Dropping gold prices for respec

  • UltimaJoe777
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    You guys are acting like a 10k gold sink has any effect on how terrible the xbox NA economy is.

    That economy is so messed up I'd hope for the respec to be free.

    Which would make it worse.

    Oh yeah it'd be so much worse.. lol

    ..it wouldnt.

    Actually Joe is 100% correct. Leaving all the current respec money in the economy would make inflation way worse.

    And the reason: People WILL charge outrageously if they KNOW people CAN afford it.
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  • PurifedBladez
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    You guys are acting like a 10k gold sink has any effect on how terrible the xbox NA economy is.

    That economy is so messed up I'd hope for the respec to be free.

    Which would make it worse.

    Oh yeah it'd be so much worse.. lol

    ..it wouldnt.

    Actually Joe is 100% correct. Leaving all the current respec money in the economy would make inflation way worse.

    There would have to be a literal *** ton of people who respec daily for it to matter if they made it costless. As it stands they dont.

    It's just really doesn't play as big a part in the economy as you guys think.
    Edited by PurifedBladez on September 12, 2016 7:47PM
  • PurifedBladez
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    You guys are acting like a 10k gold sink has any effect on how terrible the xbox NA economy is.

    That economy is so messed up I'd hope for the respec to be free.

    Which would make it worse.

    Oh yeah it'd be so much worse.. lol

    ..it wouldnt.

    Actually Joe is 100% correct. Leaving all the current respec money in the economy would make inflation way worse.

    And the reason: People WILL charge outrageously if they KNOW people CAN afford it.

    So the price on tempers is gonna go way up because respec doesn't cost anything anymore.. no lol.

    The economy is not dependent on the respec system.


    Does it make sense to you that if the respec system was free people would all of a sudden be able to afford tempers at their current price..? No, because who honestly respecs that much? It's just not that important.
    Edited by PurifedBladez on September 12, 2016 7:54PM
  • AntMan100673
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    In the grand scheme of things it doesn't really cost that much but it costs enough to stop you just doing it on a whim.

    If you just want a few extra skills then go get a few more skill points however you see fit.

    If you need to do a respec then just suck up the gold loss as an expensive lesson in planning your build.
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  • UltimaJoe777
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    You guys are acting like a 10k gold sink has any effect on how terrible the xbox NA economy is.

    That economy is so messed up I'd hope for the respec to be free.

    Which would make it worse.

    Oh yeah it'd be so much worse.. lol

    ..it wouldnt.

    Actually Joe is 100% correct. Leaving all the current respec money in the economy would make inflation way worse.

    There would have to be a literal *** ton of people who respec daily for it to matter if they made it costless. As it stands they dont.

    It's just really doesn't play as big a part in the economy as you guys think.

    The crowds always standing at the shrines say otherwise lol and there are people who have openly stated they swap builds constantly, which requires respec.
    You guys are acting like a 10k gold sink has any effect on how terrible the xbox NA economy is.

    That economy is so messed up I'd hope for the respec to be free.

    Which would make it worse.

    Oh yeah it'd be so much worse.. lol

    ..it wouldnt.

    Actually Joe is 100% correct. Leaving all the current respec money in the economy would make inflation way worse.

    And the reason: People WILL charge outrageously if they KNOW people CAN afford it.

    So the price on tempers is gonna go way up because respec doesn't cost anything anymore.. no lol.

    It goes up because one of the biggest gold sinks in the game is no more. That means there is MUCH more gold to go around. Everybody knows ESO players take advantage of everything they can without hesitation...
    Edited by UltimaJoe777 on September 12, 2016 7:50PM
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  • kidwgm
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    Morgha_Kul wrote: »
    10k gold to respec your entire character is like no money at all. It's already super cheap and doesn't need to be cheaper. For something you rarely have to do, the cost is fine.

    Cheap depends on who you are, and where you are in your progression.

    My character has about 4k gold, TOTAL. I've been adventuring in Wrothgar for the last 3 months, my gold total has gone DOWN, because nothing is ever worth any gold, it's all 0 value.

    SO, with no income, there is not and never will be (at this rate) any way for me to respec.

    Some people seem to think gold is easy to come by. My experience of the game says otherwise, and emphatically.

