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Make it possible to "disagree" on something.
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UltimaJoe777✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭vyndral13preub18_ESO wrote: »UltimaJoe777 wrote: »vyndral13preub18_ESO wrote: »UltimaJoe777 wrote: »spectre303 wrote: »i just find it funny that people think someone clicking disagree on their post = getting trolled
1 disagree sure, but many would be trolling... Also this:Lucius_Aelius wrote: »Anyone who goes around disagreeing with people and not bothering to explain why is a troll, whether they realize it or not. People with brains say they don't agree and then give specific reasons why, because that's called a discussion and that's what this forum is for.vyndral13preub18_ESO wrote: »UltimaJoe777 wrote: »vyndral13preub18_ESO wrote: »UltimaJoe777 wrote: »vyndral13preub18_ESO wrote: »UltimaJoe777 wrote: »vyndral13preub18_ESO wrote: »UltimaJoe777 wrote: »vyndral13preub18_ESO wrote: »UltimaJoe777 wrote: »vyndral13preub18_ESO wrote: »UltimaJoe777 wrote: »vyndral13preub18_ESO wrote: »UltimaJoe777 wrote: »vyndral13preub18_ESO wrote: »UltimaJoe777 wrote: »vyndral13preub18_ESO wrote: »UltimaJoe777 wrote: »There has already been a thread about this, and the same things being posted here (minus the non-serious posts) were posted there too.
It's too easy to abuse.
Ok since you bolded it, how do you abuse a button that says disagree?
also keep in mind we have the exact same function on the other buttons, so they are just as easy to abuse? Yet they remain?
Take a good look around you. Trolls... Trolls everywhere...UltimaJoe777 wrote: »There has already been a thread about this, and the same things being posted here (minus the non-serious posts) were posted there too.
It's too easy to abuse.
But the other buttons are not capable of being used to abuse ?
If you make a thread solely for the sake of farming forum points, prepare to be moderated. Beyond that no one really abuses the current buttons as they are all generally positive in nature.
You wrote stuff. Mostly the same stuff over. And answered how do you abuse a button that acts just like all the other buttons with... trolls. Good answer... If it made any sense.
And then finish by saying that the others are just as easy to abuse, but it is ok because they make us happy.
So to sum up. Disagree is not an option not because it is easy to abuse. Because they are all easy to abuse. As you say. But disagree is not an option because it makes people sad.
Now you're just trying to twist my words. You know damn well what I mean and know what I say is true, you just don't accept it is all.
See i dont have to twist your words at all.
You said disagree is to easy to abuse so we cant have it.
Myself and the Op pointed out all the buttons are just as easy to abuse. So why is just disagree gone.
To which you responded... Trolls which still doesnt make sense, and the other buttons are positive so no one cares if they are abused.
That last part is the important part. You said disagree cant be a thing because it is to easy to abuse. Then say all the buttons are easy to abuse, but they are positive so no one cares. You disprove your own theory.
The only reason disagree isnt here, is not because it is easy to abuse. They all are. You said it. It isnt here because it upsets people when they get disagreed. It makes them angry or sad or lots of negative things.
I guess my next question would be, you said people dont care about the others being abused because they are positive. Why is me disagreeing with someone seen as negative?
Disagree is a NEGATIVE reaction by nature and easy for trolls to abuse. The forum has trolls, so it WILL get abused. According to a previous post in this thread, it WAS abused when around, and so was LOL which can be taken positively or negatively.
Agree, Insightful, and Awesome are all POSITIVE reactions by nature and not-so-easy to abuse. Anyone that tries gets moderated for it because they are essentially farming forum points. The majority of the forum community barely cares about forum point accumulation, so it is NOT abused, and proof is everywhere. Just because every once in a blue moon someone decides to give every post in a thread a reaction for kicks doesn't mean it's abused.
I cannot make it any clearer than this. If you STILL don't get it then tough cookies.
P.S. My responses here are in regards to the BUTTONS alone, not actual disagreement in posting.
Again you prove my point. They are treated different because of the reaction they get from people. Not because of how easy they are to abuse. Because it is just as easy to troll insightfuls as it is disagrees. People just dont care because it is positive. As a matter of fact the only people who seem to care about it are the mods themselves. The only difference in them is the reaction they invoke in people. So one had to be taken away.
