KrishakPanettier wrote: »

Nope. All wrong. Allow each user to sell from the porch of their Player Housing. And, from the steps of Guild Halls. I don't care of the Guild Trader system as it is now.

So your saying personal trade store, niffy concept. Do you care to explain this very intriguing idea. Would love to at it some more, dear sir.

howabout we just cut straight to "GUILD TRADER 3.0".. aka global auction house?

QuebraRegra wrote: »

howabout we just cut straight to "GUILD TRADER 3.0".. aka global auction house?

Thats not a solution, thats just a work around option. While that might be norm, I believe the guild traders just needs an update. Maybe the gold sink will player housing, 100m for castle. But right now guild traders r outdate and so 1999.

phairdon wrote: »

KrishakPanettier wrote: »

Nope. All wrong. Allow each user to sell from the porch of their Player Housing. And, from the steps of Guild Halls. I don't care of the Guild Trader system as it is now.

Doubt you're the only one not liking the current system. Unfortunately, doubt things are going to change anytime soon. Numerous discussions are raised about changing away from guild traders.

Oh I doubt the devs care about our opinions on how to fix the market. If they cared it would been done by now. I will still travel tamriel looking for deals and reselling for a profit, buy for 5k and resell for 15k. I will keep loving every second of the game.

My proposal is to take away the bidding, if u have 400 inactive members and only 100 members actually selling items. Your profit margin is going to be much lower compare to guild that has max members.

This would take away guilds from having a dummy trader and force guilds to actually clean out they guilds every month. Maybe its a lot different on PC compared to console, I dont know. I play Xbox, and see a lot of dummy traders popping up every week. How can u compete with top tier traders forcing out the little guy, so u only buy from them.

By using my proposal, every trader bases on member count. Would ease the stress on small guilds, giving them a fair chance at building a market. U still will have a top tier guilds in capital cities, but prices would stabilize a lot faster.

By having more than guild trader per kiosk, it would easier to sellers to sell item at more fair rate, pricing wouldn't be expensive from trader to another. While it wont completely fix the problem, u would still have issues with bunk buyers. Though competing with more people, it would more difficult to control the market as it is now.

Peekachu99 wrote: »

Solution: Make four toons (min). Get them to max on each craft. Roll around in money, tempers, potions, and mats. Sell the excess in your stores via chat. Never, ever, use the guild stores and their racqueteering bs again. The whole trading system is surely the most atrocious aspect of this game.

Sadly, ZoS and certain players are stuck on this obtuse concept. They'll get over it eventually. Easiest way to speed up the transition is to do the above.

Chat its own issues, that is for another thread. That doesn't fix the problem, just delays it.

Smasherx74 wrote: »

Soundwave wrote: »

My proposal is to take away the bidding, if u have 400 inactive members and only 100 members actually selling items. Your profit margin is going to be much lower compare to guild that has max members.

This would take away guilds from having a dummy trader and force guilds to actually clean out they guilds every month. Maybe its a lot different on PC compared to console, I dont know. I play Xbox, and see a lot of dummy traders popping up every week. How can u compete with top tier traders forcing out the little guy, so u only buy from them.

By using my proposal, every trader bases on member count. Would ease the stress on small guilds, giving them a fair chance at building a market. U still will have a top tier guilds in capital cities, but prices would stabilize a lot faster.

By having more than guild trader per kiosk, it would easier to sellers to sell item at more fair rate, pricing wouldn't be expensive from trader to another. While it wont completely fix the problem, u would still have issues with bunk buyers. Though competing with more people, it would more difficult to control the market as it is now.

That's because ZOS allows cross platform accounts...no other mmo I played ever did this, no game I ever played ever did this, ZOS only did this for the sake of ensuring players on console. As result people change over tons of cheap mats and gold then make a killing on console.

Blame cross platform accounts, not the guild system...

But with update 12, there really nothing to spend your fake gold on anymore. What's truly going to happen to market, then. Unless the housing update is before the end the year and that might decrease their wallets.

Smasherx74 wrote: »

Soundwave wrote: »

My proposal is to take away the bidding, if u have 400 inactive members and only 100 members actually selling items. Your profit margin is going to be much lower compare to guild that has max members.

This would take away guilds from having a dummy trader and force guilds to actually clean out they guilds every month. Maybe its a lot different on PC compared to console, I dont know. I play Xbox, and see a lot of dummy traders popping up every week. How can u compete with top tier traders forcing out the little guy, so u only buy from them.