    You are doing something very wrong. I can spend an hour in Wrothgar and make 12-15k.
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  • UrQuan
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    You guys are acting like a 10k gold sink has any effect on how terrible the xbox NA economy is.

    That economy is so messed up I'd hope for the respec to be free.

    Which would make it worse.

    Oh yeah it'd be so much worse.. lol

    ..it wouldnt.

    Actually Joe is 100% correct. Leaving all the current respec money in the economy would make inflation way worse.

    There would have to be a literal *** ton of people who respec daily for it to matter if they made it costless. As it stands they dont.

    It's just really doesn't play as big a part in the economy as you guys think.
    The bottom line is that there must be sufficient gold sinks in the game to keep the economy in line, otherwise you see a messed up economy with crazy inflation. The respec cost is one gold sink, and there aren't very many of them in ESO (not enough actually). Unfortunately, every time there's any gold sink there will be people who complain about it: either because they don't realize that gold sinks are needed, or because they think that it's OK if this particular gold sink is removed.

    The last thing that's needed is for any gold sink in ESO to be removed or reduced. What is actually needed is for there to be more things that people can buy with gold.
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  • Bouldercleave
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    You guys are acting like a 10k gold sink has any effect on how terrible the xbox NA economy is.

    That economy is so messed up I'd hope for the respec to be free.

    Which would make it worse.

    Oh yeah it'd be so much worse.. lol

    ..it wouldnt.

    Actually Joe is 100% correct. Leaving all the current respec money in the economy would make inflation way worse.

    There would have to be a literal *** ton of people who respec daily for it to matter if they made it costless. As it stands they dont.

    It's just really doesn't play as big a part in the economy as you guys think.

    Based on what? I see and know of tons of people that respec quite often. It is a much bigger part of the economy than you think.
  • UrQuan
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    You guys are acting like a 10k gold sink has any effect on how terrible the xbox NA economy is.

    That economy is so messed up I'd hope for the respec to be free.

    Which would make it worse.

    Oh yeah it'd be so much worse.. lol

    ..it wouldnt.

    Actually Joe is 100% correct. Leaving all the current respec money in the economy would make inflation way worse.

    There would have to be a literal *** ton of people who respec daily for it to matter if they made it costless. As it stands they dont.

    It's just really doesn't play as big a part in the economy as you guys think.

    Based on what? I see and know of tons of people that respec quite often. It is a much bigger part of the economy than you think.
    And most importantly, the people who respec frequently tend to be the people who min/max their builds for whatever reason (whether it be to PVP, to do trials, to do MSA, whatever). That's the same market segment that's most likely to buy gear and tempers in guild stores (because they want to min/max their gear too). If they've got more money to spend, then the prices that people can charge for those things goes up.
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  • PurifedBladez
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    Those people that are min/maxing are respeccing often like you guys say but how much of the community is that really.. 5%? Lol.

    In all seriousness the real problem here is a lack of gold sinks. From my perspective on xbox NA the economy is already trashed and I really wouldn't care or feel it would change much to have a free respec system on there.

    When I made my original post maybe I was being a little ridiculous but, you have to understand that my main economy is ridiculous in itself. I've given up hope.
    Edited by PurifedBladez on September 12, 2016 8:10PM
  • UltimaJoe777
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    Those people that are min/maxing are respeccing often like you guys say but how much of the community is that really.. 5%? Lol.

    In all seriousness the real problem here is a lack of gold sinks. From my perspective on xbox NA the economy is already trashed and I really wouldn't care or feel it would change much to have a free respec system on there.

    When I made my original post maybe I was being a little ridiculous but, you have to understand that my main economy is ridiculous in itself. I've given up hope.

    On one side you make an interesting point, and I'm sure some would be interested in hearing what you have in mind for gold sinks. On the other hand, suggesting MORE gold sinks can either contradict your stance on reducing the cost of respecs or indicate using your idea to REPLACE respeccing as a gold sink.

    Either way I don't see respecs getting cheaper on a permanent basis lol

    P.S. Even a small portion of the community respeccing very often serves as a considerable gold sink to the overall gold total in the server.
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  • QuebraRegra
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    Nestor wrote: »
    Meri20098 wrote: »
    I have to shell out close to 10,000 gold roughly (sorry don't have the exact value off the top of my head) That's insane to me.

    30 minutes or less of Legerdemain Activities and you will have enough gold.

