So sick of being kicked from groups I'm done for now

Brrrofski · September 2016

While I do see your point and sympathise OP, you also have to look at the other side.

For normal dungeons, most vet dungeons and normal trials I don't care. I'll take anyone. No matter what their cp is or how experienced they are.

Some things though such as hard mode on the two new dungeons and even icp/wgt still, I want a team who not only know the mechanics, but can burn things quick so farming is quicker. With 80cp you do a significant amount less damage than someone at cap. That's a fact.

We all have limited time on the game. Sometimes I just want to smash a dugeon quick. It's nothing personal.

The timer though should not apply if you get kicked from group, I certainly agree with that.

Aurielle · September 2016

Brrrofski wrote: »

While I do see your point and sympathise OP, you also have to look at the other side.

For normal dungeons, most vet dungeons and normal trials I don't care. I'll take anyone. No matter what their cp is or how experienced they are.

Some things though such as hard mode on the two new dungeons and even icp/wgt still, I want a team who not only know the mechanics, but can burn things quick so farming is quicker. With 80cp you do a significant amount less damage than someone at cap. That's a fact.

We all have limited time on the game. Sometimes I just want to smash a dugeon quick. It's nothing personal.

The timer though should not apply if you get kicked from group, I certainly agree with that.

That's totally fair, Brrofski, but here's one of the key points from the OP's post:

Deathgiggle wrote: »

IWait about 10 minutes and get into a group but before I can even leave Grahtwood and port there one guy says we gonna do the normal and then the vet after? Someone else says yeah that's fine and then the first guy says well we need to drop this level 80 cause he won't be able to do the vet. I tell them I'll leave after the normal but 5 seconds later I get removed from the group and PENALTY AGAIN!

He said that he could leave after the normal, and they still kicked him. Not fair at all. An 80CP player who knows the dungeon mechanics, gears well, doesn't stand in stupid, and listens to the leader will have no problem pulling his or her weight in a normal dungeon.

Brrrofski · September 2016

Aurielle wrote: »

Brrrofski wrote: »

While I do see your point and sympathise OP, you also have to look at the other side.

For normal dungeons, most vet dungeons and normal trials I don't care. I'll take anyone. No matter what their cp is or how experienced they are.

Some things though such as hard mode on the two new dungeons and even icp/wgt still, I want a team who not only know the mechanics, but can burn things quick so farming is quicker. With 80cp you do a significant amount less damage than someone at cap. That's a fact.

We all have limited time on the game. Sometimes I just want to smash a dugeon quick. It's nothing personal.

The timer though should not apply if you get kicked from group, I certainly agree with that.

That's totally fair, Brrofski, but here's one of the key points from the OP's post:

Deathgiggle wrote: »

IWait about 10 minutes and get into a group but before I can even leave Grahtwood and port there one guy says we gonna do the normal and then the vet after? Someone else says yeah that's fine and then the first guy says well we need to drop this level 80 cause he won't be able to do the vet. I tell them I'll leave after the normal but 5 seconds later I get removed from the group and PENALTY AGAIN!

He said that he could leave after the normal, and they still kicked him. Not fair at all. An 80CP player who knows the dungeon mechanics, gears well, doesn't stand in stupid, and listens to the leader will have no problem pulling his or her weight in a normal dungeon.

Nah, I know. Some people want high cp players because they we secretly hope it will help hold them up.

The amount of 531 players that stand in stupid and die is unbelievable. I'd rather someone who knows mechanics. But for work content, like no death runs for pets and skins for instance, I wanted know they're competent and have damage/heals/survivability.

Ghost-Shot · September 2016

You can't even use max level gear yet, go get some CP rather than expecting others to carry you.