By using my proposal, every trader bases on member count. Would ease the stress on small guilds, giving them a fair chance at building a market. U still will have a top tier guilds in capital cities, but prices would stabilize a lot faster.

By having more than guild trader per kiosk, it would easier to sellers to sell item at more fair rate, pricing wouldn't be expensive from trader to another. While it wont completely fix the problem, u would still have issues with bunk buyers. Though competing with more people, it would more difficult to control the market as it is now.

That's because ZOS allows cross platform accounts...no other mmo I played ever did this, no game I ever played ever did this, ZOS only did this for the sake of ensuring players on console. As result people change over tons of cheap mats and gold then make a killing on console.

Blame cross platform accounts, not the guild system...

Wait, we can transfer our characters to consoles from PC at anytime?

Soundwave wrote: »

Bryanonymous wrote: »

Smasherx74 wrote: »

Soundwave wrote: »

My proposal is to take away the bidding, if u have 400 inactive members and only 100 members actually selling items. Your profit margin is going to be much lower compare to guild that has max members.

This would take away guilds from having a dummy trader and force guilds to actually clean out they guilds every month. Maybe its a lot different on PC compared to console, I dont know. I play Xbox, and see a lot of dummy traders popping up every week. How can u compete with top tier traders forcing out the little guy, so u only buy from them.

By using my proposal, every trader bases on member count. Would ease the stress on small guilds, giving them a fair chance at building a market. U still will have a top tier guilds in capital cities, but prices would stabilize a lot faster.

By having more than guild trader per kiosk, it would easier to sellers to sell item at more fair rate, pricing wouldn't be expensive from trader to another. While it wont completely fix the problem, u would still have issues with bunk buyers. Though competing with more people, it would more difficult to control the market as it is now.

That's because ZOS allows cross platform accounts...no other mmo I played ever did this, no game I ever played ever did this, ZOS only did this for the sake of ensuring players on console. As result people change over tons of cheap mats and gold then make a killing on console.

Blame cross platform accounts, not the guild system...

Wait, we can transfer our characters to consoles from PC at anytime?

Wasn't it just one time deal when console was first release.

That's what I thought until I read this comment about transfering endless amounts of cheap resources... and I'm like... WAT?

Also, I read Final Fantasy had cross platform play.

Smasherx74 wrote: »

Soundwave wrote: »

My proposal is to take away the bidding, if u have 400 inactive members and only 100 members actually selling items. Your profit margin is going to be much lower compare to guild that has max members.

This would take away guilds from having a dummy trader and force guilds to actually clean out they guilds every month. Maybe its a lot different on PC compared to console, I dont know. I play Xbox, and see a lot of dummy traders popping up every week. How can u compete with top tier traders forcing out the little guy, so u only buy from them.

By using my proposal, every trader bases on member count. Would ease the stress on small guilds, giving them a fair chance at building a market. U still will have a top tier guilds in capital cities, but prices would stabilize a lot faster.

By having more than guild trader per kiosk, it would easier to sellers to sell item at more fair rate, pricing wouldn't be expensive from trader to another. While it wont completely fix the problem, u would still have issues with bunk buyers. Though competing with more people, it would more difficult to control the market as it is now.

That's because ZOS allows cross platform accounts...no other mmo I played ever did this, no game I ever played ever did this, ZOS only did this for the sake of ensuring players on console. As result people change over tons of cheap mats and gold then make a killing on console.

Blame cross platform accounts, not the guild system...

You can't transfer characters between platforms in ESO. It was a one-time offer which ended a year ago, nobody has transferred since then.

Something needs to be done about Guild Traders. Certain players have multiple guild traders, creating a monopoly and even an alliance of traders, so it is very difficult to hire a trader. In some cities it costs 1-3 mil to hire a trader for one week. Then as people have mentioned here, these individuals also use dummy traders to block up a spot so there is no competition.

I have a trade guild because I got fed up with the attitude of other trade guilds and these elite monopolising players. However I would gladly give up having guild traders for one central Auction House, where everyone has the chance to sell and buy items, where prices are driven down and players that do not LIVE inside the game 24 hours a day actually have a chance to buy items they need at a realistic price as oppossed to paying 100k+, which they cannot afford being a more casual player who actually has a job.

