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Roechacca✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭KingYogi415 wrote: »KingYogi415 wrote: »@Roechacca
I have been a huge supporter of all of ZOS's move's. Most of my comments are telling people to "stop crying about stam builds", and that game is better and more balanced then ever.
This economy meta change plus loot crates is enough for me to want to delete all my characters and find another hobby.
Hopefully they don't somehow completely ruin PVP in the next couple updates or this game will have nothing left for me soon.
This change in where gear sets are available puts gear wanted by PvP players most, in easy to reach places for PvP players so they don't have to buy from dungeon farmers. Maybe you missed that somewhere.
Which I'm fine with. But do you think though these pieces will be any cheaper? Look at the lich set when it first came out, cost 1 mill+ to run.
If people were less impatient they could have waited for the sun set pieces to fall into normal price range in a couple months.
The fact that not a single set is sell-able set will come from any end-game PVE is complete joke. The fact that salty pvper's can justify all PVE being crushed because one set was too expensive for them is depressing.
None the less it's not a driving force to make players leave for other games. The sets are available to people that hunt it down. If enough people complain they might switch some sets back to bind on equip but I wouldn't hold your breath on a time frame.
I've just been around so long now that I'm convinced, short of pulling the plug from the wall, nothing makes anyone around here quit. The player base will live on.0 -
Afortunado✭✭✭KingYogi415 wrote: »KingYogi415 wrote: »@Roechacca
I have been a huge supporter of all of ZOS's move's. Most of my comments are telling people to "stop crying about stam builds", and that game is better and more balanced then ever.
This economy meta change plus loot crates is enough for me to want to delete all my characters and find another hobby.
Hopefully they don't somehow completely ruin PVP in the next couple updates or this game will have nothing left for me soon.
This change in where gear sets are available puts gear wanted by PvP players most, in easy to reach places for PvP players so they don't have to buy from dungeon farmers. Maybe you missed that somewhere.
Which I'm fine with. But do you think though these pieces will be any cheaper? Look at the lich set when it first came out, cost 1 mill+ to run.
If people were less impatient they could have waited for the sun set pieces to fall into normal price range in a couple months.
The fact that not a single set is sell-able set will come from any end-game PVE is complete joke. The fact that salty pvper's can justify all PVE being crushed because one set was too expensive for them is depressing.
So much this. What they are doing isn't making things better overall, it's worse. Swapping Viper, Elegant, etc to all new BOP sets will ensure I never run another normal Trial. Bad enough they nerfed all normal Trial drops to blues. What this accomplishes is a mass cessation of normal trial runs. PLayers that already have the gear won't bother making it even harder for new players to gear up.
FFS Vicious O, Infalliable, Alkosh and Yokeda were already BoP. Three of which sets are awesome, and couldn't be sold forever. Then they add BoP trading to help guilds/friends/pugs gear themselves, then remove any incentive to help those players by removing all sales of trial gear?
Done with normals and done with vets when i finish gold jewelry sets.3 -
disintegr8✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭I do not care about selling the stuff, I have more gold than I could probably ever use (almost definitely now that stuff is BOP) and only ever sold a handful of dungeon dropped gear that I did not want. I don't even make gear to sell, my gold has come from selling crafting supplies and guild activities.
It would be nice to know why they have made the change and what the benefits are. The economy in the game is still only a game, you want something, someone has it and is prepared to sell it for the right price. If you are willing to pay that price, the item is yours - this is standard marketing.
Maybe ZOS have simply had too many people complaining about the price of top end gear or people are complaining about PVP'ers who have never done any PVE trials and dungeons kicking their behinds in bought gear. If people want to spend their time playing and not making gold, they can not complain that someone else has more money than them to buy good gear with.
Without knowing the logic behind it I am left to the conclusion it is probably either PVP vs PVE or the 'haves' vs the 'have nots'. All I know is that I will be deconstructing a lot of perfectly good top end gear when I might have friends or guildies who could make good use of it.Australian on PS4 NA server.
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Afortunado✭✭✭jeremiah911 wrote: »Are Agility, Willpower and Endurance weapons and jewlery going to be BoP as well?
