Isn't Guild Trader collusion awesome?
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DrkHunter86✭✭✭It have nothing to do with guild vendors.
New DLC brings up more players;
More players brings up more demand;
More demand inflates prices.
Guild vendors are great.
I wonder if it also is due too them being harder too obtain. I know pre db patch I would get 1 dreugh wax every few clothing writ and after I'm lucky too get 1 out of every dozen writs. While rosin is alot more common. I get one every 3 writs or so.1 -
Fallen_Ray✭✭✭✭✭xilfxlegion wrote: »QuebraRegra wrote: »Sigh, That is what the major guilds are trying to do...control the entire market.
I simply want a better system. You are being destructive instead of constructive.
How about some better ideas from you to address the complaints with this system?
What better system do you want? An auction house would cause this problem to be significantly worse, and the idea of something like a "Tamriel Trade Commission" to break up price fixing cartels is absurd.
What exactly do you want besides cheap mats?
respectfully disagree...
An auction house would allow the independents to add to the competition. Overall it would add to market stability, wherein the lowest price wins, and not a ridiculous "search and ye shall find" clusternut.
AUCTION HOUSE! AUCTION HOUSE! AUCTION HOUSE!!!!
i am guessing that all of you ranting for an auction house have never actually played a game with an auction house, of you would realize how horrible they are.
I can tell you they are not. From my experience in other games like Tera Rising for example, I can always sell any loot i get out of dungeons at a nice price and it often sells quickly. Unlike here in ESO where I get most of my merchandise returned to me after 30 days.
***Edited some typos***Edited by Fallen_Ray on August 18, 2016 7:03PM"Dear brother, I do not spread rumors, I create them"- Lucien Lachance0 -
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✭✭✭On console I still can't figure out how players have 2-4k stacks of dreugh wax rosin and tempering....0 -
xilfxlegion✭✭✭✭✭Fallen_Ray wrote: »xilfxlegion wrote: »Fallen_Ray wrote: »It have nothing to do with guild vendors.
New DLC brings up more players;
More players brings up more demand;
More demand inflates prices.
Guild vendors are great.
Great at keeping the elite merchant guilds on the top and keeping on the bottom those that can't joint a good merchant guild. It's a flawed system that states: "If you don't win a 5 million gold bid on a popular trader you won't sell a thing" THose who control the popular traders in each region's capital have the gig monopolized.
Which is why I always see the same guilds in the same areas. BUT HEY!!! "It's working as intended" Right ZOS staff?
and you cannot join a guild because ?
I already belong to 5 guilds that can't always get a trader. But I do identify myself with those players that haven't been able to join a good guild or any at all.
message me on live and i will get you an invite to a good guild0 -
Shadeaux✭✭✭xilfxlegion wrote: »
sigh.jedtb16_ESO wrote: »here we go again...
I suppose we could take the Ostrich approach and just pretend is isn't happening.
....or, just going to throw this out there, you could go farm your own.
I do farm my own.
So, to be clear, you are FOR this system that allows this?
You are AGAINST a better system that doesn't allow guilds to form monopolies?
no one here said they were " for " this or against it. -- but the very idea youre peddling is the only one that could possibly create a monopoly.
Um, no, actually there are much better systems than this. Even the one they had in the precursor to this game :DAoC.
For instance, why can't I search ALL trader inventory at once? Why do I need to even have a "spot" for my trader? The limited spots allows "normal" people to be priced out.
I AM IN ONE OF THESE GUILDS
I cannot sell you a TA for less than 18k or I will be kicked.
Notice the part I bolded.
I have a huge feeling you are misunderstanding your guild leader. When they say there is a minimum sale number, they are usually referring to a specific time period(Most often one week). They are not referring to how much individual items should sell for.
No one in their right mind would buy a TA for 18k. On any system. On any server.
No, there are specific minimum prices for certain items on all the big guilds, who have millions and millions of gold to effectively lock down the traders. TA, Rosin, Wax, nirncrux, etc. you are only allowed to sell below set price if you sell in bulk. And they are all doing this. You should hear the drama.
Right now, guild message has the minimum price for all these type of items. TA is currently 18k minimum. Sell below that and you get kicked.
