Why sooooo much PvE in this game instead of PvP?

Gabrielzavadski · September 2016

Well, most MMORPG's that I played where PvP oriented and with boring Lore, but The Elder Scrolls - Online has a lot of immersive PvE content, fully voiced dialogue and lots and lots of things to do without getting boring, but after a while, most people have their sets farmed, good amount of champion points, all PvE content beaten, and still most of the players are mostly all of the time outside Cyrodill (and the servers still claims that are full and laggy), but why? This game has the best PvP content compared to others MMO's, and there will be PvP arenas now too... Unless this is fault of the time zone of my country...

Is there a specific time and day of the week that the PvP servers has more players?

(09/14/16 - 2:13 PM)

Robbmrp · September 2016

Good god, with the lag we have now in PVP can you really imagine if the other 70% PVE'ers logged into Cyrodil????
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Ch4mpTW · September 2016

For starters, it's an Elder Scrolls game... People buy Elder Scrolls games in search of: Adventuring, fluid PVE combat, immersive backgrounds, lore, story-telling, and things of that nature. Not so much PVP. I did a poll not too long ago asking if people would buy another ZOS title, and the results came back that most people wouldn't (58%). And that the reasoning why people bought ESO in the first place, was because of the game being apart of the Elder Scrolls franchise. That in itself should answer your question. The proof and statistics of my claim(s) will be listed below.

Proof:
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/257946/would-you-buy-another-zos-game/p1

heystreethawk · September 2016

Trueflame PC/NA tends to have moderate action throughout the day, and then "primetime" starts hopping around what I believe would be 6PM your time? Very steady action for the next 8-10 hours thereafter!

Slammer99uk · September 2016

Thread TL:DR

Suffice to say ESO was foremost a PVE game, PVP was added as an afterthought

I hope that answers the OP's question

idk · September 2016

Unless a game is mostly PvP it'll always have a lower population that PvE. The only games I've seen that PvP took the lead were servers that were PvP even in PvE areas. One could not escape except in bases.

ESO will never go that direction and based on the design it should not.

Shanjijri · September 2016

1. Dailies.
2. Achievements.
3. Motifs.
4. Fishing.
5. RPing.
6. Farming ressources.

I always find people in PVP. Early in the morning, not really, but people sleep sometimes. Or just go to school/work/do something else.

starsands · September 2016

Cause you will never know who is and who isn't using Cheat Engine in PvP.

Pallio · September 2016

PvP is for people who like to use the best gear and "skills" to take advantage of less geared, less "skilled" players. They will come here to whine about anything that slows them down on farming weaker players or god forbid they die to anyone for any reason.

PvE is about progression, team building, learning the game and what skills/gear work the best together etc. Totally different objectives and mindsets for hardcore players in both worlds.

The problem is the game has to balance to keep both groups interested interested and that becomes the issue since they do not have the same problems.

kongkim · September 2016

Ch4mpTW wrote: »

For starters, it's an Elder Scrolls game... People buy Elder Scrolls games in search of: Adventuring, fluid PVE combat, immersive backgrounds, lore, story-telling, and things of that nature. Not so much PVP. I did a poll not too long ago asking if people would buy another ZOS title, and the results came back that most people wouldn't (58%). And that the reasoning why people bought ESO in the first place, was because of the game being apart of the Elder Scrolls franchise. That in itself should answer your question. The proof and statistics of my claim(s) will be listed below.

Proof:
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/257946/would-you-buy-another-zos-game/p1

I love TES and is the main reason i play the game. But with that said i still think its the best mmo out there for players that do not like WoW.
But a poll with under 1000 people out of all the players in the game don't really proof much

Beardimus · September 2016

People don't just buy it for PvP, most of the 10-12 IRL guys I know bought it for dungeons together, PvE, etc and PvP as an after thought.

It depends on your playtime too. I solo alot off comms. Proper PvP I want to be on comms and fully engaged so its often about logistics and instant gratification. PvP can be dependant on what's going on where's I know incan flick on for 30 mins and get straight to something PvE.

Ch4mpTW · September 2016

kongkim wrote: »

Ch4mpTW wrote: »

For starters, it's an Elder Scrolls game... People buy Elder Scrolls games in search of: Adventuring, fluid PVE combat, immersive backgrounds, lore, story-telling, and things of that nature. Not so much PVP. I did a poll not too long ago asking if people would buy another ZOS title, and the results came back that most people wouldn't (58%). And that the reasoning why people bought ESO in the first place, was because of the game being apart of the Elder Scrolls franchise. That in itself should answer your question. The proof and statistics of my claim(s) will be listed below.