This monopoly that certain players have created in game does not serve Zenimax, and it doesn't serve the rest of the players online, it only serves the few who have monopolised the market. Trading is much better in other games, even games that now suck like DCUO, the auction house works.

One way it could be organised is still to have a guild trader somewhere, but its just an accesss point to the auction house... or just do away with them completely.

Soundwave wrote: »

MacCait wrote: »

Something needs to be done about Guild Traders. Certain players have multiple guild traders, creating a monopoly and even an alliance of traders, so it is very difficult to hire a trader. In some cities it costs 1-3 mil to hire a trader for one week. Then as people have mentioned here, these individuals also use dummy traders to block up a spot so there is no competition.

I have a trade guild because I got fed up with the attitude of other trade guilds and these elite monopolising players. However I would gladly give up having guild traders for one central Auction House, where everyone has the chance to sell and buy items, where prices are driven down and players that do not LIVE inside the game 24 hours a day actually have a chance to buy items they need at a realistic price as oppossed to paying 100k+, which they cannot afford being a more casual player who actually has a job.

This monopoly that certain players have created in game does not serve Zenimax, and it doesn't serve the rest of the players online, it only serves the few who have monopolised the market. Trading is much better in other games, even games that now suck like DCUO, the auction house works.

One way it could be organised is still to have a guild trader somewhere, but its just an accesss point to the auction house... or just do away with them completely.

If you're trying to big a market, one key feature that we dont have access to is a place to advertise our guild traders. Some will say u got the forums, meh their okay. Others will say u got text chat, again u can get ban for spamming. But again almost every guild traders sell the exact same thing. The only difference is connivance, price and availability, I personally dont have a guild trader of choice. But I tend to shop near capital cities, a few different towns and a village (that has some on the best deals throughout tamriel). While all guilds try to make enough gold to get to the main hub, just to make more gold.

But if your Xbox na, mournhold market had some awesome deals. They always cheaper than reaper march. So if your in neck of woods, stop buy look and u might find a jewel in the mist of the dust.

FYI, we don't have the forums. I created a thread advertising my custom pieces in the crafting section, with the location of the guild kiosks, and the moderator locked it and said posting meet ups is against the rules.

Bryanonymous wrote: »

They are the largest gold sink in the game. I'm not kidding when I say, some kiosks are being outbid at over 10 million gold. It might sound crazy, but the items they sell for the following week will rake in over 50 million, and most of the stuff was earned without investment so it's all profit. The customers of these kiosk are indirectly feeding the sink as well as the guilds themselves. Many of you don't realize how these sinks are fighting inflation by removing gold from the economy. If players have gold pile up and nothing to spend it on, they will pay outrageous sums for everyday items, and you won't be able to find them for a decent price.

Is that 50m for the guild or 50m gross over all players in the guild. Even if the guild is making 40m profit after a 10m for a week lease, really isn't that big of a gold sink. Though this probably PC, console might be more like 3-5m for a week lease. I don't even think adding play housing is going to help the gold sink on PC. Seems like your are *** out of luck.

Bryanonymous wrote: »

Soundwave wrote: »

Bryanonymous wrote: »

They are the largest gold sink in the game. I'm not kidding when I say, some kiosks are being outbid at over 10 million gold. It might sound crazy, but the items they sell for the following week will rake in over 50 million, and most of the stuff was earned without investment so it's all profit. The customers of these kiosk are indirectly feeding the sink as well as the guilds themselves. Many of you don't realize how these sinks are fighting inflation by removing gold from the economy. If players have gold pile up and nothing to spend it on, they will pay outrageous sums for everyday items, and you won't be able to find them for a decent price.

Is that 50m for the guild or 50m gross over all players in the guild. Even if the guild is making 40m profit after a 10m for a week lease, really isn't that big of a gold sink. Though this probably PC, console might be more like 3-5m for a week lease. I don't even think adding play housing is going to help the gold sink on PC. Seems like your are *** out of luck.

Of course it's the guilds earnings. And while the profit might seem much higher, tell me where in the game you'll see a bigger sink? And these kiosk bids slowly increase with competition so that eventually guilds will be investing half their income just to sell. Also, a lot of the profits might just be resales of things that were bought for cheaper, so it's not necessarily 100% profit.

So what happen trial and dungeon cant be sold. What will replace the lost income from those traders. Motifs and mats cant save them, gear is a huge part of guild earnings.