I also disagree with your idea that disagree is a negative reaction by nature. We are taught that way. We are taught that it is important to be right. We arent taught to value people who have a different view point or might have different ideas then our own. So people get upset when someone disagress with them.
Let me ask you this: How many accounts have more Insightfuls than Agrees or Awesomes?
Now let me ask you this: How many accounts would have more Disagrees than Agrees, which people tend to have more of than Awesomes and Insightfuls, just because people would disagree with posts just for the sake of trolling in an attempt to make someone look stupid?
I rest my case.
And the only reason it matters is because that person thinks disagrees make them look stupid, and they get upset.
I rest my case!
Am i doin it right?
If reactions mean so little to you why are you trying to defend implementing the disagree button?
You can go ahead and quote the part where i said reactions dont matter to me. Reactions are part of what make people, people and are very interesting.
What i am saying and it is only a little different then what you are saying. is the disagree went away because it hurt peoples feelings. You are saying it went away because it was easy to abuse. Which to me is actually the reaction. It hurt peoples feelings, so chuckleheads used it to hurt peoples feelings.
If disagrees did not hurt peoples feelings it would still be here.
Hence the abuse.
On a side note I have over twice as many comments as I do Agrees and I don't mind that. Just means people don't agree with me as much, and I do not expect anything more or less because that is their right to exercise as they see fit. Disagrees, however... well, it is as you say.
It is odd to me. And it isnt like it doesnt annoy me sometimes too. But at the same time when you think about it you have to laugh. Some random person ill never met and dont care about disagreed with me and now im annoyed.
More like a dozen or so all clicking disagree just to overall discredit your posts for the hell of it.
But see that doesnt matter either. You say discredit your post, but really think about it.
You really want the opinion of someone who might come into a thread look and say, ohh 20 disagrees, this guy is a dope, let me read something else? No. Those guys are useless.
The people who would still respond and give good feed back still will. It might actually be a favor and keep some of the idiots away.
Except when EVERYONE has 20 disagrees on literally EVERY post they make in EVERY thread...
The trolling is real on these forums. They do not need more bait...
But that didnt actually happen. And ive never actually seen it happen even on forums that have a disagree system.
Doesn't mean it can't, or won't.
Good point better remove all the buttons. Soon all the post from everyone is going to have 20 insightfuls 20 agrees and 20 really? This is dumb.
What's dumb is how people want a button to lazily disagree with a post so they don't have to actually reply, thus being even less constructive than they already can be. Seriously, stop trying to pawn it off on the existing reactions that are actually working fine as is.
It is working fine. I dont disagree. But I could also argue that people need to stop trying to paint others as lazy or dumb just because they get upset or hurt when people disagree with them.
Nowadays if someone says "I disagree" and leaves it at that, the fact they disagree in general is not the issue. It's the simple fact they say "I disagree" without stating a reason that is trollsome and non-constructive.Guildmaster of Power With Numbers in PS4 NA Server's Aldmeri Dominion.
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rootimus✭✭✭✭✭UltimaJoe777 wrote: »Nowadays if someone says "I disagree" and leaves it at that, the fact they disagree in general is not the issue. It's the simple fact they say "I disagree" without stating a reason that is trollsome and non-constructive.
Then surely you support removing the existing options, too. After all, nowadays if someone says "I agree" and leaves it at that, the fact they agree in general is not the issue. It's the simple fact they say "I agree" without stating a reason that is trollsome and non-constructive.Even on the internet, clear communication is important; it can be the difference between "helping your Uncle Jack off a horse" and "helping your uncle jack off a horse"; the difference between "knowing your s***" and "knowing you're s***".
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vyndral13preub18_ESO✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭UltimaJoe777 wrote: »vyndral13preub18_ESO wrote: »UltimaJoe777 wrote: »vyndral13preub18_ESO wrote: »UltimaJoe777 wrote: »spectre303 wrote: »i just find it funny that people think someone clicking disagree on their post = getting trolled
1 disagree sure, but many would be trolling... Also this:Lucius_Aelius wrote: »Anyone who goes around disagreeing with people and not bothering to explain why is a troll, whether they realize it or not. People with brains say they don't agree and then give specific reasons why, because that's called a discussion and that's what this forum is for.vyndral13preub18_ESO wrote: »UltimaJoe777 wrote: »vyndral13preub18_ESO wrote: »UltimaJoe777 wrote: »vyndral13preub18_ESO wrote: »UltimaJoe777 wrote: »vyndral13preub18_ESO wrote: »UltimaJoe777 wrote: »vyndral13preub18_ESO wrote: »UltimaJoe777 wrote: »vyndral13preub18_ESO wrote: »UltimaJoe777 wrote: »vyndral13preub18_ESO wrote: »UltimaJoe777 wrote: »vyndral13preub18_ESO wrote: »UltimaJoe777 wrote: »vyndral13preub18_ESO wrote: »UltimaJoe777 wrote: »There has already been a thread about this, and the same things being posted here (minus the non-serious posts) were posted there too.
