I don't miss it in the least. I like being able to level a charachter to 50 and be done with it. It removed any semblance of work from the equation - I did not like grinding to v16 once let alone 8 times.

I personality hated the VR system.
Not to confuse that I also disagree with and do not support CP as far as gear and mats, and showing as some character level.

I completely support having Passives and I'd rather those only apply at post 50 for use

See the champion points I'm fine with as long as they are exclusively limited to being Passives. I do think the accumulation of certain trees should create one square to either the left or right as green, blue or red to distinguish progress using the unlocks in a tree.

Beyond that everyone should appear as level 50.
Skills stop at 50 so characters should as well.

NPCs should go beyond 50 but using the old VR tiers as a character level. So for example Vr 1-4 is level 50, Vr 5-9 is level 51, Vr 10-14 ,52 and Vr 15 is 53, Vr 16 is 54 and anything beyond is 55
***One Tamriel***
This should've removed all these CP labels and shown all as level 50. Even NPCs

Now with this, if ZOS ever wanted to expand levels it would touch both character, and skills.

The veteran system wasn't really a system at all so I never liked it and honestly all VR1-9 was honestly was level 50 but they sought to create difficulty in stats which were not easy to understand which is why many are seperated on VR vs CP today.


Some of my opinions above have changed slightly from months ago but the overall opinion is the same.

Mojmir wrote: »

There should have never been vet ranks or the cp system.

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It was nice if it was your first time. But having to level each additional character to vet 16 was too much, and also a reason why I didn't bother to make new characters until I learned the vet system was going away This way of "sharing" your max CP with other characters is truly astounding.

You only have to lvl up to 50 and you're already maxed out and can use max gear with any additional character you make. Now that they have that issue solved they have to focus on making hybrid builds truly effective without using a 5 piece set

Me and my 6 Max level characters say: "not me!"

VR system was a much worse grind. CP gives you more freedom to "pick and play" the class and build you want, more options to customize your character with the constellations and so on.

Everytime I reached Max VR on a character I didn't feel any sense of accomplishment, it was rather a relief from a slow and painful process. Especially way back then when there wasn't XP pots, IC, OO not training traits.

Actually I'm quite glad VR are gone for good!

I never grind so that aspect doesn't bother me either way, but I did enjoy the challenge of levelling all of my characters to V16 via questing before. Now, I tend to ditch them at 50. I wish we were allowed to choose if we wanted instant max level characters or not because I would much prefer to be able to level them all up individually.

Kammakazi wrote: »

Am I the only one who didn't like that they changed levels from Veteran to CP? The reason why I don't like it because after they changed it, I've been seeing a lot of players ask the same question, "Where is the best place to grind CP? / Where can I grind CP?"

I loved Veteran Ranks because even though it was a grind, but that grind contributed massively to your CP.

In the old system, the more VR 16 characters you made, the more CP you'd get. Each character you created would be a fresh new experience than the previous one because you're using a whole different skill set and wearing different gear. I reached the 501 cap on my 6th VR 16, and now I'm at 778 after the conversion.

In the new system, more players are sticking to only one character, and then they'd have to grind CP all the way to 531. Would you really want to grind from CP 160 to 531 on the same character?

I have seen zero evidence to support the notion that more players are choosing to play one character rather than multiple characters since cp replaced vr.

Since it doesnt matter where the cp come from, there is no push in the system to restrict to just one. Players i know personally have bought new char slots which doesnt support grinding one char.

Finally, i recall seeing plenty of where grind threads before vr died. Asking about grinding doesnt tell you which char they will use.

Totalitarian wrote: »

When running dungeons, CP level is a better gauge of possible skill than vet levels were.

I actually think they're both terrible gauges of possible skill. I've seen great players with barely any CPs, and I've seen awful players at the CP cap. All either vet ranks or CPs really measure is how much XP the person has earned, and it's very possible to easily grind out tons of XP without ever learning to play.

But as far as it goes, CPs do provide a better measure of how much a player has actually played the game than vet ranks did, and for most people the more they've played the game the better they are likely to be at it, so your point does have some merit.

Vet system was terrible imo.

I prefer the new system. Once my character reaches Level 50 I can craft one last set of gear that will last me the rest of the game (or at least until I replace it trial gear).

Grinding veteran ranks were straight aids, full blown hiv.

nonone but you apparently, I almost quit because of vet levels