Dodge Dodge Dodge Dodge Dodge

Beepbeep · August 2016

Doge

That sums up my PVP experience that past several months as a magplar. Oh, with honorable mention to the NBs that one-shot me on a regular basis, the stam classes that one shot me with 2H abillities, the other stam classes that don't manage to one shot me and heal to full 2-3 times a fight while running 5X faster. OH and those lovely perma-stuns, are great too!

I also need to get me some of those magic fingers that fire off five skills in <1 second. Where can I find those, on Amazon some place?

I just want a reasonably fair fight.

L2P right? Of course........

susmitds · August 2016

If you are getting one-shotted then you must have only 16k HP and no impen, the highest NB one hit skill is Incap Strike, which can get 16k on people without impen with max damage gank build.

Stoopid_Nwah · August 2016

susmitds wrote: »

If you are getting one-shotted then you must have only 16k HP and no impen, the highest NB one hit skill is Incap Strike, which can get 16k on people without impen with max damage gank build.

Nah, my magicka nb has hit much harder than that with my opening heavy attack. So far my highest was a 24k crit (but of course I am built 100% for ganking).

Edited to add that OP may have health on the lower end, but no one can deny how hard stamina hits now with the ability to dodge, dodge, dodge and heal to full. I'm also quite sure they used the term "one shot" as more of a "stam burst combos like viper+widowmaker+velidreth are insane and leave the target feeling as though they've been one shot".

Forestd16b14_ESO · August 2016

Look dodge can get nerfed when damage shields become critable and non-stackable. Till then it's ESO: Dark Souls edition.

incite · August 2016

Forestd16b14_ESO wrote: »

Look dodge can get nerfed when damage shields become critable and non-stackable. Till then it's ESO: Dark Souls edition.

This one has had too much to drink

Rohamad_Ali · August 2016

This game is frustrating .

soll · August 2016

susmitds wrote: »

If you are getting one-shotted then you must have only 16k HP and no impen, the highest NB one hit skill is Incap Strike, which can get 16k on people without impen with max damage gank build.

it just feels weird sometimes. I changed my gear to 5 heavy, full (almost, 7/8) impen and yes, it does changed things a lot. But recently i got killed in 1 sec by NB. I managed to react, but it didn't help at all. and it was non cp azura. animation cancelling or what ever is crazy on this guy.

I had 25+k health

Beepbeep · August 2016

susmitds wrote: »

If you are getting one-shotted then you must have only 16k HP and no impen, the highest NB one hit skill is Incap Strike, which can get 16k on people without impen with max damage gank build.

Depending on my build, 20 to 25k health and impen on all armor. I don't have full yellow gear and am CP480, but still.

Happens all the time. I see 10-15k heavy attacks from NBs sometimes. It's mostly the 5 skills in <1sec that kills me (and many others).

Rohamad_Ali · August 2016

The un breakable stuns have gotten way out of hand . I know exactly how it works too and have all this gear ready for when I hit CP max again but do not enjoy this cheese . V & V stam gank is so Sheogorath Limburger right now . It won't be changing anytime soon either .

You can run reactive and take advantage of this meta though . 30% less dmg when stunned or rooted is good but lacking regen for Magika Temp .maybe try Reactive and Lich set to curve regen back towards magic or maybe tanky heavy TBS with both Magic mundus ? Idk Templar hasn't been my thing in months .

Rohamad_Ali · August 2016

I think others have more down on current Templar magic builds . Just go over this video . I know it's long but maybe find a few solutions here . I go through hours of YouTube when problem solving for my end game characters builds .

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=VovqSIZ3cDE

soll · August 2016

Rohamad_Ali wrote: »

You can run reactive and take advantage of this meta though . 30% less dmg when stunned or rooted is good but lacking regen for Magika Temp .maybe try Reactive and Lich set to curve regen back towards magic or maybe tanky heavy TBS with both Magic mundus ? .

to add possible solutions:
I run max health+ magic regen food. I know, that 3-stat in better choice, but i prefer non-cp pvp, so that's more vailable IMO.
transmutation will work perfect, even with 2 jewelry piece damage glyph. last – rune. with this sustain feels fine. I have no problem with it.

lich is not good with reactive, better to take advantage of monster helm

Mayrael · August 2016

susmitds wrote: »

If you are getting one-shotted then you must have only 16k HP and no impen, the highest NB one hit skill is Incap Strike, which can get 16k on people without impen with max damage gank build.

