Xbox Na Economy is the worst

Stoopid_Nwah · September 2016

zuto40 wrote: »

Diminish wrote: »

zuto40 wrote: »

The economy here is the worst, people are selling temps for 30k in some traders, people can't bring down the price the people raising all have above 200m and buy everything underpriced, can't outbuy someone who can literally buy all of mournhold, the only solution to this ridiculous monopoly on gold mats is to make them buyable for tel var

As an avid grinder, I just had to chime in... I use to devote an entire weekend's playtime (and I binge 12+ hours/day) to primarily grinding. I will tell you one thing, when you go spend 10 hours a day running a specific route in a zone collecting mats, then you can b*tch about the high temper prices It is not fun, but it is a necessity. I've banked hundreds of alloys, wax, and rosin. I can freely make any of my weapons and armor gold. You know why? Because I devoted my time to have that luxury! You can do the same, or you can pay what price people think their time is worth. Nobody is buying up all the items in all the guild traders just to sit on them and hope they can monopolize the economy. Perhaps this occurs at some of the major trader locations, but I assure you it is not happening at every guild trader.

In the end, pay the gold for easy access to tempers, or go spend mindless hours farming for your own. The choice is yours, stop blaming others.

something ive noticed with the super grinders like you, is that they have 0 experience in pvp and pve, and yes people are sitting at traders and buying up all the low gold mats, this is what they do, all the super rich people with hundreds of millions and billions of gold come together and own traders, they make multiple accounts so they can sell more then 150 items with the 5 guild trader limit, this is some peoples job, make a billion gold, sell it for $100,000, other then monopolizing the markets i dont see how someone could have a billion gold, and yes multiple people on xbox 1 do have a billion gold, maybe not on 1 account in case one got banned for selling gold, but across all of them its pretty reasonable to believe they have a billion, so mr farmer go back into the wilderness and run in a circle for 12+ hours, ill be figuring out how to find time to run hard-mode trials, pvp, manage a job, school, and a gf and with all that i gotta find time to grind mats now just cause a few super rich idiots wanted to screw over the economy

preach

Diminish · September 2016

zuto40 wrote: »

something ive noticed with the super grinders like you, is that they have 0 experience in pvp and pve

Really? That is a pretty stupid assumption. Just because I grind, and I work to earn what I want in game rather than cry because someone is selling it for a price that I feel is too much I all the sudden have ZERO experience in actually playing the game? Get real... You act as if you are entitled to purchase what others worked to get at a cheaper rate. You must have been born in the 90's. Bottom line is, if you don't like the price then go grind for your own damn mats. I'll enjoy my gold gear and weapons whilst running vet dungeons, trials, and so on while you do it. Hell, I may even jump on my stamblade and hit up Cyrodiil in the meantime. If people manipulated the market, then so be it. If you were in a position to do it, you would have to. Don't even try saying you have never purchased low, and sold high. You just want an easy, inexpensive way to get top tier mats as if it is even hard to do so as is.

Jaronking · September 2016

zuto40 wrote: »

Diminish wrote: »

zuto40 wrote: »

The economy here is the worst, people are selling temps for 30k in some traders, people can't bring down the price the people raising all have above 200m and buy everything underpriced, can't outbuy someone who can literally buy all of mournhold, the only solution to this ridiculous monopoly on gold mats is to make them buyable for tel var

As an avid grinder, I just had to chime in... I use to devote an entire weekend's playtime (and I binge 12+ hours/day) to primarily grinding. I will tell you one thing, when you go spend 10 hours a day running a specific route in a zone collecting mats, then you can b*tch about the high temper prices It is not fun, but it is a necessity. I've banked hundreds of alloys, wax, and rosin. I can freely make any of my weapons and armor gold. You know why? Because I devoted my time to have that luxury! You can do the same, or you can pay what price people think their time is worth. Nobody is buying up all the items in all the guild traders just to sit on them and hope they can monopolize the economy. Perhaps this occurs at some of the major trader locations, but I assure you it is not happening at every guild trader.

