DocFrost72 wrote: »I thought these threads died?
Vipstaakki wrote: »In a what deranged way is a craft bag P2W? Please explain in detail.
ZOS_PeterT wrote: »We have moved this discussion to: Crown Store & ESO Plus
Bigevilpeter wrote: »DocFrost72 wrote: »I thought these threads died?
They will keep coming back the longer the game goes, because they become more of a must over time
DocFrost72 wrote: »I thought these threads died?
@Bigevilpeter That's not right.
Here let me show you something you would see in P2W business model
- Quest locked with cash shop item, TL;DR you need to buy item from cash shop to proceed the quests http://twinsaga.aeriagames.com/itemmall/Webshop/Quest+Items
- Let alone Crafting Bag, in P2Win business model you would need to spend real money to even upgrade your bank/inventory slot which in ESO you can do that with in-game Gold.
Bigevilpeter wrote: »@Bigevilpeter That's not right.
Here let me show you something you would see in P2W business model
- Quest locked with cash shop item, TL;DR you need to buy item from cash shop to proceed the quests http://twinsaga.aeriagames.com/itemmall/Webshop/Quest+Items
- Let alone Crafting Bag, in P2Win business model you would need to spend real money to even upgrade your bank/inventory slot which in ESO you can do that with in-game Gold.
Aren't dlc quests locked behind a paywall and you get by subbing?
Don't you have a limit for upgrading you bank and you can never get to the point of the craft bags?
Even by your explanation thats p2w the way i see it
DocFrost72 wrote: »Bigevilpeter wrote: »@Bigevilpeter That's not right.
Here let me show you something you would see in P2W business model
- Quest locked with cash shop item, TL;DR you need to buy item from cash shop to proceed the quests http://twinsaga.aeriagames.com/itemmall/Webshop/Quest+Items
- Let alone Crafting Bag, in P2Win business model you would need to spend real money to even upgrade your bank/inventory slot which in ESO you can do that with in-game Gold.
Aren't dlc quests locked behind a paywall and you get by subbing?
Don't you have a limit for upgrading you bank and you can never get to the point of the craft bags?
Even by your explanation thats p2w the way i see it
If inventory size was a measure of winning, you'd be right. It's not, however. And unfortunately for you, this does not in any way constitute pay to win.
Two equal players, one with the craft bags and one without, will still be equal. You feel inconvenienced by something you've dealt with for years, once you saw a shiny. I'd be very much on your side if they reduced bag size and made the old bag size for paying customers only, but news flash: that did not happen.
Bigevilpeter wrote: »DocFrost72 wrote: »Bigevilpeter wrote: »@Bigevilpeter That's not right.
Here let me show you something you would see in P2W business model
- Quest locked with cash shop item, TL;DR you need to buy item from cash shop to proceed the quests http://twinsaga.aeriagames.com/itemmall/Webshop/Quest+Items
- Let alone Crafting Bag, in P2Win business model you would need to spend real money to even upgrade your bank/inventory slot which in ESO you can do that with in-game Gold.
Aren't dlc quests locked behind a paywall and you get by subbing?
Don't you have a limit for upgrading you bank and you can never get to the point of the craft bags?
Even by your explanation thats p2w the way i see it
If inventory size was a measure of winning, you'd be right. It's not, however. And unfortunately for you, this does not in any way constitute pay to win.
Two equal players, one with the craft bags and one without, will still be equal. You feel inconvenienced by something you've dealt with for years, once you saw a shiny. I'd be very much on your side if they reduced bag size and made the old bag size for paying customers only, but news flash: that did not happen.
Its p2w that i have to sell gear that i might need in the future to empty up space, its p2w that i have to sell my runes, food abd alchemy ingredients to open up space.
Its p2w that it annoys you so much that you have to sub.
maybe p2w was a bad description f2p is better i guess
DocFrost72 wrote: »You feel inconvenienced by something you've dealt with for years, once you saw a shiny.
Bigevilpeter wrote: »DocFrost72 wrote: »Bigevilpeter wrote: »@Bigevilpeter That's not right.
Here let me show you something you would see in P2W business model
- Quest locked with cash shop item, TL;DR you need to buy item from cash shop to proceed the quests http://twinsaga.aeriagames.com/itemmall/Webshop/Quest+Items
- Let alone Crafting Bag, in P2Win business model you would need to spend real money to even upgrade your bank/inventory slot which in ESO you can do that with in-game Gold.
Aren't dlc quests locked behind a paywall and you get by subbing?
Don't you have a limit for upgrading you bank and you can never get to the point of the craft bags?
Even by your explanation thats p2w the way i see it
If inventory size was a measure of winning, you'd be right. It's not, however. And unfortunately for you, this does not in any way constitute pay to win.
Two equal players, one with the craft bags and one without, will still be equal. You feel inconvenienced by something you've dealt with for years, once you saw a shiny. I'd be very much on your side if they reduced bag size and made the old bag size for paying customers only, but news flash: that did not happen.
Its p2w that i have to sell gear that i might need in the future to empty up space, its p2w that i have to sell my runes, food abd alchemy ingredients to open up space.
Its p2w that it annoys you so much that you have to sub.
maybe p2w was a bad description f2p is better i guess
anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »DocFrost72 wrote: »You feel inconvenienced by something you've dealt with for years, once you saw a shiny.
