NA PC TrueFlame AD leaders

Anazasi · August 2016

I wanted to toss this out there and in light of the known espionage that exists in zone chat i think its time to organize a AD TF leadership type chat that is secure from observing EYES. I also think its time all the AD guilds that fight on True Flame pull together and discuss what we need to do to make a stronger united faction. If any of the AD leaders on TF would like to discuss the next step for us as a faction post up here. If there is enough interest I will gladly host, create, or whatever is needed to make our fights more of a united effort.

yodased · August 2016

discord is free and exactly what you need beyond that its outside of the game, but it is slack for games.

http://discordapp.com

starlizard70ub17_ESO · August 2016

I've been on TF as AD, (the only alliance I've ever been), for the last few weeks now, and I don't really think AD has any leaders. They have a few groups who go their own way to farm AP for themselves and couldn't care less about the campaign. Honestly, what's the point of feeding EP APs at the bridge north of Aliessa for hours on end, while losing the entire left side of the map. Or a emperor who directs people to cling to Roebeck while losing the rest of the map just so they be emperor for an extra hour or two. Or how about the groups that feeding DC APs at Nikel while the rest of DC takes everything behind it. Same thing happened with the Had campaign and now AD doesn't exist there in any numbers. People asked yesterday, "How the hell can AD be pop-locked and still be getting gate camped, owning nothing on the map?" The answer is simple, a lot of AD players are down in IC grinding away for T-Stones and couldn't care less about the Cryodiil campaign. I know some people who have never left the sewers from day one of IC. The populations of IC and Cryodiil really should be separated. Sadly to say, at this point, when, not if but when ZOS starts charging crowns to switch alliances, some of my characters will be switching out of AD.

frozywozy · August 2016

Sadly the spies are everywhere. Few months ago I do remember calling 3 times in a 2hours period to hit Drake in zone and every single time when I arrived there (riding from Farragut), we were welcome by the same 24men ballgroup patrolling the walls. As much as I enjoy zone chat to rally a faction, sometimes it's simply better to create your own guild and invite people you trust to coordinate.

Rickter · August 2016

maybe you guys would consider moving to Haderus.

Ourorboros · August 2016

LOL, why do you need secret comms when you already show up to every attack to even keep resources with a full raid, or 2? You're winning the campaign again through overwhelming numbers. Besides, if other alliances are spying on AD, it's just as likely AD has their own spies. Secret comms for a game. Maybe you take this too seriously?

Anazasi · August 2016

Look folks, I play EASTERN time zone as does most, if not all of my guild. We know what a zerg looks like. We run 16-24 man group. We face off against 2 or 3 raids of PM nightly and at least 3 other DC guilds including the bored Haderus folks. The fact that most of the players have no concept that the planet is huge with 24 different time zones along with a game that runs 24/7 amazes me. I don't have any connections or control over what the oceanic guilds do and obviously neither do you. But coming here and complaining about AD carries the same impact as going to your mother to complain about how your sister stole your dolly.

The fact being I know we have 4 or 5 good guilds that run during MY time zone. There are probably more out there and If we can organize all of us for the better, then perhaps, just perhaps 60 players wont show up to defend against 24 attackers.

The fact that frozen has pointed out is true. Spies do exist. Every faction, at some point is monitoring opposing factions zone chat or activity. Espionage is real, ZOS has embraced it as a form of play. If we as a faction want to work together we need a way to do so either through an independent mechanic like discord or TS or we need to create a AD alliance guild so the discussions are not in zone chat.

To those that would like to see AD on Haderus during American prime time, well that's up to the individual guilds. I can say that Dominion Knights will not be moving any time soon. As long as EP and DC continue to stack up again AD, we are needed on True Flame.

Ghostbane · August 2016

A guild would be a good start. There have been quite a few editions of such in the past, but the only reason they fell was because of some less than savvy characters and the toxicity between certain guilds.

I don't think there is any real beef amongst the current AD brass, I know that Venatus and Hagnado will happily take part.

