I also play a sorc, but I gotta tell ya, I disagree with making it more OP. No one skill should do everything that it used to. It's still too OP when you think about it. There are a couple of classes that apparently are favorites of the DEVs and so they seem to always have at least one skill that does everything.

No skill should be able to do five things at once. It's really kinda stupid. Either something should be an escape and maybe one more result, or a stun and one other result ... you get the idea. Certainly the streak of the past did way to much stuff.

Asmael wrote: »

I'll just show you how mag sorc played before... (vid really starts at 0:40)

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THIS is how it should play. Today, fights are a static nonsense of snare / root spamming where we walk at the speed of a drunk turtle having crossed an angry Nord. Notice how at the end of an Escape bolt, he keeps moving forward.

The loss of momentum on jumps and movement in general, added to the general nerf of movement speed (10-15%) and gap closers snares has made gap closers extremely strong and mobility non-existent. As much as people hated on 1.6 for the damage being out of control, the movement mechanics were fluid and combats were actually dynamic before they gave us the Elders Mobility Offline : Snares Unlimited patch.

This is the strict minimum that should be fixed. I wouldn't mind seeing the cost on Escape Bolt being reduced, but the root issue must be gone.

Wow, that made me nostalgic.

Every update since 1.6 theyve just been further weakening individual players and strengthening the zerg. Bolt Escape is just the sorc-specific example of that. Sigh.

If snares are going to be as out of control as they are, there needs to be more counters to snares other than Vamp and Shuffle.

If I'm going against a Magplar on my sorc, that 70% snare basically means I'm stuck in mud. There's no cool down, so even if I used shuffle and burned through Stam, I'd still be screwed.

Puncturing Sweep needs to add the snare on the final hit, not the first. The permasnare meta is getting really old.

The cost of streak is not the issue.It sucks to use it to reposition/attack, and then need to use it to escape at a higher cost, but that's a trade-off.

But as one of the few "cooldown"skills, it needs to have a bigger effect. Either on defense or attack. For example, BoL could remove snares, and Steak could deal more damage and stun longer.

Or

BoL could lose the stun and only grant a teleport and immunity similar to dodge roll. Possibly, having BoL slotted doubles the cost of dodge roll as a downside to this massive advantage. Now BoL actually is a "magicka-dodge roll". Yes, I am aware that weapon swap would remove the disadvantage, but it's still a disadvantage

Master_Kas wrote: »

Remove the cost penalty or reduce the timer to 1 second.

Also when you streak downhill it should work like it did before.

<- Does not main a sorc but 2 nightblades.

This is more reasonable. Don't think streak needs a buff but you could lower the debuff timer to like 2 seconds and/or reduce the cost increase to 33% instead of 50%

Darnathian wrote: »

Vaoh wrote: »

Minalan wrote: »

HoloYoitsu wrote: »

Cinnamon_Spider wrote: »

In addition to the cost increase making it nearly useless for re-positioning, it isn't even useful to chase after another player. Stam builds are able to move fast enough to get out of range of a magic sorc streaking after them. And it's dangerous for the sorc to do so, since they'll be out of magic after a few streaks.

At this point I don't think there's any use trying to talk sense into those ppl. Most of them are stam players who have been conditioned to whine whenever a sorc managed to disengage and always viewed blink as unfair without realizing how it was intergral to the design of the class.

They most certainly weren't the Rageasorus infinite sprint or Xsorus/BBQ crit rush you from Ales to Glade builds or they wouldn't be touting the fictitious "oh blink 3x and sorc gets away free" nonsense.

Pretty much this. We're in for three or four more pages of gap-closing major expedition Stam players that don't want to lose their free AP magicka sorc piñatas.

Watch for more "sorc is fine" and "L2P" posts, while they're running Malubeth/reactive Templar or TankDK cancer builds.

Then expect ZOS to continue catering to them.

Yup. Pretty much this.

You have all of these terrible players that rely on bugged/OP/meta builds and sets because they stand no chance otherwise.

When something is clearly messed up or something might be done to rightfully improve a class spec they don't play, they immediately shoot it down to save their chances of making much easier AP.

That's how it is

And you have these terrible players that relied on OP Shield stacking meta builds that suck now. Just saying.

They all play templars now.

Darnathian wrote: »

FriedEggSandwich wrote: »

Darnathian wrote: »

Vaoh wrote: »

Minalan wrote: »

HoloYoitsu wrote: »

Cinnamon_Spider wrote: »

In addition to the cost increase making it nearly useless for re-positioning, it isn't even useful to chase after another player. Stam builds are able to move fast enough to get out of range of a magic sorc streaking after them. And it's dangerous for the sorc to do so, since they'll be out of magic after a few streaks.

At this point I don't think there's any use trying to talk sense into those ppl. Most of them are stam players who have been conditioned to whine whenever a sorc managed to disengage and always viewed blink as unfair without realizing how it was intergral to the design of the class.

They most certainly weren't the Rageasorus infinite sprint or Xsorus/BBQ crit rush you from Ales to Glade builds or they wouldn't be touting the fictitious "oh blink 3x and sorc gets away free" nonsense.

Pretty much this. We're in for three or four more pages of gap-closing major expedition Stam players that don't want to lose their free AP magicka sorc piñatas.

Watch for more "sorc is fine" and "L2P" posts, while they're running Malubeth/reactive Templar or TankDK cancer builds.

Then expect ZOS to continue catering to them.

Yup. Pretty much this.

You have all of these terrible players that rely on bugged/OP/meta builds and sets because they stand no chance otherwise.

When something is clearly messed up or something might be done to rightfully improve a class spec they don't play, they immediately shoot it down to save their chances of making much easier AP.

That's how it is

And you have these terrible players that relied on OP Shield stacking meta builds that suck now. Just saying.

They all play templars now.

I understand and agree. Its just funny when the meta chasers make comments when their easy mode class gets harder.

Get this. The good sorcs are still good.

You seem to be missing the point, an expert sorc can still make a mag sorc and be "good", or he could roll the fotm stam and be even better. I could say the same about mag DK. "Good mag DK is still good." But that doesn't change how gutted and neutered the mag DK spec has become, nor how much reverting the GDB nerf would help DK.

This isn't about "meta chasers" QQing about "easy mode class got harder", this discussion is about people not enjoying having an overly gimped class on their hands. All that you've contributed is coming in here and tossing out snide comments equating sorcs with fotm whiners, I'd be really interested to hear what in what meta you considered mag sorc to be OP ez mode? Surely not now? Surely not after 2.0 with the super bolt escape nerf? Can't be 1.5 & earlier - cuz you didn't even have to stack shields then, nor were shields all that strong. So was it 1.6, the 6 months of infinite dodge rolling rolly polly stam builds in full nirnhoned negating 50% of your dmg passively?

Lava_Croft wrote: »

I think Ball of Lightning is the morph that needs the most attention, since I don't recall the last time I saw someone use it in Cyrodiil.

Does it even function properly?

HoloYoitsu wrote: »

KenaPKK wrote: »

Lava_Croft wrote: »

I think Ball of Lightning is the morph that needs the most attention, since I don't recall the last time I saw someone use it in Cyrodiil.

Does it even function properly?

It never functioned properly to begin w/, as Ezareth documented, if multiple balls were up only the 1st one would 'absorb' projectiles - and the ball had to pretty much be between you and the projectile. I know he also was hopeful the reduced up time on the ball would help work around this design bug, but it's simply made BoL worthless when combined w/ the 4 sec cost penalty.

I tested it with Sara Moon and Star and Homuncullus back in the spring, and no little balls were blocking anything. I very literally couldn't get them to absorb any magicka projectiles at all.