Unknown (I think?), but they will now be more easily obtained, as they are rewarded for completing daily randoms.2 -
Oompuh✭✭✭✭✭No sets became BoE or BoP. Every set has remained the same from the previous patch. The only thing that has changed is the location.
For example: Silks of the Sun is no longer in Hel Ra but it drops in Stonefalls.
Will pure trials players lose money? Yes. But you can still leave the trial and farm the gear to sell it. Gear will be much more available (100% jewelry drop from dolmens). Trials players will still have good rare gear which are the celestial sets in each trial that are coming back and of course, weeklies. While trials are going back to being money sinks for rare gear, gear will be much more available in the long runXbox NA - Oompa
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✭✭Every set item I am getting from trials is bind on pickup, with 2 hours to trade with anyone you ran the trial with. I have Dreugh King Slayer, Knightmare, Necropetence and Para Bellum pieces, all obtained in the last few days, all bind on pickup.
I know my friend bought his Dreugh King Slayer set but my pieces cannot be sold.Australian on PS4 NA server.
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✭✭Peekachu99 wrote: »Peekachu99 wrote: »You have to play the content to get the gear. What's the issue? You can also trade with anyone else in your party now. Also, a lot of the miscellaneous trial gear has been moved to overworld locations or delves.
I see no issue other than the uber rich 1% who are angry they can't sell their vendor purples anymore. Good, maybe the market can stabilize now to less insane prices.
Thats fair, let me explain the problem to you from a raider perspective.
repair costs = 1k
potions/food= ~8k
gems/repair kits=1k(long runs and such)
so we're looking at a 10k cost per run, now lets say I do 4 vet trials a week. So thats 40k/w = 160k per month. That means that for me to step into trials I am paying 160k per month and getting virtually nothing out of it.
Do a raid less and go get some gold from other places. They like people to do all the content and not just focus on one. So can't see how its ok to get it all from one type of content.
You're getting the challenge. That's what minmaxxers supposedly want. I do. I run vet RoM almost daily, often with pugs, cause I like getting them through the gauntlet. Risk should cost you money. And the reward of exclusive gear still exists. If you're relying on trials as your only source of income, there are dozens of far more lucrative, less intensive ways to make money in this game. Heck, I get 10k in the first 30m of a session just from doing writs on 4 toons. Plus, the chance for tempers etc., which are the only guaranteed source of money in this game. Especially with the intended changes ahead.
By that logic every death in pvp should degrade armor and end of the month rewards heh we dont need those, and every time you sell more X items in a guild store the house cut is higher, and for that matter every writ you do past your first character comes at a 50% loss of reward. Whoever said challenge shouldn't also equal reward was high as a kite and I want some of that.
I enjoy a challenge, I am absolutely one of those "welp we beat our heads against it for four hours...guess we need to come back tomorrow night" kind of players. What I do not enjoy though is doing that THEN doing something completely different to make money. I could understand if different pve content brought in cash besides trial because its still within the realm of pve, but when I have to completely change my style of play to sustain enough money to play then there is a fundamental problem.
You're still getting rewards, you're just not getting ones that you can sell as you have before. Nothing about challenge, participation or personal gratification and personal rewards should change. MMORPGS constantly evolve and change mechanics and rules. Adapt or die. Find a new money maker. It's hardly the most damaging or disruptive change they've made through the game's development. Also, your examples of "logic" run backwards to the basic premise of personal reward and what players would actually tolerate. The number of players annoyed by the proposed changes is surely outweighed by those who won't be.
It's often an angry echo chamber on the forums that hardly represents the player base at large. I'm just going to roll with it, knowing things will be much less cataclysmic than all the Chicken-littling happening atm.2 -
Humatiel✭✭✭✭Peekachu99 wrote: »Peekachu99 wrote: »Peekachu99 wrote: »You have to play the content to get the gear. What's the issue? You can also trade with anyone else in your party now. Also, a lot of the miscellaneous trial gear has been moved to overworld locations or delves.
I see no issue other than the uber rich 1% who are angry they can't sell their vendor purples anymore. Good, maybe the market can stabilize now to less insane prices.