In the end, pay the gold for easy access to tempers, or go spend mindless hours farming for your own. The choice is yours, stop blaming others.

something ive noticed with the super grinders like you, is that they have 0 experience in pvp and pve, and yes people are sitting at traders and buying up all the low gold mats, this is what they do, all the super rich people with hundreds of millions and billions of gold come together and own traders, they make multiple accounts so they can sell more then 150 items with the 5 guild trader limit, this is some peoples job, make a billion gold, sell it for $100,000, other then monopolizing the markets i dont see how someone could have a billion gold, and yes multiple people on xbox 1 do have a billion gold, maybe not on 1 account in case one got banned for selling gold, but across all of them its pretty reasonable to believe they have a billion, so mr farmer go back into the wilderness and run in a circle for 12+ hours, ill be figuring out how to find time to run hard-mode trials, pvp, manage a job, school, and a gf and with all that i gotta find time to grind mats now just cause a few super rich idiots wanted to screw over the economy

Dam man speaks the truth right here.

Hey @ZOS_BrianWheeler want the PVP community to love you allow us to buy gold mats with AP.

zuto40 · September 2016

Diminish wrote: »

zuto40 wrote: »

something ive noticed with the super grinders like you, is that they have 0 experience in pvp and pve

Really? That is a pretty stupid assumption. Just because I grind, and I work to earn what I want in game rather than cry because someone is selling it for a price that I feel is too much I all the sudden have ZERO experience in actually playing the game? Get real... You act as if you are entitled to purchase what others worked to get at a cheaper rate. You must have been born in the 90's. Bottom line is, if you don't like the price then go grind for your own damn mats. I'll enjoy my gold gear and weapons whilst running vet dungeons, trials, and so on while you do it. Hell, I may even jump on my stamblade and hit up Cyrodiil in the meantime. If people manipulated the market, then so be it. If you were in a position to do it, you would have to. Don't even try saying you have never purchased low, and sold high. You just want an easy, inexpensive way to get top tier mats as if it is even hard to do so as is.

another person using the 90's as an argument, that right there completely invalidated any argument you would have had

Articulemort · September 2016

The average going rate if a temp alloy is 17.5k currently. Yes the cost practically doubled. No it didn't happen overnight. It was gradually raise by the community because everyone kept buying them. Regardless of it was "super rich guild master collusion" players or not, that's the rate. Don't like it, it takes maybe 30 minutes to get a full stack of void stone in craglorn.

Go farm your own mats if you don't like the price. No one is forcing you to buy anything. You can do just fine with gold weapons and purple armor.
16 temps wouldn't take very long to acquire......

Vezuls · September 2016

The prices aren't THAT crazy on XBox NA (30k a temp), but they are definitely way more than they should be.

As a frequent raider in a solid guild, the money is not an issue because of BOE drops, however that will change next patch with the current adjustments, and it will become like last patch where if you weren't already rich, there's no way to raid or make money without an endless grind or merchanting.

On Xbox NA, a select group of people did this and even proclaimed they would do so before the patch even dropped. It was definitely more than 2-3 players and even guilds, but they had this plan at least 2 weeks before SoTH dropped. I am aware of some, but not all, and I will not name them. What they did sucks and for the one's selling in game gold for real money it's against ToS, but what they did is smart from a money making standpoint: buy everything up to control the market and get more money through merchanting.

The issue is not enough of these things are farmed, because chances of getting them is quite low or it takes a lot of time to gather a reasonable amount. That's pretty much the only reason they are even able to this with any success. If a known spot like the fabled pig farm existed, dreugh wax would be as cheap as it used to be. If there was a spot for Alloys, Rosins, etc... it would be the same. The easiest way to stabilize the economy without applying limiters is to guarantee a gold mat every 5 or so refines (not forever, but perhaps an event to inject more into the economy), each set of alchemy mats used results in 8, 12, or 16 potions (again, not forever, but long enough to stabilize the economy), and things of the sort. Of course, the same people could easily skyrocket the prices again after the event is over, and if they did perhaps that would have to be a permanent solution.

Xbox NA has a huge economic problem which needs to be addressed. For select guilds it isn't an issue until BOE items get taken out of trials, but for others, especially newer players, it's a huge deterrent to make any progress at all.