Proof:
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/257946/would-you-buy-another-zos-game/p1

I love TES and is the main reason i play the game. But with that said i still think its the best mmo out there for players that do not like WoW.
But a poll with under 1000 people out of all the players in the game don't really proof much

True, and very valid points. Then again, not too much of ESO's player base even utilizes the forums. Not even 50% I'd be willing to guess. However, it's still pretty insightful data when put into perspective.

DurzoBlint13 · September 2016

what server/platform are you talking about?

The PvP campaigns can only hold so many people before they get locked and you have to wait for others to leave before you can enter. No one knows exactly how many people that is (hint, hint ZOS) but there is no way even half of the ESO population could be in Cryodil at the same time even spread across all servers for the platform and megaserver. Even if the servers would allow it, there would be ridiculous amount of lag and "glitchiness". Even now if you get a group of 20 fighting a group of 20, the game crashes half the time or the frame rate drops so low you can not use skills. I prefer small scale fights (less than 10 players on each side) to keep lag to a minimum

UltimaJoe777 · September 2016

Wait until Dueling, PvP will be more commonplace Tamriel over!

Volsera · September 2016

Because a lot of people exploit PvP, Zenimax doesn't do *** about it, so PvP gets unfair, therefore it gets boring, and therefore it sucks.

Dread_Viking · September 2016

let me say it this way my ping out side of Cyrodill is 50-70 MAX in Cyrodill it is usely between 220 -430 giant FPS Drops should i go on and ohh yeah the loading screen of Death!

stevepdodson_ESO888 · September 2016

Robbmrp wrote: »

Good god, with the lag we have now in PVP can you really imagine if the other 70% PVE'ers logged into Cyrodil????
[img][/img]

basically think of One Tamriel and you will soon see how bad and "laggy" it will be

ajback_ESO · September 2016

Gabrielzavadski wrote: »

Well, most MMORPG's that I played where PvP oriented and with boring Lore, but The Elder Scrolls - Online has a lot of immersive PvE content, fully voiced dialogue and lots and lots of things to do without getting boring, but after a while, most people have their sets farmed, good amount of champion points, all PvE content beaten, and still more than 70% of the players are mostly all of the time outside Cyrodill (and the servers still claims that are full and laggy), but why? This game has the best PvP content compared to others MMO's, and there will be PvP arenas now too... Unless this is fault of the time zone of my country...

Is there a specific time and day of the week that the PvP servers has more players?

(09/14/16 - 2:13 PM)

I want to know how you got "70%" are you a Statistic Analyst? Studying Analytical data? Analytical theorist? etc? If you're going to flame about an MMORPG (which shockingly enough is not meant to revolve around PvP - just simply gives you the option to do so) at least flame correctly.

tl;dr = go play a FPS if this game doesn't suffice your needs of PvP.

Funkopotamus · September 2016

To be honest I think there to many Campaigns..

Or maybe ZOS should make ONE campaign that actually has best rewards for holding the map down..

Then we would see war on a scale that would be epic.

heystreethawk · September 2016

Pallio wrote: »

PvP is for people who like to use the best gear and "skills" to take advantage of less geared, less "skilled" players. They will come here to whine about anything that slows them down on farming weaker players or god forbid they die to anyone for any reason.

PvE is about progression, team building, learning the game and what skills/gear work the best together etc. Totally different objectives and mindsets for hardcore players in both worlds.

The problem is the game has to balance to keep both groups interested interested and that becomes the issue since they do not have the same problems.

That's an ugly, spiteful, and borderline irrational generalization about PvP; everything that you said about PvE can be applied to the 2.5 years I've played PvP in ESO, except that the learning curve in Cyrodiil is a little steeper, and it takes more time to find a regular, comfortable group to play with.

You make it sound like it's a cruel and predatory thing to win a fight against less experienced players, but that's like if I accused you of being a genocidal maniac for mowing down scores of poorly geared Daedra on your way to a boss. I prefer fighting seasoned, organized groups, and if you're a serious PvE player, I bet you have more fun with the boss fights than you do fighting trash mobs.

Neither of us always have a choice in the matter -- I'm not going to dismount my group to fight a handful of lowbies passing by us on the road, but I will if they start ganking people off their horses. Maybe you sneak around the trash mobs, when you're given the option. But if you don't, it doesn't mean that you're a sociopath who only wants to fight things that can't realistically give you a proper fight back.