It's too easy to abuse.
Ok since you bolded it, how do you abuse a button that says disagree?
also keep in mind we have the exact same function on the other buttons, so they are just as easy to abuse? Yet they remain?
Take a good look around you. Trolls... Trolls everywhere...UltimaJoe777 wrote: »There has already been a thread about this, and the same things being posted here (minus the non-serious posts) were posted there too.
It's too easy to abuse.
But the other buttons are not capable of being used to abuse ?
If you make a thread solely for the sake of farming forum points, prepare to be moderated. Beyond that no one really abuses the current buttons as they are all generally positive in nature.
You wrote stuff. Mostly the same stuff over. And answered how do you abuse a button that acts just like all the other buttons with... trolls. Good answer... If it made any sense.
And then finish by saying that the others are just as easy to abuse, but it is ok because they make us happy.
So to sum up. Disagree is not an option not because it is easy to abuse. Because they are all easy to abuse. As you say. But disagree is not an option because it makes people sad.
Now you're just trying to twist my words. You know damn well what I mean and know what I say is true, you just don't accept it is all.
See i dont have to twist your words at all.
You said disagree is to easy to abuse so we cant have it.
Myself and the Op pointed out all the buttons are just as easy to abuse. So why is just disagree gone.
To which you responded... Trolls which still doesnt make sense, and the other buttons are positive so no one cares if they are abused.
That last part is the important part. You said disagree cant be a thing because it is to easy to abuse. Then say all the buttons are easy to abuse, but they are positive so no one cares. You disprove your own theory.
The only reason disagree isnt here, is not because it is easy to abuse. They all are. You said it. It isnt here because it upsets people when they get disagreed. It makes them angry or sad or lots of negative things.
I guess my next question would be, you said people dont care about the others being abused because they are positive. Why is me disagreeing with someone seen as negative?
Disagree is a NEGATIVE reaction by nature and easy for trolls to abuse. The forum has trolls, so it WILL get abused. According to a previous post in this thread, it WAS abused when around, and so was LOL which can be taken positively or negatively.
Agree, Insightful, and Awesome are all POSITIVE reactions by nature and not-so-easy to abuse. Anyone that tries gets moderated for it because they are essentially farming forum points. The majority of the forum community barely cares about forum point accumulation, so it is NOT abused, and proof is everywhere. Just because every once in a blue moon someone decides to give every post in a thread a reaction for kicks doesn't mean it's abused.
I cannot make it any clearer than this. If you STILL don't get it then tough cookies.
P.S. My responses here are in regards to the BUTTONS alone, not actual disagreement in posting.
Again you prove my point. They are treated different because of the reaction they get from people. Not because of how easy they are to abuse. Because it is just as easy to troll insightfuls as it is disagrees. People just dont care because it is positive. As a matter of fact the only people who seem to care about it are the mods themselves. The only difference in them is the reaction they invoke in people. So one had to be taken away.
I also disagree with your idea that disagree is a negative reaction by nature. We are taught that way. We are taught that it is important to be right. We arent taught to value people who have a different view point or might have different ideas then our own. So people get upset when someone disagress with them.
Let me ask you this: How many accounts have more Insightfuls than Agrees or Awesomes?
Now let me ask you this: How many accounts would have more Disagrees than Agrees, which people tend to have more of than Awesomes and Insightfuls, just because people would disagree with posts just for the sake of trolling in an attempt to make someone look stupid?
I rest my case.
And the only reason it matters is because that person thinks disagrees make them look stupid, and they get upset.
I rest my case!
Am i doin it right?
If reactions mean so little to you why are you trying to defend implementing the disagree button?