Telel · August 2016

starlizard70ub17_ESO wrote: »

I've been on TF as AD, (the only alliance I've ever been), for the last few weeks now, and I don't really think AD has any leaders. They have a few groups who go their own way to farm AP for themselves and couldn't care less about the campaign. Honestly, what's the point of feeding EP APs at the bridge north of Aliessa for hours on end, while losing the entire left side of the map. Or a emperor who directs people to cling to Roebeck while losing the rest of the map just so they be emperor for an extra hour or two. Or how about the groups that feeding DC APs at Nikel while the rest of DC takes everything behind it. Same thing happened with the Had campaign and now AD doesn't exist there in any numbers. People asked yesterday, "How the hell can AD be pop-locked and still be getting gate camped, owning nothing on the map?" The answer is simple, a lot of AD players are down in IC grinding away for T-Stones and couldn't care less about the Cryodiil campaign. I know some people who have never left the sewers from day one of IC. The populations of IC and Cryodiil really should be separated. Sadly to say, at this point, when, not if but when ZOS starts charging crowns to switch alliances, some of my characters will be switching out of AD.

This one thinks you're perhaps not playing on the NA PC server if you think that guilds like DK, COH, and UA aren't playing the map.

Telel doubly thinks this if you beleive it's the randoms and LFG spammers that are the ones pushing objectives while everyone else just helps level up griffs on the Alessia-Sej-BRK lemming run..

But in the event you are actyually on the correct server under discussion here khajiit will leave you wiht the wisdom they leave whenever the elves begin to elf up zone chat about how no one does what they want.

If you wish the dumbminion to follow your lead. Then you need to be leading a group.

If you want sewer leeches to find another server to screw over then...well the only way they'll move is if they start having to PVP down there. This one leaves how that happens up to you as they'd never suggest someone else make an alt purely for the purposes of butchering the folks who might as well be playing for the other team.

Agrippa_Invisus · August 2016

You should organize map pushes, keep takes, and scroll steals during the early morning hours when none of the spies are on.

That way no one will know your plans!

IxSTALKERxI · August 2016

Agrippa_Invisus wrote: »

You should organize map pushes, keep takes, and scroll steals during the early morning hours when none of the spies are on.

That way no one will know your plans!

Yeah there shouldn't be many spies online when the servers come online after this maintenance.

Agrippa_Invisus · August 2016

IxSTALKERxI wrote: »

Agrippa_Invisus wrote: »

You should organize map pushes, keep takes, and scroll steals during the early morning hours when none of the spies are on.

That way no one will know your plans!

Yeah there shouldn't be many spies online when the servers come online after this maintenance.

Sounds like a new and innovative strategy to try then.

ataggs · August 2016

Rekt Less is still small (but growing). We have been trying to pick up from zone as often as possible. I think coordinating smaller objectives for my group or teaming up with another group to support larger ones would be ideal. I've got a really great team that wants to help. I'm on between 7:30 and 10 ish Eastern time almost every night. I have a late night leader that comes on after that for a few hours.

IxSTALKERxI · August 2016

Agrippa_Invisus wrote: »

IxSTALKERxI wrote: »

Agrippa_Invisus wrote: »

You should organize map pushes, keep takes, and scroll steals during the early morning hours when none of the spies are on.

That way no one will know your plans!

Yeah there shouldn't be many spies online when the servers come online after this maintenance.

Sounds like a new and innovative strategy to try then.

It's actually not a new strategy. I've been setting my alarm clock at 3am every morning for the past 2 years so I can come online to ESO and PvDoor while everyone else is asleep.

Agrippa_Invisus · August 2016

IxSTALKERxI wrote: »

Agrippa_Invisus wrote: »

IxSTALKERxI wrote: »

Agrippa_Invisus wrote: »

You should organize map pushes, keep takes, and scroll steals during the early morning hours when none of the spies are on.

That way no one will know your plans!

Yeah there shouldn't be many spies online when the servers come online after this maintenance.

Sounds like a new and innovative strategy to try then.

It's actually not a new strategy. I've been setting my alarm clock at 3am every morning for the past 2 years so I can come online to ESO and PvDoor while everyone else is asleep.

Amazing!

