Max Magicka sets for non pet builds

JodaGreyhame · September 2016

Looking through the PTS sets, there are no max magicka sets for non-pet builds. The only such set is the necropotence set, which relies on a pet to activate the bonus.

Stamina has an equivalent set, the Draugr Hulk, which gives 3000 max stam for the 5th piece.

There needs to be a set added that does not rely on pets. Another option could be to change necropotence to give 3000 magic without a pet, and an extra 1000 magic with a pet.

Any thoughts on other max magicka combos?

Dracane · September 2016

Probably no optimal sets. But a non-summoner will always reach more magicka than a summoner.
Because Magelight and possibly bound armor offers so much more magicka than necropotence.

Just use as many magicka traits as possible and then use magelight and bound armor instead. You will have more magicka and a functioning build. If a summoner has 2 pets AND these 2 things, then it's not a playable anymore.

susmitds · September 2016

Dracane wrote: »

Probably no optimal sets. But a non-summoner will always reach more magicka than a summoner.
Because Magelight and possibly bound armor offers so much more magicka than necropotence.

Just use as many magicka traits as possible and then use magelight and bound armor instead. You will have more magicka and a functioning build. If a summoner has 2 pets AND these 2 things, then it's not a playable anymore.

Nightblades can stack all.

leepalmer95 · September 2016

susmitds wrote: »

Dracane wrote: »

Probably no optimal sets. But a non-summoner will always reach more magicka than a summoner.
Because Magelight and possibly bound armor offers so much more magicka than necropotence.

Just use as many magicka traits as possible and then use magelight and bound armor instead. You will have more magicka and a functioning build. If a summoner has 2 pets AND these 2 things, then it's not a playable anymore.

Nightblades can stack all.

Shhh

Lightspeedflashb14_ESO · September 2016

Dracane wrote: »

Probably no optimal sets. But a non-summoner will always reach more magicka than a summoner.
Because Magelight and possibly bound armor offers so much more magicka than necropotence.

Just use as many magicka traits as possible and then use magelight and bound armor instead. You will have more magicka and a functioning build. If a summoner has 2 pets AND these 2 things, then it's not a playable anymore.

This sentence makes no sense. Of course pet builds using necro will reach more magic. Mage light and bound armor are percentage boosts while necro is a flat bonus that makes the aforementioned skill BETTER. So wtf are you taking about.

maxjapank · September 2016

I agree, Joda. Even Stam has a set ( Bone Pirate's Tatters) where the 5p bonus is While you have a drink buff active, your Max Stamina is increased by 2000 and Stamina Recovery by 300.

I see lots of sets where they increase spell dmg by a lot for the 5-bonus. But there are a lot of sets that increase weapon dmg for the 5p bonus. But there aren't any sets that increase Max Magicka. And I would really like one or two that don't need a pet. Magicka increases dmg, but it also gives you more resource to pool from. Just seems that there was a lack of vision for Magicka overall.

Dracane · September 2016

susmitds wrote: »

Dracane wrote: »

Probably no optimal sets. But a non-summoner will always reach more magicka than a summoner.
Because Magelight and possibly bound armor offers so much more magicka than necropotence.

Just use as many magicka traits as possible and then use magelight and bound armor instead. You will have more magicka and a functioning build. If a summoner has 2 pets AND these 2 things, then it's not a playable anymore.

Nightblades can stack all.

Well, Nightblades are overpowered anyway ) Best passives, many abilities that give you OP buffs for slotting them and the best ults. I was talking about Sorc now and Sorcs have to make sacrifises to achieve something. Nightblades don't

Dracane · September 2016

Lightspeedflashb14_ESO wrote: »

Dracane wrote: »

Probably no optimal sets. But a non-summoner will always reach more magicka than a summoner.
Because Magelight and possibly bound armor offers so much more magicka than necropotence.

Just use as many magicka traits as possible and then use magelight and bound armor instead. You will have more magicka and a functioning build. If a summoner has 2 pets AND these 2 things, then it's not a playable anymore.