Ch4mpTW · September 2016

To the people who say that having a 17k average for a good improvement isn't that bad, or how the market isn't too bad for XB1-NA be fully aware that it's only going to get worse until Zenimax steps in. Be fully aware of that. Things like this in MMO's never fix themselves, as people are greedy and stubborn. And as history has proven time and time again, if a problem is left unchecked and dealt with? It only grows.

This is why I'm thankful that I am a crafter and farmer, and invested in both things heavily since I first picked-up the game. I never once had to deal with the bs prices of anything material-wise, but I had to deal with the bs drop-rate of refined gold pieces due to ZOS. However! I'd much rather deal with the bs of ZOS' drop-rates of gold improvements, than sit there and have to pay someone 15-30k gold for a single gold improvement. For 8 pieces, you're paying what at the most? 240k if buying them at 30k a pop? And if buying upgrades for 7 pieces (body), you're spending 1,680,000k. That's stupid.

Kalante · September 2016

remember when alloids used to be 9k-10k when eso was new on console and thought that was expensive. or Dreugh wax only being 4k gold.

Mettaricana · September 2016

I'm on ps4 current rates are

10-14k temps
5-7k rosin
6-8k kuta
6.5-7.5 wax

I am severely blessed on my choice to go ps4 we have a buncha rich teansfers but economy seems to not flux so bad as xbox we got a few rich guys actually stabilizing the prices and keeping them low and reselling them at a loss to themselves.

Idea temper frags? Every 20-50 your guarentee a fragment of alloy or a droplet of wax as well as the normal chances to get a temper and once you get 10 of the fragments refine the fragment into 1-3 of that temper like 70% chance to get 1, 20% chance to get 2 and 10% chance to get 3. Or allow deconstructing to give back atleast half the tempers not one or none.

Ch4mpTW · September 2016

Kalante wrote: »

remember when alloids used to be 9k-10k when eso was new on console and thought that was expensive. or Dreugh wax only being 4k gold.

That was because of the "Genumbra Pig Farm Exploit", which lasted for months. Literally months. And ZOS didn't fix it, until people who weren't getting invited into farming groups at this location started making thread after thread complaining about it. Thus causing ZOS to look into it, and eventually patch it. Right now on PS4-NA, I know tons of people sitting on stacks and stacks of dreugh wax and elegant lining from that. We're talking 15+ stacks of wax, and it was patched a long time ago.

Also as a side note, a lot of the people involved with that was also involved in the "Banker Exploit". Thus causing them to have even more supplies of gold improvements. So now when you look at things like the market, and put things into perspective — now you see how a lot of these dudes can/could have made millions. You're sitting on over well over 10 stacks of: Alloys, Kutas, Rosen, and wax. And alloys are going for up to 30k most... A stack is 200, so 30k times 200 is 6M. You're sitting on 6M gold for 1 stack. Now you have 10 of them for example. That's 60M gold you're sitting on. And that's just alloys. That's not taking into consideration Kutas, Rosen, or Wax.

Like I said, bruh. Things are rigged and stupid, and ZOS needs to intervene immediately.

jircris11 · September 2016

zuto40 wrote: »

karldavy149b16_ESO wrote: »

i always have to laugh when i see posts like this the economy dont matter go grind the mats it really doesnt take long to get yaself enough temps and dreugh to fully legendary a suit (tanks dont need to go legendary other than the shield if u spent cp right) this is just anouther post from the entitlement generation ... u think the grind for temps/dreugh is bad u clearly never played swg and ground out jedi now that was a grind that could take 7-8 months of 5 hour days to get....

ultimately if thats what it cost and im guessing you being the entitlement generation then thats what u have to pay .. get over yourself go put in some work or pay the price

Hey look everyone someone using the age card again, alright buddy lemme say a few things

1: selling them for tel var still requires grinding

2: I played a game called pirate101 you may have heard of it before and might think that's a children's game, your not wrong but the bis gear for that game requires way more grinding then any game you've played, getting top gear took my clan(Undefeated CvC record) over 2 years of playing 12 hours a day, even still after a year of farming I have yet to get shoshos kit, an item locked behind a half hour dungeon with a loot table diluted by 100's of other items, every loot table is diluted like that. Did I mention this bis gear is only wearable by 1 class, there are 5, I know a grind thank you very much