UrQuan · September 2016

Ghost-Shot wrote: »

You can't even use max level gear yet, go get some CP rather than expecting others to carry you.

lol you think people need max-level gear to do non-vet dungeons? You think a scaled-up CP80 would need to be "carried" through a non-vet dungeon? Hell, there are only a couple of vet dungeons where I'd be even a little concerned about someone based on their amount of CP, let alone non-vet.

wayfarerx · September 2016

UrQuan wrote: »

Ghost-Shot wrote: »

You can't even use max level gear yet, go get some CP rather than expecting others to carry you.

lol you think people need max-level gear to do non-vet dungeons? You think a scaled-up CP80 would need to be "carried" through a non-vet dungeon? Hell, there are only a couple of vet dungeons where I'd be even a little concerned about someone based on their amount of CP, let alone non-vet.

Dude have you fought the first boss in normal Banished Cells?! No way I'm going up against that with anyone under CP cap or not in golden BiS gear.

/sarcasm

UrQuan · September 2016

wayfarerx wrote: »

UrQuan wrote: »

Ghost-Shot wrote: »

You can't even use max level gear yet, go get some CP rather than expecting others to carry you.

lol you think people need max-level gear to do non-vet dungeons? You think a scaled-up CP80 would need to be "carried" through a non-vet dungeon? Hell, there are only a couple of vet dungeons where I'd be even a little concerned about someone based on their amount of CP, let alone non-vet.

Dude have you fought the first boss in normal Banished Cells?! No way I'm going up against that with anyone under CP cap or not in golden BiS gear.

/sarcasm

We really need the lol button back right?

wayfarerx · September 2016

UrQuan wrote: »

wayfarerx wrote: »

UrQuan wrote: »

Ghost-Shot wrote: »

You can't even use max level gear yet, go get some CP rather than expecting others to carry you.

lol you think people need max-level gear to do non-vet dungeons? You think a scaled-up CP80 would need to be "carried" through a non-vet dungeon? Hell, there are only a couple of vet dungeons where I'd be even a little concerned about someone based on their amount of CP, let alone non-vet.

Dude have you fought the first boss in normal Banished Cells?! No way I'm going up against that with anyone under CP cap or not in golden BiS gear.

/sarcasm

We really need the lol button back right?

I mention normal Banished Cells because, when it was last up as the silver pledge, I used the grouping tool and got put with three non champions all around level 16-28 or so. I know they were not champion rank because at the first boss they were talking in group chat about how tough he was and how many times they had wiped on him before.

I was on my mageblade healer, so I could probably solo nBC while drunk with a significant head injury. But guess what... it was actually a lot of fun to do that dungeon with noobs. They were super excited every time we wrecked a boss and the whole experience was great. Yeah I carried them a bit, but they were pretty good about getting out of red and I don't think we had a group member die.

Anyone who needs cp160+ to run a normal dungeon is not only admitting that they need to be carried, but is actually missing out on an opportunity for great fun and making new friends (I think one of the noobs friended me, IDK I actually was a little drunk).

Aurielle · September 2016

Ghost-Shot wrote: »

You can't even use max level gear yet, go get some CP rather than expecting others to carry you.

OP is referring to random normals. Random. Normals.

Ghost-Shot · September 2016

UrQuan wrote: »

Ghost-Shot wrote: »

You can't even use max level gear yet, go get some CP rather than expecting others to carry you.

lol you think people need max-level gear to do non-vet dungeons? You think a scaled-up CP80 would need to be "carried" through a non-vet dungeon? Hell, there are only a couple of vet dungeons where I'd be even a little concerned about someone based on their amount of CP, let alone non-vet.

Personally no, I know I can solo dps those dungeons so I don't give a ***. But it is 100% reasonable for someone to expect a player to be properly leveled and geared to the level of the instance they are running.

wayfarerx · September 2016

Ghost-Shot wrote: »

UrQuan wrote: »

Ghost-Shot wrote: »

You can't even use max level gear yet, go get some CP rather than expecting others to carry you.

lol you think people need max-level gear to do non-vet dungeons? You think a scaled-up CP80 would need to be "carried" through a non-vet dungeon? Hell, there are only a couple of vet dungeons where I'd be even a little concerned about someone based on their amount of CP, let alone non-vet.