    You can get even better profit with DB... Pickpocket, then assassinate the target and double dip on the rewards.
  • benjamino613
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    I find this discussion slightly confusing. Even as a new player with comparatively less gold i find the cost of a respec a very small dent in the wallet. My respec doesnt cost 10k but even if it did then doing it here and there would not hurt at all. Something is wrong if a cp lvl player finds 10k hard to come by.
  • AverageJo3Gam3r
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    The issue isn't the 10k respec cost, it's the 80-180k it takes to gold out new weapons to try out a new build.
  • BrianDavion
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    I used to play SWTOR. shortly after patch 3.0 came out they removed the cost of leveling skill (respeccing was already free for subscribers) inflation in the game, already getting pretty bad, SKYROCKETED.

    Money sinks are important. heck IMHO ZOS should put an acheivement with a dye color and title in for buying all the mounts avaliable from the stablemaster. they do that and that's a sizeable chunk of money taken out of the economy.
  • Deathgiggle
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    100k is nothing in this game and I've only been playing a few months now. In that time I've banked up 2 million gold just by selling stuff that has dropped or things I farmed while leveling. A 10k respec is about 12 Columbine on the PS4 server. I sometimes go hunting Columbine and can find a dozen in about 10 minutes plus a lot of other harvestables along the way. You can make 80k-100k an hour if you do nothing but run around picking herbs and mining nodes. Don't stop for anything else just harvest and run to the next one......repeat. Do some farm runs, I see groups putting them together all the time. There are motifs and stuff that sell for insane amounts of money. I did a World Boss the other day that dropped a motif and guild told me it was worth about 5-7k. I listed it for 9k on the trader thinking if it didn't sell I'd lower the price after 24 hours. About 2 hours later I got the email saying it had sold. Easy money just for doing a boss that took a few minutes. They got stacks of leather and other goods that sell for 15-20k a stack.

    Gold is everywhere in this game, I see people just run by harvesting nodes and never give them another thought. I sell green recipes for 500 gold each and I've never had a single one that didn't sell yet. Someone always buys them and I find several a day. I just recently got into stealing stuff while doing the Thieves Guild quests and the money from that is like WHAT!!! Seriously the second day i got a purple from a pickpocket that was 1500 gold. Yesterday I fenced 10k gold worth of items I stole alone.

    I understand your frustration but honestly gold is at every turn, you just got to get you some :)
  • benjamino613
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    The issue isn't the 10k respec cost, it's the 80-180k it takes to gold out new weapons to try out a new build.

    But thats got nothing to do with the respec cost the OP was talking about has it? Besides, gold gear costs a lot of money yes, thats the point isnt it?
  • Alpheu5
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    100k is nothing in this game and I've only been playing a few months now. In that time I've banked up 2 million gold just by selling stuff that has dropped or things I farmed while leveling. A 10k respec is about 12 Columbine on the PS4 server. I sometimes go hunting Columbine and can find a dozen in about 10 minutes plus a lot of other harvestables along the way. You can make 80k-100k an hour if you do nothing but run around picking herbs and mining nodes. Don't stop for anything else just harvest and run to the next one......repeat. Do some farm runs, I see groups putting them together all the time. There are motifs and stuff that sell for insane amounts of money. I did a World Boss the other day that dropped a motif and guild told me it was worth about 5-7k. I listed it for 9k on the trader thinking if it didn't sell I'd lower the price after 24 hours. About 2 hours later I got the email saying it had sold. Easy money just for doing a boss that took a few minutes. They got stacks of leather and other goods that sell for 15-20k a stack.

    Gold is everywhere in this game, I see people just run by harvesting nodes and never give them another thought. I sell green recipes for 500 gold each and I've never had a single one that didn't sell yet. Someone always buys them and I find several a day. I just recently got into stealing stuff while doing the Thieves Guild quests and the money from that is like WHAT!!! Seriously the second day i got a purple from a pickpocket that was 1500 gold. Yesterday I fenced 10k gold worth of items I stole alone.

    I understand your frustration but honestly gold is at every turn, you just got to get you some :)

    Sure, I used to sell lots of stuff and made a lot of gold when I started...

    Then I started to actually buy stuff.
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  • scorpiodog
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    You can get 10K gold in just a few hours. That's just gold from drops and quest lines, not even counting the items / mats you can sell in your guild store.


