Bouldercleave wrote: »PurifedBladez wrote: »UltimaJoe777 wrote: »PurifedBladez wrote: »You guys are acting like a 10k gold sink has any effect on how terrible the xbox NA economy is.
That economy is so messed up I'd hope for the respec to be free.
Which would make it worse.
Oh yeah it'd be so much worse.. lol
..it wouldnt.
Actually Joe is 100% correct. Leaving all the current respec money in the economy would make inflation way worse.
Bouldercleave wrote: »PurifedBladez wrote: »UltimaJoe777 wrote: »PurifedBladez wrote: »You guys are acting like a 10k gold sink has any effect on how terrible the xbox NA economy is.
That economy is so messed up I'd hope for the respec to be free.
Which would make it worse.
Oh yeah it'd be so much worse.. lol
..it wouldnt.
Actually Joe is 100% correct. Leaving all the current respec money in the economy would make inflation way worse.
UltimaJoe777 wrote: »Bouldercleave wrote: »PurifedBladez wrote: »UltimaJoe777 wrote: »PurifedBladez wrote: »You guys are acting like a 10k gold sink has any effect on how terrible the xbox NA economy is.
That economy is so messed up I'd hope for the respec to be free.
Which would make it worse.
Oh yeah it'd be so much worse.. lol
..it wouldnt.
Actually Joe is 100% correct. Leaving all the current respec money in the economy would make inflation way worse.
And the reason: People WILL charge outrageously if they KNOW people CAN afford it.
PurifedBladez wrote: »Bouldercleave wrote: »PurifedBladez wrote: »UltimaJoe777 wrote: »PurifedBladez wrote: »You guys are acting like a 10k gold sink has any effect on how terrible the xbox NA economy is.
That economy is so messed up I'd hope for the respec to be free.
Which would make it worse.
Oh yeah it'd be so much worse.. lol
..it wouldnt.
Actually Joe is 100% correct. Leaving all the current respec money in the economy would make inflation way worse.
There would have to be a literal *** ton of people who respec daily for it to matter if they made it costless. As it stands they dont.
It's just really doesn't play as big a part in the economy as you guys think.
PurifedBladez wrote: »UltimaJoe777 wrote: »Bouldercleave wrote: »PurifedBladez wrote: »UltimaJoe777 wrote: »PurifedBladez wrote: »You guys are acting like a 10k gold sink has any effect on how terrible the xbox NA economy is.
That economy is so messed up I'd hope for the respec to be free.
Which would make it worse.
Oh yeah it'd be so much worse.. lol
..it wouldnt.
Actually Joe is 100% correct. Leaving all the current respec money in the economy would make inflation way worse.
And the reason: People WILL charge outrageously if they KNOW people CAN afford it.
So the price on tempers is gonna go way up because respec doesn't cost anything anymore.. no lol.
Morgha_Kul wrote: »s7732425ub17_ESO wrote: »10k gold to respec your entire character is like no money at all. It's already super cheap and doesn't need to be cheaper. For something you rarely have to do, the cost is fine.
Cheap depends on who you are, and where you are in your progression.
My character has about 4k gold, TOTAL. I've been adventuring in Wrothgar for the last 3 months, my gold total has gone DOWN, because nothing is ever worth any gold, it's all 0 value.
SO, with no income, there is not and never will be (at this rate) any way for me to respec.
Some people seem to think gold is easy to come by. My experience of the game says otherwise, and emphatically.
The bottom line is that there must be sufficient gold sinks in the game to keep the economy in line, otherwise you see a messed up economy with crazy inflation. The respec cost is one gold sink, and there aren't very many of them in ESO (not enough actually). Unfortunately, every time there's any gold sink there will be people who complain about it: either because they don't realize that gold sinks are needed, or because they think that it's OK if this particular gold sink is removed.PurifedBladez wrote: »Bouldercleave wrote: »PurifedBladez wrote: »UltimaJoe777 wrote: »PurifedBladez wrote: »You guys are acting like a 10k gold sink has any effect on how terrible the xbox NA economy is.
That economy is so messed up I'd hope for the respec to be free.
Which would make it worse.
Oh yeah it'd be so much worse.. lol
..it wouldnt.
Actually Joe is 100% correct. Leaving all the current respec money in the economy would make inflation way worse.
There would have to be a literal *** ton of people who respec daily for it to matter if they made it costless. As it stands they dont.
It's just really doesn't play as big a part in the economy as you guys think.
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PurifedBladez wrote: »Bouldercleave wrote: »PurifedBladez wrote: »UltimaJoe777 wrote: »PurifedBladez wrote: »You guys are acting like a 10k gold sink has any effect on how terrible the xbox NA economy is.
That economy is so messed up I'd hope for the respec to be free.
Which would make it worse.
Oh yeah it'd be so much worse.. lol
..it wouldnt.