The price before that was 13k, and 10 before that. Everyone who is in the market for these items knows exactly when these jumps happened.
The people who say it isn't happening are simply wrong, or don't want their racket exposed.
Edited by Shadeaux on August 18, 2016 7:08PM2 -
jedtb16_ESO✭✭✭✭✭
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Yes, if OP does not have time to farm his own materials, he should not be playing at all.Taleof2Cities wrote: »Others in this thread have said it ... but I'll reiterate it --
If you're personally unhappy with guild store prices, reduce your reliance on them by doing some farming of your own.
These types of threads really do get quite tiring ...
In fact, I think we should remove any kind of trading between players. This would make the game even more amazing.
arrrgggggghhhhhh noooooooooooooooooooo...................................
that's how i make most of my gold, direct sales.0 -
Fallen_Ray✭✭✭✭✭xilfxlegion wrote: »Fallen_Ray wrote: »xilfxlegion wrote: »Fallen_Ray wrote: »It have nothing to do with guild vendors.
New DLC brings up more players;
More players brings up more demand;
More demand inflates prices.
Guild vendors are great.
Great at keeping the elite merchant guilds on the top and keeping on the bottom those that can't joint a good merchant guild. It's a flawed system that states: "If you don't win a 5 million gold bid on a popular trader you won't sell a thing" THose who control the popular traders in each region's capital have the gig monopolized.
Which is why I always see the same guilds in the same areas. BUT HEY!!! "It's working as intended" Right ZOS staff?
and you cannot join a guild because ?
I already belong to 5 guilds that can't always get a trader. But I do identify myself with those players that haven't been able to join a good guild or any at all.
message me on live and i will get you an invite to a good guild
Live?!!!!!... aw man Im on PS4... Platform borders gotta hate em sometimes"Dear brother, I do not spread rumors, I create them"- Lucien Lachance0 -
DeadDealer✭✭✭
No, there are specific minimum prices for certain items on all the big guilds, who have millions and millions of gold to effectively lock down the traders. TA, Rosin, Wax, nirncrux, etc. you are only allowed to sell below set price if you sell in bulk. And they are all doing this. You should hear the drama.
The people who say it isn't happening are simply wrong, or don't want their racket exposed.
sorry but its ***
i am a member of few TOP trading guilds
there is no such rulers like you described
PLEASE PROOF, or delete your post because it looks like you trying to lie to whole community lol
Edited by DeadDealer on August 18, 2016 7:09PM2 -
Fallen_Ray✭✭✭✭✭jedtb16_ESO wrote: »
Yes, if OP does not have time to farm his own materials, he should not be playing at all.Taleof2Cities wrote: »Others in this thread have said it ... but I'll reiterate it --
If you're personally unhappy with guild store prices, reduce your reliance on them by doing some farming of your own.
These types of threads really do get quite tiring ...
In fact, I think we should remove any kind of trading between players. This would make the game even more amazing.
arrrgggggghhhhhh noooooooooooooooooooo...................................
that's how i make most of my gold, direct sales.
I'm intrigued, I myself am quite shy to be a shouting merchant. However do you manage it?"Dear brother, I do not spread rumors, I create them"- Lucien Lachance0 -
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✭✭xilfxlegion wrote: »
sigh.jedtb16_ESO wrote: »here we go again...
I suppose we could take the Ostrich approach and just pretend is isn't happening.
....or, just going to throw this out there, you could go farm your own.
I do farm my own.
So, to be clear, you are FOR this system that allows this?
You are AGAINST a better system that doesn't allow guilds to form monopolies?
no one here said they were " for " this or against it. -- but the very idea youre peddling is the only one that could possibly create a monopoly.
Um, no, actually there are much better systems than this. Even the one they had in the precursor to this game :DAoC.
For instance, why can't I search ALL trader inventory at once? Why do I need to even have a "spot" for my trader? The limited spots allows "normal" people to be priced out.
I AM IN ONE OF THESE GUILDS
I cannot sell you a TA for less than 18k or I will be kicked.
Notice the part I bolded.
