you check that my post above - with the citations from the lore, adding dragons is not against it
I was responding to the post that said lore is useless in ESO.Guildmaster of Power With Numbers in PS4 NA Server's Aldmeri Dominion.
Proud Founder of the Yaysay cult! DOWN WITH THE NAYSAY CULT!! #ToxicRemedy0 -
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✭✭The only way that Dragons can be in ESO and make sense to me is if we get sent back in time to the era when they existed and weren't hiding. Maybe in some storyline involving the first Daedric Titan or something.
I would rather have a storyline where we see Snow Elves, who are probably still in hiding at their hidden Chantries, or Akaviri races or something. There are too many exciting things in lore that could be put in ESO to be so focused on Dragons.
ZOS is probably trying to stay away from any sort of comparison to Skyrim, or even being called Skyrim Online. They even went as far as to make sure that Draugr don't use shouts in this game... even though they knew them and use them a lot and also not having Word Walls in places where they should be.Edited by OtarTheMad on September 21, 2016 4:48PM0 -
Abeille✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭What's with this obsession the community seems to have with dragons anyway?
Lots of players who are fresh out of Skyrim, I imagine x)Just so that everyone knows, my Altmer still can't have black hair. About a dozen of Altmer NPCs in the game have black hair. Just saying.
Meet my characters:Command: Do the thing.
Zadarri, Khajiit Fist of Thalmor: The thing was done, as commanded.
Durza gra-Maghul, Orc blacksmith: The thing was done perfectly, in the most efficient way.
Tegwen, Bosmer troublemaker: You can't prove I didn't do the thing.
Sings-Many-Songs, Argonian fisher: Sure, I'll do the thing... Eventually. Maybe.
Aerindel, Altmer stormcaller: After extensive research, I've come to the conclusion that doing the thing would be a waste of resources.
Liliel, Dunmer pyromancer: Aerindel said I shouldn't do the thing. Something about "resources".
Gyda Snowcaller, Nord cryomancer: I will find a way to do it that won't waste resources and make Aerindel proud of me.
Beatrice Leoriane, Breton vampire: I persuaded someone else into doing the thing. You are welcome, dear.
Sahima, Redguard performer: Doing the thing sounds awfully unpleasant and really not my problem.
Ellaria Valerius, Imperial priestess: I'll pray to the Eight for the thing to be done, if it is Their will.3 -
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✭Okay, you found TWO dragons supposed to be alive in 2nd era... The only two survivors of the Dragon War. Maybe we will see one of them in the futur... Maybe one in Vvardenfell where he's supposed haveing landed. And the other one, we don't know... So it is thin to add dragons anyhow. At best one of the two will make an appearance in a future DLC , that's all.
So if they're is 2 that nobody has seen for awhile does that not mean that they're could also be more?
Maybe they went and hid to replenish their ranks.
I think some people just don't like dragons for whatever reason they don't want to admit. Saying because lore is just an easy scapegoat for many.
Let's not forget also that the devs have said many things only to change their mind. Also if they want to add dragons they can say an earthquake happened releasing dragons that were thought to have been gone.
This is a video game that they develop and as such can add whatever to "lore".
I for one like the idea of fighting a dragon as that was one of the most enjoyable parts of neverwinter.0 -
FLuFFyxMuFFiN✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Isellskooma wrote: »Why do so much people care about lore? Like zenimax please add dragons. Lore in ESO useless. It's holding them back from adding awesome stuff in.
Because the lore is what keeps the ES in ESO. Take out the lore and start adding random things that don't fit in the ES universe and you just get a random fantasy MMO. I am not referring to dragons because there is a lore friendly way that a dragon could appear but your statement regarding the lore being useless is a bit extreme. If you really want dragons so bad you could just go play Skyrim or WoW. If you are hoping for an abundance of dragons and flying mounts then this may not be the game for you.4 -
mlstevens42_ESO✭✭✭Dragons are more like magical constructs in some ways. They do not have young. So they would not be off replenishing their ranks. There were some dragon like critters in Daggerfall called dragonlings but it has been said they were not actually dragons like Alduin and kin.
Most of the dragons mentioned to be alive/ in hiding are essential to later events and so I doubt that they will make an appearance.
Could there be some dragon off someplace that was not mentioned? Possibly... the dragon guard/ blades though were quite careful in their attempts to list each dragon thought to be still alive. They hated the dragons and wanted them all to die. So they had a reason to keep good records about who was where and why. These are some of the reasons I do not see a lot of hope for those that wish for dragons to be in game.
As others have mentioned I certainly would never think they would appear as a mount for any reason. However this was not what the op has suggested. They are just hoping to encounter the legendary creature some place within eso. While it is possible I think it unlikely they will appear. There are already some dragon like critters in the titans that molag bal constructed.2 -
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✭For Talos...
Dragos are hiding, they are not hibernating or anything. Some of them, as the Atlas of Dragons states even have close relations with people.
Why do you guys hate on Dragons so much?“Kings of the land and the sky we are; proud gryphons.” Stalker stands, the epitome of pride. Naked and muscular, his wings widen and his feet dig in as if he alone holds down the earth and supports the heavens, keeping the two ever separate.”
Gryphons guild - @Milvan,1 -
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✭✭For Talos...
Dragos are hiding, they are not hibernating or anything. Some of them, as the Atlas of Dragons states even have close relations with people.
Why do you guys hate on Dragons so much?
Its not that people hate on dragons. They hate on the people who think that lore can just be thrown out the window just to fulfill peoples wants.4
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