NA PC TrueFlame AD leaders

Recremen · August 2016

ataggs wrote: »

Just a quick second to correct some misconceptions. This whole idea that people looking for group are mindless and beneath those who have a guild group is wrong. I have found high CP, well geared and experienced players in zone looking for group. It's insulting to those who might be new to pvp and trying it out or someone who has decided to faction change.

I totally agree, but I think when people say "mindless pugs" they are only talking about the subset of pugs that don't know what they're doing yet.

Lord-Stien · August 2016

Recremen wrote: »

ataggs wrote: »

Just a quick second to correct some misconceptions. This whole idea that people looking for group are mindless and beneath those who have a guild group is wrong. I have found high CP, well geared and experienced players in zone looking for group. It's insulting to those who might be new to pvp and trying it out or someone who has decided to faction change.

I totally agree, but I think when people say "mindless pugs" they are only talking about the subset of pugs that don't know what they're doing yet.

more or less

ataggs · August 2016

i don't mean to pick on just this one post, it's just an attitude I'm getting a little fed up with. Sure lots of people come into pvp and don't know what they are doing, I didn't (and still don't if you ask around). I just hope the pve community is more accepting if I choose to inflict myself upon them. Just remember that growing pvp is good for us and future content. It is in our best interest to be welcoming.

olivesforge · August 2016

Training is always going to be a good ongoing problem. Non-experts coming into pvp means that new people are coming into the game, or old players are coming back. Running a noob bootcamp was one of the focuses of Thornblade Rangers until it imploded for non-pvp reasons. We've tried to do the same in Unusual Allies and Dominant Dominion, but it's difficult to get people up to snuff while either getting completely zerged in Haderus or walking over Trueflame with 500 other bananas.

More coordination would help this get better for both the elite of AD and for training purposes. Hat tip to Crown for the Discord.

As far as spies - it happens, but it's not the only thing coordination could help solve.. Sometimes our problem is actually some AD who don't get along playing off each other, sometimes it's everybody being obsessed with repeatedly killing a player who is also a certain central European country.

God_flakes · August 2016

We had our own spy in DC zone last night "azuras hand maiden". Thing is the spies are usually idiotic in zone and out themselves.

maxjapank · August 2016

Do you have enough seating? You may need to rent a football stadium to

IxSTALKERxI wrote: »

Agrippa_Invisus wrote: »

IxSTALKERxI wrote: »

Agrippa_Invisus wrote: »

IxSTALKERxI wrote: »

Agrippa_Invisus wrote: »

You should organize map pushes, keep takes, and scroll steals during the early morning hours when none of the spies are on.

That way no one will know your plans!

Yeah there shouldn't be many spies online when the servers come online after this maintenance.

Sounds like a new and innovative strategy to try then.

It's actually not a new strategy. I've been setting my alarm clock at 3am every morning for the past 2 years so I can come online to ESO and PvDoor while everyone else is asleep.

Amazing!

See, it's long term strategies like this that foster competitiveness, good sportsmanship, and encourage players to come to Trueflame from the DC and EP factions. It'll feel like home to them, like they contribute regularly, and have good fun while doing it!

I agree, oceanic time is quite competitive at the moment. I have great fights with TKG and wormhole, who always demonstrate good sportsmanship and do an excellent job defending all of their keeps and scrolls despite being on only 2 bars population each night.

Thanks for the compliment. We always enjoy fighting against you guys, too. Interestingly, we were bout to throw in the towel Sunday with pop-locked yellow and Emp. Especially knowing RAM would log on soon. And then outta nowhere, Wormhole came speeding in. It was like one of those scenes from a good book...where you're about to be destroyed....and the cavalry comes speeding through. It was epic.

As to the OP's topic, Oceanic AD seem to have a 1-2 spotters on every keep. It's uncanny.

KenaPKK · August 2016

When I was on AD back in early 1.6, we all had a guild chat for group leaders to organize and communicate movements. I don't know who made it, but Crown seemed to lead things from what I remember.

Anazasi · August 2016

Just to recap so far.

1. AD is already to a good job at coordinating.
2. AD is interested in working together but don't like it when new players are looked down on.
3. Nait set up a discord server for us to try and help the coordination.
4. Spies exist, although some are pretty bad at their job.

Think i hit the highlights so far.

Lets continue shall we.

vanzan · August 2016

I joined so I can RP with @Ghostbane hope thats ok?

vanzan · August 2016

vanzan wrote: »

I joined the discord so I can RP with @Ghostbane hope thats ok?

Ghostbane · August 2016

vanzan wrote: »

I joined so I can RP with @Ghostbane hope thats ok?

I am oiled and ready Sensai.

DUTCH_REAPER · August 2016

We use Discord. Great program so far.

