runagate wrote: »

This is one of my multiple Fiord's Legacy sets' pieces as it is on the Live server.



Here is the scaled version which has been nerfed. Another stealth nerf that's not documented.



The most galling thing is that preexisting Fiord's pieces have been retroactively changed to have this new 5 piece bonus to Sprint speed, rather than movement speed. Long ago it stacked with speed potions as well as the bonus to mounted movement speed from the Ward of Cyrodiil 3 piece set bonus.

There is no reason whatsoever to have a Sprint bonus in-game except as a way to nerf movement bonuses in general. You can see in the first screenshot that this set is still used - in fact, you don't often see a set that's max level 23 selling for 3k gold, so you know people are using it as it was originally intended. This and the 6 month old movement speed bugs/nerfs are a terrible, terrible change.

FFS it's not even "move +15% faster while sprinting" but "add 15% to the speed boost that sprint gives." Inexcusable. I wish I'd saved the audio from the guild summit from the itemization team so you could hear how ill-informed it was. This change instantly brought back that memory.

ALL sets that have been upscaled to CP 160 have been reviewed on balance.
Nothing ninja nerf

I know that with the buff system this set needed a rework, but still… this is bad.
At least hive a minor expedition boost for 20 second each time we activate the sprint, along with tis actual bonuses.

As far as I know they only fixed the tooltip. The set already only increased sprint speed the last time when I tested it pre TG patch.

Almariel wrote: »

...No ninja nerf, Fjords always only provided sprint bonus, not overall movement speed, just the tooltip wasn't that accurate. I used it a while on a low lvl twink and it worked exactly as its written now in the updated tooltip.

Nope, it increases movement speed on live, I use it for farming.

Guess this will be better...

Jailbreaker might make its way into my hiest/sacrament loadout since it should work with my concealed weapon and dark cloak build to go super fast.

NoRagret wrote: »

Filthy and inexcusable nerf whoever made this change should be fired immediately. Especially since they have refused to fixth 6 month old movement speed bug.

UPDATE: finally got the last Fiords piece in the PTS and the fifth bonus is giving 4-6% movement speed bonus (tested using RavSpeed addon) absolute disgrace.

Not a nerf; Its working the same

They reworded it so morons could understand it better but even the original wording told you exactly what it does

Sprint cost is reduced by 15% and movement speed is increased by 15%

The and implies it's increasing the movement speed of the original point...in otherwords..Sprint

Itd be horrible if it was minor expedition. You can already get that buff and this set allows you to stack it - making it more unique.

NoRagret wrote: »

Sigh, if you would care to read I TESTED this using RavSpeed the 15% bonus is gone, it now gives 4-6% increase to overall movement speed when sprinting as opposed to 15% as it was before. I'll explain further assuming you still don't understand:
Speed before PTS while sprinting: 145%
Speed after PTS while sprinting: 136%
Capiche?

This means the 15% from this set is coming from the additional 33% boost to speed that you get from sprinting. 15% of 33 is 4.95. Meaning that it's a 5% bonus to speed, like you've discovered.

Which is a far cry from the promised 15% ZOS, c'mon.

EDIT - Actually, you know what? "Speed Builds" are a thing. There, I said it ZOS, SPEED BUILDS ARE A THING. Just like Tanking is a thing, DPS is a thing, and Healing is a thing, Speed Builds are a thing. No, they don't serve a significant purpose in Dungeons, nor are they especially useful in dungeons, but they aren't meant for dungeons. Speed builds are often utilized for farming resource nodes and scroll running. More than anything, Speed in ESO is a convenience thing. Yes, there is a competitive aspect to it, but you're sacrificing more useful "competitive assets" to achieve it.

AND IT IS SO INCREDIBLY HARD TO COME BY!!! Allow me to list all of the ways that one may obtain speed in this game...

- 10%, Orc Racial
- 21%, Medium Armor Passive (w/seven pieces of medium armor)
- 02%, 120CP Bonus Passive, Lover Tree (Windrunning)
- 05%, The Steed Mundus Stone
- 15%, Fiord's Legacy 5pc Set
- 30%, Major (/Minor Expedition, 10%)

That's it! Six (technically seven) sources, and you're going to nerf one of the most significant? Really?!

Does anyone know if "movement speed" increases "attack speed" such as maybe faster animations or getting more attacks off in less time? Is this even a thing?

JustSnilloc wrote: »

the 15% from this set is coming from the additional 33% boost to speed that you get from sprinting. 15% of 33 is 4.95. Meaning that it's a 5% bonus to speed, like you've discovered

I believe the sprint speed bonus is 40%, not 33%. At least that's what it was in the Thieves Guild patch notes, which was when they nerfed Major Expedition and buffed sprint speed:

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

Reduced the bonus movement speed from the Major Expedition buff category to 30% from 40%.
Increased the bonus movement speed from Sprint to 40% from 30%.

silvereyes wrote: »

JustSnilloc wrote: »

the 15% from this set is coming from the additional 33% boost to speed that you get from sprinting. 15% of 33 is 4.95. Meaning that it's a 5% bonus to speed, like you've discovered

I believe the sprint speed bonus is 40%, not 33%. At least that's what it was in the Thieves Guild patch notes, which was when they nerfed Major Expedition and buffed sprint speed:

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

Reduced the bonus movement speed from the Major Expedition buff category to 30% from 40%.
Increased the bonus movement speed from Sprint to 40% from 30%.

Interesting... How did the one guy get these results though?

NoRagret wrote: »

Speed before PTS while sprinting: 145%
Speed after PTS while sprinting: 136%

EDIT... Didn't see this before posting

silvereyes wrote: »

But I guess there was an "unintentional" bug with movement speed introduced in TG that was never fixed. https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/289376/movement-speed-fix/p1

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

Yep, we are aware and it's not intended. We're still working on a fix for it, which will likely be included in the next major update.

Was confirmed still unfixed as of DB 2.4.8:
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/270195/the-real-patch-notes-2-4-8-now-with-kill-zones/p1

I guess it's still unfixed in Update 12. Sigh.

Vangy wrote: »

Why nerf this set? I think this was probably unintentional or overlooked while they went about revampin Sets....

I would hope so, I would also hope that ZOS actually gives this topic the time of day it deserves, if only to give some lame excuse as to why they nerfed it. It wouldn't take much to tweak the 15% speed bonus to scale off of movement speed instead of sprint speed... I wouldn't think.