3: I'm assuming you're apart of another generation so yes call me the entitlement generation, it's not like your generation helped **** over the world

i understand your argument, and i can feel your pain. Though the kind of grind im use to was much much worse then that. ultima online/everquest where my main headaches. Grind for years to build your character to perfection only to die and lose all of your damn gear because some moron though it would be fun to run a dmg hack. ESO's grind though annoying is nothing in comparison, pirate101 was horrid but it was also a massive cash grab (played it for a long time my self)

xenowarrior92eb17_ESO · September 2016

Soundwave wrote: »

The next update is just around the corner, there will be an influx in yellow mats. Prices will drop and since everything scale, not having to have a dlc for max lvl mats will help a lot. Just wait a little longer, let little kids have they fun now.

it matters little as long as there are no actual farmers to supply over the demand...meanwhile il get even more richer than I already am

DisgracefulMind · September 2016

And here I am crying about 8k alloys :'(

Articulemort · September 2016

It's really all just about supply and demand. The price is/was going up because there is a highly demand than supply.

Is the lack of supply artificially made because certain players are buying them up? Doubt it, since a few week ago I decided to test how much players were willing to pay for a temp alloy and sold one within a day of posting it for 25k. Can't imagine someone who is trying to influence the market would buy an over priced item...

Blame the stam/mag wedge and the stamina FOTM before I would blame anything else. Everyone is running stamina toons and needs temp alloys...

zuto40 · September 2016

jircris11 wrote: »

zuto40 wrote: »

karldavy149b16_ESO wrote: »

i always have to laugh when i see posts like this the economy dont matter go grind the mats it really doesnt take long to get yaself enough temps and dreugh to fully legendary a suit (tanks dont need to go legendary other than the shield if u spent cp right) this is just anouther post from the entitlement generation ... u think the grind for temps/dreugh is bad u clearly never played swg and ground out jedi now that was a grind that could take 7-8 months of 5 hour days to get....

ultimately if thats what it cost and im guessing you being the entitlement generation then thats what u have to pay .. get over yourself go put in some work or pay the price

Hey look everyone someone using the age card again, alright buddy lemme say a few things

1: selling them for tel var still requires grinding

2: I played a game called pirate101 you may have heard of it before and might think that's a children's game, your not wrong but the bis gear for that game requires way more grinding then any game you've played, getting top gear took my clan(Undefeated CvC record) over 2 years of playing 12 hours a day, even still after a year of farming I have yet to get shoshos kit, an item locked behind a half hour dungeon with a loot table diluted by 100's of other items, every loot table is diluted like that. Did I mention this bis gear is only wearable by 1 class, there are 5, I know a grind thank you very much

3: I'm assuming you're apart of another generation so yes call me the entitlement generation, it's not like your generation helped **** over the world

i understand your argument, and i can feel your pain. Though the kind of grind im use to was much much worse then that. ultima online/everquest where my main headaches. Grind for years to build your character to perfection only to die and lose all of your damn gear because some moron though it would be fun to run a dmg hack. ESO's grind though annoying is nothing in comparison, pirate101 was horrid but it was also a massive cash grab (played it for a long time my self)

yooo were you a pvper in pirates or a pver

zuto40 · September 2016

Vezuls wrote: »

The prices aren't THAT crazy on XBox NA (30k a temp), but they are definitely way more than they should be.

i did say some, i didnt mean every trader was selling for 30

Skinzz · September 2016

zuto40 wrote: »

Vezuls wrote: »

The prices aren't THAT crazy on XBox NA (30k a temp), but they are definitely way more than they should be.

i did say some, i didnt mean every trader was selling for 30

Basically any temps selling for 20k or less would be bought out and immediately reposted for 25-30k. Heck, i even see temps posted for 37k each! So many guild stores dont even have tempers for sale anymore because of the richer stores. Oh, there was also a trader in mournhold last week only selling stacks or huge bundles of temps or wax. Fishy.