I have 3,9k crit ressist (I know 3300 is cap but its the case when someone have basic crit damage at 50%) + 25% phisical ressist from hardy, +10% crit ressist from cp, + 22k physical ressistance +8% ressist from restoring rune and guess what? Sometimes I still get hit with 7k wrecking blows so... And about dodge, Ive made stamblade, just because I was curious, with good build you can do like 8-9 consecutive roll dodges (combine it with cloak wisely and you can be god between newbies), add to this eternal hunt - velidreth/viper sets, cloak, vigor and rally and there you go, you are master pvp.

Beardimus · August 2016

I'm with you on the dodge, not the one shot tho that's preventable.

Mine is more like dodge dodge dodge feared feared stunned stunned knockdown dodge dodge dodge #TheyRunAroundATree

Rohamad_Ali · August 2016

Mayrael wrote: »

susmitds wrote: »

If you are getting one-shotted then you must have only 16k HP and no impen, the highest NB one hit skill is Incap Strike, which can get 16k on people without impen with max damage gank build.

I have 3,9k crit ressist (I know 3300 is cap but its the case when someone have basic crit damage at 50%) + 25% phisical ressist from hardy, +10% crit ressist from cp, + 22k physical ressistance and guess what? Sometimes I still get hit with 7k wrecking blows so... And about dodge, Ive made stamblade, just because I was curious, with good build you can do like 8-9 consecutive roll dodges (combine it with cloak wisely and you can be god between newbies), add to this eternal hunt - velidreth/viper sets, cloak, vigor and rally and there you go, you are master pvp.

It's a shame the gear makes everyone now when before CP some talent and resource management was needed to be good . Dynamic Ult generation removal was bad too .

It's funny too because Dueling is coming and this will put all these problems right in the spotlight soon . I don't even see many duels anyone since DB dropped . But it will be a feature of Ome Tamriel .

Komma · August 2016

I dont see dodge rolling as the problem. The problem is the people who dodge everything thrown at them without dodge rolling even once. It is usually the same people. Also the people who dodge even while locked down by a stun or while riding a horse.... Dodge should not be rng. Just gives excuses for the exploiters/hackers.

Abob · August 2016

It's just a 20% dodge chance, mate.

It's great to see shadows fighting.

Elder Shadows Online.

lolo_01b16_ESO · August 2016

Hm, from my experience magplars are the strongest class when it comes to fighting people who dodge a lot. Puncturing sweep and Radiant oppression are both undodgable. Additionally I don't have any problems with gankers on my templar. But I have 28k hp, 5 piece heavy and personally don't have many problems to break stuns in time.
Also getting hit by 5 skills in less than 1 sec is impossible. Either you have huge lag issues or you are overexaggerating. You can manage to hit someone with snipe, a bow heavy attack and poison injection at the same time due to different travel times of the projectiles, but that's it. Anything else is either procs or lag. And sure, it can be frustrating, if an enemy manages to proc widowmaker, red mountain and validreth all with one heavy attack, but the chance is quite low so most of the time he will fail to gank.

LegacyDM · August 2016

soll wrote: »

susmitds wrote: »

If you are getting one-shotted then you must have only 16k HP and no impen, the highest NB one hit skill is Incap Strike, which can get 16k on people without impen with max damage gank build.

it just feels weird sometimes. I changed my gear to 5 heavy, full (almost, 7/8) impen and yes, it does changed things a lot. But recently i got killed in 1 sec by NB. I managed to react, but it didn't help at all. and it was non cp azura. animation cancelling or what ever is crazy on this guy.

I had 25+k health

Term is called macro slice. It's not s macro but an in game bug where people can que up and exploit multiple attacks to hit all at once in 1 sec. It's been around since launch but people are now starting to figure it out.

MalakithAlamahdi · August 2016

Forestd16b14_ESO wrote: »

Look dodge can get nerfed when damage shields become critable and non-stackable. Till then it's ESO: Dark Souls edition.