See, it's long term strategies like this that foster competitiveness, good sportsmanship, and encourage players to come to Trueflame from the DC and EP factions. It'll feel like home to them, like they contribute regularly, and have good fun while doing it!

IxSTALKERxI · August 2016

Agrippa_Invisus wrote: »

IxSTALKERxI wrote: »

Agrippa_Invisus wrote: »

IxSTALKERxI wrote: »

Agrippa_Invisus wrote: »

You should organize map pushes, keep takes, and scroll steals during the early morning hours when none of the spies are on.

That way no one will know your plans!

Yeah there shouldn't be many spies online when the servers come online after this maintenance.

Sounds like a new and innovative strategy to try then.

It's actually not a new strategy. I've been setting my alarm clock at 3am every morning for the past 2 years so I can come online to ESO and PvDoor while everyone else is asleep.

Amazing!

See, it's long term strategies like this that foster competitiveness, good sportsmanship, and encourage players to come to Trueflame from the DC and EP factions. It'll feel like home to them, like they contribute regularly, and have good fun while doing it!

I agree, oceanic time is quite competitive at the moment. I have great fights with TKG and wormhole, who always demonstrate good sportsmanship and do an excellent job defending all of their keeps and scrolls despite being on only 2 bars population each night.

Daggerfall_Bones · August 2016

Spies - I honestly don't think their is anything you can do and just a small part of the larger problem. This cross faction communication/multi faction guild layout is a complete mess. This is the animation canceling of faction play. Can't fix it so just roll with it. Bar none one of the worst implementations of faction communication and multi faction PvP I've seen in any game. Not only can you just be a fair weather faction player in the same guild there are too many incentives not to do it. Can't get Emp or AP? Just change to an alt that inherits your CP. They need to lock your faction per account per campaign. They need a faction/guild reputation system like in guild wars to give you an incentive to be faction and guild loyal. There just is no reason not to float to a winning campaign and Zerg surf.

IC - The Imperial City and Cyrodill instances should be decoupled in terms of population. It was a good idea in theory but here we are with another flawed system in which there is seemingly no way out.

Guilds - I get it with the long time players and min/max crowd. The campaign means nothing when you can farm low end groups for massive AP gains. When you've done everything else there is no point in participating in the campaign. I would remove ticks and add flat AP bonuses for holding keeps or scrolls. This would give more incentive to raid keeps than setting up tower farms on the opposite end is the map.

moiraleafcull · August 2016

Anazasi wrote: »

The fact being I know we have 4 or 5 good guilds that run during MY time zone. There are probably more out there and If we can organize all of us for the better, then perhaps, just perhaps 60 players wont show up to defend against 24 attackers.

Maybe they are all at Nikel?

Daggerfall_Bones · August 2016

moiraleafcull wrote: »

Anazasi wrote: »

The fact being I know we have 4 or 5 good guilds that run during MY time zone. There are probably more out there and If we can organize all of us for the better, then perhaps, just perhaps 60 players wont show up to defend against 24 attackers.

Maybe they are all at Nikel?

Heh, Sometimes.

Agrippa_Invisus · August 2016

IxSTALKERxI wrote: »

Agrippa_Invisus wrote: »

IxSTALKERxI wrote: »

Agrippa_Invisus wrote: »

IxSTALKERxI wrote: »

Agrippa_Invisus wrote: »

You should organize map pushes, keep takes, and scroll steals during the early morning hours when none of the spies are on.

That way no one will know your plans!

Yeah there shouldn't be many spies online when the servers come online after this maintenance.

Sounds like a new and innovative strategy to try then.

It's actually not a new strategy. I've been setting my alarm clock at 3am every morning for the past 2 years so I can come online to ESO and PvDoor while everyone else is asleep.

Amazing!

See, it's long term strategies like this that foster competitiveness, good sportsmanship, and encourage players to come to Trueflame from the DC and EP factions. It'll feel like home to them, like they contribute regularly, and have good fun while doing it!

I agree, oceanic time is quite competitive at the moment. I have great fights with TKG and wormhole, who always demonstrate good sportsmanship and do an excellent job defending all of their keeps and scrolls despite being on only 2 bars population each night.