Thats fair, let me explain the problem to you from a raider perspective.
repair costs = 1k
potions/food= ~8k
gems/repair kits=1k(long runs and such)
so we're looking at a 10k cost per run, now lets say I do 4 vet trials a week. So thats 40k/w = 160k per month. That means that for me to step into trials I am paying 160k per month and getting virtually nothing out of it.
Do a raid less and go get some gold from other places. They like people to do all the content and not just focus on one. So can't see how its ok to get it all from one type of content.
You're getting the challenge. That's what minmaxxers supposedly want. I do. I run vet RoM almost daily, often with pugs, cause I like getting them through the gauntlet. Risk should cost you money. And the reward of exclusive gear still exists. If you're relying on trials as your only source of income, there are dozens of far more lucrative, less intensive ways to make money in this game. Heck, I get 10k in the first 30m of a session just from doing writs on 4 toons. Plus, the chance for tempers etc., which are the only guaranteed source of money in this game. Especially with the intended changes ahead.
By that logic every death in pvp should degrade armor and end of the month rewards heh we dont need those, and every time you sell more X items in a guild store the house cut is higher, and for that matter every writ you do past your first character comes at a 50% loss of reward. Whoever said challenge shouldn't also equal reward was high as a kite and I want some of that.
I enjoy a challenge, I am absolutely one of those "welp we beat our heads against it for four hours...guess we need to come back tomorrow night" kind of players. What I do not enjoy though is doing that THEN doing something completely different to make money. I could understand if different pve content brought in cash besides trial because its still within the realm of pve, but when I have to completely change my style of play to sustain enough money to play then there is a fundamental problem.
You're still getting rewards, you're just not getting ones that you can sell as you have before. Nothing about challenge, participation or personal gratification and personal rewards should change. MMORPGS constantly evolve and change mechanics and rules. Adapt or die. Find a new money maker. It's hardly the most damaging or disruptive change they've made through the game's development. Also, your examples of "logic" run backwards to the basic premise of personal reward and what players would actually tolerate. The number of players annoyed by the proposed changes is surely outweighed by those who won't be.
It's often an angry echo chamber on the forums that hardly represents the player base at large. I'm just going to roll with it, knowing things will be much less cataclysmic than all the Chicken-littling happening atm.
For any decent Trials guild the gear is expected, not a reward. When you run 4-5 times a week you will complete all necessary sets inside a month after all. the remaining seven lines were opinion and point of view and while I can respect it as yours its largely irrelevant to the argument at hand.
the fact remains if in pvp you dont have gear damaged on death and can expect to sell AP and get end of the month rewards then it's not unreasonable to assume the same level of expectation from Trials.
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Volrion✭✭✭✭Peekachu99 wrote: »You have to play the content to get the gear. What's the issue? You can also trade with anyone else in your party now. Also, a lot of the miscellaneous trial gear has been moved to overworld locations or delves.
I see no issue other than the uber rich 1% who are angry they can't sell their vendor purples anymore. Good, maybe the market can stabilize now to less insane prices.
Thats fair, let me explain the problem to you from a raider perspective.
repair costs = 1k
potions/food= ~8k
gems/repair kits=1k(long runs and such)
so we're looking at a 10k cost per run, now lets say I do 4 vet trials a week. So thats 40k/w = 160k per month. That means that for me to step into trials I am paying 160k per month and getting virtually nothing out of it.
Do a raid less and go get some gold from other places. They like people to do all the content and not just focus on one. So can't see how its ok to get it all from one type of content.
What if he only wants to raid?
I only enjoy hard mode group content.
Normal PVE is easy mode and a waste of my time.
"Play how you want"
I will likely quit, or play a whole lot less if BOP gets pushed live.
At least my girlfriend will be happy about that...
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jarradarab✭✭✭When i first read this i was like "wtf thats ***" then i realised i made 100k profit in a day from trading motifs and gold mats and literally have only ever sold one item i got from a trial which was a robust ring of agility, and i regret it because i want that set now lol.0
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KingYogi415✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭I make most of my gold flipping items from traders.
What i'm worried about is my guild members who depend on PVE drops to progress.