Actually Joe is 100% correct. Leaving all the current respec money in the economy would make inflation way worse.
There would have to be a literal *** ton of people who respec daily for it to matter if they made it costless. As it stands they dont.
It's just really doesn't play as big a part in the economy as you guys think.
And most importantly, the people who respec frequently tend to be the people who min/max their builds for whatever reason (whether it be to PVP, to do trials, to do MSA, whatever). That's the same market segment that's most likely to buy gear and tempers in guild stores (because they want to min/max their gear too). If they've got more money to spend, then the prices that people can charge for those things goes up.Bouldercleave wrote: »PurifedBladez wrote: »Bouldercleave wrote: »PurifedBladez wrote: »UltimaJoe777 wrote: »PurifedBladez wrote: »You guys are acting like a 10k gold sink has any effect on how terrible the xbox NA economy is.
That economy is so messed up I'd hope for the respec to be free.
Which would make it worse.
Oh yeah it'd be so much worse.. lol
..it wouldnt.
Actually Joe is 100% correct. Leaving all the current respec money in the economy would make inflation way worse.
There would have to be a literal *** ton of people who respec daily for it to matter if they made it costless. As it stands they dont.
It's just really doesn't play as big a part in the economy as you guys think.
Based on what? I see and know of tons of people that respec quite often. It is a much bigger part of the economy than you think.
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PurifedBladez wrote: »Those people that are min/maxing are respeccing often like you guys say but how much of the community is that really.. 5%? Lol.
In all seriousness the real problem here is a lack of gold sinks. From my perspective on xbox NA the economy is already trashed and I really wouldn't care or feel it would change much to have a free respec system on there.
When I made my original post maybe I was being a little ridiculous but, you have to understand that my main economy is ridiculous in itself. I've given up hope.
AverageJo3Gam3r wrote: »The issue isn't the 10k respec cost, it's the 80-180k it takes to gold out new weapons to try out a new build.
Deathgiggle wrote: »100k is nothing in this game and I've only been playing a few months now. In that time I've banked up 2 million gold just by selling stuff that has dropped or things I farmed while leveling. A 10k respec is about 12 Columbine on the PS4 server. I sometimes go hunting Columbine and can find a dozen in about 10 minutes plus a lot of other harvestables along the way. You can make 80k-100k an hour if you do nothing but run around picking herbs and mining nodes. Don't stop for anything else just harvest and run to the next one......repeat. Do some farm runs, I see groups putting them together all the time. There are motifs and stuff that sell for insane amounts of money. I did a World Boss the other day that dropped a motif and guild told me it was worth about 5-7k. I listed it for 9k on the trader thinking if it didn't sell I'd lower the price after 24 hours. About 2 hours later I got the email saying it had sold. Easy money just for doing a boss that took a few minutes. They got stacks of leather and other goods that sell for 15-20k a stack.
Gold is everywhere in this game, I see people just run by harvesting nodes and never give them another thought. I sell green recipes for 500 gold each and I've never had a single one that didn't sell yet. Someone always buys them and I find several a day. I just recently got into stealing stuff while doing the Thieves Guild quests and the money from that is like WHAT!!! Seriously the second day i got a purple from a pickpocket that was 1500 gold. Yesterday I fenced 10k gold worth of items I stole alone.
I understand your frustration but honestly gold is at every turn, you just got to get you some
Judas Helviaryn wrote: »Don't incorporate bugs into your builds, and you won't have [an] issue.
I don't know how that is even possible. 1 hour of casual farming in Wrothgar nets me 20k. What are you even doing in Wrothgar?Morgha_Kul wrote: »Cheap depends on who you are, and where you are in your progression.
My character has about 4k gold, TOTAL. I've been adventuring in Wrothgar for the last 3 months, my gold total has gone DOWN, because nothing is ever worth any gold, it's all 0 value.
SO, with no income, there is not and never will be (at this rate) any way for me to respec.
Some people seem to think gold is easy to come by. My experience of the game says otherwise, and emphatically.
Deathgiggle wrote: »100k is nothing in this game and I've only been playing a few months now. In that time I've banked up 2 million gold just by selling stuff that has dropped or things I farmed while leveling. A 10k respec is about 12 Columbine on the PS4 server. I sometimes go hunting Columbine and can find a dozen in about 10 minutes plus a lot of other harvestables along the way. You can make 80k-100k an hour if you do nothing but run around picking herbs and mining nodes. Don't stop for anything else just harvest and run to the next one......repeat. Do some farm runs, I see groups putting them together all the time. There are motifs and stuff that sell for insane amounts of money. I did a World Boss the other day that dropped a motif and guild told me it was worth about 5-7k. I listed it for 9k on the trader thinking if it didn't sell I'd lower the price after 24 hours. About 2 hours later I got the email saying it had sold. Easy money just for doing a boss that took a few minutes. They got stacks of leather and other goods that sell for 15-20k a stack.