I have a huge feeling you are misunderstanding your guild leader. When they say there is a minimum sale number, they are usually referring to a specific time period(Most often one week). They are not referring to how much individual items should sell for.
No one in their right mind would buy a TA for 18k. On any system. On any server.
No, there are specific minimum prices for certain items on all the big guilds, who have millions and millions of gold to effectively lock down the traders. TA, Rosin, Wax, nirncrux, etc. you are only allowed to sell below set price if you sell in bulk. And they are all doing this. You should hear the drama.
Right now, guild message has the minimum price for all these type of items. TA is currently 18k minimum. Sell below that and you get kicked.
The price before that was 13k, and 10 before that. Everyone who is in the market for these items knows exactly when these jumps happened.
The people who say it isn't happening are simply wrong, or don't want their racket exposed.
your solution is simple then. leave the guild and offer for sale direct, at your chosen price, to other players.1 -
Shadeaux✭✭✭I can't "proof" anything without violating the naming and shaming rules, I don't think.0
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You will be able to sell to NPCs, just not to players.jedtb16_ESO wrote: »
Yes, if OP does not have time to farm his own materials, he should not be playing at all.Taleof2Cities wrote: »Others in this thread have said it ... but I'll reiterate it --
If you're personally unhappy with guild store prices, reduce your reliance on them by doing some farming of your own.
These types of threads really do get quite tiring ...
In fact, I think we should remove any kind of trading between players. This would make the game even more amazing.
arrrgggggghhhhhh noooooooooooooooooooo...................................
that's how i make most of my gold, direct sales.
Also, this would close forever this debate.
It's a win-win situation for everyone.Zeerok (the sneaky ruffian) - LV50 Bosmer stamblade DPS (AD)
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DeadDealer✭✭✭I can't "proof" anything without violating the naming and shaming rules, I don't think.
you can screenshot the Mesage of the day
if the rulers not in MotD - they not working
simple rule
i am in ETU, Hlaalu TC, Market Palace, BBC and BBC2
its top trading guilds and there is NO SUCH rulers of minimum prices for specific items
i dont know why you lied to us, really
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Shadeaux✭✭✭DeadDealer wrote: »I can't "proof" anything without violating the naming and shaming rules, I don't think.
you can screenshot the Mesage of the day
if the rulers not in MotD - they not working
simple rule
i am in ETU, Hlaalu TC, Market Palace, BBC and BBC2
its top trading guilds and there is NO SUCH rulers of minimum prices for specific items
i dont know why you lied to us, really
Interesting you mentioned the message of the day, where none of this happens
How do I post a pic to this forum?
Edited by Shadeaux on August 18, 2016 7:20PM0 -
DeadDealer✭✭✭like to any other forums
google how to upload pictures on forums Edited by DeadDealer on August 18, 2016 7:18PM0 -
jedtb16_ESO✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Fallen_Ray wrote: »jedtb16_ESO wrote: »
Yes, if OP does not have time to farm his own materials, he should not be playing at all.Taleof2Cities wrote: »Others in this thread have said it ... but I'll reiterate it --
If you're personally unhappy with guild store prices, reduce your reliance on them by doing some farming of your own.
These types of threads really do get quite tiring ...
In fact, I think we should remove any kind of trading between players. This would make the game even more amazing.
arrrgggggghhhhhh noooooooooooooooooooo...................................
that's how i make most of my gold, direct sales.
I'm intrigued, I myself am quite shy to be a shouting merchant. However do you manage it?
erm.... you just go to /zchat and type wts whatever it is. if anyone sees it and wants to buy they will whisper you.... you meet, exchange.... job done.
if its stuff that is in moderate demand or you just want to shift put a reasonable price on it. if it is stuff that is high demand i generally don't put a price... people will usually make an offer if they want it. started for me with psijic ambrosia fragments and perfect roe also purple motifs.
don't be shy....1 -
Waffennacht✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭@Shadeaux gotta host pic on other sites like photo bucket then put link in message
Regional collusion definitely exists.
I only farm my own can't afford 20k or even 8k rosin lol1 -
Uriel_Nocturne✭✭✭✭✭
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I call bull ***.xilfxlegion wrote: »
sigh.jedtb16_ESO wrote: »here we go again...