Yup!

Because raw numbers never tell in the current state of the game, only pure skill. Which is why an emperor has ever been crowned on Trueflame this current cycle, because such skilled guilds can't be overwhelmed by the amount of force a single faction can bring in off hours.

It warms my heart to the very bottom of its cockles to know this.

One more suggestion --

If you want to do a leadership guild to help coordinate everyone, you should call it 'Yellowcore'. I think that name would be spiffy!

Rohamad_Ali · August 2016

If you offer sweetrolls , they will come .

Minnesinger · August 2016

AD zone chat is so stupid sometimes I let EP and DC spies rot in awe of (self censored some of the names but all know who talk most bs).

Recremen · August 2016

I totally appreciate the notion of working together more, but I don't think we need a dedicated AD lead coordination chat. The leaders of the prominent guilds are already in a fair amount of private communication, which is one of the reasons we're winning this campaign again. Probably the best thing AD can do right now is encourage pugs to form their own guilds and get more experience fighting. Trueflame on NA PC is THE competitive campaign, yet we have so many poor lost pugs running around! I know there are some folks doing pug wrangling, but I think an achievable improvement would be to get the pugs to form guilds and work out new leadership.

We may also need to put the pugs that show up consistently through some kind of a bootcamp. I still see people trying to use fire trebs on walls, or hitting postern doors instead of the wall/stair, or sieging people instead of the wall when the keep isn't even flagged yet. The poor dears need a lot of instruction!

We also need to be more vigilant about toxic exchanges. While it's true that people who've switched to AD have expressed time and again that we're the "least toxic" chat, that doesn't mean we don't have our fair share of naughtiness. Let's keep AD #1 by holding ourselves to the highest standard!

Telel · August 2016

Recremen wrote: »

I totally appreciate the notion of working together more, but I don't think we need a dedicated AD lead coordination chat. The leaders of the prominent guilds are already in a fair amount of private communication, which is one of the reasons we're winning this campaign again. Probably the best thing AD can do right now is encourage pugs to form their own guilds and get more experience fighting. Trueflame on NA PC is THE competitive campaign, yet we have so many poor lost pugs running around! I know there are some folks doing pug wrangling, but I think an achievable improvement would be to get the pugs to form guilds and work out new leadership.

We may also need to put the pugs that show up consistently through some kind of a bootcamp. I still see people trying to use fire trebs on walls, or hitting postern doors instead of the wall/stair, or sieging people instead of the wall when the keep isn't even flagged yet. The poor dears need a lot of instruction!

We also need to be more vigilant about toxic exchanges. While it's true that people who've switched to AD have expressed time and again that we're the "least toxic" chat, that doesn't mean we don't have our fair share of naughtiness. Let's keep AD #1 by holding ourselves to the highest standard!

COH actually does hold a training group every Monday-ish which the teacher occasionally invites randoms into.

Telel and the pack also used to run at least a few PUGs during the week but between the growth of our guild, and the general selfishness of many many players we've had to scale back. It makes this one's whiskers droop with sadness but it is what the moons shine upon.

Though this one has noted that if everyone in the game who made demands of other players would lead a group of some kind then the Dumbminion's deficit of actual leaders would turn into a vast surplus.

Crown · August 2016

I just helped a friend set up a Discord server for something like this on another game. It works very well.. If you want to see how it works (or just use what I set up to show you), @Anazasi @Telel @Recremen @IxSTALKERxI and anyone else I know is AD, please hop into the server and i'll give you permissions to assign roles etc:

https://discord.gg/mrAUfGh

Anyone can join the server, but only those with permissions can join the appropriate channels.

You're also better off downloading the client than using the web interface.

Daggerfall_Bones · August 2016

I would encourage more guilds. I started one just 2 months ago. We run consistantly just about everyday and have a solid core. I did with picking up players from zone, starter zones and the guild recruitment forum.

My style isn't for everyone in terms of leadership or gameplay but you need different styles to accommodate different types of players. We have over 150 players with about 20+ in a pretty solid core and this just took two months. Also, with what we lack in CP max players, gear and experience we make up for it in other areas and do quite well considering. There are very few groups we aren't competitive with.