You can go ahead and quote the part where i said reactions dont matter to me. Reactions are part of what make people, people and are very interesting.
What i am saying and it is only a little different then what you are saying. is the disagree went away because it hurt peoples feelings. You are saying it went away because it was easy to abuse. Which to me is actually the reaction. It hurt peoples feelings, so chuckleheads used it to hurt peoples feelings.
If disagrees did not hurt peoples feelings it would still be here.
Hence the abuse.
On a side note I have over twice as many comments as I do Agrees and I don't mind that. Just means people don't agree with me as much, and I do not expect anything more or less because that is their right to exercise as they see fit. Disagrees, however... well, it is as you say.
It is odd to me. And it isnt like it doesnt annoy me sometimes too. But at the same time when you think about it you have to laugh. Some random person ill never met and dont care about disagreed with me and now im annoyed.
More like a dozen or so all clicking disagree just to overall discredit your posts for the hell of it.
But see that doesnt matter either. You say discredit your post, but really think about it.
You really want the opinion of someone who might come into a thread look and say, ohh 20 disagrees, this guy is a dope, let me read something else? No. Those guys are useless.
The people who would still respond and give good feed back still will. It might actually be a favor and keep some of the idiots away.
Except when EVERYONE has 20 disagrees on literally EVERY post they make in EVERY thread...
The trolling is real on these forums. They do not need more bait...
But that didnt actually happen. And ive never actually seen it happen even on forums that have a disagree system.
Doesn't mean it can't, or won't.
Good point better remove all the buttons. Soon all the post from everyone is going to have 20 insightfuls 20 agrees and 20 really? This is dumb.
What's dumb is how people want a button to lazily disagree with a post so they don't have to actually reply, thus being even less constructive than they already can be. Seriously, stop trying to pawn it off on the existing reactions that are actually working fine as is.
It is working fine. I dont disagree. But I could also argue that people need to stop trying to paint others as lazy or dumb just because they get upset or hurt when people disagree with them.
Nowadays if someone says "I disagree" and leaves it at that, the fact they disagree in general is not the issue. It's the simple fact they say "I disagree" without stating a reason that is trollsome and non-constructive.
I think we are going to have to agree to disagree. Because obviously Im right you are wrong. But i dont have a disagree button to show it!
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✭✭TheAngelofDeath99 wrote: »Looking at the comments, it'll happen.
Then I guess I'll just have to start a thread called "Make it impossible to disagree"
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rootimus✭✭✭✭✭TheAngelofDeath99 wrote: »Looking at the comments, it'll happen.
Yeah, no. Zenimax don't listen to reason at the best of times (exhibit A: the ridiculous changes to rune harvesting). In this case, they're far too intent on wrapping people up in cotton wool instead of telling a handful of immature people to HTFU.Even on the internet, clear communication is important; it can be the difference between "helping your Uncle Jack off a horse" and "helping your uncle jack off a horse"; the difference between "knowing your s***" and "knowing you're s***".
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✭I am not for adding any more reaction buttons until I get this back...
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Cazic✭✭✭✭✭I agree, but it won't happen for the same reason the "LOL" option was removed.
People abuse it.0 -
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✭✭Come around children and listen to my story... You don't need a button in order to disagree with someone. All you gotta do is type letters in that big white area and then press the big blue button! Beware the battle cattle, but don't *fear* the battle cattle!0 -
spectre303✭✭✭Lucius_Aelius wrote: »spectre303 wrote: »i just find it funny that people think someone clicking disagree on their post = getting trolled
Anyone who goes around disagreeing with people and not bothering to explain why is a troll, whether they realize it or not. People with brains say they don't agree and then give specific reasons why, because that's called a discussion and that's what this forum is for.
That was some really helpful analysis. thank you for such a great discussion... I'm so glad you inferred i was brainless rather than just trolling me with a "disagree" click. I guess those of us without brains that don't agree with all your views all the time are just going to have to ignore you or constantly fill thread pages explaining why your viewpoints and ours are not always exactly the same.
I'm sorry but 90% of the posts in any thread are basically people talking to hear themselves talk and feel important. Id greatly prefer a forum where when people say something incorrect or not worth discussing we could just click a button and move on rather than trying to explain to people why their stupid is so stupid. if i disagree with an important point and feel it needs explanation, ill explain it. That doesn't mean that a button wouldn't also be useful/helpful for some posts.
