I don't know about you, but excessive gore makes the game look more like a cartoon. Fallout 4 looks silly when a head explodes in slow motion. Sorry, but I thought that was cool...when I was 14.

A huge yes from me! It's a 18+ game. We don't need restrictions.

AverageJo3Gam3r wrote: »

As a father who often plays in the presence of my kids, I do not approve this thread. If you want nudity, go watch ***. If you want gore, go watch saw. If you want to hang out with friends in a great game, play ESO. Don't mix genres.

I am a single father of 2 kids. Boy and a girl. I am a bit more understanding of where you are coming from. However, if video games have more influence on them than you do. That is an issue. I am NOT saying they do, just telling you where I am coming from.

I do not need nudity to make a game M, but I would like to see a few more kill options, limbs, or decaps or a leg flying after a meteor strike. I know I would laugh if I got ganked and cut in half.

As for F bombs, I don't care, maybe it was never in the "ESO" language, but who knows. Other words yea, if used properly, or have NPC flirt or dance.

We are in a war torn world, even if its locations where you go and see dead NPC's, having heads or bodies on pikes. Yea I could understand how Molag Bol pretty much rips people apart so add that.

As of mixing genres, I am pretty sure every game Teen and up mixes them. Maybe not in the best see "Ride to Hell" Done terribly and to me, just one of the worst games of all time.

Now take, Dragon Age, Mass Effect, even Deadpool. Plays into the story, adds relationships and if Deadpool doesnt cuss 5000 times than its not a good Deadpool game, That is just who is character is.

Once again, not attacking you as a father or a parent, that is all your call. But you can't shy or hide from it.

ThePaleItalian wrote: »

AverageJo3Gam3r wrote: »

As a father who often plays in the presence of my kids, I do not approve this thread. If you want nudity, go watch ***. If you want gore, go watch saw. If you want to hang out with friends in a great game, play ESO. Don't mix genres.

I am a single father of 2 kids. Boy and a girl. I am a bit more understanding of where you are coming from. However, if video games have more influence on them than you do. That is an issue. I am NOT saying they do, just telling you where I am coming from.

I do not need nudity to make a game M, but I would like to see a few more kill options, limbs, or decaps or a leg flying after a meteor strike. I know I would laugh if I got ganked and cut in half.

As for F bombs, I don't care, maybe it was never in the "ESO" language, but who knows. Other words yea, if used properly, or have NPC flirt or dance.

We are in a war torn world, even if its locations where you go and see dead NPC's, having heads or bodies on pikes. Yea I could understand how Molag Bol pretty much rips people apart so add that.

As of mixing genres, I am pretty sure every game Teen and up mixes them. Maybe not in the best see "Ride to Hell" Done terribly and to me, just one of the worst games of all time.

Now take, Dragon Age, Mass Effect, even Deadpool. Plays into the story, adds relationships and if Deadpool doesnt cuss 5000 times than its not a good Deadpool game, That is just who is character is.

Once again, not attacking you as a father or a parent, that is all your call. But you can't shy or hide from it.

@ThePaleItalian no offense taken. Having thought about it a little more, I think we need to elevate our definition of what makes a "mature" game. Right now, we have an adolescent view...if it has nudity, cussing, and gore, it's an "adult" game. I'm not 14 anymore, and I don't think these are necessarily cool.

Instead, to me an adult or mature game should be the themes it handles. Games can be an art form and convey and tackle weighty topics. As an example of a game that handled mature themes look at the last of us. Sure the game has cussing and gore, but that's not what makes it a mature game to me. Look at the way the game tackles the topics of loss, the way Ellie handles (near) sexual victimization, and Joel's fatherly response to that including the complete change in their relationship.

We should be asking ZOS to tackle more weighty topics if we want a mature game, not add more adolescent elements just for the sake of adding them. You're right, this is a war torn world. Where my morally ambiguous quests where I have to choose between saving my kid/spouse and saving the queen? Or if demora have a free will and if they could be liberated from Molag bals control? Those would be cool topics to explore. You mentioned mass effect. From what I hear, that game has these types of choices. Give me more of that!

I don't know if this has been mentioned already, but I recall that ZOS was actually shooting for a T (ESRB) rating, and was somewhat disappointed when they were saddled with an M rating.

They were shooting to capture that 'larger' teen market that is part of why WoW was so successful and accessible. Rather than go back and cut the content, they left it in and kept the M rating. A good thing, in my opinion, but it has resulted in a somewhat more watered down experience than if they were shooting for M from the beginning.

I would too like them to go a little further if no other reason than the possibility of fewer children in game. Skyrim was a a bit more graphic so probably something like that. A skooma den with people all strung out, decapitations, Sanguine's drunken debauchery and CHEEESSSEEE!!!

All the glorious cheese.

AverageJo3Gam3r wrote: »

ThePaleItalian wrote: »

AverageJo3Gam3r wrote: »

As a father who often plays in the presence of my kids, I do not approve this thread. If you want nudity, go watch ***. If you want gore, go watch saw. If you want to hang out with friends in a great game, play ESO. Don't mix genres.

I am a single father of 2 kids. Boy and a girl. I am a bit more understanding of where you are coming from. However, if video games have more influence on them than you do. That is an issue. I am NOT saying they do, just telling you where I am coming from.

