Sorc Pets should not be toggles

coolermh · September 2016

Please fix this. I shouldn't have to run it on both bars to keep my pet active! This should have been fixed long ago.

laksikus · September 2016

Sorc pets shouldn't get ward

coolermh · September 2016

Yes they should lol! Sorc pets are so weak atm! The only reason to run them is to get the set bonus from Necropotence

juhasman · September 2016

Well pets beeing not toggled could make a problem of sorc beeing too OP. You would be abe to slot pets on overload bar and keep skills on both weapon bars unchanged + have pets. For me pets could be summoned in similar way like nightblade shade - You summon it instantly , he is unkillable and dont require toggle but expires after some period of time.

UrQuan · September 2016

coolermh wrote: »

Please fix this. I shouldn't have to run it on both bars to keep my pet active! This should have been fixed long ago.

So how long do you think they should last before they have to be re-summoned? 30 seconds?

coolermh · September 2016

Until they die

UrQuan · September 2016

coolermh wrote: »

Until they die

Then they have to be toggles.

coolermh · September 2016

Fine make it so when you switch bars they don't disappear

susmitds · September 2016

coolermh wrote: »

Fine make it so when you switch bars they don't disappear

That's OP.

juhasman · September 2016

UrQuan wrote: »

coolermh wrote: »

Until they die

Then they have to be toggles.

Summon shade is good example of pet that does not require toggle. Sorc pets could work similar.

Runs · September 2016

juhasman wrote: »

UrQuan wrote: »

coolermh wrote: »

Until they die

Then they have to be toggles.

Summon shade is good example of pet that does not require toggle. Sorc pets could work similar.

So they should last 12 seconds?

coolermh · September 2016

susmitds wrote: »

coolermh wrote: »

Fine make it so when you switch bars they don't disappear

That's OP.

Really? When is the last time a pet killed you in pvp?

UrQuan · September 2016

juhasman wrote: »

UrQuan wrote: »

coolermh wrote: »

Until they die

Then they have to be toggles.

Summon shade is good example of pet that does not require toggle. Sorc pets could work similar.

Summon Shade is a good example. It lasts 15 seconds. OP wants Sorc pets to last indefinitely and not be a toggle. That's horribly unbalanced. It would be OK for them to not be a toggle if they had a finite duration.

TheShadowScout · September 2016

There have to be -some- drawbacks in having combat pets out. Either they only have limited power and duration (shades) or they cost you a skill slot for the toggle (Sorc pets).
If Soc pets were different, people would put all the pets on the secondary bar, summon them, switch bars, and have all pets AND a full bar of spells - clearly that would be more power then intended.
So...
Nope, keep the sorc pets as they are, and make your choices - pets or spells.

coolermh · September 2016

UrQuan wrote: »

juhasman wrote: »

UrQuan wrote: »

coolermh wrote: »

Until they die

Then they have to be toggles.

Summon shade is good example of pet that does not require toggle. Sorc pets could work similar.

Summon Shade is a good example. It lasts 15 seconds. OP wants Sorc pets to last indefinitely and not be a toggle. That's horribly unbalanced. It would be OK for them to not be a toggle if they had a finite duration.

Explain how its unbalanced? Do you constantly find yourself saying man I would have beat that sorc if his pet didnt kill me? Man that sorc pet build kicked my ass? Sorc Pet builds are so OP!

Maybe if this was an option sorcs would be able to rejoin the meta in pvp even then its unliekly.

I mean I would be cool if the worked similar to the way nb pets worked as long as you take away the cast time.

WuffyCerulei · September 2016

Yall quite insulting my pets. I don't care if I have to double-bar my pet. I have either the Clannfear or the Twilight Matriarch, so instant heals. And the Clannfear makes a good meat shield in PVE and duels.

juhasman · September 2016

Runs wrote: »

juhasman wrote: »

UrQuan wrote: »

coolermh wrote: »

Until they die

Then they have to be toggles.

Summon shade is good example of pet that does not require toggle. Sorc pets could work similar.

So they should last 12 seconds?

Shadow image last over 20 sec. I am not saying about time but about mechanic.

hrothbern · September 2016

ESO Fextra mentions 15 seconds, but that is wrong.
Including the Shadow line passive Dark Veil granting 15% increased duration of shadow abilities,
Summon Shades has a duration of 20.7 seconds.