This sentence makes no sense. Of course pet builds using necro will reach more magic. Mage light and bound armor are percentage boosts while necro is a flat bonus that makes the aforementioned skill BETTER. So wtf are you taking about.

Magelight and bound armor together is muuuuuch more magicka than Necropotence 5.
A 1 pet build could probably reach a bit more. But honestly, I tried it a lot and only 1 Sorc pet is not really effective as far as I am concerned. Either 2 or none (for pvp)

And please, tame your disrespectful speech.

Vaoh · September 2016

These are what I recommend to get access to as much Max Magicka as you can!

• 5x Necropotence = 7.14 Max Magicka
bonuses
• 5x Armor of the Trainee = 3.59 Max Magicka bonuses (as well as Max Health and Max Stamina)
• 4x Necropotence = 3 Max Magicka
bonuses
• 3x Spell Power Cure = 2 Max Magicka nonuses
• 2x Willpower = 1.5 Max Magicka bonuses
• 1x Master Destruction Staff = 1.08 Max Magicka bonus
• 1x Master Destruction Staff = 1.08 Max Magicka bonus
• 1x Infernal Guardian = 1 Max Magicka bonus
• 1x Ilambris = 1 Max Magicka bonus
• 1x Grothdarr = 1 Max Magicka bonus

HIGHEST Max Magicka setup probably comes from:

• 1x Ilambris
• 1x Grothdarr
• 3x Spell Power Cure
• 5x Necropotence
• Master Destruction Staff
• Master Restoration Staff

This is essentially 12.22 Max Bonuses!

That would equal RAW Max Magicka bonuses (of 967 at CP160 Gold). Bombard -_-

Rykmaar · September 2016

They need a mirror of Hulking Draugr for magicka builds. No questions asked. If not, the bias and glaring imbalances are clearer than ever.

Only one class currently reaps benefits from necro. (don't even say sorcs because having pets slotted is a debuff on you, NBs can use this set and receive nothing but benefits.)

Dracane · September 2016

Rykmaar wrote: »

They need a mirror of Hulking Draugr for magicka builds. No questions asked. If not, the bias and glaring imbalances are clearer than ever.

Only one class currently reaps benefits from necro. (don't even say sorcs because having pets slotted is a debuff on you, NBs can use this set and receive nothing but benefits.)

It's a bit over the top, that Hulking Draugr requires nothing for its huge 5 piece bonus.
For example destruction mastery requires a destruction staff to be equipped and only grants like 2400 magicka.

This set is too good and easy in my opinion. But Stamina always gets everything the easy way

Why are we even wondering. They want stam to be OP and easy mode

WuffyCerulei · September 2016

Stacking necropotence and destruction mastery gets you a nice amount of magicka. I love using my pet so : D Clannfear make for good personal tanks, or they just like to chase after anyone they like, not giving a flying fudge.

Lightspeedflashb14_ESO · September 2016

Dracane wrote: »

Lightspeedflashb14_ESO wrote: »

Dracane wrote: »

Probably no optimal sets. But a non-summoner will always reach more magicka than a summoner.
Because Magelight and possibly bound armor offers so much more magicka than necropotence.

Just use as many magicka traits as possible and then use magelight and bound armor instead. You will have more magicka and a functioning build. If a summoner has 2 pets AND these 2 things, then it's not a playable anymore.

This sentence makes no sense. Of course pet builds using necro will reach more magic. Mage light and bound armor are percentage boosts while necro is a flat bonus that makes the aforementioned skill BETTER. So wtf are you taking about.

Magelight and bound armor together is muuuuuch more magicka than Necropotence 5.
A 1 pet build could probably reach a bit more. But honestly, I tried it a lot and only 1 Sorc pet is not really effective as far as I am concerned. Either 2 or none (for pvp)

And please, tame your disrespectful speech.

are you aware of how it accounts for magic or the other pools? i don't think you are.

so the percentage bonus you say are " muuuuuch more magicka" are different. they are calculated SEPARATELY from the BASE magic you have. IE the amount you get from your attributes and armor enchantments and set bonuses. then the percentage bonuses are added to the total.

for example, without ANY percentage bonuses(this includes CPs, as at max cp, you get like 18% more) the most you can have from armor and set bonuses in the game right now is around 30k. without necro. it is from this 30k that the percentages are calculated, IE 30k times 8% = 2.4k for bound armor and 30k times 7% = 2100 for inner light. then 30k times 10% = 3k for being breton or high elf, and so on.

with the necropotence you get ANOTHER 4K BASE plus ALL THE PERCENTAGES MULTIPLY OFF OF IT. IR that 30k is now 34k or so. so 34k times 8% = 2720 for bound armor now! that is 320 MORE than without the set PLUS the original extra 4k base.

do you understand now? it really is not complicated.