If people feel trolled by someone clicking disagree then i don't know how they function in the world. Do they feel trolled when someone quotes and disagrees as well?Ebonheart Pact ♦ NA ♦ CP 2230
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vyndral13preub18_ESO✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭spectre303 wrote: »Lucius_Aelius wrote: »spectre303 wrote: »i just find it funny that people think someone clicking disagree on their post = getting trolled
Anyone who goes around disagreeing with people and not bothering to explain why is a troll, whether they realize it or not. People with brains say they don't agree and then give specific reasons why, because that's called a discussion and that's what this forum is for.
That was some really helpful analysis. thank you for such a great discussion... I'm so glad you inferred i was brainless rather than just trolling me with a "disagree" click. I guess those of us without brains that don't agree with all your views all the time are just going to have to ignore you or constantly fill thread pages explaining why your viewpoints and ours are not always exactly the same.
I'm sorry but 90% of the posts in any thread are basically people talking to hear themselves talk and feel important. Id greatly prefer a forum where when people say something incorrect or not worth discussing we could just click a button and move on rather than trying to explain to people why their stupid is so stupid. if i disagree with an important point and feel it needs explanation, ill explain it. That doesn't mean that a button wouldn't also be useful/helpful for some posts.
If people feel trolled by someone clicking disagree then i don't know how they function in the world. Do they feel trolled when someone quotes and disagrees as well?
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Amdar_Godkiller✭✭✭✭✭Disagree/Dislike buttons, while they sound good in theory, always devolve into the creation of a
close-minded, self-destructive hive mind that destroys any possibility of unique, original or rebellious ideas ever seeing the light of day. The dislike button is fascism masquerading as freedom and democracy.
They are also totally unnecessary since everyday on message boards around the word people are freely, passionately, and
often moronically exercising their right to disagree anyway. That is good for freedom and the flow of ideas. A dislike button
or a downvote lead to literally the exact opposite outcome. Populism driven by fear, arrogance in one's own worldview,
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UltimaJoe777✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭UltimaJoe777 wrote: »Nowadays if someone says "I disagree" and leaves it at that, the fact they disagree in general is not the issue. It's the simple fact they say "I disagree" without stating a reason that is trollsome and non-constructive.
Then surely you support removing the existing options, too. After all, nowadays if someone says "I agree" and leaves it at that, the fact they agree in general is not the issue. It's the simple fact they say "I agree" without stating a reason that is trollsome and non-constructive.
Wrong. Saying you agree means you support what they say and therefore do not need to state a reason why, unless you wish only to partially agree. Saying you DISagree though means you should point out why and voice your opinion on the matter in order to be constructive.Guildmaster of Power With Numbers in PS4 NA Server's Aldmeri Dominion.
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UltimaJoe777✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭vyndral13preub18_ESO wrote: »UltimaJoe777 wrote: »vyndral13preub18_ESO wrote: »UltimaJoe777 wrote: »vyndral13preub18_ESO wrote: »UltimaJoe777 wrote: »spectre303 wrote: »i just find it funny that people think someone clicking disagree on their post = getting trolled
1 disagree sure, but many would be trolling... Also this:Lucius_Aelius wrote: »Anyone who goes around disagreeing with people and not bothering to explain why is a troll, whether they realize it or not. People with brains say they don't agree and then give specific reasons why, because that's called a discussion and that's what this forum is for.vyndral13preub18_ESO wrote: »UltimaJoe777 wrote: »vyndral13preub18_ESO wrote: »UltimaJoe777 wrote: »vyndral13preub18_ESO wrote: »UltimaJoe777 wrote: »vyndral13preub18_ESO wrote: »UltimaJoe777 wrote: »vyndral13preub18_ESO wrote: »UltimaJoe777 wrote: »vyndral13preub18_ESO wrote: »UltimaJoe777 wrote: »vyndral13preub18_ESO wrote: »UltimaJoe777 wrote: »vyndral13preub18_ESO wrote: »UltimaJoe777 wrote: »vyndral13preub18_ESO wrote: »UltimaJoe777 wrote: »There has already been a thread about this, and the same things being posted here (minus the non-serious posts) were posted there too.
It's too easy to abuse.
Ok since you bolded it, how do you abuse a button that says disagree?
also keep in mind we have the exact same function on the other buttons, so they are just as easy to abuse? Yet they remain?