Please reconsider making such inflammatory and generalized claims about the temperament or motivations of PvP players; I don't get the impression you have spent enough time with us to make such broad statements about our villainous shared mindset, and it seems particularly out of place in a thread where PvP people are giving a PvP stranger some tips to better enjoy doing PvP things.

Funkopotamus · September 2016

heystreethawk wrote: »

Pallio wrote: »

PvP is for people who like to use the best gear and "skills" to take advantage of less geared, less "skilled" players. They will come here to whine about anything that slows them down on farming weaker players or god forbid they die to anyone for any reason.

PvE is about progression, team building, learning the game and what skills/gear work the best together etc. Totally different objectives and mindsets for hardcore players in both worlds.

The problem is the game has to balance to keep both groups interested interested and that becomes the issue since they do not have the same problems.

That's an ugly, spiteful, and borderline irrational generalization about PvP; everything that you said about PvE can be applied to the 2.5 years I've played PvP in ESO, except that the learning curve in Cyrodiil is a little steeper, and it takes more time to find a regular, comfortable group to play with.

You make it sound like it's a cruel and predatory thing to win a fight against less experienced players, but that's like if I accused you of being a genocidal maniac for mowing down scores of poorly geared Daedra on your way to a boss. I prefer fighting seasoned, organized groups, and if you're a serious PvE player, I bet you have more fun with the boss fights than you do fighting trash mobs.

Neither of us always have a choice in the matter -- I'm not going to dismount my group to fight a handful of lowbies passing by us on the road, but I will if they start ganking people off their horses. Maybe you sneak around the trash mobs, when you're given the option. But if you don't, it doesn't mean that you're a sociopath who only wants to fight things that can't realistically give you a proper fight back.

Please reconsider making such inflammatory and generalized claims about the temperament or motivations of PvP players; I don't get the impression you have spent enough time with us to make such broad statements about our villainous shared mindset, and it seems particularly out of place in a thread where PvP people are giving a PvP stranger some tips to better enjoy doing PvP things.

Yeah people that post that trash are the ones getting ganked I guess..

I was lucky nuff to be around when REAL PVP was being developed for MMO;s -Asherons Call_ anyone?

Back then we could loot your corpse and take the best gear you might have farmed a month to get.. You know what? I harldy ever took anything from anybody unless they deserved it. Heck most of the times if Myself and another were fighting and some jerk jumped in we would kill him and split his gear.. Rebuff up and finish our fight..

So do not go around saying all PvPers are jerks and gankers.
Some of us actually like fights that are NOT AI controlled zombies..

UrQuan · September 2016

Funkopotamus wrote: »

So do not go around saying all PvPers are jerks and gankers.

I definitely agree that PvPers aren't all jerks and gankers. Heck, I started a thread just a few days ago about some very non-jerk non-ganker enemy players I had the pleasure of encountering in Imperial City. I'd also say that ganker does not necessarily equate to jerk. It's probably fair to say that most jerks in PvP are gankers, but it's probably unfair to say that the reverse is true.

I'd also say that in my experience the types of people who tend towards dickish jerk-like behavior are much more likely to gravitate towards PvP than PvE (I'd guess because it's a lot easier for someone who's a jerk and enjoys screwing other people over to find ways to do that in PvP than it is to do it in PvE), but again it would be totally unfair to paint all PvPers with that brush. Based on my own personal experience proportionally I've met more jerks in PvP than I've met in PvE, but both in PvP and in PvE the majority of the people I've met have not been jerks.

Just my opinion based on my own experiences.

Pallio · September 2016

Just to point out, I never called anyone a jerk or anything else, was just pointing out the different goals and mindsets of players PvP vs. PvE. I like a lot of people I know in PvP.

Bryanonymous · September 2016

Maybe because PvP is a scam for ganking meta builds. No thank you.

Gabrielzavadski · September 2016

ajback_ESO wrote: »

Gabrielzavadski wrote: »

Well, most MMORPG's that I played where PvP oriented and with boring Lore, but The Elder Scrolls - Online has a lot of immersive PvE content, fully voiced dialogue and lots and lots of things to do without getting boring, but after a while, most people have their sets farmed, good amount of champion points, all PvE content beaten, and still more than 70% of the players are mostly all of the time outside Cyrodill (and the servers still claims that are full and laggy), but why? This game has the best PvP content compared to others MMO's, and there will be PvP arenas now too... Unless this is fault of the time zone of my country...

Is there a specific time and day of the week that the PvP servers has more players?