IF pets become an unkillable duration summon, like Summon Shades,
an instant ability you can block cast, AND an ability that you can ONLY cast when aiming-targetting at an enemy,
it has a huge impact on the game for pet Sorc builds.

both positives as negatives.
A good opinion on that is difficult and certainly TLTR to write down.

Hereby the factual value of 20.7 seconds:
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laksikus · September 2016

coolermh wrote: »

UrQuan wrote: »

juhasman wrote: »

UrQuan wrote: »

coolermh wrote: »

Until they die

Then they have to be toggles.

Summon shade is good example of pet that does not require toggle. Sorc pets could work similar.

Summon Shade is a good example. It lasts 15 seconds. OP wants Sorc pets to last indefinitely and not be a toggle. That's horribly unbalanced. It would be OK for them to not be a toggle if they had a finite duration.

Explain how its unbalanced? Do you constantly find yourself saying man I would have beat that sorc if his pet didnt kill me? Man that sorc pet build kicked my ass? Sorc Pet builds are so OP!

Maybe if this was an option sorcs would be able to rejoin the meta in pvp even then its unliekly.

I mean I would be cool if the worked similar to the way nb pets worked as long as you take away the cast time.

I think you never met a good pet sorc.
Pet sorc is op.

idk · September 2016

juhasman wrote: »

UrQuan wrote: »

coolermh wrote: »

Until they die

Then they have to be toggles.

Summon shade is good example of pet that does not require toggle. Sorc pets could work similar.

Are you suggesting making sorc pets last only 20 seconds? That was the point someone was working towards earlier when he asked how long let summons would last.

If sorc pets last until death then they should be on both bars.

UrQuan · September 2016

coolermh wrote: »

UrQuan wrote: »

juhasman wrote: »

UrQuan wrote: »

coolermh wrote: »

Until they die

Then they have to be toggles.

Summon shade is good example of pet that does not require toggle. Sorc pets could work similar.

Summon Shade is a good example. It lasts 15 seconds. OP wants Sorc pets to last indefinitely and not be a toggle. That's horribly unbalanced. It would be OK for them to not be a toggle if they had a finite duration.

Explain how its unbalanced? Do you constantly find yourself saying man I would have beat that sorc if his pet didnt kill me? Man that sorc pet build kicked my ass? Sorc Pet builds are so OP!

Maybe if this was an option sorcs would be able to rejoin the meta in pvp even then its unliekly.

I mean I would be cool if the worked similar to the way nb pets worked as long as you take away the cast time.

You're asking for it to work the same way as Summon Shade, except you also want it to last indefinitely to be just flat-out better... And you're asking how it's unbalanced? Yeah, troll thread confirmed.

AnviOfVai · September 2016

Summons need a lot of work, they would be much better if they were automatically toggled on one bar though, it is a pain to have a limit on my sorc of 3 attacks on each bar. And summons without ward? are you joking? they are weak as it is, they need to have the shield longer if anything or at least make them stronger! Summons should:

Be stronger
Be able to force attack (or force stop attacking) certain players, or allow them to free roam attack.
Call your summon back to you.

I did have this idea a bit like the phonix set that if your pets are still alive when you die, if you are quick enough you can force one of them to sacrifice their selves for YOU allowing you to revive with half health, half magika ect.

Ward is good on the pets, its fine the way it is.
The monster Helm summon needs also to be stronger. It is so limited compared to the other monster helms and I love using my sorc in PVP.

dodgehopper_ESO · September 2016

UrQuan wrote: »

coolermh wrote: »

Until they die

Then they have to be toggles.

@UrQuan as you may know I've been promoting the notion of Pets and indeed the removal of many toggles for the Sorcerer class for a long time. I agree with you from a balance perspective that the pets should not remain forever. I personally think they should last however long the Nightblade pet lasts, possibly longer since Sorcerer's greater competency is summoning. Beyond that I do think they should time out like every other elder scrolls game played before. I think the cast time on summoning them should also be sped up if they do this, particularly with the charge given on secondary effects.

coolermh · September 2016

UrQuan wrote: »

coolermh wrote: »

UrQuan wrote: »

juhasman wrote: »

UrQuan wrote: »

coolermh wrote: »

Until they die

Then they have to be toggles.

Summon shade is good example of pet that does not require toggle. Sorc pets could work similar.

Summon Shade is a good example. It lasts 15 seconds. OP wants Sorc pets to last indefinitely and not be a toggle. That's horribly unbalanced. It would be OK for them to not be a toggle if they had a finite duration.