Personally no, I know I can solo dps those dungeons so I don't give a ***. But it is 100% reasonable for someone to expect a player to be properly leveled and geared to the level of the instance they are running.

So, like level 12 or 18 or whatever for normal Banished Cells or normal Darkshade?

UrQuan · September 2016

wayfarerx wrote: »

Ghost-Shot wrote: »

UrQuan wrote: »

Ghost-Shot wrote: »

You can't even use max level gear yet, go get some CP rather than expecting others to carry you.

lol you think people need max-level gear to do non-vet dungeons? You think a scaled-up CP80 would need to be "carried" through a non-vet dungeon? Hell, there are only a couple of vet dungeons where I'd be even a little concerned about someone based on their amount of CP, let alone non-vet.

Personally no, I know I can solo dps those dungeons so I don't give a ***. But it is 100% reasonable for someone to expect a player to be properly leveled and geared to the level of the instance they are running.

So, like level 12 or 18 or whatever for normal Banished Cells or normal Darkshade?

Exactly!

Ghost-Shot · September 2016

wayfarerx wrote: »

Ghost-Shot wrote: »

UrQuan wrote: »

Ghost-Shot wrote: »

You can't even use max level gear yet, go get some CP rather than expecting others to carry you.

lol you think people need max-level gear to do non-vet dungeons? You think a scaled-up CP80 would need to be "carried" through a non-vet dungeon? Hell, there are only a couple of vet dungeons where I'd be even a little concerned about someone based on their amount of CP, let alone non-vet.

Personally no, I know I can solo dps those dungeons so I don't give a ***. But it is 100% reasonable for someone to expect a player to be properly leveled and geared to the level of the instance they are running.

So, like level 12 or 18 or whatever for normal Banished Cells or normal Darkshade?

There is no set level for it, the instance scales to the group lead so if the group lead is over 160 cp it will be scaled to 160. You guys seem to think I said somewhere that its necessary to have BiS gold gear for this which I never said, most of the time for dungeons I dont even bother to change out of my pvp gear/cp spec. But being the appropriate level isn't unreasonable.

UrQuan · September 2016

Ghost-Shot wrote: »

wayfarerx wrote: »

Ghost-Shot wrote: »

UrQuan wrote: »

Ghost-Shot wrote: »

You can't even use max level gear yet, go get some CP rather than expecting others to carry you.

lol you think people need max-level gear to do non-vet dungeons? You think a scaled-up CP80 would need to be "carried" through a non-vet dungeon? Hell, there are only a couple of vet dungeons where I'd be even a little concerned about someone based on their amount of CP, let alone non-vet.

Personally no, I know I can solo dps those dungeons so I don't give a ***. But it is 100% reasonable for someone to expect a player to be properly leveled and geared to the level of the instance they are running.

So, like level 12 or 18 or whatever for normal Banished Cells or normal Darkshade?

There is no set level for it, the instance scales to the group lead so if the group lead is over 160 cp it will be scaled to 160.

*facepalm*
OK, so I see you don't know anything about the levels the dungeons were designed for...

wayfarerx · September 2016

Ghost-Shot wrote: »

wayfarerx wrote: »

Ghost-Shot wrote: »

UrQuan wrote: »

Ghost-Shot wrote: »

You can't even use max level gear yet, go get some CP rather than expecting others to carry you.

lol you think people need max-level gear to do non-vet dungeons? You think a scaled-up CP80 would need to be "carried" through a non-vet dungeon? Hell, there are only a couple of vet dungeons where I'd be even a little concerned about someone based on their amount of CP, let alone non-vet.

Personally no, I know I can solo dps those dungeons so I don't give a ***. But it is 100% reasonable for someone to expect a player to be properly leveled and geared to the level of the instance they are running.

So, like level 12 or 18 or whatever for normal Banished Cells or normal Darkshade?

There is no set level for it, the instance scales to the group lead so if the group lead is over 160 cp it will be scaled to 160.