I suppose we could take the Ostrich approach and just pretend is isn't happening.
....or, just going to throw this out there, you could go farm your own.
I do farm my own.
So, to be clear, you are FOR this system that allows this?
You are AGAINST a better system that doesn't allow guilds to form monopolies?
no one here said they were " for " this or against it. -- but the very idea youre peddling is the only one that could possibly create a monopoly.
Um, no, actually there are much better systems than this. Even the one they had in the precursor to this game :DAoC.
For instance, why can't I search ALL trader inventory at once? Why do I need to even have a "spot" for my trader? The limited spots allows "normal" people to be priced out.
I AM IN ONE OF THESE GUILDS
I cannot sell you a TA for less than 18k or I will be kicked.
Notice the part I bolded.
I have a huge feeling you are misunderstanding your guild leader. When they say there is a minimum sale number, they are usually referring to a specific time period(Most often one week). They are not referring to how much individual items should sell for.
No one in their right mind would buy a TA for 18k. On any system. On any server.
No, there are specific minimum prices for certain items on all the big guilds, who have millions and millions of gold to effectively lock down the traders. TA, Rosin, Wax, nirncrux, etc. you are only allowed to sell below set price if you sell in bulk. And they are all doing this. You should hear the drama.
Right now, guild message has the minimum price for all these type of items. TA is currently 18k minimum. Sell below that and you get kicked.
The price before that was 13k, and 10 before that. Everyone who is in the market for these items knows exactly when these jumps happened.
The people who say it isn't happening are simply wrong, or don't want their racket exposed.
For the longest time, I was in Old Man Meta (on Xbox Live). One of the "bigger" trade guilds in the Xbox NA server (I say "bigger" because there are bigger guilds...), and I've been a member of some of the largest and most successful large trading Guilds in this game on both the PC and the Xbox versions.
Never have I seen a Guild Master flat out tell his/her Guildies that there was a minimum price on specific items. Doing so is doomed to drive your Guild to failure, or a mass exodus of players who know that those prices won't stay that high for long.
If your Guild Master has taken this kind of turn in governance, then you need to leave that Guild posthaste.
But I say you're being... willfully incorrect by saying that "all the big guilds" or even "most of the big Guilds" are telling their guild members to fix prices like this.
But, this will probably pass right over you... anyone who disagrees is part of the collusion, right?
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jedtb16_ESO✭✭✭✭✭
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You will be able to sell to NPCs, just not to players.jedtb16_ESO wrote: »
Yes, if OP does not have time to farm his own materials, he should not be playing at all.Taleof2Cities wrote: »Others in this thread have said it ... but I'll reiterate it --
If you're personally unhappy with guild store prices, reduce your reliance on them by doing some farming of your own.
These types of threads really do get quite tiring ...
In fact, I think we should remove any kind of trading between players. This would make the game even more amazing.
arrrgggggghhhhhh noooooooooooooooooooo...................................
that's how i make most of my gold, direct sales.
Also, this would close forever this debate.
It's a win-win situation for everyone.
you are a very harsh person.... you will not be on the christmas card list this year.
and i think you should look at the definition of win-win againEdited by jedtb16_ESO on August 18, 2016 7:23PM3 -
KingYogi415✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Prices seem a solid 16.3 on console, up from 15.
But I guess the sky is falling right, where do I buy a helmet?
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xilfxlegion✭✭✭✭✭i am inUriel_Nocturne wrote: »
I call bull ***.xilfxlegion wrote: »
sigh.jedtb16_ESO wrote: »here we go again...
I suppose we could take the Ostrich approach and just pretend is isn't happening.
....or, just going to throw this out there, you could go farm your own.
I do farm my own.
So, to be clear, you are FOR this system that allows this?
You are AGAINST a better system that doesn't allow guilds to form monopolies?
no one here said they were " for " this or against it. -- but the very idea youre peddling is the only one that could possibly create a monopoly.
Um, no, actually there are much better systems than this. Even the one they had in the precursor to this game :DAoC.
For instance, why can't I search ALL trader inventory at once? Why do I need to even have a "spot" for my trader? The limited spots allows "normal" people to be priced out.