  • Acsvf
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    Morgha_Kul wrote: »
    Cheap depends on who you are, and where you are in your progression.

    My character has about 4k gold, TOTAL. I've been adventuring in Wrothgar for the last 3 months, my gold total has gone DOWN, because nothing is ever worth any gold, it's all 0 value.

    SO, with no income, there is not and never will be (at this rate) any way for me to respec.

    Some people seem to think gold is easy to come by. My experience of the game says otherwise, and emphatically.
    I don't know how that is even possible. 1 hour of casual farming in Wrothgar nets me 20k. What are you even doing in Wrothgar?
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  • Bouldercleave
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    Alpheu5 wrote: »
    100k is nothing in this game and I've only been playing a few months now. In that time I've banked up 2 million gold just by selling stuff that has dropped or things I farmed while leveling. A 10k respec is about 12 Columbine on the PS4 server. I sometimes go hunting Columbine and can find a dozen in about 10 minutes plus a lot of other harvestables along the way. You can make 80k-100k an hour if you do nothing but run around picking herbs and mining nodes. Don't stop for anything else just harvest and run to the next one......repeat. Do some farm runs, I see groups putting them together all the time. There are motifs and stuff that sell for insane amounts of money. I did a World Boss the other day that dropped a motif and guild told me it was worth about 5-7k. I listed it for 9k on the trader thinking if it didn't sell I'd lower the price after 24 hours. About 2 hours later I got the email saying it had sold. Easy money just for doing a boss that took a few minutes. They got stacks of leather and other goods that sell for 15-20k a stack.

    Gold is everywhere in this game, I see people just run by harvesting nodes and never give them another thought. I sell green recipes for 500 gold each and I've never had a single one that didn't sell yet. Someone always buys them and I find several a day. I just recently got into stealing stuff while doing the Thieves Guild quests and the money from that is like WHAT!!! Seriously the second day i got a purple from a pickpocket that was 1500 gold. Yesterday I fenced 10k gold worth of items I stole alone.

    I understand your frustration but honestly gold is at every turn, you just got to get you some :)

    Sure, I used to sell lots of stuff and made a lot of gold when I started...

    Then I started to actually buy stuff.

    Kinda just like life - If you don't have enough coin for what you want to do, go get more coin.

    A 10 k respec is nothing.
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    Personally, I care not about the gold cost. I would just like a smarter way of respecing. Something like how Champion Point respecs work. Flat fee(could still be based on total number of skill points one has) and I can remove or add skills as I like, 'till I hit save changes.

    I can't count the number of times where I've had to respec over and over because I accidentally clicked the wrong skill. Yeah, that's not so bad now that I have a ton of skills but when you need to use every skill point you have that mistake sucks.
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  • NovaShadow
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    I remember the days when respecs cost 25-30k+

    10k is nothing.
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  • scorpiodog
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    Acsvf wrote: »
    Morgha_Kul wrote: »
    Cheap depends on who you are, and where you are in your progression.

    My character has about 4k gold, TOTAL. I've been adventuring in Wrothgar for the last 3 months, my gold total has gone DOWN, because nothing is ever worth any gold, it's all 0 value.

    SO, with no income, there is not and never will be (at this rate) any way for me to respec.

    Some people seem to think gold is easy to come by. My experience of the game says otherwise, and emphatically.
    I don't know how that is even possible. 1 hour of casual farming in Wrothgar nets me 20k. What are you even doing in Wrothgar?

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  • Alpheu5
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    Alpheu5 wrote: »
    100k is nothing in this game and I've only been playing a few months now. In that time I've banked up 2 million gold just by selling stuff that has dropped or things I farmed while leveling. A 10k respec is about 12 Columbine on the PS4 server. I sometimes go hunting Columbine and can find a dozen in about 10 minutes plus a lot of other harvestables along the way. You can make 80k-100k an hour if you do nothing but run around picking herbs and mining nodes. Don't stop for anything else just harvest and run to the next one......repeat. Do some farm runs, I see groups putting them together all the time. There are motifs and stuff that sell for insane amounts of money. I did a World Boss the other day that dropped a motif and guild told me it was worth about 5-7k. I listed it for 9k on the trader thinking if it didn't sell I'd lower the price after 24 hours. About 2 hours later I got the email saying it had sold. Easy money just for doing a boss that took a few minutes. They got stacks of leather and other goods that sell for 15-20k a stack.