Gold is everywhere in this game, I see people just run by harvesting nodes and never give them another thought. I sell green recipes for 500 gold each and I've never had a single one that didn't sell yet. Someone always buys them and I find several a day. I just recently got into stealing stuff while doing the Thieves Guild quests and the money from that is like WHAT!!! Seriously the second day i got a purple from a pickpocket that was 1500 gold. Yesterday I fenced 10k gold worth of items I stole alone.
I understand your frustration but honestly gold is at every turn, you just got to get you some
Sure, I used to sell lots of stuff and made a lot of gold when I started...
Then I started to actually buy stuff.
I don't know how that is even possible. 1 hour of casual farming in Wrothgar nets me 20k. What are you even doing in Wrothgar?Morgha_Kul wrote: »Cheap depends on who you are, and where you are in your progression.
My character has about 4k gold, TOTAL. I've been adventuring in Wrothgar for the last 3 months, my gold total has gone DOWN, because nothing is ever worth any gold, it's all 0 value.
SO, with no income, there is not and never will be (at this rate) any way for me to respec.
Some people seem to think gold is easy to come by. My experience of the game says otherwise, and emphatically.
Bouldercleave wrote: »Deathgiggle wrote: »100k is nothing in this game and I've only been playing a few months now. In that time I've banked up 2 million gold just by selling stuff that has dropped or things I farmed while leveling. A 10k respec is about 12 Columbine on the PS4 server. I sometimes go hunting Columbine and can find a dozen in about 10 minutes plus a lot of other harvestables along the way. You can make 80k-100k an hour if you do nothing but run around picking herbs and mining nodes. Don't stop for anything else just harvest and run to the next one......repeat. Do some farm runs, I see groups putting them together all the time. There are motifs and stuff that sell for insane amounts of money. I did a World Boss the other day that dropped a motif and guild told me it was worth about 5-7k. I listed it for 9k on the trader thinking if it didn't sell I'd lower the price after 24 hours. About 2 hours later I got the email saying it had sold. Easy money just for doing a boss that took a few minutes. They got stacks of leather and other goods that sell for 15-20k a stack.
Gold is everywhere in this game, I see people just run by harvesting nodes and never give them another thought. I sell green recipes for 500 gold each and I've never had a single one that didn't sell yet. Someone always buys them and I find several a day. I just recently got into stealing stuff while doing the Thieves Guild quests and the money from that is like WHAT!!! Seriously the second day i got a purple from a pickpocket that was 1500 gold. Yesterday I fenced 10k gold worth of items I stole alone.
I understand your frustration but honestly gold is at every turn, you just got to get you some
Sure, I used to sell lots of stuff and made a lot of gold when I started...
Then I started to actually buy stuff.
Kinda just like life - If you don't have enough coin for what you want to do, go get more coin.
A 10 k respec is nothing.
Judas Helviaryn wrote: »Don't incorporate bugs into your builds, and you won't have [an] issue.
Can there be a decrease in prices? Right now if I want to respec skills, attributes and CP I have to shell out close to 10,000 gold roughly (sorry don't have the exact value off the top of my head) That's insane to me. I suppose it's my own fault for not having a plan in mind for my character but it would be nice to see a decrease in price because currently it's insane and I don't have the gold for it lol
Game needs gold sinks. Inflation is already an issue.
Morgha_Kul wrote: »s7732425ub17_ESO wrote: »10k gold to respec your entire character is like no money at all. It's already super cheap and doesn't need to be cheaper. For something you rarely have to do, the cost is fine.
Cheap depends on who you are, and where you are in your progression.
My character has about 4k gold, TOTAL. I've been adventuring in Wrothgar for the last 3 months, my gold total has gone DOWN, because nothing is ever worth any gold, it's all 0 value.
SO, with no income, there is not and never will be (at this rate) any way for me to respec.
Some people seem to think gold is easy to come by. My experience of the game says otherwise, and emphatically.
Morgha_Kul wrote: »s7732425ub17_ESO wrote: »10k gold to respec your entire character is like no money at all. It's already super cheap and doesn't need to be cheaper. For something you rarely have to do, the cost is fine.
Cheap depends on who you are, and where you are in your progression.
My character has about 4k gold, TOTAL. I've been adventuring in Wrothgar for the last 3 months, my gold total has gone DOWN, because nothing is ever worth any gold, it's all 0 value.
SO, with no income, there is not and never will be (at this rate) any way for me to respec.
Some people seem to think gold is easy to come by. My experience of the game says otherwise, and emphatically.
You need to join a trade guild. Break down the armor that's worth 0 gold. Sell the materials to other players not the npcs. Sell the tempers you get from breaking stuff down as well. Hell I sell small stacks of apples for a few hundred gold too.