Yeah, scaling is cool, but what would you consider "properly leveled and geared" for a normal dungeon?

Ghost-Shot · September 2016

wayfarerx wrote: »

Ghost-Shot wrote: »

wayfarerx wrote: »

Ghost-Shot wrote: »

UrQuan wrote: »

Ghost-Shot wrote: »

You can't even use max level gear yet, go get some CP rather than expecting others to carry you.

lol you think people need max-level gear to do non-vet dungeons? You think a scaled-up CP80 would need to be "carried" through a non-vet dungeon? Hell, there are only a couple of vet dungeons where I'd be even a little concerned about someone based on their amount of CP, let alone non-vet.

Personally no, I know I can solo dps those dungeons so I don't give a ***. But it is 100% reasonable for someone to expect a player to be properly leveled and geared to the level of the instance they are running.

So, like level 12 or 18 or whatever for normal Banished Cells or normal Darkshade?

There is no set level for it, the instance scales to the group lead so if the group lead is over 160 cp it will be scaled to 160.

Yeah, scaling is cool, but what would you consider "properly leveled and geared" for a normal dungeon?

The level the instance is scaled to, obviously many players would be capable anyway but how does an lfg group know you can manage it?

Beardimus · September 2016

Man this thread has amazed me, I assumed everyone would 100% back the OP. its a game, random normal dungeons are for all. I see no reason why you would bin someone purely on their level / rank. Give people a chance!

Elites going for speed runs, or no death, I hear ya - you don't want issues, but surely you would form a Group with guild mates rather than go random.

UrQuan · September 2016

Ghost-Shot wrote: »

wayfarerx wrote: »

Ghost-Shot wrote: »

wayfarerx wrote: »

Ghost-Shot wrote: »

UrQuan wrote: »

Ghost-Shot wrote: »

You can't even use max level gear yet, go get some CP rather than expecting others to carry you.

lol you think people need max-level gear to do non-vet dungeons? You think a scaled-up CP80 would need to be "carried" through a non-vet dungeon? Hell, there are only a couple of vet dungeons where I'd be even a little concerned about someone based on their amount of CP, let alone non-vet.

Personally no, I know I can solo dps those dungeons so I don't give a ***. But it is 100% reasonable for someone to expect a player to be properly leveled and geared to the level of the instance they are running.

So, like level 12 or 18 or whatever for normal Banished Cells or normal Darkshade?

There is no set level for it, the instance scales to the group lead so if the group lead is over 160 cp it will be scaled to 160.

Yeah, scaling is cool, but what would you consider "properly leveled and geared" for a normal dungeon?

The level the instance is scaled to.

So you're also not aware that the group finder scales up anyone who is below 160? So that they're effectively properly leveled and geared (assuming that they are decently geared for their actual level)?

Ghost-Shot · September 2016

UrQuan wrote: »

Ghost-Shot wrote: »

wayfarerx wrote: »

Ghost-Shot wrote: »

UrQuan wrote: »

Ghost-Shot wrote: »

You can't even use max level gear yet, go get some CP rather than expecting others to carry you.

lol you think people need max-level gear to do non-vet dungeons? You think a scaled-up CP80 would need to be "carried" through a non-vet dungeon? Hell, there are only a couple of vet dungeons where I'd be even a little concerned about someone based on their amount of CP, let alone non-vet.

Personally no, I know I can solo dps those dungeons so I don't give a ***. But it is 100% reasonable for someone to expect a player to be properly leveled and geared to the level of the instance they are running.

So, like level 12 or 18 or whatever for normal Banished Cells or normal Darkshade?

There is no set level for it, the instance scales to the group lead so if the group lead is over 160 cp it will be scaled to 160.

*facepalm*
OK, so I see you don't know anything about the levels the dungeons were designed for...