Take a good look around you. Trolls... Trolls everywhere...UltimaJoe777 wrote: »There has already been a thread about this, and the same things being posted here (minus the non-serious posts) were posted there too.
It's too easy to abuse.
But the other buttons are not capable of being used to abuse ?
If you make a thread solely for the sake of farming forum points, prepare to be moderated. Beyond that no one really abuses the current buttons as they are all generally positive in nature.
You wrote stuff. Mostly the same stuff over. And answered how do you abuse a button that acts just like all the other buttons with... trolls. Good answer... If it made any sense.
And then finish by saying that the others are just as easy to abuse, but it is ok because they make us happy.
So to sum up. Disagree is not an option not because it is easy to abuse. Because they are all easy to abuse. As you say. But disagree is not an option because it makes people sad.
Now you're just trying to twist my words. You know damn well what I mean and know what I say is true, you just don't accept it is all.
See i dont have to twist your words at all.
You said disagree is to easy to abuse so we cant have it.
Myself and the Op pointed out all the buttons are just as easy to abuse. So why is just disagree gone.
To which you responded... Trolls which still doesnt make sense, and the other buttons are positive so no one cares if they are abused.
That last part is the important part. You said disagree cant be a thing because it is to easy to abuse. Then say all the buttons are easy to abuse, but they are positive so no one cares. You disprove your own theory.
The only reason disagree isnt here, is not because it is easy to abuse. They all are. You said it. It isnt here because it upsets people when they get disagreed. It makes them angry or sad or lots of negative things.
I guess my next question would be, you said people dont care about the others being abused because they are positive. Why is me disagreeing with someone seen as negative?
Disagree is a NEGATIVE reaction by nature and easy for trolls to abuse. The forum has trolls, so it WILL get abused. According to a previous post in this thread, it WAS abused when around, and so was LOL which can be taken positively or negatively.
Agree, Insightful, and Awesome are all POSITIVE reactions by nature and not-so-easy to abuse. Anyone that tries gets moderated for it because they are essentially farming forum points. The majority of the forum community barely cares about forum point accumulation, so it is NOT abused, and proof is everywhere. Just because every once in a blue moon someone decides to give every post in a thread a reaction for kicks doesn't mean it's abused.
I cannot make it any clearer than this. If you STILL don't get it then tough cookies.
P.S. My responses here are in regards to the BUTTONS alone, not actual disagreement in posting.
Again you prove my point. They are treated different because of the reaction they get from people. Not because of how easy they are to abuse. Because it is just as easy to troll insightfuls as it is disagrees. People just dont care because it is positive. As a matter of fact the only people who seem to care about it are the mods themselves. The only difference in them is the reaction they invoke in people. So one had to be taken away.
I also disagree with your idea that disagree is a negative reaction by nature. We are taught that way. We are taught that it is important to be right. We arent taught to value people who have a different view point or might have different ideas then our own. So people get upset when someone disagress with them.
Let me ask you this: How many accounts have more Insightfuls than Agrees or Awesomes?
Now let me ask you this: How many accounts would have more Disagrees than Agrees, which people tend to have more of than Awesomes and Insightfuls, just because people would disagree with posts just for the sake of trolling in an attempt to make someone look stupid?
I rest my case.
And the only reason it matters is because that person thinks disagrees make them look stupid, and they get upset.
I rest my case!
Am i doin it right?
If reactions mean so little to you why are you trying to defend implementing the disagree button?
You can go ahead and quote the part where i said reactions dont matter to me. Reactions are part of what make people, people and are very interesting.
What i am saying and it is only a little different then what you are saying. is the disagree went away because it hurt peoples feelings. You are saying it went away because it was easy to abuse. Which to me is actually the reaction. It hurt peoples feelings, so chuckleheads used it to hurt peoples feelings.
If disagrees did not hurt peoples feelings it would still be here.
Hence the abuse.
On a side note I have over twice as many comments as I do Agrees and I don't mind that. Just means people don't agree with me as much, and I do not expect anything more or less because that is their right to exercise as they see fit. Disagrees, however... well, it is as you say.
It is odd to me. And it isnt like it doesnt annoy me sometimes too. But at the same time when you think about it you have to laugh. Some random person ill never met and dont care about disagreed with me and now im annoyed.
More like a dozen or so all clicking disagree just to overall discredit your posts for the hell of it.
