I’d like to preface this thread with a summary of Lt. Parker Barnes explanation, during the opening scene of Virtuosity, as to why he shot through a bunch of civilians in order to get to sid 6. whatever: “it’s just a game”
So, I see there are a few “hot” topic buttons for a large number of players: cancerous/one shot builds; T-bagging; the jesus beam; monkey dodge rolling shufflers; just about everything Zos tries to do with their updates; and, last but not least – ganking…
please, stay focused and try to keep it light…I thoroughly enjoy eso and I think it’s super cool to be able to communicate with others whom share my passion for the game…
please try to be nice, or, at least civil – even if you’re totally convinced someone’s else’s thoughts must be the product of the spawn of satan…please, leave your fighting in the game
okay, here we go - so I’m blessed with a few really good lifelong friends, one of whom I’m fortunate enough to game with…he was a fairly successful collegiate athlete and has the whole honor and integrity thing going on that he naturally carries into the game – it is absolutely hilarious to hear him go on about nightblades ganking folks, he’ll be going on about the cowards who won’t fight you straight up – literally while we are both playing NB’s waiting in stealth for some poor hapless soul to ride by to join “the battle” so we can kill them as quickly and silently as possible...
It’s kinda like getting mad at your cat for leaving a dead mouse or bird on your doorstep – why else do I have all these bonuses for attacking from stealth…
I assume the moment I leave my home base – I am officially on the menu…it didn’t take me too long to figure out that unless I was with a group or inside a keep – I needed to put my character in stealth…it was funny watching my buddy learn this lesson, I tried to explain it to him, but, I had to let us get wiped a few times before he really caught on…it’s such a part of my wiring now I even do it Wayrest and Rawl’kha at times when I’m buying stuff, ugh…
I have six characters (3 vet, 3 non vet, all classes, all aliances) all in PS4/NA’s most populated map – people try to gank me all the time – BUT (big butt) I don’t have every single attribute point stuck into either magicka or stamina, so 8 or 9 out of ten times it just doesn’t work for them - I’ve actually learned how to position my non-vets to use them as “bait”…I think people have caught on to that one though, cuz it’s hard for me sometimes to get folks to come off the walls for some friendly dueling…my biggest issue with my NB now is that I find myself all alone and way behind enemy lines all the time after a big fight…
If I feel like hunting, I prefer to do it around the outside of keeps and outposts…I solo cyro and IC a lot, and, normally when I run into someone going through a delve, completing a dolmen, doing quests - I’ll wait patiently until they are not engaged and shoot them a ‘hello” emote and try to work together…oh yeah the people out there farming – I leave them alone too – why would you attack someone who’s just picking flowers (unless it’s columbine of course – then, well, I don’t know )…
Now if you’re sitting on your horse spaced out (ie. bathroom or fridge break) or you’re standing next to a recently seized resource and standing out in the open all loud and proud checking your map, inventory or assigning cp points – well, that’s a bit of a l2p situation there….
Seriously, why would Zos create a character like that, but, not to cull the weak from combat…as miss Jessica so eloquently put it – “I’m not bad. I’m just drawn that way”…
@ArchMikem ...to be honest I don't really communicate much in game...I like to watch other players use all the different classes to see what solutions rhey've come up with...
this is sort of my feeble attempt at social interaction to learn different techniques and "rules/guidelines" that other (more than likely very experienced) NB's use...
@ArchMikem ...to be honest I don't really communicate much in game...I like to watch other players use all the different classes to see what solutions rhey've come up with...
this is sort of my feeble attempt at social interaction to learn different techniques and "rules/guidelines" that other (more than likely very experienced) NB's use...
There's no rules to playing a class, lol. Basically as you said, Nightblades are for attacking from stealth and doing as much damage as you can quickly. So Mark Target + Ambush + Incapacitating Strike + Surprise Attack + Steel Tornado/Killer's Blade and that's usually how the fight goes.
UltimaJoe777 wrote: »@ArchMikem ...to be honest I don't really communicate much in game...I like to watch other players use all the different classes to see what solutions rhey've come up with...
this is sort of my feeble attempt at social interaction to learn different techniques and "rules/guidelines" that other (more than likely very experienced) NB's use...
There's no rules to playing a class, lol. Basically as you said, Nightblades are for attacking from stealth and doing as much damage as you can quickly. So Mark Target + Ambush + Incapacitating Strike + Surprise Attack + Steel Tornado/Killer's Blade and that's usually how the fight goes.
If the community had their way, there would be:
Dragonknights: No DoTs or Talons.
Sorcerers: No Shields or Streaking.
Templars: No Radiant Destruction, Healing, or Malubeth set.
Nightblades: No Ganking, and especially no Stealth.
PvE: Everyone must be a DPS build, or a Healer with DPS.