Dracane · September 2016

Lightspeedflashb14_ESO wrote: »

Dracane wrote: »

Lightspeedflashb14_ESO wrote: »

Dracane wrote: »

Probably no optimal sets. But a non-summoner will always reach more magicka than a summoner.
Because Magelight and possibly bound armor offers so much more magicka than necropotence.

Just use as many magicka traits as possible and then use magelight and bound armor instead. You will have more magicka and a functioning build. If a summoner has 2 pets AND these 2 things, then it's not a playable anymore.

This sentence makes no sense. Of course pet builds using necro will reach more magic. Mage light and bound armor are percentage boosts while necro is a flat bonus that makes the aforementioned skill BETTER. So wtf are you taking about.

Magelight and bound armor together is muuuuuch more magicka than Necropotence 5.
A 1 pet build could probably reach a bit more. But honestly, I tried it a lot and only 1 Sorc pet is not really effective as far as I am concerned. Either 2 or none (for pvp)

And please, tame your disrespectful speech.

are you aware of how it accounts for magic or the other pools? i don't think you are.

so the percentage bonus you say are " muuuuuch more magicka" are different. they are calculated SEPARATELY from the BASE magic you have. IE the amount you get from your attributes and armor enchantments and set bonuses. then the percentage bonuses are added to the total.

for example, without ANY percentage bonuses(this includes CPs, as at max cp, you get like 18% more) the most you can have from armor and set bonuses in the game right now is around 30k. without necro. it is from this 30k that the percentages are calculated, IE 30k times 8% = 2.4k for bound armor and 30k times 7% = 2100 for inner light. then 30k times 10% = 3k for being breton or high elf, and so on.

with the necropotence you get ANOTHER 4K BASE plus ALL THE PERCENTAGES MULTIPLY OFF OF IT. IR that 30k is now 34k or so. so 34k times 8% = 2720 for bound armor now! that is 320 MORE than without the set PLUS the original extra 4k base.

do you understand now? it really is not complicated.

I think, I am aware. Which doesn't change anything. Hulking is yet another easy package for stam.

Waffennacht · September 2016

He is saying

Necropotence + x2 pets = less max mag than, (edit or darn close to) oh let's say TBS with mage (cuz that's where my mind's atm lol)

Let's say TBS is givin you 2100ish magicka. Let's take a nice starting point of 20k max mag. Necro gets you to approx 27k with pet abilities., then TBS gets you to... approx 25k, but also minor ward, empower, 2% mag regen, 1k more health, 1k more stam.

So stat wise another set (like TBS) taking Necros place and not using Pets, will give you darn near the same magicka.

So it's not a huge boost like it looks.

Dracane · September 2016

Waffennacht wrote: »

He is saying

Necropotence + x2 pets = less max mag than, (edit or darn close to) oh let's say TBS with mage (cuz that's where my mind's atm lol)

Let's say TBS is givin you 2100ish magicka. Let's take a nice starting point of 20k max mag. Necro gets you to approx 27k with pet abilities., then TBS gets you to... approx 25k, but also minor ward, empower, 2% mag regen, 1k more health, 1k more stam.

So stat wise another set (like TBS) taking Necros place and not using Pets, will give you darn near the same magicka.

So it's not a huge boost like it looks.

Well and now imagine using 4 necro and 1 magicka monster piece and magelight/bound armor instead of pets.
Then you will gain signficiantly more magicka. Necropotence is completely overesstimated when it comes to Sorcs. It's really only strong for Nightblades.