But see that doesnt matter either. You say discredit your post, but really think about it.
You really want the opinion of someone who might come into a thread look and say, ohh 20 disagrees, this guy is a dope, let me read something else? No. Those guys are useless.
The people who would still respond and give good feed back still will. It might actually be a favor and keep some of the idiots away.
Except when EVERYONE has 20 disagrees on literally EVERY post they make in EVERY thread...
The trolling is real on these forums. They do not need more bait...
But that didnt actually happen. And ive never actually seen it happen even on forums that have a disagree system.
Doesn't mean it can't, or won't.
Good point better remove all the buttons. Soon all the post from everyone is going to have 20 insightfuls 20 agrees and 20 really? This is dumb.
What's dumb is how people want a button to lazily disagree with a post so they don't have to actually reply, thus being even less constructive than they already can be. Seriously, stop trying to pawn it off on the existing reactions that are actually working fine as is.
It is working fine. I dont disagree. But I could also argue that people need to stop trying to paint others as lazy or dumb just because they get upset or hurt when people disagree with them.
Nowadays if someone says "I disagree" and leaves it at that, the fact they disagree in general is not the issue. It's the simple fact they say "I disagree" without stating a reason that is trollsome and non-constructive.
I think we are going to have to agree to disagree. Because obviously Im right you are wrong. But i dont have a disagree button to show it!
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✭✭✭✭I wish they removed the damn things all together. Hardly anyone uses them for what they were intended. Dont like what someones saying but youre too much of a passive aggressive coward to confront them with your own opinion? Just give them an Awesome or an Insightful.Penniless Sellsword CompanyCaptain Paramount - Jorrhaq VhentKorith Eaglecry * Enrerion Aedihle * Laerinel Rhaev * Caius Berilius * Seylina Ithvala * H'Vak the GrimjawlTenarei Rhaev * Dazsh Ro Khar * Yynril Rothvani * Bathes-In-Coin * Anaelle Faerniil * Azjani Ma'LesAban Shahid Bakr * Kheshna gra-Gharbuk * Gallisten Bondurant * Etain Maquier * Atsu Kalame * Faulpia SeverinusWhat is better, to be born good, or to overcome your evil nature through great effort? - Paarthurnax0 -
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✭✭I think people are getting a little too serious about this. It's just a button... Tone it down a bit, get some cat gifs in here too while you're at it.Edited by Stovahkiin on August 15, 2016 10:27PMBeware the battle cattle, but don't *fear* the battle cattle!0 -
spectre303✭✭✭vyndral13preub18_ESO wrote: »spectre303 wrote: »Lucius_Aelius wrote: »spectre303 wrote: »i just find it funny that people think someone clicking disagree on their post = getting trolled
Anyone who goes around disagreeing with people and not bothering to explain why is a troll, whether they realize it or not. People with brains say they don't agree and then give specific reasons why, because that's called a discussion and that's what this forum is for.
That was some really helpful analysis. thank you for such a great discussion... I'm so glad you inferred i was brainless rather than just trolling me with a "disagree" click. I guess those of us without brains that don't agree with all your views all the time are just going to have to ignore you or constantly fill thread pages explaining why your viewpoints and ours are not always exactly the same.
I'm sorry but 90% of the posts in any thread are basically people talking to hear themselves talk and feel important. Id greatly prefer a forum where when people say something incorrect or not worth discussing we could just click a button and move on rather than trying to explain to people why their stupid is so stupid. if i disagree with an important point and feel it needs explanation, ill explain it. That doesn't mean that a button wouldn't also be useful/helpful for some posts.
If people feel trolled by someone clicking disagree then i don't know how they function in the world. Do they feel trolled when someone quotes and disagrees as well?
It is not that i like to hear myself talk, it is just I have a really nice voice.
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✭Stovahkiin wrote: »I think people are getting a little too serious about this. It's just a button... Tone it down a bit, get some cat gifs in here too while you're at it.
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✭✭clayandaudrey_ESO wrote: »Stovahkiin wrote: »I think people are getting a little too serious about this. It's just a button... Tone it down a bit, get some cat gifs in here too while you're at it.
See? This person knows what's up.