I was stoked to share my stockpiled trials gear an experience with people who have never ran trials before.
Now I have to re-evaluate my plans...0 -
Bigevilpeter✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Screw BoP I started to enjoy the game more when I could play trials and trade with others to get gold instead of just farming mats all day!!
WTF ZoS you do 1 right move and you couldn't take it and screw it up again????
Whats the point? no seriously why is only pvp players allowed to sell their gear?4 -
Manpoints✭✭✭✭SourishWhale wrote: »Peekachu99 wrote: »You have to play the content to get the gear. What's the issue? You can also trade with anyone else in your party now. Also, a lot of the miscellaneous trial gear has been moved to overworld locations or delves.
I see no issue other than the uber rich 1% who are angry they can't sell their vendor purples anymore. Good, maybe the market can stabilize now to less insane prices.
Thats fair, let me explain the problem to you from a raider perspective.
repair costs = 1k
potions/food= ~8k
gems/repair kits=1k(long runs and such)
so we're looking at a 10k cost per run, now lets say I do 4 vet trials a week. So thats 40k/w = 160k per month. That means that for me to step into trials I am paying 160k per month and getting virtually nothing out of it.
Do a raid less and go get some gold from other places. They like people to do all the content and not just focus on one. So can't see how its ok to get it all from one type of content.
What if he only wants to raid?
I only enjoy hard mode group content.
Normal PVE is easy mode and a waste of my time.
"Play how you want"
I will likely quit, or play a whole lot less if BOP gets pushed live.
At least my girlfriend will be happy about that...
Nice thread, @KingYogi415
I threw a keyboard tonight...
This patch seems...I just...I don't know who makes decisions over there in Baltimore (the gravitational center for smart people obs)but they either don't raid and PVP exclusively or don't play and talk to those that do.
Those wondering if this will make it to live, yes, yes it will, VERY RARELY does ANYTHING get changed from patch notes to live (they even make sure to keep the exploits that get reported on day 1 of PTS!)
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Humatiel✭✭✭✭SourishWhale wrote: »Peekachu99 wrote: »You have to play the content to get the gear. What's the issue? You can also trade with anyone else in your party now. Also, a lot of the miscellaneous trial gear has been moved to overworld locations or delves.
I see no issue other than the uber rich 1% who are angry they can't sell their vendor purples anymore. Good, maybe the market can stabilize now to less insane prices.
Thats fair, let me explain the problem to you from a raider perspective.
repair costs = 1k
potions/food= ~8k
gems/repair kits=1k(long runs and such)
so we're looking at a 10k cost per run, now lets say I do 4 vet trials a week. So thats 40k/w = 160k per month. That means that for me to step into trials I am paying 160k per month and getting virtually nothing out of it.
Do a raid less and go get some gold from other places. They like people to do all the content and not just focus on one. So can't see how its ok to get it all from one type of content.
What if he only wants to raid?
I only enjoy hard mode group content.
Normal PVE is easy mode and a waste of my time.
"Play how you want"
I will likely quit, or play a whole lot less if BOP gets pushed live.
At least my girlfriend will be happy about that...
Nice thread, @KingYogi415
I threw a keyboard tonight...
This patch seems...I just...I don't know who makes decisions over there in Baltimore (the gravitational center for smart people obs)but they either don't raid and PVP exclusively or don't play and talk to those that do.
Those wondering if this will make it to live, yes, yes it will, VERY RARELY does ANYTHING get changed from patch to live (they even make sure to keep the exploits that get reported on day 1 of PTS!)
Ever since ZoS decided to post a video of them using wrecking blow for days in a trial and using liquid lightning as an attack (not a dot) I came to realize they equate about your standard pledge pug.VMA | vHRC-HM | vAA-HM | vSO-HM | vMOL-HM
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Manpoints✭✭✭✭SourishWhale wrote: »Peekachu99 wrote: »You have to play the content to get the gear. What's the issue? You can also trade with anyone else in your party now. Also, a lot of the miscellaneous trial gear has been moved to overworld locations or delves.