Humphie · August 2016

Ghostbane wrote: »

vanzan wrote: »

I joined so I can RP with @Ghostbane hope thats ok?

I am oiled and ready Sensai.

Images in my head ghostbae!

Draxys · August 2016

RIP Banana Hammock

Aneca · August 2016

Recremen wrote: »

... Probably the best thing AD can do right now is encourage pugs to form their own guilds and get more experience fighting. Trueflame on NA PC is THE competitive campaign, yet we have so many poor lost pugs running around! I know there are some folks doing pug wrangling, but I think an achievable improvement would be to get the pugs to form guilds and work out new leadership.

We may also need to put the pugs that show up consistently through some kind of a bootcamp. I still see people trying to use fire trebs on walls, or hitting postern doors instead of the wall/stair, or sieging people instead of the wall when the keep isn't even flagged yet. The poor dears need a lot of instruction!

We also need to be more vigilant about toxic exchanges. While it's true that people who've switched to AD have expressed time and again that we're the "least toxic" chat, that doesn't mean we don't have our fair share of naughtiness. Let's keep AD #1 by holding ourselves to the highest standard!

I don't play on TF but the points that @Recremen makes here apply to any campaign. My apologies for straying from the OP's topic.

1) Regarding the "poor lost pugs": That pretty well describes me and, possibly, many of the PVEers that came to Cyrodiil to get the Alliance War skills. Most of the things that seasoned PVPers take for granted as common knowledge may be Greek to newcomers. For that reason, I disagree that pugs (i.e., newcomers) should form their own guilds - we need good, experienced leaders in each campaign. Without knowledgeable leaders, we would merely be gangs of "poor lost pugs".

2) Bootcamp - "The poor dears need a lot of instruction!": I sure do. Yes, I did the Welcome to Cyro tutorial quest ages ago to get Rapids and then get the heck out. I'll bet I'm not alone. And, while that intro quest may show which siege to use, it doesn't teach strategy.

3) "Toxic exchanges": Ouf! At times, it seems that people are too busy fighting each other in zone chat to contribute to the faction war. I'm not sure that this is something that can be fixed. Personality conflicts will probably always exist and a common voice app might only serve to move the bickering from zone chat to Discord.

That said, I agree that voice-coordinated groups would have a better chance of success. I sincerely wish you the best of luck in this endeavor.

Minno · August 2016

Aneca wrote: »

Recremen wrote: »

... Probably the best thing AD can do right now is encourage pugs to form their own guilds and get more experience fighting. Trueflame on NA PC is THE competitive campaign, yet we have so many poor lost pugs running around! I know there are some folks doing pug wrangling, but I think an achievable improvement would be to get the pugs to form guilds and work out new leadership.

We may also need to put the pugs that show up consistently through some kind of a bootcamp. I still see people trying to use fire trebs on walls, or hitting postern doors instead of the wall/stair, or sieging people instead of the wall when the keep isn't even flagged yet. The poor dears need a lot of instruction!

We also need to be more vigilant about toxic exchanges. While it's true that people who've switched to AD have expressed time and again that we're the "least toxic" chat, that doesn't mean we don't have our fair share of naughtiness. Let's keep AD #1 by holding ourselves to the highest standard!

I don't play on TF but the points that @Recremen makes here apply to any campaign. My apologies for straying from the OP's topic.

1) Regarding the "poor lost pugs": That pretty well describes me and, possibly, many of the PVEers that came to Cyrodiil to get the Alliance War skills. Most of the things that seasoned PVPers take for granted as common knowledge may be Greek to newcomers. For that reason, I disagree that pugs (i.e., newcomers) should form their own guilds - we need good, experienced leaders in each campaign. Without knowledgeable leaders, we would merely be gangs of "poor lost pugs".

2) Bootcamp - "The poor dears need a lot of instruction!": I sure do. Yes, I did the Welcome to Cyro tutorial quest ages ago to get Rapids and then get the heck out. I'll bet I'm not alone. And, while that intro quest may show which siege to use, it doesn't teach strategy.

3) "Toxic exchanges": Ouf! At times, it seems that people are too busy fighting each other in zone chat to contribute to the faction war. I'm not sure that this is something that can be fixed. Personality conflicts will probably always exist and a common voice app might only serve to move the bickering from zone chat to Discord.

That said, I agree that voice-coordinated groups would have a better chance of success. I sincerely wish you the best of luck in this endeavor.

I think the argument for forming guild groups is better explained as a way to help organize and maintain PvP population. This game is always better with friends and even better if the group you are in at least leaves the 3 home keeps alone and will not gate camp.

Harder to help keep the PvP as clean as possible if it's all mindless players; we all have to answer to someone be it ZoS for cheating/exploits inflating the weekly scores or guild leaders for helping their members respect the PvP.