Shad0wfire99 · September 2016

xskinzcity wrote: »

zuto40 wrote: »

Vezuls wrote: »

The prices aren't THAT crazy on XBox NA (30k a temp), but they are definitely way more than they should be.

i did say some, i didnt mean every trader was selling for 30

Basically any temps selling for 20k or less would be bought out and immediately reposted for 25-30k. Heck, i even see temps posted for 37k each! So many guild stores dont even have tempers for sale anymore because of the richer stores. Oh, there was also a trader in mournhold last week only selling stacks or huge bundles of temps or wax. Fishy.

This. It's not rocket science and it doesn't take Sherlock Holms to see what's happening, but people are either blind, or they're benefiting from it.

Jaronking · September 2016

Hey @ZOS_GinaBruno @ZOS_BrianWheeler @ZOS_RichLambert You want everyone to love you guys and get good press male gold mats be allowed to be bought with AP but not traded in guild store so it doesn't affect the market.

Jaronking · September 2016

@zuto40 they will never allow you to buy gold mats with Tel var because you can only gain tel var from a DLC kinda P2W.

GDOFWR420 · September 2016

Omg plz give me everthing i need to win and be the best at this game, i mean why should i have to grind and level my characters and farm matz they should just give them to me. We should all have the same stats same gear and no one should be able to make their own prices, god anything but that.

Millenials make me sick, oh give me this give me that, you are not entitled to anything you didnt work for. So thanks for whinning and shut up

Destyran · September 2016

Diminish wrote: »

zuto40 wrote: »

The economy here is the worst, people are selling temps for 30k in some traders, people can't bring down the price the people raising all have above 200m and buy everything underpriced, can't outbuy someone who can literally buy all of mournhold, the only solution to this ridiculous monopoly on gold mats is to make them buyable for tel var

As an avid grinder, I just had to chime in... I use to devote an entire weekend's playtime (and I binge 12+ hours/day) to primarily grinding. I will tell you one thing, when you go spend 10 hours a day running a specific route in a zone collecting mats, then you can b*tch about the high temper prices It is not fun, but it is a necessity. I've banked hundreds of alloys, wax, and rosin. I can freely make any of my weapons and armor gold. You know why? Because I devoted my time to have that luxury! You can do the same, or you can pay what price people think their time is worth. Nobody is buying up all the items in all the guild traders just to sit on them and hope they can monopolize the economy. Perhaps this occurs at some of the major trader locations, but I assure you it is not happening at every guild trader.

In the end, pay the gold for easy access to tempers, or go spend mindless hours farming for your own. The choice is yours, stop blaming others.

Its happening at every guild trader. Even the abandoned zones smugglers dens guild merchants. EVERYWHERE!! people are all teying to sell their temps from 17k rare - 35k its cancerous. I have been geinding a maelstrom staff for a eternity you think i got time to farm mats? No i just wanna buy it but not at 20k plus a temp and 1000g + a alchemy reagent.

Articulemort · September 2016

Jaronking wrote: »

Hey @ZOS_GinaBruno @ZOS_BrianWheeler @ZOS_RichLambert You want everyone to love you guys and get good press male gold mats be allowed to be bought with AP but not traded in guild store so it doesn't affect the market.

If you think being able to buy them with AP and don't trade them won't affect the market shows you clearly know absolutely nothing about the in game market.

Being able to buy gold mats for AP means less players buying gold mats = price of mats doing down.

Supply and demand, same supply less demand, price drop.

The amount of time require to obtain AP, you could probably just go farm for once in your life and acquire you own gold mats. Imagine that. Stop being so lazy and want everything handed to you. You aren't entitled to gold mats, you want BiS gear, go farm it.

Shad0wfire99 · September 2016

GDOFWR420 wrote: »

Omg plz give me everthing i need to win and be the best at this game, i mean why should i have to grind and level my characters and farm matz they should just give them to me. We should all have the same stats same gear and no one should be able to make their own prices, god anything but that.

Millenials make me sick, oh give me this give me that, you are not entitled to anything you didnt work for. So thanks for whinning and shut up

There's no possible way you could sound more like you're 137 years old.

Jaronking · September 2016

Articulemort wrote: »

Jaronking wrote: »

Hey @ZOS_GinaBruno @ZOS_BrianWheeler @ZOS_RichLambert You want everyone to love you guys and get good press male gold mats be allowed to be bought with AP but not traded in guild store so it doesn't affect the market.