I agree that the crafting bag is not P2W, but I disagree with your statement above. There are FAR MORE different sets pieces and ingredients now than there used to be even 6 months ago. The bank/bag space available in game regardless of sub has not changed. That's a very stealthy but conscious way from ZOS to push/force people towards subbing. I sub myself so I don't really care but I reckon it would be fair from ZOS to add some extra bag space, like 20 slots.
It has changed quite significantly in so far as there are now 4 more mule slots. I am in favour of periodic increases in the bank slots, however. I would much prefer if they were added as personal character bank slots so that there was an opportunity to keep some items personal to each character rather than everything being shared.
Bear in mind also that we have housing coming in the first quarter of next year, and I would be very surprised (and even more disappointed) if some sort of storage space wasn't included in that.
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Bigevilpeter wrote: »If it were available in crown store purchase for 5k crown i would buy it, i already bought the dlc and subbing wouldn't help me with anything except the craft bags, so its a waste of money for me to sub.
anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »It has changed quite significantly in so far as there are now 4 more mule slots. I am in favour of periodic increases in the bank slots, however. I would much prefer if they were added as personal character bank slots so that there was an opportunity to keep some items personal to each character rather than everything being shared.
Bear in mind also that we have housing coming in the first quarter of next year, and I would be very surprised (and even more disappointed) if some sort of storage space wasn't included in that.
The four extra char slots are a crown store option, not an in game option... if people have to either sub or spend crowns to enjoy the game normally, due to the multiplication of style items, crafting mats, etc., that's not really fair from ZOS imho. Not a dealbreaking thing, but still not 100% fair.
So the bags should just be given free to everyone? How exactly do you propose the game continue making enough money to pay all its employees, keep all the hardware up and running, continue to improve the game, AND make a profit if they give practically everything away for free?
anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »It has changed quite significantly in so far as there are now 4 more mule slots. I am in favour of periodic increases in the bank slots, however. I would much prefer if they were added as personal character bank slots so that there was an opportunity to keep some items personal to each character rather than everything being shared.
Bear in mind also that we have housing coming in the first quarter of next year, and I would be very surprised (and even more disappointed) if some sort of storage space wasn't included in that.
The four extra char slots are a crown store option, not an in game option... if people have to either sub or spend crowns to enjoy the game normally, due to the multiplication of style items, crafting mats, etc., that's not really fair from ZOS imho. Not a dealbreaking thing, but still not 100% fair.
And yes HOUSING... may the ZOS' highest authorities hear you, I hope there will be storage in the houses. But again, we know nothing yet about housing, it might just as well be a pure crown store purchase option... I hope to be wrong, but I wouldn't be surprised if even subscribers had to spend crowns to access housing :-(
anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »It has changed quite significantly in so far as there are now 4 more mule slots. I am in favour of periodic increases in the bank slots, however. I would much prefer if they were added as personal character bank slots so that there was an opportunity to keep some items personal to each character rather than everything being shared.
Bear in mind also that we have housing coming in the first quarter of next year, and I would be very surprised (and even more disappointed) if some sort of storage space wasn't included in that.
The four extra char slots are a crown store option, not an in game option... if people have to either sub or spend crowns to enjoy the game normally, due to the multiplication of style items, crafting mats, etc., that's not really fair from ZOS imho. Not a dealbreaking thing, but still not 100% fair.
And yes HOUSING... may the ZOS' highest authorities hear you, I hope there will be storage in the houses. But again, we know nothing yet about housing, it might just as well be a pure crown store purchase option... I hope to be wrong, but I wouldn't be surprised if even subscribers had to spend crowns to access housing :-(
I was merely correcting you when you said nothing had changed. I hadn't realised you wanted it all for nothing. That seems an unreasonable approach, not least in a topic the very basis of which is the OP's belief that the crafting bag should be made available in the Crown Store.
I have crafting bags and still have inventory issues. It's the "got to save everything mentality". It's not the game's problem or the developer's problem. It's the players own choices.
Bigevilpeter wrote: »@Bigevilpeter That's not right.
Here let me show you something you would see in P2W business model
- Quest locked with cash shop item, TL;DR you need to buy item from cash shop to proceed the quests http://twinsaga.aeriagames.com/itemmall/Webshop/Quest+Items
- Let alone Crafting Bag, in P2Win business model you would need to spend real money to even upgrade your bank/inventory slot which in ESO you can do that with in-game Gold.
Aren't dlc quests locked behind a paywall and you get by subbing?
Don't you have a limit for upgrading you bank and you can never get to the point of the craft bags?
Even by your explanation thats p2w the way i see it
anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »I have crafting bags and still have inventory issues. It's the "got to save everything mentality". It's not the game's problem or the developer's problem. It's the players own choices.
To a certain extent, yes. But it's also the game's design. For instance, in One Tamriel, you won't be able to farm lower level crafting materials as you need them. You'll get them when doing crafting writs and you will have to hoard them somewhere, taking up inventory slots or bank space. Of course you won't feel a thing if you have a crafting bag :-) . But for those who don't, that is yet another burden to carry.
As you level up your crafting skills and your character, you'll not need the lower level mats. Just talk to STEVIL about it. You get lower level mats for doing writs, in addition to whatever is appropriate level. I tried it on the pts; did ruby level writs and got a crate of regular hide.
Those people who are crafters for guilds with many members at many different levels might have issues with not being able to find lower level mats, but apparently they come in crates of 25, so one inventory slot.