SourishWhale wrote: »

The game has been out over a year longer on PC, so I can understand that a lot of the population is at or near the cap, and I assume the data on PC suggests that an increase is needed.

Playing on PS4 NA, however, I see that the majority of the player base is not even close to cap!

There is already an incredible imbalance on console Pvp... This is only going to add to it.

In my opinion I just don't think the overall console player base is ready for these jumps in power.

For the sake of keeping any kind of competitiveness in 'vet level' PVP, the cap should be delayed by quite a long time on console.

Nope. I'm good for the next few updates so keep it coming. Make me stronger. Tbf I've maxed out thr most useful of the cp trees anyway do anymore makes very very little difference.

I they they are lagging behind on the CP numbers. It should be bumped.

IDK, I don't have the numbers that ZOS has, but my personal, totally subjective observation in my guilds, in the PUGs I run and the crowd I see in my main hub city places the majority of players in the 200-300 CP bracket (PS4/EU).

Not everyone likes to mindlessly grind CP's and many people enjoy creating adds, meaning no CP gain.

I think it's to early to raise the cap again, even if it's only 60 points.

SourishWhale wrote: »

The game has been out over a year longer on PC, so I can understand that a lot of the population is at or near the cap, and I assume the data on PC suggests that an increase is needed.

There were only 3 months between introduction of CP system and Console launch.

From what I've seen on the catch up mechanic getting the last point to hit cap takes about 440k exp. Assuming going from 501-531 or 531-561 there's not much exp difference between the start of the range and the end means in the worst case scenario of you get to cap just as its raised means you would need to get 13.2m exp to get 30CP before the next cap increase as if you can't do that you'll never be able to get to cap. Assuming the cap is increased by 30 every 3 months would mean you need 4.4m exp per month, with enlightenment this becomes 1.1m exp per month or about 250k exp per week. 1 random dungeon would give you 100k so doing that and a few of the repeatable quests would easily give enough experience to be slowly catching up. All but the very most casual of casual players should be able to get 250k experience per week.

The easiest way I have found to get CP is to join a group in PVP and just do bounty quests. If there is some big battles you can fill those in a matter of minutes! I think you earn around 70k xp for each one.

As far as balance goes: Thats tough. Regular players have more CP earned and want to use them. New players will be somewhat behind.
I think the enlightened periods could be extended more for the casuals who play less hours. And the XP increased for the regulars to slow the rate at which CP's are earned.


But overall I think there is more to playing this game than just getting a bunch of CP's and thinking that will make you good. There is an advantage to having more of them. but if you don't know what to do with them they are pretty much worthless. Learning how to use the CP to benefit your build and play style is the key.

No thank you I'm a filthy casual and sutting at over 600 now.

I'm fine with it, since they reworked the whole system and gave bonus points for VR ranks its daily even playing field.

CP Shouldn't even be in the game.

@Burning_Talons

I get that. Play more. Sure.

But that doesn't solve any problems with imbalance and a dying Pvp population.

Just to clarify, I don't have a problem with CP personally. I play enough, and the catch up is fine for me.

My concern is for the population of the game. It doesn't matter how much I play this game. Or how powerful I become, if there is nobody left to fight. One Tamriel is coming. What do you think that says about the state of the game?

Population is dying. If you love this game like I do, you need to help protect it. Or it will go away.

Most of the guys posting here don't seem to have the foresight to understand that. They just talk about wanting more "power". It seems very selfish and narsistic to me.

Not everyone has the time or interest to grind or play enough PVE to become viable in Pvp. It cripples a large portion of the player base, thus reducing the player base, and I just don't see the value in that. In the long run, imbalance is bad for EVERYONE.

I played since launch, and if you were there you will remember how much fun it was with full campaigns and there were raids all over the map. Because most people (aside from the PC transfers) were close to the same power level, the fights were more competitive and more about skill and coordination than just blasting people less powerful than yourself.

As time progresses, people who played more, became very powerful. Before battle leveling came in vet servers, people were quitting due to power imbalance, and the daunting grind.

If the cap goes up too quickly, those same types of players who have hung on this long, or are new to the game will end up giving up on Pvp and we will have nobody to fight.

For the most part, people can't be *** grinding.

Also, we both know Azura is not a viable option. The reason nobody goes there is because this game is balanced around CP combat. So Azura is slow and boring as a result.

I suggested this last year in someone else's thread, but they need to have a tiered CP campaign. Because of the way the game is balanced, the non CP campaign just doesn't work.

My suggestion is remove the Non CP campaign and make it a 300 CP capped Pvp campaign.


Everything else can stay the same. Cap keeps going up. Elites can battle elites. Lowbies can battle Lowbies. Would that be an ok solution?

Then people still get their CP and same gameplay balances, but they can also bridge the gap to true end game Pvp.

Yes this is an MMO and there should be an element of grinding for power, but it's also an Elder Scrolls game. People come here to enjoy the world, and immerse themselves in PVE. People should be able to play at their own pace, and then go and enjoy Pvp at a level that is competitive for all players, without sacrificing the gameplay.

Currently, that option doesn't exist.

As people who love to play this game, the needs of the entire population should be the concern of our efforts.

@Beardimus Thanks man. I knew the response would be mostly negative in the forums from guys who play a lot. It's a shame. People can't see the big picture.

I really enjoy this game. I've watched it become smaller and smaller and I don't want it to die.