Explain how its unbalanced? Do you constantly find yourself saying man I would have beat that sorc if his pet didnt kill me? Man that sorc pet build kicked my ass? Sorc Pet builds are so OP!

Maybe if this was an option sorcs would be able to rejoin the meta in pvp even then its unliekly.

I mean I would be cool if the worked similar to the way nb pets worked as long as you take away the cast time.

You're asking for it to work the same way as Summon Shade, except you also want it to last indefinitely to be just flat-out better... And you're asking how it's unbalanced? Yeah, troll thread confirmed.

Pets need to be flat out better lol...thats the point

Ch4mpTW · September 2016

laksikus wrote: »

Sorc pets shouldn't get ward

Um, and why is this? You must be a PVP'er to make that bold statement. You have to remember, what ever bothers you guys in PVP and whatever it is that you all ask to be changed or nerfed effects the PVE community too. Stop being inconsiderate, bruh.

TheDarkRuler · September 2016

susmitds wrote: »

coolermh wrote: »

Fine make it so when you switch bars they don't disappear

That's OP.

How about making them only disappear if u stay on the other bar for longer than 3 seconds?

Cherryblossom · September 2016

coolermh wrote: »

UrQuan wrote: »

juhasman wrote: »

UrQuan wrote: »

coolermh wrote: »

Until they die

Then they have to be toggles.

Summon shade is good example of pet that does not require toggle. Sorc pets could work similar.

Summon Shade is a good example. It lasts 15 seconds. OP wants Sorc pets to last indefinitely and not be a toggle. That's horribly unbalanced. It would be OK for them to not be a toggle if they had a finite duration.

Explain how its unbalanced? Do you constantly find yourself saying man I would have beat that sorc if his pet didnt kill me? Man that sorc pet build kicked my ass? Sorc Pet builds are so OP!

Maybe if this was an option sorcs would be able to rejoin the meta in pvp even then its unliekly.

I mean I would be cool if the worked similar to the way nb pets worked as long as you take away the cast time.

So it wouldn't be OP if you were in a solo fight with 3 people attacking you!
I would love this on my Sorc, I'd have the build I have now with the addition of two buddies following me around, with the extra bonuses.
They just need to improve the pets to make them worthwhile using.

UrQuan · September 2016

dodgehopper_ESO wrote: »

UrQuan wrote: »

coolermh wrote: »

Until they die

Then they have to be toggles.

@UrQuan as you may know I've been promoting the notion of Pets and indeed the removal of many toggles for the Sorcerer class for a long time. I agree with you from a balance perspective that the pets should not remain forever. I personally think they should last however long the Nightblade pet lasts, possibly longer since Sorcerer's greater competency is summoning. Beyond that I do think they should time out like every other elder scrolls game played before. I think the cast time on summoning them should also be sped up if they do this, particularly with the charge given on secondary effects.

And if they worked that way it would be fine.

coolermh wrote: »

UrQuan wrote: »

coolermh wrote: »

UrQuan wrote: »

juhasman wrote: »

UrQuan wrote: »

coolermh wrote: »

Until they die

Then they have to be toggles.

Summon shade is good example of pet that does not require toggle. Sorc pets could work similar.

Summon Shade is a good example. It lasts 15 seconds. OP wants Sorc pets to last indefinitely and not be a toggle. That's horribly unbalanced. It would be OK for them to not be a toggle if they had a finite duration.

Explain how its unbalanced? Do you constantly find yourself saying man I would have beat that sorc if his pet didnt kill me? Man that sorc pet build kicked my ass? Sorc Pet builds are so OP!

Maybe if this was an option sorcs would be able to rejoin the meta in pvp even then its unliekly.

I mean I would be cool if the worked similar to the way nb pets worked as long as you take away the cast time.

You're asking for it to work the same way as Summon Shade, except you also want it to last indefinitely to be just flat-out better... And you're asking how it's unbalanced? Yeah, troll thread confirmed.

Pets need to be flat out better lol...thats the point

So Sorcerer abilities need to be flat out better than the comparable abilities of other classes. That's your point. Got it.

coolermh · September 2016

Cherryblossom wrote: »

coolermh wrote: »

UrQuan wrote: »

juhasman wrote: »

UrQuan wrote: »

coolermh wrote: »

Until they die

Then they have to be toggles.

Summon shade is good example of pet that does not require toggle. Sorc pets could work similar.

Summon Shade is a good example. It lasts 15 seconds. OP wants Sorc pets to last indefinitely and not be a toggle. That's horribly unbalanced. It would be OK for them to not be a toggle if they had a finite duration.