I AM IN ONE OF THESE GUILDS
I cannot sell you a TA for less than 18k or I will be kicked.
Notice the part I bolded.
I have a huge feeling you are misunderstanding your guild leader. When they say there is a minimum sale number, they are usually referring to a specific time period(Most often one week). They are not referring to how much individual items should sell for.
No one in their right mind would buy a TA for 18k. On any system. On any server.
No, there are specific minimum prices for certain items on all the big guilds, who have millions and millions of gold to effectively lock down the traders. TA, Rosin, Wax, nirncrux, etc. you are only allowed to sell below set price if you sell in bulk. And they are all doing this. You should hear the drama.
Right now, guild message has the minimum price for all these type of items. TA is currently 18k minimum. Sell below that and you get kicked.
The price before that was 13k, and 10 before that. Everyone who is in the market for these items knows exactly when these jumps happened.
The people who say it isn't happening are simply wrong, or don't want their racket exposed.
For the longest time, I was in Old Man Meta (on Xbox Live). One of the "bigger" trade guilds in the Xbox NA server (I say "bigger" because there are bigger guilds...), and I've been a member of some of the largest and most successful large trading Guilds in this game on both the PC and the Xbox versions.
Never have I seen a Guild Master flat out tell his/her Guildies that there was a minimum price on specific items. Doing so is doomed to drive your Guild to failure, or a mass exodus of players who know that those prices won't stay that high for long.
If your Guild Master has taken this kind of turn in governance, then you need to leave that Guild posthaste.
But I say you're being... willfully incorrect by saying that "all the big guilds" or even "most of the big Guilds" are telling their guild members to fix prices like this.
But, this will probably pass right over you... anyone who disagrees is part of the collusion, right?
agreed. one of the ones i am in is Old man meta. we dont have these rules. neither do the other guilds i am in.
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Shadeaux✭✭✭I can't seem to post a pic without having it hosted somewhere.
Edited by Shadeaux on August 18, 2016 7:36PM0 -
KingYogi415✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭I have seen the guild trader price in Elden root go for 3 to 8 mil within 2 months.
8 mill for a trader is crazy that it's the norm
Top players help pay for these guild, the same players who have gold mats stockpiled.
You can thank ZOS for constantly defecating all over the trading community by scheduling maintenance during the already ridiculous bid times. Not once, but over and over again, each time guilds will throw down a mill more then usual to secure their spot.
ZOS is too smart of a company for me to think any of this happens on accident, maybe in ZOS's eyes it's good for the economy...
Cheers!Edited by KingYogi415 on August 18, 2016 7:38PM0 -
Elfbait✭✭✭This is pretty much why I only buy and sell through Reddit and the like.
And they say that PvP only happens in Cyrodiil...0 -
Uriel_Nocturne✭✭✭✭✭
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That's generally how online Forums work.I can't seem to post a pic without having it hosted somewhere.
Just go to Imgur. It's free, and you just grab the "direct link" and paste it into the test box here after making an account. Simple.
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Shadeaux✭✭✭DeadDealer wrote: »like to any other forums
google how to upload pictures on forumsUriel_Nocturne wrote: »
Yea, not going to bother with all that. Naysayers will simply say I fabricated it anyway.
Choose to believe what you want.
What I know to be true is that my guilds minimum mandated (mandated on MOTD) prices went up to exactly the same amounts (18k) as all other traders at the exact same time. I have not found a TA for under 17k, and only one trader had those. Everywhere else it is 18k to 21K. Our price mandate also went from 10k to 13K at precisely the same time as everywhere else just a few weeks ago. I also have evidence of past collusion between trading guilds.
To be fair, collusion is not a crime in this game. I just want a better system.
I guess eBay really missed the economics on having an auction house or ability to buy direct from seller. That doesn't work, at all.Edited by Shadeaux on August 18, 2016 7:47PM1 -
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✭✭DeadDealer wrote: »like to any other forums
google how to upload pictures on forumsUriel_Nocturne wrote: »
Yea, not going to bother with all that. Naysayers will simply say I fabricated it anyway.
Choose to believe what you want.
rofl.....
sorry but....2