And cooperate with your faction. We have guilds and groups that work together. BoD will coordinate some keep takes and does a lot of the heavy lifting in our campaigns. I'm seeing more Iron Legion after they got some from a merger and looking stronger. We have our small man tower farm groups as well. Daggerfall Pride is a good place if you are new to PvP, we have lots of players new to the game and we'll pick up from zone if there are not others doing it. And Shadowgrabber who picks up the slack and forms groups quite often from zone.

Manoekin · August 2016

It's overrated. Even if you're going to siege a keep in the back line it's not some something requiring some sort of faction conspiracy. You just whisper some other dude and try to time things well with their group. Any other call out is not impacted by saying it in zone. It'll keep the more casual and puggy guilds interested as they (from my experience) enjoy the interaction between guilds. That's about it I think.

Lord-Stien · August 2016

Anazasi wrote: »

I wanted to toss this out there and in light of the known espionage that exists in zone chat i think its time to organize a AD TF leadership type chat that is secure from observing EYES. I also think its time all the AD guilds that fight on True Flame pull together and discuss what we need to do to make a stronger united faction. If any of the AD leaders on TF would like to discuss the next step for us as a faction post up here. If there is enough interest I will gladly host, create, or whatever is needed to make our fights more of a united effort.

To be honest... if you want a more unified front... you need guilds..... and or groups of people willing to put up with pugs and push them to multiple fronts at the same time.

That is how a lot of DC guilds work...

For example.. on TF Most of the Guild PVP group leader message each other... tho we may not like each other.. we know what each group can bring to the table and where they might do the best on the map..

Yes I feel your pain... Sometimes working with other groups makes you feel icky inside... but sometimes you got to work with them a little bit..

As for the Peeps herding the mindless pugs....... good luck....

The DC PVP Guild's love running into them...( something about sweet tasty and easy AP)

Daggerfall_Bones · August 2016

Lord-Stien wrote: »

Anazasi wrote: »

I wanted to toss this out there and in light of the known espionage that exists in zone chat i think its time to organize a AD TF leadership type chat that is secure from observing EYES. I also think its time all the AD guilds that fight on True Flame pull together and discuss what we need to do to make a stronger united faction. If any of the AD leaders on TF would like to discuss the next step for us as a faction post up here. If there is enough interest I will gladly host, create, or whatever is needed to make our fights more of a united effort.

To be honest... if you want a more unified front... you need guilds..... and or groups of people willing to put up with pugs and push them to multiple fronts at the same time.

That is how a lot of DC guilds work...

For example.. on TF Most of the Guild PVP group leader message each other... tho we may not like each other.. we know what each group can bring to the table and where they might do the best on the map..

Yes I feel your pain... Sometimes working with other groups makes you feel icky inside... but sometimes you got to work with them a little bit..

As for the Peeps herding the mindless pugs....... good luck....

The DC PVP Guild's love running into them...( something about sweet tasty and easy AP)

I like all the other leads I know and drop in on their channels from time to time. In the heat of battle we'll talk trash but next day it is bygones for me.

And yeah we steamroll probably 70% of what's out there currently and getting better.

ataggs · August 2016

Just a quick second to correct some misconceptions. This whole idea that people looking for group are mindless and beneath those who have a guild group is wrong. I have found high CP, well geared and experienced players in zone looking for group. It's insulting to those who might be new to pvp and trying it out or someone who has decided to faction change.

Celas_Dranacea · August 2016

I feel like almost all the leaders on AD side are very willing to coordinate its just a bit hard to do in real time when you are giving calls in TS, checking the map, responding to zone and whispers and fighting. In the few times I lead I know this can be challenging.

Practically, I think it's a good philosphy to call out where your group is when your defending or if your already at a keep that is flagged - avoiding doing so when sharing puts you in threat of spies. This way, if other leaders want to coordinate they know you are running and can decide to whisper you.

COH is always willing to coordinate - keep in mind that depending on the crown / composition of our group / situation on the map, coordination with other guilds may or may not be feasible... but we try our best!

Btw ty all AD guilds for your hard work!