I should actually flag this nonsense.

WuffyCerulei · August 2016

Mayrael · August 2016

wolfninja101b14_ESO wrote: »

LOL! A lot! xD now each time ill see roll dodger this cat will be in front of my eyes xD LOL

Toc de Malsvi · August 2016

lolo_01b16_ESO wrote: »

Hm, from my experience magplars are the strongest class when it comes to fighting people who dodge a lot. Puncturing sweep and Radiant oppression are both undodgable. Additionally I don't have any problems with gankers on my templar. But I have 28k hp, 5 piece heavy and personally don't have many problems to break stuns in time.
Also getting hit by 5 skills in less than 1 sec is impossible. Either you have huge lag issues or you are overexaggerating. You can manage to hit someone with snipe, a bow heavy attack and poison injection at the same time due to different travel times of the projectiles, but that's it. Anything else is either procs or lag. And sure, it can be frustrating, if an enemy manages to proc widowmaker, red mountain and validreth all with one heavy attack, but the chance is quite low so most of the time he will fail to gank.

It's doable but not because of base game mechanics, its because of a bug that has yet to be removed.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1YLzWXqcQ9U

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hYdQqcmZtMo
[SNIP]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VG1LEDmyIZk

EDITED FOR PROFANITY

Methariorn · August 2016

Rohamad_Ali wrote: »

The un breakable stuns have gotten way out of hand . I know exactly how it works too and have all this gear ready for when I hit CP max again but do not enjoy this cheese . V & V stam gank is so Sheogorath Limburger right now . It won't be changing anytime soon either .

You can run reactive and take advantage of this meta though . 30% less dmg when stunned or rooted is good but lacking regen for Magika Temp .maybe try Reactive and Lich set to curve regen back towards magic or maybe tanky heavy TBS with both Magic mundus ? Idk Templar hasn't been my thing in months .

I've try Reactive + Warlock: it work quite well but no room for monster set. Best beat for magicka build with reactive is mixing trasmutation: good stats (2 stack of magicka recovery + very good 5th bonus), you got all weapons combination and can put monster set in the build.

Takes-No-Prisoner · August 2016

Beepbeep wrote: »

Dodge

That sums up my PVP experience that past several months as a magplar.

sums up my PVP experience that past several months as a magplar.

PVP....magplar..

Rohamad_Ali · August 2016

Methariorn wrote: »

Rohamad_Ali wrote: »

The un breakable stuns have gotten way out of hand . I know exactly how it works too and have all this gear ready for when I hit CP max again but do not enjoy this cheese . V & V stam gank is so Sheogorath Limburger right now . It won't be changing anytime soon either .

You can run reactive and take advantage of this meta though . 30% less dmg when stunned or rooted is good but lacking regen for Magika Temp .maybe try Reactive and Lich set to curve regen back towards magic or maybe tanky heavy TBS with both Magic mundus ? Idk Templar hasn't been my thing in months .

I've try Reactive + Warlock: it work quite well but no room for monster set. Best beat for magicka build with reactive is mixing trasmutation: good stats (2 stack of magicka recovery + very good 5th bonus), you got all weapons combination and can put monster set in the build.

Oh I see yes . You can mix in jewelry to get transmutation 5 piece in .

Lokey0024 · August 2016

Toc de Malsvi wrote: »

lolo_01b16_ESO wrote: »

Hm, from my experience magplars are the strongest class when it comes to fighting people who dodge a lot. Puncturing sweep and Radiant oppression are both undodgable. Additionally I don't have any problems with gankers on my templar. But I have 28k hp, 5 piece heavy and personally don't have many problems to break stuns in time.
Also getting hit by 5 skills in less than 1 sec is impossible. Either you have huge lag issues or you are overexaggerating. You can manage to hit someone with snipe, a bow heavy attack and poison injection at the same time due to different travel times of the projectiles, but that's it. Anything else is either procs or lag. And sure, it can be frustrating, if an enemy manages to proc widowmaker, red mountain and validreth all with one heavy attack, but the chance is quite low so most of the time he will fail to gank.

