Isn't Guild Trader collusion awesome?
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✭✭xilfxlegion wrote: »DRXHarbinger wrote: »Yep its going on XB EU. From 14.5 an alloy now to over 18k most are 20k solid now. Stupid.
yes --- dont buy them. if people dont buy them, the price will come back down.
I'm not. Never will. Esp as half of that will still be left overs from survey glitches. It's all the same people doing it. No one always had that many alloys for sale all at once all the time. But low and behold one person on one guild in Rawlka has 22 alloys up for sale right now alone.PC Master Race
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✭Everyone saying how hard it would be to manipulate prices in this system are wrong. All you would need is 5-6 guild leaders in a party and it's done.
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KaleidoscopeEyz✭✭✭✭That happens every time a DLC drops. It's because we all know that players are returning and they'll want to craft new gear. It's called supply and demand. Demand just increased while supply stayed the same = price increase. Economics is hard.2 -
xilfxlegion✭✭✭✭✭DRXHarbinger wrote: »xilfxlegion wrote: »DRXHarbinger wrote: »Yep its going on XB EU. From 14.5 an alloy now to over 18k most are 20k solid now. Stupid.
yes --- dont buy them. if people dont buy them, the price will come back down.
I'm not. Never will. Esp as half of that will still be left overs from survey glitches. It's all the same people doing it. No one always had that many alloys for sale all at once all the time. But low and behold one person on one guild in Rawlka has 22 alloys up for sale right now alone.
a guy in lunacy bought almost 300 of them in the last few weeks. he sold every one of them yesterday for 10k each. i found a bunch more for 10 to 12k each yesterday. so yes, some scuzzies went and bought a ton of them to control the market, but no, they cannot control the entire market. i wont spend 20k on one, regardless of how bad i think i need one. as long as people wont pay crazy prices, then the prices will come down.
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xilfxlegion✭✭✭✭✭Shad0wfire99 wrote: »Everyone saying how hard it would be to manipulate prices in this system are wrong. All you would need is 5-6 guild leaders in a party and it's done.
they can manipulate part of the market for a limited time. whereas if there was an auction house they could manipulate the entire market all of the time.
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✭✭jedtb16_ESO wrote: »here we go again...
I suppose we could take the Ostrich approach and just pretend it isn't happening.
or we could take the empiric approach - which is what i just did, hopped on one of my toons and did a tour of the major hubs and some of the out of the way traders checking on the prices for dreugh wax and tempering alloy.
this is what i found -
dreugh wax price range 6300 to 15000
tempering alloy price range 8750 to 16300
collusion on prices?
only in the ops imagination.2 -
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✭✭✭✭jedtb16_ESO wrote: »here we go again...
I suppose we could take the Ostrich approach and just pretend is isn't happening.
....or, just going to throw this out there, you could go farm your own.
I do farm my own.
So, to be clear, you are FOR this system that allows this?
You are AGAINST a better system that doesn't allow guilds to form monopolies in the "best" locations.
Each individual player sets the price of the items they want to sell. Nothing could be further from monopolization. Prices even out based one the markets supply and demand. Put down the tinfoil hat and pick up an economics book.
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✭✭✭✭✭TequilaFire wrote: »I tried to leave my reagents at the same price, they sell real fast to the same guys I can find selling on other traders for more.
Yes I guess that is opportunity, but greed in games suck.
There are two ways to sell, as a Retailer hoping to get the most gold, which can take a while, or as a Wholesaler pricing it low to move it fast and get your gold.
Ultimately, I think you can get more GPD (Gold Per Day) being a wholesaler.Enjoy the game, life is what you really want to be worried about.
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AtmaDarkwolf✭✭✭one thing is, regardless of console or pc/mac, if they put in a auction house, this will only get worse.
If everything is in one spot, and I can search via a single 'window', I could easily snap up every single item of a given name at any price I choose, and repost it at whatever price I want. If I had a few million, and aimed at taking down wax, I could easily triple my cash without taking 2 steps.
Not totally arguing FOR the current system (IMO I think its stupid) but without some new mechanic (IE: items bought off guild traders become bound, IE: no reselling) or other way to depreciate items once purchased off traders, there will ALWAYS be this issue of price gouging on items of limited availability/high value.
