I think I agree with you, but TL;DR cause holy wall of text batman.

This has been the case throughout the game's life

That was the long version of your normal, "Why hasn't Templar been nerfed yet?" Keeping it fresh, gotta respect the determination man. Hopefully, they do buff your Mag DK in some way shape or form, sucks compared to the glory days. We all hate something(s) in this game now, for me it is the rediculous RNG now. Gave up on the whole class balance thing since PVP killed the Mag Sorc. When they give you lemons, make lemonade, or whatever, Stam DK is a lot of fun anyway. Maybe try something else if your class isn't what you want it to be anymore.

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Yeah balancing the game around PVP killed magic sorcs in PVE and will probably do the same for Magplars if enough people cry and whine.. lol..

zyk wrote: »

Prior to 2.3, I used to PVP for hours every day. Since 2.3, I've been super casual. I have to drag myself to PVP; about once per week on average. Based on the state of update 12, I don't think I'll be able to do that anymore.

I didn't PvP for like half a year. I did so much PvP. Now I do PvE Achievements, which is kinda fun, but I want the old PvP back. Back in the days where ground oils, no AOE caps and mDKs existed

Armitas wrote: »

A brief metaphor describing ZOS's prioritization of game development.

An engineer walks into a plane hanger and tells the pilot his cargo weight exceeds the planes engine design. The pilot replies: "That's okay, I'll get a new engine when I land. Now how do I fit this, this, and that into the plane before I take off."

Insert a cargo pilot that hasn't had bounce recovery training into that metaphor and it's perfect.

Skander wrote: »

Magicka templars are not demi-gods since when they are tanky they do 0 damage.

All my brain cells just melted away

BurritoESO wrote: »

The fact that nothing is being done to address the massive imbalances in PvP is getting disheartening. Magicka templars are so over the top right now anyone who is half decent can become a demi-god while playing one. Black rose and stamina builds are way over performing, theres a reason why every known streamer/youtuber doesnt use anything else on their stam builds besides black rose. Nothing is being done to address the issue that magicka dragonknight has been terrible compared to everything else (except mageblade because they are almost as bad as mdk) since IC came out. This dev team has done nothing to improve the quality of PvP, because in my opinion class, stam, and set balance is the worst it has ever been. And i understand why this is happening, after watching Zenimax stream them dueling on the PTS not too long ago, and watching them get utterly demolished by top tier players (fights lasting no longer then 10 seconds against players like Fengrush, Jaybe Mawfawka just to name some) makes me realize why nothing is happening for balance. Because they have no idea how to play their own game or how it works, i mean whoever was dueling was on a stamplar with black rose and velidreth, and that is unkillable in a 1v1 in the hands of a half knowledgeable player. Zenimax just doesn't understand their game and they are unwilling to listen to people who are far more knowledgeable then them (reason why "We Are Eso" has been canceled), and this is really making me lose the small sparks of hope i had left for ESO.

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Mady wrote: »

zyk wrote: »

Prior to 2.3, I used to PVP for hours every day. Since 2.3, I've been super casual. I have to drag myself to PVP; about once per week on average. Based on the state of update 12, I don't think I'll be able to do that anymore.

I didn't PvP for like half a year. I did so much PvP. Now I do PvE Achievements, which is kinda fun, but I want the old PvP back. Back in the days where ground oils, no AOE caps and mDKs existed

You mean where my mag dk would cast reflect all 4 seconds, and be instantly be unkillable?
If you talk about balance, its simply hard to balance things perfectly. Ok, ZoS sucks at balancing way more then they need to, granted. But there will be always someone strong. So get down from your high horses and accept change. Or wait long enought that your class will be op again. Stamina was in a realy tight sport for around 1 year, maybe a bit less. But at some point they got buffed and now everyone cries at how op stamina is and always was.

Just accept that, to stay always on top, you need to change as well. Or stay the same and accept getting smashed by others. And just for PVP, ofc if you meet someone with the same skill level, you will loose. So just get to a skill level where you have a hard time to find someone as good as you. Simple enought?

While I agree with most of what OP is saying, I gotta say, you're missing the mark with the Templar part. Think back several patches, before the OP stam meta. Templar was not OP then, infact in solo play they were quite weak (not as bad as mag DK by a while though). What has changed since then and now? Well, Templar beam has become undodgable again, which is a good change, but its range and out of execute dmg needed to take a serious hit as result.. which it didn't. What else? Well a snare was added to restoring light skills, and in many ways that brought Templar up to a good spot.

...But then Heavy Armour buffs happened, and there is the root cause of all these problems. Heavy armour updated passives had 100% synergy with everything the Templar class needed to be high performing, arguably too high given how much utility they provide in group situations with repentance, shards, jesus beam, and BoL. I have played many different builds this patch on my Templar, and I can say from experience that the difference between light and heavy armour is night and day. The heavy armour buffs alone aren't enough to make Templars overperform in PvP, it's also certain gear sets, such as Malubeth (even now), Reactive, Fasalla's etc. When I say overperform, I don't mean that in the sense that (mag) Templars are one shot capable unkillable gods, that title can only be taken by Stamplars; I mean that a well built Templar can literally never die 1v1 if they are focusing on survival, and so this extends out to a realistic group situation where a heavy armour Templar can spam BoL to keep a small group alive, keep their stam up, all the while remaining unkillable, and having the potential to deal crazy execute dmg. On the flip side, if you die to a tank/healer spec magplar, you're doing ESO wrong.

Here's the catch, heavy armour cancerplar is only one form of cancer in game currently. There are many others: Black Rose, Velidreth, Viper, Eternal Hunt, Dawnbreaker, Major Evasion to name a few. Cancerplars are necessary so long as the rest of these exist.

The main point here is that heavy armour and CP needs rebalancing, if Templar cops any nerfs at all, light armour magplar will potentially be in just as bad a spot as mag DK (even though mag DK is one of the top specs for duels).

PS: There's an easy fix for most cancer in game, just play Azuras Star, only heavy armour remains a problem there.

Kaghei wrote: »

TBois wrote: »

This has been the case throughout the game's life

Yes it has and has been a major factor to why so many of my guild quit and refuse to ever reinstall the game again.
Lethal arrow and dark flare were broken for way too long.
DK reflect was broken for way too long.
Sharpened was broken for too long
Wall of elements was broken for too long.
Healing springs was broken for too long
Biting Jabs was broken for too long


ZOS just leave the major issues and focus on the little one like deer.

In my opinion, it appears that the focus of their development is not on addressing gameplay issues, rather it is on adding little bits of content here and here to satiate those who are content with that sort of thing -- potentially because those individuals are more likely to spend money in the cash shop.

It is my hope that they'll reconsider their quarterly balance patches and focus on making a focused and immediate effort to fix broken/unbalanced items/skills/gameplay for the benefit of all players.


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Kaghei wrote: »

TBois wrote: »

This has been the case throughout the game's life

Yes it has and has been a major factor to why so many of my guild quit and refuse to ever reinstall the game again.
Lethal arrow and dark flare were broken for way too long.
DK reflect was broken for way too long.
Sharpened was broken for too long
Wall of elements was broken for too long.
Healing springs was broken for too long
Biting Jabs was broken for too long


ZOS just leave the major issues and focus on the little one like deer.

Everything goes broken for way too long. ZoS needs to spread dlc release out, and focus on, at the very least, monthly balance tweaks. I really don't understand why class balance comes every 6+ months in this game. If something is overperforming, address it immediately. Simple as that.