Transairion · September 2016

While I'm all for equalizing Stamina/Magicka and having an equal no-requirements Magicka set to be available, all I can say is this:

As a Pet Sorc, please don't nerf one of the handful of Pet-based sets in the entire game just to make it some generic Magicka set.

On Live, there is a grand total of 5 Pet-based sets in the game (Necropotence, Hunt Leader, Morkuldin, Engine Guardian and Maw of the Infernal). Of those, three are actual summons. Only TWO benefit/work with existing pets, and Hunt Leader is a stamina set.

Don't gut the ORIGINAL and previously ONLY pet-based set in the game to some lower, 3000 Magicka no pets required rubbish and NERF pet users in the process just because you don't want to make something new.

Just don't. I beg you.

Waffennacht · September 2016

@Transairion

They aren't lookin for a nerf lol, but a buff!

The point is, a magicka set gives barely anything more than a stam set YET has the requirements of losing a minimum of 2 ability slots. For that cost, the magicka version should be greatly higher than a stam version

Strider_Roshin · September 2016

Dracane wrote: »

Rykmaar wrote: »

They need a mirror of Hulking Draugr for magicka builds. No questions asked. If not, the bias and glaring imbalances are clearer than ever.

Only one class currently reaps benefits from necro. (don't even say sorcs because having pets slotted is a debuff on you, NBs can use this set and receive nothing but benefits.)

It's a bit over the top, that Hulking Draugr requires nothing for its huge 5 piece bonus.
For example destruction mastery requires a destruction staff to be equipped and only grants like 2400 magicka.

This set is too good and easy in my opinion. But Stamina always gets everything the easy way Why are we even wondering. They want stam to be OP and easy mode

To be fair, magicka builds should be running destruction staves anyways. Complaining because you're requiring people who play magicka to use the only offensive magicka weapon in the game is just silly in my opinion.

Transairion · September 2016

@Transairion

They aren't lookin for a nerf lol, but a buff!

The point is, a magicka set gives barely anything more than a stam set YET has the requirements of losing a minimum of 2 ability slots. For that cost, the magicka version should be greatly higher than a stam version

Oh, I'm sure that's what the players want... I'm more fearful of how @ZOS will interpret it as.

"Oh, you want a Magicka set that just gives Magicka? Well Necropotence already exists, let's just remove the pet requirement... but then 4k will be OP, so bump it down to 3000 as well. Now they've got a mirror set!" X_x

My personal opinion on Hulking Draugr and the new sets like it (which are just "You get X stat" without any requirements), are they're dumb design and shouldn't have even made it to PTS really. Necropotence is all about tradeoffs and niche builds (well, not so much Nightblades...), stuff like Hulking? You don't trade anything other than set slots, you just get stats for showing up.

It's silly.

To be fair, magicka builds should be running destruction staves anyways. Complaining because you're requiring people who play magicka to use the only offensive magicka weapon in the game is just silly in my opinion.

I was under the impression at present you actually get MORE spell power from dual-wielding two weapons > having a single Destruction staff, so some/a lot of magicka players aren't even using staves unless they have a Maelstorm one to use.

Waffennacht · September 2016

@Dracane the math is actually stupid easy.

It is:

If you can get your max mag to 27k magicka or higher, without using the 5th Necropotence piece, then using armor and mage light over pets will produce same if not more max magicka.

It's simply 4000 magicka vs 15%, and 27,000 x .15 = 4000 approximately.

Lord_Eomer · September 2016

Dracane wrote: »

Probably no optimal sets. But a non-summoner will always reach more magicka than a summoner.
Because Magelight and possibly bound armor offers so much more magicka than necropotence.

Just use as many magicka traits as possible and then use magelight and bound armor instead. You will have more magicka and a functioning build. If a summoner has 2 pets AND these 2 things, then it's not a playable anymore.

You have no idea, magelight and bound armor add percentage bonus which will be greatly increaed with Necropotance set flat value magicka bonus

Dracane · September 2016

Lord_Dexter wrote: »

Dracane wrote: »

Probably no optimal sets. But a non-summoner will always reach more magicka than a summoner.
Because Magelight and possibly bound armor offers so much more magicka than necropotence.