The only way to combat it yourself/currently is to just post (in mass, more than one person) the items at 'proper' prices.0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Anyone notice that tempering alloy just went up in price at pretty much all traders at exact same time?
In real life, that's a crime.
Umm. New gear just came out. Everytime there is opportunity to chsnge gearing for the better upgrade matts increase in price temporarily. Every time. See, the cheaper stuff goes first leaving the more higher proced one. I only sell gold matts after a DLC drops for this reason.
Supply and demand baby. Simply and demand.
Calling it collusion is humorous since it's obvious that is not possible to orchestrate.4 -
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✭✭✭TequilaFire wrote: »I tried to leave my reagents at the same price, they sell real fast to the same guys I can find selling on other traders for more.
Yes I guess that is opportunity, but greed in games suck.
There are two ways to sell, as a Retailer hoping to get the most gold, which can take a while, or as a Wholesaler pricing it low to move it fast and get your gold.
Ultimately, I think you can get more GPD (Gold Per Day) being a wholesaler.
Not only is wholesaling generally more profitable for the casual trader, the risk is much lower. Let those super-traders take all the risk buying low and selling high, you walk away with your cash in hand and smile on your face!@wayfarerx - PC / North America / Aldmeri Dominion1 -
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Couldn't be more wrong if you tried.Anyone notice that tempering alloy just went up in price at pretty much all traders at exact same time?
In real life, that's a crime.
This is correct, as well as more realistic.It have nothing to do with guild vendors.
New DLC brings up more players;
More players brings up more demand;
More demand inflates prices.
Guild vendors are great.
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✭✭✭✭✭ZOS could fix this by making these tempers available at NPC vendors just like they did with potency runes.
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✭✭✭✭✭Enemy-of-Coldharbour wrote: »ZOS could fix this by making these tempers available at NPC vendors just like they did with potency runes.
It's not a problem. Nothing to fix. Nothing is wrong.3 -
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✭xilfxlegion wrote: »
The Harkonen guild traders will fight tooth and nail against a proper auction house:
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DeVoDeVo✭✭xilfxlegion wrote: »
and again, they cannot control the market because they do not control every guild. and again,
Ah, but they wouldn't need to control every guild, just the main trading areas. Very few actually search the remote traders for items. It's too much of a time waster.
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Shadeaux✭✭✭jedtb16_ESO wrote: »jedtb16_ESO wrote: »here we go again...
I suppose we could take the Ostrich approach and just pretend it isn't happening.
or we could take the empiric approach - which is what i just did, hopped on one of my toons and did a tour of the major hubs and some of the out of the way traders checking on the prices for dreugh wax and tempering alloy.
this is what i found -
dreugh wax price range 6300 to 15000
tempering alloy price range 8750 to 16300
collusion on prices?
only in the ops imagination.
Please tell me where you found TA for 8750.
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xilfxlegion✭✭✭✭✭xilfxlegion wrote: »
and again, they cannot control the market because they do not control every guild. and again,
Ah, but they wouldn't need to control every guild, just the main trading areas. Very few actually search the remote traders for items. It's too much of a time waster.
a time waster ? what you call a time waster i call a dead solid money maker.
if they cannot control the entire market, by definition they cannot have a monopoly. its not different than 7-11 charging more for stuff than a supermarket --- you pay for the convenience of not having to go to the supermarket.
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Shadeaux✭✭✭Shadeaux wrote: »
Anyone notice that tempering alloy just went up in price at pretty much all traders at exact same time?
In real life, that's a crime.
Couldn't be more wrong if you tried.
Um:
In the United States, price fixing can be prosecuted as a criminal federal offense.
I suppose you could argue you live somewhere that has no such protection, but I would bet not.0 -
xilfxlegion✭✭✭✭✭Shadeaux wrote: »
Anyone notice that tempering alloy just went up in price at pretty much all traders at exact same time?
In real life, that's a crime.
Couldn't be more wrong if you tried.
Um:
In the United States, price fixing can be prosecuted as a criminal federal offense.
I suppose you could argue you live somewhere that has no such protection, but I would bet not.
yes, but in order to price fix, you have to control the entire market.
ps --- in real life it is illegal to kill people with swords. yet youre not complaining about that.