If you think being able to buy them with AP and don't trade them won't affect the market shows you clearly know absolutely nothing about the in game market.

Being able to buy gold mats for AP means less players buying gold mats = price of mats doing down.

Supply and demand, same supply less demand, price drop.

The amount of time require to obtain AP, you could probably just go farm for once in your life and acquire you own gold mats. Imagine that. Stop being so lazy and want everything handed to you. You aren't entitled to gold mats, you want BiS gear, go farm it.

Lmao dude you don't know how much AP I have man.If I could buy it with AP I would never need to farm again.

When I said not affecting the market I ment in it going up should had clarified my apologies More ways to gain gold mats of course the price will go down that was self explanatory but hey.

Dude I farm for my BIS gear I farm Vet maelstrom every dam day trying to get a sharpened 2h,ask @Ron_Burgundy_79 am in their every dam day 2-3 runs a day.I also PVP farm players every dam day part of the game I enjoy PVP.I also run dungeons and currently farming lore books and getting unduanted on 2 characters as a PVP players its not fun.I farm for my dam gear sir and farmed enough mats to get crap out of it.The lowered the drop rates on getting gold mats after the survey exploit so its even harder to get them.I have refined a 1000 of each and barely got 2-3 before.Come on man don't call me a lazy kid because am dam sure you don't know my life or what I done.

Please explain how asking for gold mats to be bought with AP is entitlement when I still have to farm AP?Remember @ZOS_RichLambert said people only make 10k AP a day so its very hard to get.Farming plants won't get me my BIS gear actually doing content will.

AverageJo3Gam3r · September 2016

Also, the writ changes effected the supply. With writs requiring v16 mats, many people stopped doing writs. I used to get 2-3 TAs a week from writs alone, but no longer. Looking forward to 1T when v16 mats will be more abundant and I can afford to to writs again.

FloppyTouch · September 2016

Shad0wfire99 wrote: »

GDOFWR420 wrote: »

Omg plz give me everthing i need to win and be the best at this game, i mean why should i have to grind and level my characters and farm matz they should just give them to me. We should all have the same stats same gear and no one should be able to make their own prices, god anything but that.

Millenials make me sick, oh give me this give me that, you are not entitled to anything you didnt work for. So thanks for whinning and shut up

There's no possible way you could sound more like you're 137 years old.

i would think around 30-35 years old based off the forum name and thinks he is an adult

GDOFWR420 · September 2016

Shad0wfire99 wrote: »

GDOFWR420 wrote: »

Omg plz give me everthing i need to win and be the best at this game, i mean why should i have to grind and level my characters and farm matz they should just give them to me. We should all have the same stats same gear and no one should be able to make their own prices, god anything but that.

Millenials make me sick, oh give me this give me that, you are not entitled to anything you didnt work for. So thanks for whinning and shut up

There's no possible way you could sound more like you're 137 years old.

32 to be exact and i worked for all i have i didnt cry and whine and ask to have everything handed to me like you crybabys of today. So just keep sucking your thumbs. Biggest bunch of babys the world has ever seen.

Articulemort · September 2016

Jaronking wrote: »

Articulemort wrote: »

Jaronking wrote: »

Hey @ZOS_GinaBruno @ZOS_BrianWheeler @ZOS_RichLambert You want everyone to love you guys and get good press male gold mats be allowed to be bought with AP but not traded in guild store so it doesn't affect the market.

If you think being able to buy them with AP and don't trade them won't affect the market shows you clearly know absolutely nothing about the in game market.

Being able to buy gold mats for AP means less players buying gold mats = price of mats doing down.

Supply and demand, same supply less demand, price drop.

The amount of time require to obtain AP, you could probably just go farm for once in your life and acquire you own gold mats. Imagine that. Stop being so lazy and want everything handed to you. You aren't entitled to gold mats, you want BiS gear, go farm it.

Lmao dude you don't know how much AP I have man.If I could buy it with AP I would never need to farm again.

When I said not affecting the market I ment in it going up should had clarified my apologies More ways to gain gold mats of course the price will go down that was self explanatory but hey.