Just use as many magicka traits as possible and then use magelight and bound armor instead. You will have more magicka and a functioning build. If a summoner has 2 pets AND these 2 things, then it's not a playable anymore.

You have no idea, magelight and bound armor add percentage bonus which will be greatly increaed with Necropotance set flat value magicka bonus

You are the one who has no idea.
As far as build functionality goes, it's hard to create a functioning build with 2 pets AND bound armor AND magelight. It's basically not possible without sacrifising damage efficiency because you loose too many skillslots.

It's better to only use bound armor and magelight and some other set instead if you want a balance between max ressource and free ability slots. Bound armor and magelight "only" requires 3 slots. With pets you already loose 7 slots if you still want bound armor and magelight, Overload not included. So please......
Bound armor plus magelight is more magicka than having 2 pets and requires less slots.

Lord_Eomer · September 2016

Dracane wrote: »

Lord_Dexter wrote: »

Dracane wrote: »

Probably no optimal sets. But a non-summoner will always reach more magicka than a summoner.
Because Magelight and possibly bound armor offers so much more magicka than necropotence.

Just use as many magicka traits as possible and then use magelight and bound armor instead. You will have more magicka and a functioning build. If a summoner has 2 pets AND these 2 things, then it's not a playable anymore.

You have no idea, magelight and bound armor add percentage bonus which will be greatly increaed with Necropotance set flat value magicka bonus

You are the one who has no idea.
As far as build functionality goes, it's hard to create a functioning build with 2 pets AND bound armor AND magelight. It's basically not possible without sacrifising damage efficiency because you loose too many skillslots.

It's better to only use bound armor and magelight and some other set instead if you want a balance between max ressource and free ability slots. Bound armor and magelight "only" requires 3 slots. With pets you already loose 7 slots if you still want bound armor and magelight, Overload not included. So please......
Bound armor plus magelight is more magicka than having 2 pets and requires less slots.

Lol i am unable to stop laugh, u just need to slot one pet to get buff not 2 pets

You can easily go with 50k+ magicka with this set on a sorcerer..

In other words, for mages Higher magicka is higher dps.

Lexxypwns · September 2016

Lord_Dexter wrote: »

Dracane wrote: »

Lord_Dexter wrote: »

Dracane wrote: »

Probably no optimal sets. But a non-summoner will always reach more magicka than a summoner.
Because Magelight and possibly bound armor offers so much more magicka than necropotence.

Just use as many magicka traits as possible and then use magelight and bound armor instead. You will have more magicka and a functioning build. If a summoner has 2 pets AND these 2 things, then it's not a playable anymore.

You have no idea, magelight and bound armor add percentage bonus which will be greatly increaed with Necropotance set flat value magicka bonus

You are the one who has no idea.
As far as build functionality goes, it's hard to create a functioning build with 2 pets AND bound armor AND magelight. It's basically not possible without sacrifising damage efficiency because you loose too many skillslots.

It's better to only use bound armor and magelight and some other set instead if you want a balance between max ressource and free ability slots. Bound armor and magelight "only" requires 3 slots. With pets you already loose 7 slots if you still want bound armor and magelight, Overload not included. So please......
Bound armor plus magelight is more magicka than having 2 pets and requires less slots.

Lol i am unable to stop laugh, u just need to slot one pet to get buff not 2 pets

You can easily go with 50k+ magicka with this set on a sorcerer..

In other words, for mages Higher magicka is higher dps.

can make it work with 1 skill slot for mageblade too

JodaGreyhame · September 2016

I was coming from the view of magicka templars / DKs. They receive no benefit at all from necropotence, since they don't have pets. Hence my request for a new magic set similar to the Hulking Draugr set.

I thought it would be an easy to fix to change the 5th piece of necropotence to something like "Increase max magicka by 3000. While you have a pet active, increase by a further 1000 magicka."

This way pet builds still get their max magicka untouched, while magplars and mDKs get a set equivalent to Hulking Draugr.

Lightspeedflashb14_ESO · September 2016

Waffennacht wrote: »

@Dracane the math is actually stupid easy.