I see no issue other than the uber rich 1% who are angry they can't sell their vendor purples anymore. Good, maybe the market can stabilize now to less insane prices.
Thats fair, let me explain the problem to you from a raider perspective.
repair costs = 1k
potions/food= ~8k
gems/repair kits=1k(long runs and such)
so we're looking at a 10k cost per run, now lets say I do 4 vet trials a week. So thats 40k/w = 160k per month. That means that for me to step into trials I am paying 160k per month and getting virtually nothing out of it.
Do a raid less and go get some gold from other places. They like people to do all the content and not just focus on one. So can't see how its ok to get it all from one type of content.
What if he only wants to raid?
I only enjoy hard mode group content.
Normal PVE is easy mode and a waste of my time.
"Play how you want"
I will likely quit, or play a whole lot less if BOP gets pushed live.
At least my girlfriend will be happy about that...
Nice thread, @KingYogi415
I threw a keyboard tonight...
This patch seems...I just...I don't know who makes decisions over there in Baltimore (the gravitational center for smart people obs)but they either don't raid and PVP exclusively or don't play and talk to those that do.
Those wondering if this will make it to live, yes, yes it will, VERY RARELY does ANYTHING get changed from patch to live (they even make sure to keep the exploits that get reported on day 1 of PTS!)
Ever since ZoS decided to post a video of them using wrecking blow for days in a trial and using liquid lightning as an attack (not a dot) I came to realize they equate about your standard pledge pug.
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✭disintegr8 wrote: »I would like to see all of the logic behind BOP. My only thought is that they do not want people to have the gear they have not earned it - such as buying through guilds instead of running the content.
My friend has never set foot in SO but bought a whole Dreugh King Slayer set. Now you have to run the trial and either get the pieces yourself or trade with someone you run it with if they get the piece you want.
As for the survey maps, as I can only get nirncrux from Craglorn and deliberately choose to do Craglorn writs for this reason, does that mean the survey may send me elsewhere with no chance of getting nirncrux?
No point doing the writs if that is going to be the case. With the harvest node changes coming up, every node I come across will be my crafting/character level anyway so without nirncrux, the only other reason for doing the writs would be removed.
So what's the point of trading guilds all that's left is zone drops and crafted sets no community needed. The random number generator is too shoddy to be used as a way to get gear I have zero interest in running a trail all day for six items I will never use and one piece of the set I actually need. All but like 3 of my 12 Characters are max level and have the gear they need.
Being able to get some and buy the rest is great. So what he can buy armor he never grinded for I can sell you my PvP gear without you stepping one foot into Cyrodiil.Chaos Shadow-Scale: Shadow Archer
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✭✭✭✭KingYogi415 wrote: »KingYogi415 wrote: »@Roechacca
I have been a huge supporter of all of ZOS's move's. Most of my comments are telling people to "stop crying about stam builds", and that game is better and more balanced then ever.
This economy meta change plus loot crates is enough for me to want to delete all my characters and find another hobby.
Hopefully they don't somehow completely ruin PVP in the next couple updates or this game will have nothing left for me soon.
This change in where gear sets are available puts gear wanted by PvP players most, in easy to reach places for PvP players so they don't have to buy from dungeon farmers. Maybe you missed that somewhere.
Which I'm fine with. But do you think though these pieces will be any cheaper? Look at the lich set when it first came out, cost 1 mill+ to run.
If people were less impatient they could have waited for the sun set pieces to fall into normal price range in a couple months.
The fact that not a single set is sell-able set will come from any end-game PVE is complete joke. The fact that salty pvper's can justify all PVE being crushed because one set was too expensive for them is depressing.
None the less it's not a driving force to make players leave for other games. The sets are available to people that hunt it down. If enough people complain they might switch some sets back to bind on equip but I wouldn't hold your breath on a time frame.
I've just been around so long now that I'm convinced, short of pulling the plug from the wall, nothing makes anyone around here quit. The player base will live on.
Maybe people won't quit, but there will be people playing less and/or limiting their activities. Right now there is a reason to jump into a random trial group that you see in one of your guild chats. After the patch, experienced players will just stick to their core speed run/progression groups.V16 Uriel Stormblessed EP Magicka Templar(main)
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Slylok✭✭✭What will guild traders be used for now? Mats? Food? Potions? And?
