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ULTIMATES (weapon ults)
bovardjeff_ESO
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With the current setup of weapon Ults its currently possible to use the weapon ult without the weapon in hand. What i mean( for example) is that the very powerful shield ultimate has a duration allowing a player to activate this cheap ultimate THEN IMMEDIATLY SWAP to his other bar NO MATTER THE WEAPON THE SHIELD ULT STAYS IN EFFECT. I for one don't think this should be possible. yes there are many skills that allow this especially those with durations but i feel WEAPON ULTS need to require the weapon if they are so insanly powerful. Allowing a HIGH DPS class to have this ult active WITHOUT having the shield ON HIS'/HER BAR is the same as allowing one to use the ultimate without the weapon at all. also considering that the very description of the ability states it REINFORCES your SHIELD.
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what your talking about goes against all game mechanics except toggles. oh wait they got rid of all the toggles so you could cast and switch. your dreaming if you think they will make your suggested change, it makes no sense. you have to have the weapon equipped to cast it, thats enough. you dont even need to wear armor to cast armor abilities....3 -
bovardjeff_ESO✭✭✭so your saying its totally fine for somone to have 2 ultimate effects on at the same time? For example: if one uses the two hander ult and kills the target they get resist now since they used the morph for full ultimate back they swap weapons to dual wield and now with a free ult they gain a large amount of healing?
OR uses 2 hander for kill and resistance and then swaps to a shield for free blocking?1 -
bovardjeff_ESO✭✭✭Im not asking to change a duration mechanic for the entire game JUST FOR THESE ULTS AS THEY ARE! its laying the groundwork for some nasty overpowered builds that will bring down the nerfhammer HARD any any who use the abilities not just the overpowered builds. THAT is my fear.0
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bovardjeff_ESO✭✭✭and yes you can use the armor skills without the armor itself but its MORE EFFECTIVE with said armor type. the ultimates are JUST AS EFFECTIVE with or without the weapon on the bar during the ults duration. which i find unfair to all tanks who work hard for their armor and block ability0
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Oakmontowls_ESO✭✭✭✭✭
✭Sounds like the issue here is the 2hnd ultimate and not the fact that the buffs persist when bar swapping. However they are still having to use one of their two weapon slots in order to use the ultimate which is rather fair since they would be losing out on other offensive skills.0 -
bovardjeff_ESO✭✭✭they arnt giving up much. I know many players who weild a 2 hander and shield or resto staff in the other slot. they simply place all emergency or magick/non weapon based abilities on the shield bar and then use whatever other skills for dps and their weapon skills from the 2 hander they have.
i know many will simply have the sheild for the ultimate and use whatever other non weapon based abilities they want on the bar0 -
bovardjeff_ESO✭✭✭they might give up another ultimate but can prob compensate with giving up whatever armor stats they did have since they can now just steal their opponents hard earned armor XD0
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there is no problem with switching, yes 2hand refund is op and should be changed to 50% or something. no, light armor gives absolutely 0 benefit to casting magica harness it scales off max magic0
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bovardjeff_ESO✭✭✭or change the shield ultimate? honestly ive used shield and weapon since the start i was sort of hoping for something like a cheaper form of war horn or a aoe aggro that reduces damage (not armor) just straight up damage reduction.0
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Spearblade✭✭✭✭Nightblade can cast Bolstering Darkness for 60% damage mit and bar swap and pretty quickly get an Incap off. Your logic is flawed.
DK armor ulti. Templar Nova. Sorc Negate/Atro. Plenty of ultis that have effects that persist after cast, even if you bar swap.
Your problem seems to lie with the sword/board ulti in general...1 -
bovardjeff_ESO✭✭✭THOSE ARE CLASS ULTIMATES not weapons. im saying getting the affect of one weapon ult and then getting the other weapons ult shouldnt be allowed! either change the 2 hander ult or change the shield ult0
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bovardjeff_ESO✭✭✭and again my problem is that with an ultimate that reinforces your SHIELD how does it stay active when you drop your shield? the best solution is make the shield ult like the sorc ult that uses small amounts of ultimate. basically the ultimate you have would be consumed in replacement of your stamina0
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bovardjeff_ESO✭✭✭and swapping bars would naturally drop the ult ...unless the sorc ult doesnt drop........0
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Cherryblossom✭✭✭✭✭
✭I do think you have a point, but I don't believe you should lose an Ult because you bar swap!
Ult generation should may be looked at, I know I can already drop an Ult on my NB and shortly after do InCaps Ult.
Until it fully tested we won't know how quick someone can go from one Ult to another, so unless you can test and provide the evidence for your Hypothesis, then that is all it is.
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bovardjeff_ESO✭✭✭it really doesnt need a test...just look at the ultimate durations
2 hander lasts 8 seconds and shield ult five sec that is more than enough time to activate one : kill your target ...get the ult back and activate the other
granted the 2 hander would need to go first and get the kill but its still op0