I'm well aware of how they were designed, does that mean they don't scale now? I've done like 2 or 3 normal dungeons in the last 2 years

SolarCat02 · September 2016

Ghost-Shot wrote: »

wayfarerx wrote: »

Ghost-Shot wrote: »

UrQuan wrote: »

Ghost-Shot wrote: »

You can't even use max level gear yet, go get some CP rather than expecting others to carry you.

lol you think people need max-level gear to do non-vet dungeons? You think a scaled-up CP80 would need to be "carried" through a non-vet dungeon? Hell, there are only a couple of vet dungeons where I'd be even a little concerned about someone based on their amount of CP, let alone non-vet.

Personally no, I know I can solo dps those dungeons so I don't give a ***. But it is 100% reasonable for someone to expect a player to be properly leveled and geared to the level of the instance they are running.

So, like level 12 or 18 or whatever for normal Banished Cells or normal Darkshade?

There is no set level for it, the instance scales to the group lead so if the group lead is over 160 cp it will be scaled to 160.

And the group finder scales everyone up to CP160.

Just like Cyrodiil does.
Just like the DLC does.
Just like One Tamriel will do.

Lower levels actually have better stats that characters not scaled.

So yes, a CP80 can't wear CP160 gear, but currently a CP80 in CP80 gear has better stats than that same build at CP160 in CP160 gear.

Heck, my Stamplar had much better stats at level 40 in unenchanted level 10 training gear than she does now in her CP160 stuff.

Ghost-Shot · September 2016

UrQuan wrote: »

Ghost-Shot wrote: »

wayfarerx wrote: »

Ghost-Shot wrote: »

wayfarerx wrote: »

Ghost-Shot wrote: »

UrQuan wrote: »

Ghost-Shot wrote: »

You can't even use max level gear yet, go get some CP rather than expecting others to carry you.

lol you think people need max-level gear to do non-vet dungeons? You think a scaled-up CP80 would need to be "carried" through a non-vet dungeon? Hell, there are only a couple of vet dungeons where I'd be even a little concerned about someone based on their amount of CP, let alone non-vet.

Personally no, I know I can solo dps those dungeons so I don't give a ***. But it is 100% reasonable for someone to expect a player to be properly leveled and geared to the level of the instance they are running.

So, like level 12 or 18 or whatever for normal Banished Cells or normal Darkshade?

There is no set level for it, the instance scales to the group lead so if the group lead is over 160 cp it will be scaled to 160.

Yeah, scaling is cool, but what would you consider "properly leveled and geared" for a normal dungeon?

The level the instance is scaled to.

So you're also not aware that the group finder scales up anyone who is below 160? So that they're effectively properly leveled and geared (assuming that they are decently geared for their actual level)?

Never used lfg so I actually didn't know is did that, is it battle leveling?

UrQuan · September 2016

Ghost-Shot wrote: »

UrQuan wrote: »

Ghost-Shot wrote: »

wayfarerx wrote: »

Ghost-Shot wrote: »

UrQuan wrote: »

Ghost-Shot wrote: »

You can't even use max level gear yet, go get some CP rather than expecting others to carry you.

lol you think people need max-level gear to do non-vet dungeons? You think a scaled-up CP80 would need to be "carried" through a non-vet dungeon? Hell, there are only a couple of vet dungeons where I'd be even a little concerned about someone based on their amount of CP, let alone non-vet.

Personally no, I know I can solo dps those dungeons so I don't give a ***. But it is 100% reasonable for someone to expect a player to be properly leveled and geared to the level of the instance they are running.

So, like level 12 or 18 or whatever for normal Banished Cells or normal Darkshade?

There is no set level for it, the instance scales to the group lead so if the group lead is over 160 cp it will be scaled to 160.

*facepalm*
OK, so I see you don't know anything about the levels the dungeons were designed for...

I'm well aware of how they were designed, does that mean they don't scale now? I've done like 2 or 3 normal dungeons in the last 2 years

So why would you jump in with such an ill-informed opinion when you don't even do dungeons?