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Manpoints✭✭✭✭What will guild traders be used for now? Mats? Food? Potions? And?
Dumb move.
Well this is the thing, I log on, all trade guilds complaining, RPers complaining, PVE guilds losing their ***....
Who is this for again? Who is jumping up and down "yay, I can go farm dolmens in stonefalls for a low drop rate item that everyone will have!"Edited by Manpoints on September 6, 2016 2:36PMGM of Potato Syndicate, (Gone' Casual) ---- I'MZ A GOD!
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CromulentForumID✭✭✭✭mitchtheelder wrote: »Columbine goes for 1k after this patch. Lol
It's not too far from that on a lot of the PS4 NA stores.1 -
CromulentForumID✭✭✭✭To me the biggest issue with everything being BOP is space. Not only will we be farming till we get the piece and trait we want but we will be forced to stash all the pieces of other sets just so we won't have to try to grind them out later. At this point in time I have a bank full of sets I want to keep simply because they are BOP. If it was possible to buy those sets to try them out I would have so much bank space.
The cynical among us would point to the crafting bad and say "It's all part of the plan..."
I'm not there yet. Getting closer
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Anslay✭✭✭Saucy_Jack wrote: »
My beef is that as a consequence of this decision by ZOS, a whole sector of the economy is being wiped out. And the Good Lord knows that the economy in this game needs all the help it can get.
Those top end players are not rich; they're struggling for cash as it is because it's EXPENSIVE to run trials and the drop rates do not give them a great income, but at least it gives them something to incentivize them to run the content and can potentially cover some of their costs. There's hope for a great drop that translates to replenishing the bank account... this is exciting!
I hope this is promptly reversed. The last time everything went BoP, there was very low player satisfaction in this game's end-game community and I remember when everyone celebrated the choice ZOS made to make many items BoE with the following patch.
A good mix is BoE and BoP is where it's at; players can buy decent gear to get started and then earn the pieces of the top end set along the way to tweak their builds. Players will also have the means of making some gold to cover their expenses and an incentive to run the trials more. This will encourage them to want to bring up new players.
Making everything BoP is awful for the economy and awful for trials groups.Edited by Anslay on September 6, 2016 3:17PMGM Ethereal Traders Union | Ethereal Traders Union II5 -
KingYogi415✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭The fact is their is Imbalance between he rich and the poor in this game.
We need Expensive items to buy or else the economy becomes stagnant
If people are buying gear for 180K it's because they have that gold to burn, Now a broke new player that sold a AGI robust ring can upgrade ONE piece of gear to gold. The other option is about 4 hours grinding leather. Which way sounds more fun and will retain a player base? Hmmm
Now motif's will be the only thing money dump that goes back into the community.2 -
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I never said there was anything wrong anyone buying any gear, good luck to him. I think it is a good thing that we have the freedom in the game to manage our characters as we want. You can spend gold and get things quickly or you can 'grind' and do without until you pick it up or can make it yourself - the choice is yours and there is no right or wrong."kendellking_chaosb14_ESO wrote: »...
Being able to get some and buy the rest is great. So what he can buy armor he never grinded for I can sell you my PvP gear without you stepping one foot into Cyrodiil.
All I am suggesting that barring any other reason for this change, it may be ZOS that has an issue with people buying the good gear for some reason. I would like to see as explanation from ZOS as to why the change was made and what the benefits are.
Edited by disintegr8 on September 6, 2016 9:56PMAustralian on PS4 NA server.
Everyone's entitled to an opinion.0 -
FortheloveofKrist✭✭✭✭✭
✭YAY! Make all of it BoP! If you don't find it yourself, you don't get to have it.
I don't think all the overland sets are BoP, but I wish ZoS would make them all BoP.
Do it, ZoS. DO IT! I will sleep soundly to all the crying and temper tantrums sure to flood the forums.
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NoMoreChillies✭✭✭✭✭
✭IF their intention is to get more people doing trials, they will achieve the opposite.Insulting people on the internet is cowardly.3
