TooskSG wrote: »

Wait, there are stam builds whining about BE? Learn to gap close and latch onto sorcs-- if you so desire to follow them to the choke that they're baiting you to, quite simple.

It used to be harder on sorcs before BE nerfs/stam buffs/sorcs figuring out about proper shielding(Sabre Ali, great sorc, in Wabba 1 being the earliest example I've seen). Imagine dealing with an actual immobilize (2 secs) on target from stampede(dw, it got nerfed to a snare), coupled with passive snares from Ardent Flame abilities and the OP-pre-nerf Immovable being a thing. Sorcs BEing away had a hard counter, a not so common build in the foty magicka environment but a counter nonetheless. Sorcs being able to BE away from outnumbered fights was fine.

A single player being capable of escaping overwhelming odds is good and enjoyable gameplay.

It's a shame that ZoS proliferated roots,cc, and other methods for overwhelming numbers to lock down a singular player, more so than what was possible pre-1.6.

Turning your camera and mashing a single button until nothing is attacking you anymore is good and enjoyable gameplay?

Plenty of sorcs get away from many fights currently. If you commit too hard to the wrong one you should be punished. There's a difference between having an escape mechanism and being untouchable. Everyone that played the game before the nerf remembers that would ping you from the back with overloads, streak away at the very sight of a character being turned in his general direction, come back after they had given up the chase and rinse and repeat. That's not fun or good gameplay, it's something that you have no counter to. And please with the gap closer nonsense. All it takes is a little thought unless you have many people doing it to you, in which cause you *** up. If you can't figure it out I would rather you have to engage in the fight than have a person gap closing you from arrius to glademist.

Kena actually has the right idea here honestly. There's plenty of things wrong with streak, but the cost increase isn't one of them. And before anyone says anything gap closers are *** in their current form as well, but that has nothing to do with streak.

Manoekin wrote: »

TooskSG wrote: »

Wait, there are stam builds whining about BE? Learn to gap close and latch onto sorcs-- if you so desire to follow them to the choke that they're baiting you to, quite simple.

It used to be harder on sorcs before BE nerfs/stam buffs/sorcs figuring out about proper shielding(Sabre Ali, great sorc, in Wabba 1 being the earliest example I've seen). Imagine dealing with an actual immobilize (2 secs) on target from stampede(dw, it got nerfed to a snare), coupled with passive snares from Ardent Flame abilities and the OP-pre-nerf Immovable being a thing. Sorcs BEing away had a hard counter, a not so common build in the foty magicka environment but a counter nonetheless. Sorcs being able to BE away from outnumbered fights was fine.

A single player being capable of escaping overwhelming odds is good and enjoyable gameplay.

It's a shame that ZoS proliferated roots,cc, and other methods for overwhelming numbers to lock down a singular player, more so than what was possible pre-1.6.

Turning your camera and mashing a single button until nothing is attacking you anymore is good and enjoyable gameplay?

Plenty of sorcs get away from many fights currently. If you commit too hard to the wrong one you should be punished. There's a difference between having an escape mechanism and being untouchable. Everyone that played the game before the nerf remembers that would ping you from the back with overloads, streak away at the very sight of a character being turned in his general direction, come back after they had given up the chase and rinse and repeat. That's not fun or good gameplay, it's something that you have no counter to. And please with the gap closer nonsense. All it takes is a little thought unless you have many people doing it to you, in which cause you *** up. If you can't figure it out I would rather you have to engage in the fight than have a person gap closing you from arrius to glademist.

Kena actually has the right idea here honestly. There's plenty of things wrong with streak, but the cost increase isn't one of them. And before anyone says anything gap closers are *** in their current form as well, but that has nothing to do with streak.

Because people are forced to incessantly chase a squirrel across the map? If they choose to be so wrapped up by whether or not a singular player gets away from them, then I'd rather not bother entertaining the idea of what they find fun, tbh. Also, I"d suggest coming back later and rereading my post, and you'll see that it's not the "buff sorcs" statement you've built it up to be.

As for every other point you made, the underlying problems for most of the issues in the game atm are a lack of caps/excessive regen.

Keep the cost increase but remove that 1second root you get after streak so you can turn and manuever and spam Streak if you want. With a cost

Minalan wrote: »

HoloYoitsu wrote: »

Cinnamon_Spider wrote: »

In addition to the cost increase making it nearly useless for re-positioning, it isn't even useful to chase after another player. Stam builds are able to move fast enough to get out of range of a magic sorc streaking after them. And it's dangerous for the sorc to do so, since they'll be out of magic after a few streaks.

At this point I don't think there's any use trying to talk sense into those ppl. Most of them are stam players who have been conditioned to whine whenever a sorc managed to disengage and always viewed blink as unfair without realizing how it was intergral to the design of the class.

They most certainly weren't the Rageasorus infinite sprint or Xsorus/BBQ crit rush you from Ales to Glade builds or they wouldn't be touting the fictitious "oh blink 3x and sorc gets away free" nonsense.

Pretty much this. We're in for three or four more pages of gap-closing major expedition Stam players that don't want to lose their free AP magicka sorc piñatas.

Watch for more "sorc is fine" and "L2P" posts, while they're running Malubeth/reactive Templar or TankDK cancer builds.

Then expect ZOS to continue catering to them.

Yup. Pretty much this.

You have all of these terrible players that rely on bugged/OP/meta builds and sets because they stand no chance otherwise.

When something is clearly messed up or something might be done to rightfully improve a class spec they don't play, they immediately shoot it down to save their chances of making much easier AP.

That's how it is