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Lucius_Aelius✭✭✭✭spectre303 wrote: »Lucius_Aelius wrote: »spectre303 wrote: »i just find it funny that people think someone clicking disagree on their post = getting trolled
Anyone who goes around disagreeing with people and not bothering to explain why is a troll, whether they realize it or not. People with brains say they don't agree and then give specific reasons why, because that's called a discussion and that's what this forum is for.
That was some really helpful analysis. thank you for such a great discussion... I'm so glad you inferred i was brainless rather than just trolling me with a "disagree" click. I guess those of us without brains that don't agree with all your views all the time are just going to have to ignore you or constantly fill thread pages explaining why your viewpoints and ours are not always exactly the same.
I'm sorry but 90% of the posts in any thread are basically people talking to hear themselves talk and feel important. Id greatly prefer a forum where when people say something incorrect or not worth discussing we could just click a button and move on rather than trying to explain to people why their stupid is so stupid. if i disagree with an important point and feel it needs explanation, ill explain it. That doesn't mean that a button wouldn't also be useful/helpful for some posts.
If people feel trolled by someone clicking disagree then i don't know how they function in the world. Do they feel trolled when someone quotes and disagrees as well?
...wut even? I make a narrow response to a specific comment about only trolls disagreeing with people and not explaining why, and you take issue with it how? Seriously how do you possibly blow it out of proportion that badly? You made a snide remark and I pointed out why it was foolish to be amused as you were given that anyone who disagrees without explanation is in fact a troll, that was in no way an assault on you or suggesting that you in particular were brainless, but rather it was me stating that trolls have less than half a brain and are incapable of having an intelligent discussion.
The only way that could position apply to you is if you're saying that you're a troll, which I'm guessing is not what you're trying to say. Also you explained yourself and actually tried to argue a point (albeit about something I didn't actually say or mean to imply), so you contradict the notion that I could have meant you just on those grounds alone. I stand by my point, only trolls can't be bothered to form an argument to defend their position, and as such only trolls stand to gain by having such an easy method of putting down what someone else says without needing to stand by what you say or argue a point.
Also I for the record only post in threads I think offer me the opportunity to contribute something, so if I were just out to hear myself talk I'd do it a lot more. I post in maybe half of the threads I read and read a fraction of the threads in total, all I care about is having a meaningful discussion about a a hobby I'm quite fond of. If you think people automatically are just full of themselves or idiots or whathaveyou just because you don't agree with what they say then that's your problem, not mine. Resorting to such attacks in no way furthers the discussion when I've made extensive arguments supporting my position, and all you've done is get pissed off at me and flame me for something I didn't even direct towards you, and all without responding to any of my points.Edited by Lucius_Aelius on August 15, 2016 10:51PMDaggerfall Covenant - Scourge (Xbox NA) - GT: Lucius Aelius - Lord - 648CP
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✭ZOS give us the following buttons and everything will be set
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- "Slaugher the bourgeoisie;
- "Comrade";
- "TeamMarx";
- "TeamBakhunim";
- "TeamLenin";
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- "TeamZizek";
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✭✭*Sits down with hand on forehead* Guys... What did I just talk about? More cat gifs, less hate, if you can't handle that then I suggest you go necro an old console vs PC hate thread or somethingEdited by Stovahkiin on August 15, 2016 11:07PMBeware the battle cattle, but don't *fear* the battle cattle!0 -
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✭✭What about my sleepy kitten gif at the top of page 3?
He not cutes?
Eh? I must have missed it, give me a moment, I must see this for myself.
*Edit* oh yes I remember seeing that. You see people? We need more of that in this thread, I'm still smelling some hate fumes here and there. (Pictures of food are acceptable too)Edited by Stovahkiin on August 15, 2016 11:13PMBeware the battle cattle, but don't *fear* the battle cattle!0 -
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✭Now we can only choose "insightfull","agree" or "awesome",
since this is a forum i think it would be convenient and constructive to add an "disagree" option to posts and comments.
would cetainly help clean up the place. but zos promotes carebearism. if you disagree you might somehow hurt over delicate feelings.
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Here's a piglet!
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✭✭Because the seriousness levels got too high for my liking, especially for a topic such as thisEdited by Stovahkiin on August 15, 2016 11:34PMBeware the battle cattle, but don't *fear* the battle cattle!0 -
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✭✭✭✭I leave for a few hours and we go all animal farm in here! That is it! Disagrees For you all!!!
Oh right. Well crap.0