Ghost-Shot · September 2016

UrQuan wrote: »

Ghost-Shot wrote: »

UrQuan wrote: »

Ghost-Shot wrote: »

wayfarerx wrote: »

Ghost-Shot wrote: »

UrQuan wrote: »

Ghost-Shot wrote: »

You can't even use max level gear yet, go get some CP rather than expecting others to carry you.

lol you think people need max-level gear to do non-vet dungeons? You think a scaled-up CP80 would need to be "carried" through a non-vet dungeon? Hell, there are only a couple of vet dungeons where I'd be even a little concerned about someone based on their amount of CP, let alone non-vet.

Personally no, I know I can solo dps those dungeons so I don't give a ***. But it is 100% reasonable for someone to expect a player to be properly leveled and geared to the level of the instance they are running.

So, like level 12 or 18 or whatever for normal Banished Cells or normal Darkshade?

There is no set level for it, the instance scales to the group lead so if the group lead is over 160 cp it will be scaled to 160.

*facepalm*
OK, so I see you don't know anything about the levels the dungeons were designed for...

I'm well aware of how they were designed, does that mean they don't scale now? I've done like 2 or 3 normal dungeons in the last 2 years

So why would you jump in with such an ill-informed opinion when you don't even do dungeons?

Because I don't think its unreasonable for a group to expect someone at that level, but like I said I didn't know it battle levels you. I do lots of dungeons, just not normals.

UrQuan · September 2016

Ghost-Shot wrote: »

UrQuan wrote: »

Ghost-Shot wrote: »

UrQuan wrote: »

Ghost-Shot wrote: »

wayfarerx wrote: »

Ghost-Shot wrote: »

UrQuan wrote: »

Ghost-Shot wrote: »

You can't even use max level gear yet, go get some CP rather than expecting others to carry you.

lol you think people need max-level gear to do non-vet dungeons? You think a scaled-up CP80 would need to be "carried" through a non-vet dungeon? Hell, there are only a couple of vet dungeons where I'd be even a little concerned about someone based on their amount of CP, let alone non-vet.

Personally no, I know I can solo dps those dungeons so I don't give a ***. But it is 100% reasonable for someone to expect a player to be properly leveled and geared to the level of the instance they are running.

So, like level 12 or 18 or whatever for normal Banished Cells or normal Darkshade?

There is no set level for it, the instance scales to the group lead so if the group lead is over 160 cp it will be scaled to 160.

*facepalm*
OK, so I see you don't know anything about the levels the dungeons were designed for...

I'm well aware of how they were designed, does that mean they don't scale now? I've done like 2 or 3 normal dungeons in the last 2 years

So why would you jump in with such an ill-informed opinion when you don't even do dungeons?

Because I don't think its unreasonable for a group to expect someone at that level, but like I said I didn't know it battle levels you.

If group dungeons and the group finder didn't work at all like they do, then it wouldn't be unreasonable. But they do work the way they do, so it is unreasonable.

Graydon · September 2016

I like to think of the random group finder as truly random :-)

A dungeon is random along with your groupmates. I would say The majority of my runs have been fun experiences.

It's a shame there are players like that out there OP. Most players are not that selfish or self-centered.

After you've had a successful run add the group names to your friends list. Soon enough you'll have choices and opportunities to make your own groups

wayfarerx · September 2016

SolarCat02 wrote: »

Ghost-Shot wrote: »

wayfarerx wrote: »

Ghost-Shot wrote: »

UrQuan wrote: »

Ghost-Shot wrote: »

You can't even use max level gear yet, go get some CP rather than expecting others to carry you.

lol you think people need max-level gear to do non-vet dungeons? You think a scaled-up CP80 would need to be "carried" through a non-vet dungeon? Hell, there are only a couple of vet dungeons where I'd be even a little concerned about someone based on their amount of CP, let alone non-vet.

Personally no, I know I can solo dps those dungeons so I don't give a ***. But it is 100% reasonable for someone to expect a player to be properly leveled and geared to the level of the instance they are running.

So, like level 12 or 18 or whatever for normal Banished Cells or normal Darkshade?