Takes-No-Prisoner · August 2016

frozywozy wrote: »

Sadly the spies are everywhere. Few months ago I do remember calling 3 times in a 2hours period to hit Drake in zone and every single time when I arrived there (riding from Farragut), we were welcome by the same 24men ballgroup patrolling the walls. As much as I enjoy zone chat to rally a faction, sometimes it's simply better to create your own guild and invite people you trust to coordinate.

Yup. Even on console, I stick to calling out threats I see in guild voice chat. Riding all that way to be confronted by a ball group of that size really sucks a lot. Everyone needs the element of surprise in order to gain back any ground they lost in the past hour or so.

What is even worse-- are people who switched alliances for their own reasons... often get ignored when throwing out insightful objectives to attack. There are folks I ran with in guild who use to play on DC and EP. No one in AD zone chat would listen to their recommendations to attack certain objectives because, 'they were once a DC or EP' or 'No we won't listen to you, you're a spy'. It really sucks the most for those people who earned some kind of reputation on an opposing alliance then flip flop to another. Some people make me smh so hard.

PeggymoeXD · August 2016

You don't need leaders when you have six hundred million players on 24/7. You don't need organization either. There is a certain point when quantity trumps quality and AD in TF have definitely found it.

Aneca · August 2016

PeggymoeXD wrote: »

You don't need leaders when you have six hundred million players on 24/7. You don't need organization either. There is a certain point when quantity trumps quality and AD in TF have definitely found it.

And on the other hand, I've seen a handful of players take out much larger forces. But that's not my point.

One of the things I was trying to say was that teaching "poor lost pugs" might result in more enjoyable, less frustrating gameplay for all.

More to the point of the OP, the lack of coordination between group leaders only adds to the frustration. This is not a war between factions. This is mayhem.

antihero727 · August 2016

PeggymoeXD wrote: »

You don't need leaders when you have six hundred million players on 24/7. You don't need organization either. There is a certain point when quantity trumps quality and AD in TF have definitely found it.

I see pop locked 3 faction most of the day. How is that more players than the other factions? Have you seen a PM raid? Do you play TF PC? Are you getting your news from FOX?

maxjapank · August 2016

antihero727 wrote: »

PeggymoeXD wrote: »

You don't need leaders when you have six hundred million players on 24/7. You don't need organization either. There is a certain point when quantity trumps quality and AD in TF have definitely found it.

I see pop locked 3 faction most of the day. How is that more players than the other factions? Have you seen a PM raid? Do you play TF PC? Are you getting your news from FOX?

You are looking at NA time. Oceanic time is very different.

Roechacca · August 2016

PeggymoeXD wrote: »

You don't need leaders when you have six hundred million players on 24/7. You don't need organization either. There is a certain point when quantity trumps quality and AD in TF have definitely found it.

All this talk from a ball group prox Det lollygag player that spends more on camps then receives in attempted farms? I suppose everyone has an opinion on "quality".

God_flakes · August 2016

antihero727 wrote: »

PeggymoeXD wrote: »

You don't need leaders when you have six hundred million players on 24/7. You don't need organization either. There is a certain point when quantity trumps quality and AD in TF have definitely found it.

I see pop locked 3 faction most of the day. How is that more players than the other factions? Have you seen a PM raid? Do you play TF PC? Are you getting your news from FOX?

Implying Commie News Network and PMSNBC are more honest...

FearlessOne_2014 · August 2016

starlizard70ub17_ESO wrote: »

I've been on TF as AD, (the only alliance I've ever been), for the last few weeks now, and I don't really think AD has any leaders. They have a few groups who go their own way to farm AP for themselves and couldn't care less about the campaign. Honestly, what's the point of feeding EP APs at the bridge north of Aliessa for hours on end, while losing the entire left side of the map. Or a emperor who directs people to cling to Roebeck while losing the rest of the map just so they be emperor for an extra hour or two. Or how about the groups that feeding DC APs at Nikel while the rest of DC takes everything behind it. Same thing happened with the Had campaign and now AD doesn't exist there in any numbers. People asked yesterday, "How the hell can AD be pop-locked and still be getting gate camped, owning nothing on the map?" The answer is simple, a lot of AD players are down in IC grinding away for T-Stones and couldn't care less about the Cryodiil campaign. I know some people who have never left the sewers from day one of IC. The populations of IC and Cryodiil really should be separated. Sadly to say, at this point, when, not if but when ZOS starts charging crowns to switch alliances, some of my characters will be switching out of AD.