I do not need nudity to make a game M, but I would like to see a few more kill options, limbs, or decaps or a leg flying after a meteor strike. I know I would laugh if I got ganked and cut in half.

As for F bombs, I don't care, maybe it was never in the "ESO" language, but who knows. Other words yea, if used properly, or have NPC flirt or dance.

We are in a war torn world, even if its locations where you go and see dead NPC's, having heads or bodies on pikes. Yea I could understand how Molag Bol pretty much rips people apart so add that.

As of mixing genres, I am pretty sure every game Teen and up mixes them. Maybe not in the best see "Ride to Hell" Done terribly and to me, just one of the worst games of all time.

Now take, Dragon Age, Mass Effect, even Deadpool. Plays into the story, adds relationships and if Deadpool doesnt cuss 5000 times than its not a good Deadpool game, That is just who is character is.

Once again, not attacking you as a father or a parent, that is all your call. But you can't shy or hide from it.

@ThePaleItalian no offense taken. Having thought about it a little more, I think we need to elevate our definition of what makes a "mature" game. Right now, we have an adolescent view...if it has nudity, cussing, and gore, it's an "adult" game. I'm not 14 anymore, and I don't think these are necessarily cool.

Instead, to me an adult or mature game should be the themes it handles. Games can be an art form and convey and tackle weighty topics. As an example of a game that handled mature themes look at the last of us. Sure the game has cussing and gore, but that's not what makes it a mature game to me. Look at the way the game tackles the topics of loss, the way Ellie handles (near) sexual victimization, and Joel's fatherly response to that including the complete change in their relationship.

We should be asking ZOS to tackle more weighty topics if we want a mature game, not add more adolescent elements just for the sake of adding them. You're right, this is a war torn world. Where my morally ambiguous quests where I have to choose between saving my kid/spouse and saving the queen? Or if demora have a free will and if they could be liberated from Molag bals control? Those would be cool topics to explore. You mentioned mass effect. From what I hear, that game has these types of choices. Give me more of that!

That I agree with. Boobs and gore...eh. There is a place for them in games, but just have a pair pixel *** (say that 5 times fast) doesn't make the game "mature" for me.

Mass Effect made you really think about your choices because it would effect the entire story, which is very doable in a single player game but in something like an MMO it can be very hard to pull off. If half the people kill one person and other half doesnt, do you just write whole separate stories? Which is cool in its thought, but probably hard to put into practice.

The quests in Coldharbor were nice, picking between the few, each of my play throughs I picked different options for quests that gave you that, but the feeling of having my choices effect the world felt very small. Although my first playthrough I did find myself wondering who I was going to let die in at the end. (SPOILER ALERT)

Having a "Mature" title now those does have, nudity, sexual references, drug and alcohol use, language and gore. That is pretty much the formula for "Mature"

So I do see both sides of the coin.

AverageJo3Gam3r wrote: »

As a father who often plays in the presence of my kids, I do not approve this thread. If you want nudity, go watch ***. If you want gore, go watch saw. If you want to hang out with friends in a great game, play ESO. Don't mix genres.

When i was in a guild group the other day, my guildmate was playing with her kids there, and while we were waiting for a delve boss to spawn, the kids wanted me to unequip my Khajiit's chest piece, so they could see if she had boobs or not. My guildmate did not discourage this, and the sight of a khajiit in her undies was apparently hilarious.

I understand many players are parents and much adult content is inappropriate for certain ages, but these kids need to be desensitized to this stuff sometime.

A lot of the game has been sanitised/toned down compared to previous depictions in earlier games or lore. For example, Coldharbour itself; this is how it was described in "The Doors of Oblivion":

" It appeared to Zenas as if it were a future Nirn, under the King of ***, desolate and barren, filled with suffering. I could hear Morian Zenas weep at the images he saw, and shiver at the sight of the Imperial Palace, spattered with blood and excrement."

This made me think of a post-apocalyptic version of Nirn, what Nirn would be like if Molag Bal completed the Planemeld. Instead we got a very otherworldly realm of spiky floating rocks and few truly dark/frightening moments. Even the fake Imperial Palace is squeaky-clean. :P

Shegoraths dialogue would be epic if this was implemented.

I agree with the OP.

It was really refreshing playing the Witcher 3 and having a mature world to explore where people get annoyed and act like it with dialogue to match, but more than this the dark feeling to the world just gave it more depth. When I'm hunting a tormented spirit I learn it really is a tormented spirit and not a jolly nice chap whose brothers locked it away for wanting to go and help some other jolly nice chaps.

Hell Tharn talks about a Riften Brothel, but no matter how hard I looked I couldn't find one! On a slightly more serious note, much of the personality of my character seems to be a 12 year old slightly *** self loathing nice guy. So many things to love about the game though it can come off as horribly cheesy when your dialogue is always 'Let Me Help You!' and when your done 'Your smile is more than enough reward for me, Oh and kids be good to your Mum and drink your Milk' and should a buxom wench be throwing herself at our dashing hero 'You don't want to be doing that Miss. You should enroll in college and get an education, come I will help you fill out your application. And remember kids only bad girls have sex outside of marriage and then only for the purpose of procreation! All the while heading off to murder 100's of people with the blade of woe for an achievement. 'Murders fine kids as long as you remember to eat your vegetables!'

So yeah a more mature setting, maybe one where I can even call out NPCs on being jerks or make demands etc rather than begging to help them would be nice.

Yes, moar blood