There is no set level for it, the instance scales to the group lead so if the group lead is over 160 cp it will be scaled to 160.

And the group finder scales everyone up to CP160.

Just like Cyrodiil does.
Just like the DLC does.
Just like One Tamriel will do.

Lower levels actually have better stats that characters not scaled.

So yes, a CP80 can't wear CP160 gear, but currently a CP80 in CP80 gear has better stats than that same build at CP160 in CP160 gear.

Heck, my Stamplar had much better stats at level 40 in unenchanted level 10 training gear than she does now in her CP160 stuff.

This week I finally upgraded my mageblade's gear to gold and got him all tricked out. I now almost, almost, have as much max magicka as I used to have when he was v2 and getting scaled up.

Scaling is OP.

vamp_emily · September 2016

To all PC/NA players ( that are kind to other players )

Ditch the group finder tool and join our group 'Friendly Dungeon Runners'. It is a new guild and we have a little over 70 players now that like to do dungeons.

Why should you join?

1. You will not get kicked from the group unless you are really mean to others.
2. Play in a friendly environment
3. Do dungeons when you want to do them, and not wait for hours to find a group.

Join us and if you don't like it then you can easly leave the guild.

Creating this guild has been the best thing I have done in the game, I no longer have to spend hours sitting in the group finder just to hear people yell at each other.

If you don't have much time to play the game, you can shoot me an email and I can set up an event for a future date. For example, if you know you will be playing on Saturday. I can inform all the players that you are looking for a group Saturday morning.

Also when i am playing the game, I am sitting on the sidelines making sure you get your group. If you only have 3 players then I will volunteer ( most the time ).

Well anyways, sad to hear about your experience, but it really doesn't have to end like that. Join 'Friendly Dungeon Runners', you can contact me in game @vamp.emily. For more info on the guild click the link below.

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/comment/3320287/#Comment_3320287

Soleya · September 2016

SolarCat02 wrote: »

Ghost-Shot wrote: »

wayfarerx wrote: »

Ghost-Shot wrote: »

UrQuan wrote: »

Ghost-Shot wrote: »

You can't even use max level gear yet, go get some CP rather than expecting others to carry you.

lol you think people need max-level gear to do non-vet dungeons? You think a scaled-up CP80 would need to be "carried" through a non-vet dungeon? Hell, there are only a couple of vet dungeons where I'd be even a little concerned about someone based on their amount of CP, let alone non-vet.

Personally no, I know I can solo dps those dungeons so I don't give a ***. But it is 100% reasonable for someone to expect a player to be properly leveled and geared to the level of the instance they are running.

So, like level 12 or 18 or whatever for normal Banished Cells or normal Darkshade?

There is no set level for it, the instance scales to the group lead so if the group lead is over 160 cp it will be scaled to 160.

And the group finder scales everyone up to CP160.

Just like Cyrodiil does.
Just like the DLC does.
Just like One Tamriel will do.

Lower levels actually have better stats that characters not scaled.

So yes, a CP80 can't wear CP160 gear, but currently a CP80 in CP80 gear has better stats than that same build at CP160 in CP160 gear.

Heck, my Stamplar had much better stats at level 40 in unenchanted level 10 training gear than she does now in her CP160 stuff.

Battle leveling gives massively better stats. I really wish my Templar healer who is now CP531 had the same stats as when I did dungeons in my mid level 20s.

36k Health, 44k Magicka, 2800 magicka regen. 2k spell damage (the only stat that was lower than now). Other others more than make up for it.

Another thing people seem to forget is that you may be running a dungeon with a level 30 player who has 531 champion points and have no idea. You also can't tell by numbers how many times they've run the dungeon or how good they are.

Aurielle · September 2016

Ghost-Shot wrote: »

UrQuan wrote: »

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UrQuan wrote: »

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wayfarerx wrote: »

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You can't even use max level gear yet, go get some CP rather than expecting others to carry you.

lol you think people need max-level gear to do non-vet dungeons? You think a scaled-up CP80 would need to be "carried" through a non-vet dungeon? Hell, there are only a couple of vet dungeons where I'd be even a little concerned about someone based on their amount of CP, let alone non-vet.