Yeah same here AD is just a faction of a few large exclusive groups and pugs that refuse to get in TS only groups. So that leaves me to play boring as hell ganker or get farmed by EP and DC. All of my really good toons with Undaunted 9 are on AD, would be nice to transfer those out for 3000 crowns each. But to which faction? Just saying is all.

God_flakes · August 2016

PeggymoeXD wrote: »

You don't need leaders when you have six hundred million players on 24/7. You don't need organization either. There is a certain point when quantity trumps quality and AD in TF have definitely found it.

I am rather liking the ungrouped, organic feel of pvp lately. I think it's ok to have maybe one or two organized groups but I actually like to see most people running around solo, duo or trio. It makes it more unpredictable and dynamic. When every single player is in a large organized group you see map predictability, staleness and dare I say a sense of humdrum "this again" night after night because organized groups tend to follow patterns in their playstyle. Idk about Ep and ad zone, but DC TF lately has a comfortable chaos to it. As long as the pugs actually listen to us seasoned players and leaders and go where they're told. Tonight until about 9est was tough going for DC. But we pulled it together and managed to get coordinated.

JDar · August 2016

oh nevermind

DHale · August 2016

JDar wrote: »

oh nevermind

He defected and went to blue... Err ok that was you. Hugs and kisses except when ganked then no.... Luv.

Anazasi · August 2016

Roechacca wrote: »

PeggymoeXD wrote: »

You don't need leaders when you have six hundred million players on 24/7. You don't need organization either. There is a certain point when quantity trumps quality and AD in TF have definitely found it.

All this talk from a ball group prox Det lollygag player that spends more on camps then receives in attempted farms? I suppose everyone has an opinion on "quality".

I don't really know to whom you are speaking, and frankly i'm not sure if i really care either. I can tell you DK tries to stay on the brindle side of the map unless EP pushes into the south. Yes you will find us at sej or BRK or Drake even cropsford but that is mainly to stop EP incursions.

To be honest I don't like fighting Invictus. I have a lot of respect for those guys. Even Benom who has a smelly clam, which needs douching (stop t-bagging/ clam slamming it's disrespectful and truly shows poor sportsmanship). Too bad last night at BB was a bust. EP should have taking everything DC had when the opportunity presented itself. EP might have gotten into second place instead of third by continuing to push AD.

I should also point out that Invictus is one of the same types of groups you are complaining about. Stack behind a rock proxy and push. Then run away, drop a camp stack again just to proxy and run around something else. This is a great ball group strategy but hey guess what. The weakness is if you can't regroup to ball up again you loose. This is why DK spreads out waits for your confusing attempt to regroup, then we push you hard to where ever you go. We chase you down burn your camps and force you into an unorganized retreat across Cryodil, killing each one of you. This has been your main strategy for a very long time. Granted the last couple weeks we have seen more stam users in your groups, with new gear, but we are aware of it and while we may wipe a few times to you its temporary, the invictus / haxus days will soon be a passing chuckle of micro meta farming. The funny part is a train is only as good as the track you lay and when it derails death ensues. Organized group play is the only way to world PVP and while we all hate the multi raids that PM stack the fact that they can organize them, and use them is amazing and something to truly watch. It is an epic adventure to watch 2 or 3 organized groups work together in the open field.

huggs/ salutes/ kisses, you are all wonderful. see you on True Flame.

Anazasi · August 2016

[/quote]Yeah same here AD is just a faction of a few large exclusive groups and pugs that refuse to get in TS only groups. So that leaves me to play boring as hell ganker or get farmed by EP and DC. All of my really good toons with Undaunted 9 are on AD, would be nice to transfer those out for 3000 crowns each. But to which faction? Just saying is all.[/quote]

DK is not an exclusive guild. We have minimum requirements for membership (AD ONLY, LVL 50, CP 160>, TS) We take players in, help them, teach them, and yes on Friday's we get them drunk. But we are by no way exclusive. I have a very relaxed play your build approach. I am confident that in time each player will find the path to pvp success. Organized group play is fun especially when we all understand that its a game.

God_flakes · August 2016

Anazasi wrote: »

Yeah same here AD is just a faction of a few large exclusive groups and pugs that refuse to get in TS only groups. So that leaves me to play boring as hell ganker or get farmed by EP and DC. All of my really good toons with Undaunted 9 are on AD, would be nice to transfer those out for 3000 crowns each. But to which faction? Just saying is all.

DK is not an exclusive guild. We have minimum requirements for membership (AD ONLY, LVL 50, CP 160>, TS) We take players in, help them, teach them, and yes on Friday's we get them drunk. But we are by no way exclusive. I have a very relaxed play your build approach. I am confident that in time each player will find the path to pvp success. Organized group play is fun especially when we all understand that its a game.

Too bad I can't bring myself to play my AD Templar. Sounds like I'd fit right in