It's doable but not because of base game mechanics, its because of a bug that has yet to be removed.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1YLzWXqcQ9U

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hYdQqcmZtMo
[SNIP]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VG1LEDmyIZk

Remember all the people talking game mechanics, skill cooldown couldnt be broken of 1 skill per second and l2light weavebash. Yea not hearing much of that trash now

lolo_01b16_ESO · August 2016

Toc de Malsvi wrote: »

lolo_01b16_ESO wrote: »

Hm, from my experience magplars are the strongest class when it comes to fighting people who dodge a lot. Puncturing sweep and Radiant oppression are both undodgable. Additionally I don't have any problems with gankers on my templar. But I have 28k hp, 5 piece heavy and personally don't have many problems to break stuns in time.
Also getting hit by 5 skills in less than 1 sec is impossible. Either you have huge lag issues or you are overexaggerating. You can manage to hit someone with snipe, a bow heavy attack and poison injection at the same time due to different travel times of the projectiles, but that's it. Anything else is either procs or lag. And sure, it can be frustrating, if an enemy manages to proc widowmaker, red mountain and validreth all with one heavy attack, but the chance is quite low so most of the time he will fail to gank.

It's doable but not because of base game mechanics, its because of a bug that has yet to be removed.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1YLzWXqcQ9U

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hYdQqcmZtMo

[SNIP]
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VG1LEDmyIZk

Can you do that intentionally? I saw such things happen aswell, but I always thought it's just because someone tries how many people you can stack on a flag before the guards die to a lack of air to breath.

Also, how can someone who publishes multiple videos where he exploits bugs to kill people in pvp not be banned? @ZOS_GinaBruno

dodgehopper_ESO · August 2016

I saw the title and kept wanting to say, "Yes yes yes yes?"

Lexxypwns · August 2016

Stoopid_Nwah wrote: »

susmitds wrote: »

If you are getting one-shotted then you must have only 16k HP and no impen, the highest NB one hit skill is Incap Strike, which can get 16k on people without impen with max damage gank build.

Nah, my magicka nb has hit much harder than that with my opening heavy attack. So far my highest was a 24k crit (but of course I am built 100% for ganking).

Edited to add that OP may have health on the lower end, but no one can deny how hard stamina hits now with the ability to dodge, dodge, dodge and heal to full. I'm also quite sure they used the term "one shot" as more of a "stam burst combos like viper+widowmaker+velidreth are insane and leave the target feeling as though they've been one shot".

Now I don't feel bad about those 8k crits you caught me with the other day

kadar · August 2016

Beepbeep wrote: »

Doge

That sums up my PVP experience that past several months as a magplar. Oh, with honorable mention to the NBs that one-shot me on a regular basis, the stam classes that one shot me with 2H abillities, the other stam classes that don't manage to one shot me and heal to full 2-3 times a fight while running 5X faster. OH and those lovely perma-stuns, are great too!

I also need to get me some of those magic fingers that fire off five skills in <1 second. Where can I find those, on Amazon some place?

I just want a reasonably fair fight.

L2P right? Of course........

This is either a learn to play issue, or an issue of being severely over dramatic. Since you claim it's not a l2p issue, that leaves 1 possibility.

Re-read the OP, specifically the bolded part. How can everyone here not take your post as a learn to play issue?

Stoopid_Nwah · August 2016

Lexxypwns wrote: »

Stoopid_Nwah wrote: »

susmitds wrote: »

If you are getting one-shotted then you must have only 16k HP and no impen, the highest NB one hit skill is Incap Strike, which can get 16k on people without impen with max damage gank build.

Nah, my magicka nb has hit much harder than that with my opening heavy attack. So far my highest was a 24k crit (but of course I am built 100% for ganking).

Edited to add that OP may have health on the lower end, but no one can deny how hard stamina hits now with the ability to dodge, dodge, dodge and heal to full. I'm also quite sure they used the term "one shot" as more of a "stam burst combos like viper+widowmaker+velidreth are insane and leave the target feeling as though they've been one shot".

Now I don't feel bad about those 8k crits you caught me with the other day

Lol if I see my numbers that low I'm like "ooooh a smart pvper in impen and they maybe even have mages light slotted"...then usually show myself the door and dip out haha.