Personally no, I know I can solo dps those dungeons so I don't give a ***. But it is 100% reasonable for someone to expect a player to be properly leveled and geared to the level of the instance they are running.

So, like level 12 or 18 or whatever for normal Banished Cells or normal Darkshade?

There is no set level for it, the instance scales to the group lead so if the group lead is over 160 cp it will be scaled to 160.

*facepalm*
OK, so I see you don't know anything about the levels the dungeons were designed for...

I'm well aware of how they were designed, does that mean they don't scale now? I've done like 2 or 3 normal dungeons in the last 2 years

So why would you jump in with such an ill-informed opinion when you don't even do dungeons?

Because I don't think its unreasonable for a group to expect someone at that level, but like I said I didn't know it battle levels you. I do lots of dungeons, just not normals.

Yeah, it is unreasonable to expect everyone in the group to be the same level as the leader, because everything scales to the leader's level. The only thing a scaled player is potentially missing is skill points, CP, and appropriate set gear. That being said, you could have a level 45 alt with all the skill points they need, good gear, and a boatload of CP earned through their main, and someone like you (who judges low level players first without actually understanding how scaling actually works in dungeons) would go ahead and boot that player for no reason whatsoever.

Also, lower level dungeons (e.g. Banished Cells, Fungal Grotto) were designed with low level players who lack CP in mind. Even scaled at CP 160, those dungeons are much easier than something like WGT. It is LAUGHABLE to think that you'd be "carrying" a scaled player who knows what he or she is doing when running those easier dungeons, esp. at normal difficulty.

s7732425ub17_ESO · September 2016

UrQuan wrote: »

Ghost-Shot wrote: »

wayfarerx wrote: »

Ghost-Shot wrote: »

wayfarerx wrote: »

Ghost-Shot wrote: »

UrQuan wrote: »

Ghost-Shot wrote: »

You can't even use max level gear yet, go get some CP rather than expecting others to carry you.

lol you think people need max-level gear to do non-vet dungeons? You think a scaled-up CP80 would need to be "carried" through a non-vet dungeon? Hell, there are only a couple of vet dungeons where I'd be even a little concerned about someone based on their amount of CP, let alone non-vet.

Personally no, I know I can solo dps those dungeons so I don't give a ***. But it is 100% reasonable for someone to expect a player to be properly leveled and geared to the level of the instance they are running.

So, like level 12 or 18 or whatever for normal Banished Cells or normal Darkshade?

There is no set level for it, the instance scales to the group lead so if the group lead is over 160 cp it will be scaled to 160.

Yeah, scaling is cool, but what would you consider "properly leveled and geared" for a normal dungeon?

The level the instance is scaled to.

So you're also not aware that the group finder scales up anyone who is below 160? So that they're effectively properly leveled and geared (assuming that they are decently geared for their actual level)?

No, it does not work like this.

First of all, if we are talking about really low levels (such as level 20 players), they will not have access to all skills that endgame players use in normal rotations. So you are playing with people who only have the first 3 skills unlocked in each skill line (if even that!) and also maybe not even morphed correctly (if morphed at all!).

Also, the scaling does not affect player skill. If you are talking about new players, no matter if the scaling gives them 30k HP, they will still repeatedly be one-shot by certain boss mechanics simply because they haven't learned how to play the game yet. Great example- first boss of Banished Cells normal- it does an *interruptible* one-shot cast (boss version of frost clench). If you interrupt, you don't die. If you don't interrupt and you are not the tank, you will die. New players will not interrupt and will repeatedly wipe. Great example- second boss in normal Blackheart Haven. This boss channels an attack that kills multiple people, but it can be interrupted. Groups repeatedly wipe here for the same reason.

Also, seriously? Properly geared before CP160? Yea.... no. Anyone before that level wears a hodgepodge of gear that is nowhere near properly geared.