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✭✭✭✭✭Shadeaux wrote: »
Anyone notice that tempering alloy just went up in price at pretty much all traders at exact same time?
In real life, that's a crime.
Couldn't be more wrong if you tried.
Um:
In the United States, price fixing can be prosecuted as a criminal federal offense.
I suppose you could argue you live somewhere that has no such protection, but I would bet not.
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In real life someone would educate you on basic economic principles and also explain the statical impossibility of your false claim.0 -
Shadeaux✭✭✭Sigh, That is what the major guilds are trying to do...control the entire market.
I simply want a better system. You are being destructive instead of constructive.
How about some better ideas from you to address the complaints with this system?3 -
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✭✭✭Sigh, That is what the major guilds are trying to do...control the entire market.
I simply want a better system. You are being destructive instead of constructive.
How about some better ideas from you to address the complaints with this system?
What better system do you want? An auction house would cause this problem to be significantly worse, and the idea of something like a "Tamriel Trade Commission" to break up price fixing cartels is absurd.
What exactly do you want besides cheap mats?@wayfarerx - PC / North America / Aldmeri Dominion3 -
AntMan100673✭✭✭DRXHarbinger wrote: »xilfxlegion wrote: »DRXHarbinger wrote: »Yep its going on XB EU. From 14.5 an alloy now to over 18k most are 20k solid now. Stupid.
yes --- dont buy them. if people dont buy them, the price will come back down.
I'm not. Never will. Esp as half of that will still be left overs from survey glitches. It's all the same people doing it. No one always had that many alloys for sale all at once all the time. But low and behold one person on one guild in Rawlka has 22 alloys up for sale right now alone.
I've got no idea if you're right or wrong for that person but if alloys are selling at the inflated price I'll probably fill all 30 of my slots at my mournehold trader up with them. I've got over 60 so I could keep it stocked for a while and I've never glitched or even gone out of my way to farm for them. When the prices go down I'll buy back however many I sold and pocket the differenceEU - EP - Dunmer - Dragonknight - Magicka DPS - CP160
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Shadeaux✭✭✭Sigh, That is what the major guilds are trying to do...control the entire market.
I simply want a better system. You are being destructive instead of constructive.
How about some better ideas from you to address the complaints with this system?
What better system do you want? An auction house would cause this problem to be significantly worse, and the idea of something like a "Tamriel Trade Commission" to break up price fixing cartels is absurd.
What exactly do you want besides cheap mats?
I already told you...the DAoC system was better. In fact, they may intend to implement their own previous good idea.
For those that may not know, Matt Frior, who runs Zenimax, previously ran Mythic, which produced DAoC.
Simply make it easier to get search results from those far away vendors, is one idea. Zone search, city search, anything.
Heck, I would settle for the ability to save a search, or run last search, so that I don't have to set all the search parameters every time I go to a new vendor.Edited by Shadeaux on August 18, 2016 5:34PM0 -
Fallen_Ray✭✭✭✭✭It have nothing to do with guild vendors.
New DLC brings up more players;
More players brings up more demand;
More demand inflates prices.
Guild vendors are great.
Great at keeping the elite merchant guilds on the top and keeping on the bottom those that can't joint a good merchant guild. It's a flawed system that states: "If you don't win a 5 million gold bid on a popular trader you won't sell a thing" THose who control the popular traders in each region's capital have the gig monopolized.
Which is why I always see the same guilds in the same areas. BUT HEY!!! "It's working as intended" Right ZOS staff?"Dear brother, I do not spread rumors, I create them"- Lucien Lachance3 -
xilfxlegion✭✭✭✭✭Fallen_Ray wrote: »It have nothing to do with guild vendors.
New DLC brings up more players;
More players brings up more demand;
More demand inflates prices.
Guild vendors are great.
Great at keeping the elite merchant guilds on the top and keeping on the bottom those that can't joint a good merchant guild. It's a flawed system that states: "If you don't win a 5 million gold bid on a popular trader you won't sell a thing" THose who control the popular traders in each region's capital have the gig monopolized.
Which is why I always see the same guilds in the same areas. BUT HEY!!! "It's working as intended" Right ZOS staff?
and you cannot join a guild because ?0