Explain how its unbalanced? Do you constantly find yourself saying man I would have beat that sorc if his pet didnt kill me? Man that sorc pet build kicked my ass? Sorc Pet builds are so OP!

Maybe if this was an option sorcs would be able to rejoin the meta in pvp even then its unliekly.

I mean I would be cool if the worked similar to the way nb pets worked as long as you take away the cast time.

So it wouldn't be OP if you were in a solo fight with 3 people attacking you!
I would love this on my Sorc, I'd have the build I have now with the addition of two buddies following me around, with the extra bonuses.
They just need to improve the pets to make them worthwhile using.

Or just make it so you can only have 1 active pet. I

AlnilamE · September 2016

juhasman wrote: »

Runs wrote: »

juhasman wrote: »

UrQuan wrote: »

coolermh wrote: »

Until they die

Then they have to be toggles.

Summon shade is good example of pet that does not require toggle. Sorc pets could work similar.

So they should last 12 seconds?

Shadow image last over 20 sec. I am not saying about time but about mechanic.

But that's the difference. Shades (and Shadow Image) are a timed summon, so you can switch bars, just like with any other timed buff or skill. If shades were a toggle then they'd have to be on both bars too.

coolermh wrote: »

UrQuan wrote: »

juhasman wrote: »

UrQuan wrote: »

coolermh wrote: »

Until they die

Then they have to be toggles.

Summon shade is good example of pet that does not require toggle. Sorc pets could work similar.

Summon Shade is a good example. It lasts 15 seconds. OP wants Sorc pets to last indefinitely and not be a toggle. That's horribly unbalanced. It would be OK for them to not be a toggle if they had a finite duration.

Explain how its unbalanced? Do you constantly find yourself saying man I would have beat that sorc if his pet didnt kill me? Man that sorc pet build kicked my ass? Sorc Pet builds are so OP!

Maybe if this was an option sorcs would be able to rejoin the meta in pvp even then its unliekly.

I mean I would be cool if the worked similar to the way nb pets worked as long as you take away the cast time.

You are only thinking of PvP.

And again, shades have a timer. I'd rather sorc pets be permanent when I need to use them.

katiesmith12341 wrote: »

Be able to force attack (or force stop attacking) certain players, or allow them to free roam attack.
Call your summon back to you.

Errr... They do both those things. You can set a target for them (Y and LMB while pointing at your target), and you can recall them if you use Y and RMB.

I have this dream of a raid of pet sorcs running the Maw set in PvP. I would call them Pets Unleashed!

coolermh · September 2016

UrQuan wrote: »

dodgehopper_ESO wrote: »

UrQuan wrote: »

coolermh wrote: »

Until they die

Then they have to be toggles.

@UrQuan as you may know I've been promoting the notion of Pets and indeed the removal of many toggles for the Sorcerer class for a long time. I agree with you from a balance perspective that the pets should not remain forever. I personally think they should last however long the Nightblade pet lasts, possibly longer since Sorcerer's greater competency is summoning. Beyond that I do think they should time out like every other elder scrolls game played before. I think the cast time on summoning them should also be sped up if they do this, particularly with the charge given on secondary effects.

And if they worked that way it would be fine.

coolermh wrote: »

UrQuan wrote: »

coolermh wrote: »

UrQuan wrote: »

juhasman wrote: »

UrQuan wrote: »

coolermh wrote: »

Until they die

Then they have to be toggles.

Summon shade is good example of pet that does not require toggle. Sorc pets could work similar.

Summon Shade is a good example. It lasts 15 seconds. OP wants Sorc pets to last indefinitely and not be a toggle. That's horribly unbalanced. It would be OK for them to not be a toggle if they had a finite duration.

Explain how its unbalanced? Do you constantly find yourself saying man I would have beat that sorc if his pet didnt kill me? Man that sorc pet build kicked my ass? Sorc Pet builds are so OP!

Maybe if this was an option sorcs would be able to rejoin the meta in pvp even then its unliekly.

I mean I would be cool if the worked similar to the way nb pets worked as long as you take away the cast time.

You're asking for it to work the same way as Summon Shade, except you also want it to last indefinitely to be just flat-out better... And you're asking how it's unbalanced? Yeah, troll thread confirmed.

Pets need to be flat out better lol...thats the point

So Sorcerer abilities need to be flat out better than the comparable abilities of other classes. That's your point. Got it.

NB's pets need improvement too. Im not saying that at all.