(09/14/16 - 2:13 PM)

I want to know how you got "70%" are you a Statistic Analyst? Studying Analytical data? Analytical theorist? etc? If you're going to flame about an MMORPG (which shockingly enough is not meant to revolve around PvP - just simply gives you the option to do so) at least flame correctly.

tl;dr = go play a FPS if this game doesn't suffice your needs of PvP.

There is no need to be rude, I play this game because I like The Elder Scrolls franchise, as well as I like the PvE AND PvP content of the game... I never played or liked FPS games too much thank you! I just find that there is too little players in Cyrodill even though the severs claims that they are full...

Oh... and I didn't said that an MMORPG NEEDS TO BE ONLY PvP... because... RPG= Role Play Game!!!

Prof_Bawbag · September 2016

I can't think of a single PvP game that didn't have its fair share of ass wipes. Hell, there was even complaints when the dark zone in The Division was going through a closed beta stress test and the people doing it were getting paid to do those tests. There were pretty stringent rules in place that people were to adhere to e.g. no griefing and general dickish behaviour of any sort. Guess what, there were still a number of people who couldn't help themselves. It's what those people do, it's how they roll.

It's the same people who usually come on to forums whining about getting their ass handed to them by someone who have the audacity to show them up for what they are, below average gamers who think they're some sort of gaming bad ass. You know the people, those sat in their room with their MLG attire and usually have a gamer handle that goes something like xXx n0sC0pZ xXx.

I remember the first time I ventured into Cyrodiil and I was relatively new to the game and had little experience in PvE never mind PvP. I seen a large group of Ebonheart players heading towards me. There must have been around 15. One high level player got of his mount and began fighting me and to my surprise, I was actually holding my own and began to get the better of him, only the rest of them decided to save their poor little buddy and yeah, I got beaten to a pulp. The badass I was bettering during our 1v1 then decided to t-bag my toon. I sat there laughing because that's obviously all he could do. He had nothing else. Probably still went away thinking he was a damn fine PvPer. Best part is, I'm truly awful at PvP.

Robbmrp · September 2016

stevepdodson_ESO888 wrote: »

Robbmrp wrote: »

Good god, with the lag we have now in PVP can you really imagine if the other 70% PVE'ers logged into Cyrodil????
[img][/img]

basically think of One Tamriel and you will soon see how bad and "laggy" it will be

@stevepdodson_ESO888 Oh, I am sooooo dreading that day....

phairdon · September 2016

Prof_Bawbag wrote: »

I can't think of a single PvP game that didn't have its fair share of ass wipes. Hell, there was even complaints when the dark zone in The Division was going through a closed beta stress test and the people doing it were getting paid to do those tests. There were pretty stringent rules in place that people were to adhere to e.g. no griefing and general dickish behaviour of any sort. Guess what, there were still a number of people who couldn't help themselves. It's what those people do, it's how they roll.

It's the same people who usually come on to forums whining about getting their ass handed to them by someone who have the audacity to show them up for what they are, below average gamers who think they're some sort of gaming bad ass. You know the people, those sat in their room with their MLG attire and usually have a gamer handle that goes something like xXx n0sC0pZ xXx.

I remember the first time I ventured into Cyrodiil and I was relatively new to the game and had little experience in PvE never mind PvP. I seen a large group of Ebonheart players heading towards me. There must have been around 15. One high level player got of his mount and began fighting me and to my surprise, I was actually holding my own and began to get the better of him, only the rest of them decided to save their poor little buddy and yeah, I got beaten to a pulp. The badass I was bettering during our 1v1 then decided to t-bag my toon. I sat there laughing because that's obviously all he could do. He had nothing else. Probably still went away thinking he was a damn fine PvPer. Best part is, I'm truly awful at PvP.

Had to give an awesome for this.

WhiteMage · September 2016

Slammer99uk wrote: »

Suffice to say ESO was foremost a PVE game, PVP was added as an afterthought

I have heard those exact words describe many games from exclusively-PvE players. Doesn't make it true.

Daemons_Bane · September 2016

WhiteMage wrote: »

Slammer99uk wrote: »

Suffice to say ESO was foremost a PVE game, PVP was added as an afterthought

I have heard those exact words describe many games from exclusively-PvE players. Doesn't make it true.

Well he ain't totally right, afaik

PvP has been a part of the game since the beginning I think.. That being said, this IS a PvE game primarily.. TES has always been about the lore/story.. A casual exploration game

NoMoreChillies · September 2016

why so many PVP threads outside PVP forum?

The Elder Scrolls Online

Why sooooo much PvE in this game instead of PvP?

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