    Gold is everywhere in this game, I see people just run by harvesting nodes and never give them another thought. I sell green recipes for 500 gold each and I've never had a single one that didn't sell yet. Someone always buys them and I find several a day. I just recently got into stealing stuff while doing the Thieves Guild quests and the money from that is like WHAT!!! Seriously the second day i got a purple from a pickpocket that was 1500 gold. Yesterday I fenced 10k gold worth of items I stole alone.

    I understand your frustration but honestly gold is at every turn, you just got to get you some :)

    Sure, I used to sell lots of stuff and made a lot of gold when I started...

    Then I started to actually buy stuff.

    Kinda just like life - If you don't have enough coin for what you want to do, go get more coin.

    A 10 k respec is nothing.

    I'm not saying 10k is a lot to me. My respecs are over 16k and I'm ok with that because I can budget for it. What I meant is that any Joe Schmo can rake in dough for months and months, but the entire load can easily be blown within 2 minutes.
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  • Destyran
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    Meri20098 wrote: »
    Can there be a decrease in prices? Right now if I want to respec skills, attributes and CP I have to shell out close to 10,000 gold roughly (sorry don't have the exact value off the top of my head) That's insane to me. I suppose it's my own fault for not having a plan in mind for my character but it would be nice to see a decrease in price because currently it's insane and I don't have the gold for it lol

    It costs me like 17k for skills 2.4 k for morphs 3 k fir cp and i donno about attributes. But the point is i have so many skill points i dont ever need to respec. Just go get more!!!
  • Fallen_Ray
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    Heindrich wrote: »
    Game needs gold sinks. Inflation is already an issue.

    The funny thing about gold sinks is they are a big problem for players with little money. They hardly affect the rich players. So what's the point in having them?
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  • sekhem
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    Morgha_Kul wrote: »
    10k gold to respec your entire character is like no money at all. It's already super cheap and doesn't need to be cheaper. For something you rarely have to do, the cost is fine.

    Cheap depends on who you are, and where you are in your progression.

    My character has about 4k gold, TOTAL. I've been adventuring in Wrothgar for the last 3 months, my gold total has gone DOWN, because nothing is ever worth any gold, it's all 0 value.

    SO, with no income, there is not and never will be (at this rate) any way for me to respec.

    Some people seem to think gold is easy to come by. My experience of the game says otherwise, and emphatically.

    You need to join a trade guild. Break down the armor that's worth 0 gold. Sell the materials to other players not the npcs. Sell the tempers you get from breaking stuff down as well. Hell I sell small stacks of apples for a few hundred gold too.
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  • Morgha_Kul
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    sekhem wrote: »
    Morgha_Kul wrote: »
    10k gold to respec your entire character is like no money at all. It's already super cheap and doesn't need to be cheaper. For something you rarely have to do, the cost is fine.

    Cheap depends on who you are, and where you are in your progression.

    My character has about 4k gold, TOTAL. I've been adventuring in Wrothgar for the last 3 months, my gold total has gone DOWN, because nothing is ever worth any gold, it's all 0 value.

    SO, with no income, there is not and never will be (at this rate) any way for me to respec.

    Some people seem to think gold is easy to come by. My experience of the game says otherwise, and emphatically.

    You need to join a trade guild. Break down the armor that's worth 0 gold. Sell the materials to other players not the npcs. Sell the tempers you get from breaking stuff down as well. Hell I sell small stacks of apples for a few hundred gold too.

    0 value gear doesn't produce any materials. That's part of the problem. 90% of everything I loot is 0 value, so it produces no gold, no materials and no xp. That means I can't craft anything to sell for gold, because I can't get xp or materials to do so, which means I have to BUY gear to deconstruct, which means again, NO GOLD.

    It's very frustrating.
    Exploring Tamriel since 1994.
  • ness1
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    10k gold is nothing really, but if that bothers you...well, just wait until next patch (=free respec as usual I assume)
    eroaria, oranessuno (since 2014)

    I have a weird sense of humour, the layers keep on stacking I oftn lose count ...but in truth I love all animals (humans too sometimes) and abhor any form of violence.
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