PvP: Everyone must run a gap closer and jump keeps with them.
for a long time with my NB I was using ambush, flying blade, fear, immovable (realize now that wasn't exactly right)...finally noticed in my death recaps I was getting hit with a lot of surprise attack...use that now in conjunction with cloak...
I'm really interested though to hear folks opinion on when and when not to 'gank'...what is acceptable ganking...
for a long time with my NB I was using ambush, flying blade, fear, immovable (realize now that wasn't exactly right)...finally noticed in my death recaps I was getting hit with a lot of surprise attack...use that now in conjunction with cloak...
I'm really interested though to hear folks opinion on when and when not to 'gank'...what is acceptable ganking...
catalyst10e wrote: »Bottom line is, no one likes to be killed without even given the chance to defend themselves at all. You go into PVP to do just that, fight other players.
catalyst10e wrote: »Bottom line is, no one likes to be killed without even given the chance to defend themselves at all. You go into PVP to do just that, fight other players. Ganking from outside a keep to stop reinforcements from arriving is a valid tactic, but the way the mechanics work right now, (for example, focus aim being able to fire at least 3 shots before your position is given away) allow for too much to be done while in stealth (within seconds) and validate the playstyle to the point no one is fighting anyone anymore it's all about who can 1 shot who. In any other multiplayer game a stealth mechanic would have some serious draw backs and possibly large cool downs. Even the counters given to us for just the one playstyle aren't as effective, and when they're made effective enough, they get a nerf.
Cloak in general, grants you access to loop holes no other class gets. If my Mag Sorc is hit with a Templar's Total Dark, I'm pretty much dead in the water. I'm locked out of using nearly all my abilities, any I do use is going to hurt me and heal my enemy, and if I happen to have the Stamina to break free, it will just get reapplied. The other option is to streak away entirely. A NB can just cloak, and wait it out. Your opponent can't attack you, they waste resources just looking for you, and you have so many options available even outside your class skills to move faster in stealth you have the actual option of either getting away, or waiting out the enemy. All other classes have to do a straight up fight or run, and that is where you get your disconnect from.
I, don't think I understand the main point of this topic. Are you saying PvP Nightblade Mains are hypocrites? Or are you saying the Nightblade is too over powered for PvP?
From my perspective the Nightblade is only unfairly dangerous if you know exactly what to do and how to build it. My main is a Nightblade and I lose fights all the time. Sometimes I win them and it's extremely enjoyable but I'm no mister Gank Master. To be honest I'm better at Ganking with my Templar. Couple of Dark Flares and then a Radiant Glory and I've just melted someone.
@nine9six ...if this was your first time seeing it - lucky you, I'd this was just one of a handful - I'm right there with you...
truth be told, I posted this discussion today because I recently had another post in which I unintentionally offended some good people and felt crappy about it...
my apologies to you @UltimaJoe777 and a bunch of other good folks...
I stopped reading when I saw "non vet"
Twohothardware wrote: »catalyst10e wrote: »Bottom line is, no one likes to be killed without even given the chance to defend themselves at all. You go into PVP to do just that, fight other players. Ganking from outside a keep to stop reinforcements from arriving is a valid tactic, but the way the mechanics work right now, (for example, focus aim being able to fire at least 3 shots before your position is given away) allow for too much to be done while in stealth (within seconds) and validate the playstyle to the point no one is fighting anyone anymore it's all about who can 1 shot who. In any other multiplayer game a stealth mechanic would have some serious draw backs and possibly large cool downs. Even the counters given to us for just the one playstyle aren't as effective, and when they're made effective enough, they get a nerf.
Cloak in general, grants you access to loop holes no other class gets. If my Mag Sorc is hit with a Templar's Total Dark, I'm pretty much dead in the water. I'm locked out of using nearly all my abilities, any I do use is going to hurt me and heal my enemy, and if I happen to have the Stamina to break free, it will just get reapplied. The other option is to streak away entirely. A NB can just cloak, and wait it out. Your opponent can't attack you, they waste resources just looking for you, and you have so many options available even outside your class skills to move faster in stealth you have the actual option of either getting away, or waiting out the enemy. All other classes have to do a straight up fight or run, and that is where you get your disconnect from.
The reason Nightblades have strong stealth abilities is because they are much weaker than the other classes in an open fight and their abilities focus around single targets, not engaging multiple players at once. A Templar or Dragonknight can be set up to be nearly unkillable even when fighting multiple players at once. Nightblades have to be able to single out targets or they're not going to win. You can't just nerf the Nightblades stealth abilities while leaving the strong tanking and healing abilities of the other classes. Nightblades in general are squishier and have a higher skill gap to play effectively than the other classes when you're doing anything more than just ganking a single person that is away from everyone else.