It is:

If you can get your max mag to 27k magicka or higher, without using the 5th Necropotence piece, then using armor and mage light over pets will produce same if not more max magicka.

It's simply 4000 magicka vs 15%, and 27,000 x .15 = 4000 approximately.

No it is not. That percentages will get better with necropotance. Why is this so hard to understand. You can run those same skills AND still get the extra 4k from necro and then those skill will scale higher.

arkansas_ESO · September 2016

Dracane wrote: »

, Nightblades are overpowered anyways

Dracane · September 2016

Lord_Dexter wrote: »

Dracane wrote: »

Lord_Dexter wrote: »

Dracane wrote: »

Probably no optimal sets. But a non-summoner will always reach more magicka than a summoner.
Because Magelight and possibly bound armor offers so much more magicka than necropotence.

Just use as many magicka traits as possible and then use magelight and bound armor instead. You will have more magicka and a functioning build. If a summoner has 2 pets AND these 2 things, then it's not a playable anymore.

You have no idea, magelight and bound armor add percentage bonus which will be greatly increaed with Necropotance set flat value magicka bonus

You are the one who has no idea.
As far as build functionality goes, it's hard to create a functioning build with 2 pets AND bound armor AND magelight. It's basically not possible without sacrifising damage efficiency because you loose too many skillslots.

It's better to only use bound armor and magelight and some other set instead if you want a balance between max ressource and free ability slots. Bound armor and magelight "only" requires 3 slots. With pets you already loose 7 slots if you still want bound armor and magelight, Overload not included. So please......
Bound armor plus magelight is more magicka than having 2 pets and requires less slots.

Lol i am unable to stop laugh, u just need to slot one pet to get buff not 2 pets

You can easily go with 50k+ magicka with this set on a sorcerer..

In other words, for mages Higher magicka is higher dps.

As I said in an earlier post, 1 pet is not viable on a Sorc in my opinion.
Keep in mind I really only speak about Pet Sorcs, not about Nightblades who can have both without a problem.

I'm playing with pets since years and I tried many things. And you either use both or don't waste the skillslots and fill your bars with actual skills. So and if you have both pets, you will not have space for bound armor. And Necropotence is not better than bound armor and magelight.

Lightspeedflashb14_ESO · September 2016

Dracane wrote: »

Lord_Dexter wrote: »

Dracane wrote: »

Lord_Dexter wrote: »

Dracane wrote: »

Probably no optimal sets. But a non-summoner will always reach more magicka than a summoner.
Because Magelight and possibly bound armor offers so much more magicka than necropotence.

Just use as many magicka traits as possible and then use magelight and bound armor instead. You will have more magicka and a functioning build. If a summoner has 2 pets AND these 2 things, then it's not a playable anymore.

You have no idea, magelight and bound armor add percentage bonus which will be greatly increaed with Necropotance set flat value magicka bonus

You are the one who has no idea.
As far as build functionality goes, it's hard to create a functioning build with 2 pets AND bound armor AND magelight. It's basically not possible without sacrifising damage efficiency because you loose too many skillslots.

It's better to only use bound armor and magelight and some other set instead if you want a balance between max ressource and free ability slots. Bound armor and magelight "only" requires 3 slots. With pets you already loose 7 slots if you still want bound armor and magelight, Overload not included. So please......
Bound armor plus magelight is more magicka than having 2 pets and requires less slots.

Lol i am unable to stop laugh, u just need to slot one pet to get buff not 2 pets

You can easily go with 50k+ magicka with this set on a sorcerer..

In other words, for mages Higher magicka is higher dps.

As I said in an earlier post, 1 pet is not viable on a Sorc in my opinion.
Keep in mind I really only speak about Pet Sorcs, not about Nightblades who can have both without a problem.

I'm playing with pets since years and I tried many things. And you either use both or don't waste the skillslots and fill your bars with actual skills. So and if you have both pets, you will not have space for bound armor. And Necropotence is not better than bound armor and magelight.

Lol yes it is. The math is cut and dry on that. At least in getting more max magic. The secondary effects of the skills you could debate.