Dude I farm for my BIS gear I farm Vet maelstrom every dam day trying to get a sharpened 2h,ask @Ron_Burgundy_79 am in their every dam day 2-3 runs a day.I also PVP farm players every dam day part of the game I enjoy PVP.I also run dungeons and currently farming lore books and getting unduanted on 2 characters as a PVP players its not fun.I farm for my dam gear sir and farmed enough mats to get crap out of it.The lowered the drop rates on getting gold mats after the survey exploit so its even harder to get them.I have refined a 1000 of each and barely got 2-3 before.Come on man don't call me a lazy kid because am dam sure you don't know my life or what I done.

Please explain how asking for gold mats to be bought with AP is entitlement when I still have to farm AP?Remember @ZOS_RichLambert said people only make 10k AP a day so its very hard to get.Farming plants won't get me my BIS gear actually doing content will.

Haha, if you have played this much, done everything you've said, farmed all that crap, you shouldnt be in a situation where gold is an issue....

If you want ZOS to destroy the economy by taking the easily number 1 highest selling item and tanking it then have at it, you think the economy sucks now....

And I have no idea what you mean by nerfing the drop rate, I still have and always have gotten 1 - 2 gold mats per stack. Always. Sometimes the rng hates me and I don't get one for 3 stacks then the next stack will give me 4. It always works out to 1-2 per stack. Go farm your mats and quit whining.

Once my game patches I'll even go find you temp alloys for less then 20k.

And frankly your asking for an extremely easy way to gain what should be one of the hardest item to obtain. You can easily gain 20k+ AP just by standing around casting regen or healing springs. And you want to be able to obtain gold mats doing that? ZOS might as well just hand every player who enters pvp a stack of each. You want gold mats, go farm. It literally couldn't be simpler. Don't want farm, then pay the going rate.

bee_tiswasnot · September 2016

Roogen wrote: »

The trader are being controlled by a small group of players and is getting ridiculous. You even hear them talking in game chat that their buying all mats, you just go to them, trade and say the price. All day in Stormhaven just buying everything they can get their hands on. As soon as mondays rolls through priced get jacked even higher. The entire player base should be running the economy, not 1-2 guilds.

Is not only mats either, this weekend alone Agility Robust rings went up from 35-40k each to 120k minimum. Viper weapons are 350k minimum on sharpened and the shields on any traits can't find anything less than 500k. This kills any new player that gets to 160CP and wants to try out builds. Not everyone can farm for countless hours to get a few items they need, some people just don't got the time. Trader is their for that same reason.

It is a game, and it is being gamed, which is human nature, I guess. Trouble is that the Guild system is creaky now, and the price of entry for a street spot is so high, and places are so limited that it was only a matter of time before this ploy occurred to someone. The history of monopolies always is boom followed by bust, though.

Amazing it took so long in a way, what with the millennials being so keen on getting everything for nothing and the crumblies so interested in destroying the world, makes me wonder how we get by (-:

If mats like columbine (the new Namira's Rot) weren't so rare in the wild, it would implode the situation overnight, but this wouldn't fix the situation with potent runes, which do need to be scarce, or everyone would have three dozen.

One solution to market cornering would be to really free up store spots, so that you could find traders at every crossroads, which would make it very hard to create a monopoly, at the price of making it harder to find stuff, because so much shopping around had to be done. This solution would be tough on players who have day jobs, mothers looking after kids and anyone who doesn't have lots of time on their hands.

Another solution would be to let players use the merchants that stand so uselessly in every town to sell their goods without going through a guild, which would make visiting the population centres more interesting and would at least double the amount of trading spots without playing straight into the hands of the less scrupulous guilds. If you could only sell goods through the appropriate merchant, it would make it easier to find what you wanted, and it would set up a potent brake on inflation in guild sales, although it would, of course, still be possible for profiteers to buy scarce mats and then resell them at a higher price.

A final, ground zero solution, which would kill the whole monopoly thing stone dead, would be to make it impossible to sell on mats more than once (bind on buy), unless they were used to build a piece of kit, and to make it impossible to sell on, or to list a piece of kit if you didn't either make it, or improve it. This would have some pros and cons, I am sure someone will be able to think of them all. Just don't get back into the young/old thing, or I will have no alternative but to use this thread as a teaching aid for my forensic psychology students (-: