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Make it possible to "disagree" on something.
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Cazzy✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Can we have a baby Khajiit button? So everytime I press it a kitten gif appears?
It would be great for reducing blood pressure
Edited by Cazzy on August 15, 2016 6:10PM2 -
Phinix1✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Disagree = Quote relevant part of post and comment WHY you disagree.
Too much trolling constructive posts with "disagree" spam with nothing else to contribute to the discussion is why ZOS removed it in the first place.
If you feel strongly about something, spend the effort to articulate the reason in a civil and constructive fashion.
No "disagree" cruise control for you!
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Stovahkiin✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Disagree = Quote relevant part of post and comment WHY you disagree.
Too much trolling constructive posts with "disagree" spam with nothing else to contribute to the discussion is why ZOS removed it in the first place.
If you feel strongly about something, spend the effort to articulate the reason in a civil and constructive fashion.
No "disagree" cruise control for you!
Pretty much what I came to say, but ya beat me to it,Beware the battle cattle, but don't *fear* the battle cattle!0 -
Cathexis✭✭✭✭✭
✭Imagine: someone posts something they think is going to have a lot of people in agreeance with, only to have people disagree with it instead.
Their feelings would get hurt.
It's 2016, and as such, we can't have people going around thinking they aren't the smartest person in the room and that their opinion doesn't matter.
Could you imagine a world where people could be told their stupid from time to time? I couldn't fathom it.
Even worse, could you imagine a world where ideas are just ideas and they arent subject to judgemental comments or group berating? Treating people like human beings, yuck, who wants that, Im with you man we need to be as depricating as possible to as many people as we can, so much that we have an easily accessible system for it. Screw using reasoning or rational discussion, all that matters is random opinion! Especially mine. Mines always right.
Oh and first person to hit agree gets 10,000 gold. Dont forget, you can always buy support if your opinion isnt the popular one.
/BARFEdited by Cathexis on August 15, 2016 6:33PMTome of Alteration Magic I - Reality is an Ancient Dwemer Construct: Everything You Need to Know About FPS
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Tome of Alteration Magic II - The Manual of the Deceiver: A Beginner's Guide to Thieving
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vyndral13preub18_ESO✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭UltimaJoe777 wrote: »vyndral13preub18_ESO wrote: »UltimaJoe777 wrote: »vyndral13preub18_ESO wrote: »UltimaJoe777 wrote: »vyndral13preub18_ESO wrote: »UltimaJoe777 wrote: »There has already been a thread about this, and the same things being posted here (minus the non-serious posts) were posted there too.
It's too easy to abuse.
Ok since you bolded it, how do you abuse a button that says disagree?
also keep in mind we have the exact same function on the other buttons, so they are just as easy to abuse? Yet they remain?
Take a good look around you. Trolls... Trolls everywhere...UltimaJoe777 wrote: »There has already been a thread about this, and the same things being posted here (minus the non-serious posts) were posted there too.
It's too easy to abuse.
But the other buttons are not capable of being used to abuse ?
If you make a thread solely for the sake of farming forum points, prepare to be moderated. Beyond that no one really abuses the current buttons as they are all generally positive in nature.
You wrote stuff. Mostly the same stuff over. And answered how do you abuse a button that acts just like all the other buttons with... trolls. Good answer... If it made any sense.
And then finish by saying that the others are just as easy to abuse, but it is ok because they make us happy.
So to sum up. Disagree is not an option not because it is easy to abuse. Because they are all easy to abuse. As you say. But disagree is not an option because it makes people sad.
Now you're just trying to twist my words. You know damn well what I mean and know what I say is true, you just don't accept it is all.
See i dont have to twist your words at all.
You said disagree is to easy to abuse so we cant have it.
Myself and the Op pointed out all the buttons are just as easy to abuse. So why is just disagree gone.
To which you responded... Trolls which still doesnt make sense, and the other buttons are positive so no one cares if they are abused.
That last part is the important part. You said disagree cant be a thing because it is to easy to abuse. Then say all the buttons are easy to abuse, but they are positive so no one cares. You disprove your own theory.
The only reason disagree isnt here, is not because it is easy to abuse. They all are. You said it. It isnt here because it upsets people when they get disagreed. It makes them angry or sad or lots of negative things.
I guess my next question would be, you said people dont care about the others being abused because they are positive. Why is me disagreeing with someone seen as negative?
Disagree is a NEGATIVE reaction by nature and easy for trolls to abuse. The forum has trolls, so it WILL get abused. According to a previous post in this thread, it WAS abused when around, and so was LOL which can be taken positively or negatively.
Agree, Insightful, and Awesome are all POSITIVE reactions by nature and not-so-easy to abuse. Anyone that tries gets moderated for it because they are essentially farming forum points. The majority of the forum community barely cares about forum point accumulation, so it is NOT abused, and proof is everywhere. Just because every once in a blue moon someone decides to give every post in a thread a reaction for kicks doesn't mean it's abused.
I cannot make it any clearer than this. If you STILL don't get it then tough cookies.
P.S. My responses here are in regards to the BUTTONS alone, not actual disagreement in posting.
Again you prove my point. They are treated different because of the reaction they get from people. Not because of how easy they are to abuse. Because it is just as easy to troll insightfuls as it is disagrees. People just dont care because it is positive. As a matter of fact the only people who seem to care about it are the mods themselves. The only difference in them is the reaction they invoke in people. So one had to be taken away.
I also disagree with your idea that disagree is a negative reaction by nature. We are taught that way. We are taught that it is important to be right. We arent taught to value people who have a different view point or might have different ideas then our own. So people get upset when someone disagress with them.1 -
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✭✭Please don't pollute forum with Disagree addition..Edited by Lord_Eomer on August 15, 2016 6:46PM1 -
Cously✭✭✭✭✭
✭And bring the LOL back whilst you at it. Just removed it from Dev posts. I want that badge.0 -
vyndral13preub18_ESO✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭Disagree = Quote relevant part of post and comment WHY you disagree.
Too much trolling constructive posts with "disagree" spam with nothing else to contribute to the discussion is why ZOS removed it in the first place.
If you feel strongly about something, spend the effort to articulate the reason in a civil and constructive fashion.
No "disagree" cruise control for you!
Im curious why this matters? The disagree spam? You say it is trolling if someone disagrees, why?1 -
UltimaJoe777✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭vyndral13preub18_ESO wrote: »UltimaJoe777 wrote: »vyndral13preub18_ESO wrote: »UltimaJoe777 wrote: »vyndral13preub18_ESO wrote: »UltimaJoe777 wrote: »vyndral13preub18_ESO wrote: »UltimaJoe777 wrote: »There has already been a thread about this, and the same things being posted here (minus the non-serious posts) were posted there too.
It's too easy to abuse.
Ok since you bolded it, how do you abuse a button that says disagree?
also keep in mind we have the exact same function on the other buttons, so they are just as easy to abuse? Yet they remain?
Take a good look around you. Trolls... Trolls everywhere...UltimaJoe777 wrote: »There has already been a thread about this, and the same things being posted here (minus the non-serious posts) were posted there too.
It's too easy to abuse.
But the other buttons are not capable of being used to abuse ?
If you make a thread solely for the sake of farming forum points, prepare to be moderated. Beyond that no one really abuses the current buttons as they are all generally positive in nature.
You wrote stuff. Mostly the same stuff over. And answered how do you abuse a button that acts just like all the other buttons with... trolls. Good answer... If it made any sense.
And then finish by saying that the others are just as easy to abuse, but it is ok because they make us happy.
So to sum up. Disagree is not an option not because it is easy to abuse. Because they are all easy to abuse. As you say. But disagree is not an option because it makes people sad.
Now you're just trying to twist my words. You know damn well what I mean and know what I say is true, you just don't accept it is all.
See i dont have to twist your words at all.
You said disagree is to easy to abuse so we cant have it.
Myself and the Op pointed out all the buttons are just as easy to abuse. So why is just disagree gone.
To which you responded... Trolls which still doesnt make sense, and the other buttons are positive so no one cares if they are abused.
That last part is the important part. You said disagree cant be a thing because it is to easy to abuse. Then say all the buttons are easy to abuse, but they are positive so no one cares. You disprove your own theory.
The only reason disagree isnt here, is not because it is easy to abuse. They all are. You said it. It isnt here because it upsets people when they get disagreed. It makes them angry or sad or lots of negative things.
I guess my next question would be, you said people dont care about the others being abused because they are positive. Why is me disagreeing with someone seen as negative?
Disagree is a NEGATIVE reaction by nature and easy for trolls to abuse. The forum has trolls, so it WILL get abused. According to a previous post in this thread, it WAS abused when around, and so was LOL which can be taken positively or negatively.
Agree, Insightful, and Awesome are all POSITIVE reactions by nature and not-so-easy to abuse. Anyone that tries gets moderated for it because they are essentially farming forum points. The majority of the forum community barely cares about forum point accumulation, so it is NOT abused, and proof is everywhere. Just because every once in a blue moon someone decides to give every post in a thread a reaction for kicks doesn't mean it's abused.
I cannot make it any clearer than this. If you STILL don't get it then tough cookies.
P.S. My responses here are in regards to the BUTTONS alone, not actual disagreement in posting.
Again you prove my point. They are treated different because of the reaction they get from people. Not because of how easy they are to abuse. Because it is just as easy to troll insightfuls as it is disagrees. People just dont care because it is positive. As a matter of fact the only people who seem to care about it are the mods themselves. The only difference in them is the reaction they invoke in people. So one had to be taken away.
I also disagree with your idea that disagree is a negative reaction by nature. We are taught that way. We are taught that it is important to be right. We arent taught to value people who have a different view point or might have different ideas then our own. So people get upset when someone disagress with them.
Let me ask you this: How many accounts have more Insightfuls than Agrees or Awesomes?
Now let me ask you this: How many accounts would have more Disagrees than Agrees, which people tend to have more of than Awesomes and Insightfuls, just because people would disagree with posts just for the sake of trolling in an attempt to make someone look stupid?
I rest my case.Edited by UltimaJoe777 on August 15, 2016 7:26PMGuildmaster of Power With Numbers in PS4 NA Server's Aldmeri Dominion.
Proud Founder of the Yaysay cult! DOWN WITH THE NAYSAY CULT!! #ToxicRemedy0 -
vyndral13preub18_ESO✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭UltimaJoe777 wrote: »vyndral13preub18_ESO wrote: »UltimaJoe777 wrote: »vyndral13preub18_ESO wrote: »UltimaJoe777 wrote: »vyndral13preub18_ESO wrote: »UltimaJoe777 wrote: »vyndral13preub18_ESO wrote: »UltimaJoe777 wrote: »There has already been a thread about this, and the same things being posted here (minus the non-serious posts) were posted there too.
It's too easy to abuse.
Ok since you bolded it, how do you abuse a button that says disagree?
also keep in mind we have the exact same function on the other buttons, so they are just as easy to abuse? Yet they remain?
Take a good look around you. Trolls... Trolls everywhere...UltimaJoe777 wrote: »There has already been a thread about this, and the same things being posted here (minus the non-serious posts) were posted there too.
It's too easy to abuse.
But the other buttons are not capable of being used to abuse ?
If you make a thread solely for the sake of farming forum points, prepare to be moderated. Beyond that no one really abuses the current buttons as they are all generally positive in nature.
You wrote stuff. Mostly the same stuff over. And answered how do you abuse a button that acts just like all the other buttons with... trolls. Good answer... If it made any sense.
And then finish by saying that the others are just as easy to abuse, but it is ok because they make us happy.
So to sum up. Disagree is not an option not because it is easy to abuse. Because they are all easy to abuse. As you say. But disagree is not an option because it makes people sad.
Now you're just trying to twist my words. You know damn well what I mean and know what I say is true, you just don't accept it is all.
See i dont have to twist your words at all.
You said disagree is to easy to abuse so we cant have it.
Myself and the Op pointed out all the buttons are just as easy to abuse. So why is just disagree gone.
To which you responded... Trolls which still doesnt make sense, and the other buttons are positive so no one cares if they are abused.
That last part is the important part. You said disagree cant be a thing because it is to easy to abuse. Then say all the buttons are easy to abuse, but they are positive so no one cares. You disprove your own theory.
The only reason disagree isnt here, is not because it is easy to abuse. They all are. You said it. It isnt here because it upsets people when they get disagreed. It makes them angry or sad or lots of negative things.
I guess my next question would be, you said people dont care about the others being abused because they are positive. Why is me disagreeing with someone seen as negative?
Disagree is a NEGATIVE reaction by nature and easy for trolls to abuse. The forum has trolls, so it WILL get abused. According to a previous post in this thread, it WAS abused when around, and so was LOL which can be taken positively or negatively.
Agree, Insightful, and Awesome are all POSITIVE reactions by nature and not-so-easy to abuse. Anyone that tries gets moderated for it because they are essentially farming forum points. The majority of the forum community barely cares about forum point accumulation, so it is NOT abused, and proof is everywhere. Just because every once in a blue moon someone decides to give every post in a thread a reaction for kicks doesn't mean it's abused.
I cannot make it any clearer than this. If you STILL don't get it then tough cookies.
P.S. My responses here are in regards to the BUTTONS alone, not actual disagreement in posting.
Again you prove my point. They are treated different because of the reaction they get from people. Not because of how easy they are to abuse. Because it is just as easy to troll insightfuls as it is disagrees. People just dont care because it is positive. As a matter of fact the only people who seem to care about it are the mods themselves. The only difference in them is the reaction they invoke in people. So one had to be taken away.
I also disagree with your idea that disagree is a negative reaction by nature. We are taught that way. We are taught that it is important to be right. We arent taught to value people who have a different view point or might have different ideas then our own. So people get upset when someone disagress with them.
Let me ask you this: How many accounts have more Insightfuls than Agrees or Awesomes?
Now let me ask you this: How many accounts would have more Disagrees than Agrees, which people tend to have more of than Awesomes and Insightfuls, just because people would disagree with posts just for the sake of trolling in an attempt to make someone look stupid?
I rest my case.
And the only reason it matters is because that person thinks disagrees make them look stupid, and they get upset.
I rest my case!
Am i doin it right?1 -
UltimaJoe777✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭vyndral13preub18_ESO wrote: »UltimaJoe777 wrote: »vyndral13preub18_ESO wrote: »UltimaJoe777 wrote: »vyndral13preub18_ESO wrote: »UltimaJoe777 wrote: »vyndral13preub18_ESO wrote: »UltimaJoe777 wrote: »vyndral13preub18_ESO wrote: »UltimaJoe777 wrote: »There has already been a thread about this, and the same things being posted here (minus the non-serious posts) were posted there too.
It's too easy to abuse.
Ok since you bolded it, how do you abuse a button that says disagree?
also keep in mind we have the exact same function on the other buttons, so they are just as easy to abuse? Yet they remain?
Take a good look around you. Trolls... Trolls everywhere...UltimaJoe777 wrote: »There has already been a thread about this, and the same things being posted here (minus the non-serious posts) were posted there too.
It's too easy to abuse.
But the other buttons are not capable of being used to abuse ?
If you make a thread solely for the sake of farming forum points, prepare to be moderated. Beyond that no one really abuses the current buttons as they are all generally positive in nature.
You wrote stuff. Mostly the same stuff over. And answered how do you abuse a button that acts just like all the other buttons with... trolls. Good answer... If it made any sense.
And then finish by saying that the others are just as easy to abuse, but it is ok because they make us happy.
So to sum up. Disagree is not an option not because it is easy to abuse. Because they are all easy to abuse. As you say. But disagree is not an option because it makes people sad.
Now you're just trying to twist my words. You know damn well what I mean and know what I say is true, you just don't accept it is all.
See i dont have to twist your words at all.
You said disagree is to easy to abuse so we cant have it.
Myself and the Op pointed out all the buttons are just as easy to abuse. So why is just disagree gone.
To which you responded... Trolls which still doesnt make sense, and the other buttons are positive so no one cares if they are abused.
That last part is the important part. You said disagree cant be a thing because it is to easy to abuse. Then say all the buttons are easy to abuse, but they are positive so no one cares. You disprove your own theory.
The only reason disagree isnt here, is not because it is easy to abuse. They all are. You said it. It isnt here because it upsets people when they get disagreed. It makes them angry or sad or lots of negative things.
I guess my next question would be, you said people dont care about the others being abused because they are positive. Why is me disagreeing with someone seen as negative?
Disagree is a NEGATIVE reaction by nature and easy for trolls to abuse. The forum has trolls, so it WILL get abused. According to a previous post in this thread, it WAS abused when around, and so was LOL which can be taken positively or negatively.
Agree, Insightful, and Awesome are all POSITIVE reactions by nature and not-so-easy to abuse. Anyone that tries gets moderated for it because they are essentially farming forum points. The majority of the forum community barely cares about forum point accumulation, so it is NOT abused, and proof is everywhere. Just because every once in a blue moon someone decides to give every post in a thread a reaction for kicks doesn't mean it's abused.
I cannot make it any clearer than this. If you STILL don't get it then tough cookies.
P.S. My responses here are in regards to the BUTTONS alone, not actual disagreement in posting.
Again you prove my point. They are treated different because of the reaction they get from people. Not because of how easy they are to abuse. Because it is just as easy to troll insightfuls as it is disagrees. People just dont care because it is positive. As a matter of fact the only people who seem to care about it are the mods themselves. The only difference in them is the reaction they invoke in people. So one had to be taken away.
I also disagree with your idea that disagree is a negative reaction by nature. We are taught that way. We are taught that it is important to be right. We arent taught to value people who have a different view point or might have different ideas then our own. So people get upset when someone disagress with them.
Let me ask you this: How many accounts have more Insightfuls than Agrees or Awesomes?
Now let me ask you this: How many accounts would have more Disagrees than Agrees, which people tend to have more of than Awesomes and Insightfuls, just because people would disagree with posts just for the sake of trolling in an attempt to make someone look stupid?
I rest my case.
And the only reason it matters is because that person thinks disagrees make them look stupid, and they get upset.
I rest my case!
Am i doin it right?
If reactions mean so little to you why are you trying to defend implementing the disagree button?Edited by UltimaJoe777 on August 15, 2016 7:33PMGuildmaster of Power With Numbers in PS4 NA Server's Aldmeri Dominion.
Proud Founder of the Yaysay cult! DOWN WITH THE NAYSAY CULT!! #ToxicRemedy0 -
vyndral13preub18_ESO✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭UltimaJoe777 wrote: »vyndral13preub18_ESO wrote: »UltimaJoe777 wrote: »vyndral13preub18_ESO wrote: »UltimaJoe777 wrote: »vyndral13preub18_ESO wrote: »UltimaJoe777 wrote: »vyndral13preub18_ESO wrote: »UltimaJoe777 wrote: »vyndral13preub18_ESO wrote: »UltimaJoe777 wrote: »There has already been a thread about this, and the same things being posted here (minus the non-serious posts) were posted there too.
It's too easy to abuse.
Ok since you bolded it, how do you abuse a button that says disagree?
also keep in mind we have the exact same function on the other buttons, so they are just as easy to abuse? Yet they remain?
Take a good look around you. Trolls... Trolls everywhere...UltimaJoe777 wrote: »There has already been a thread about this, and the same things being posted here (minus the non-serious posts) were posted there too.
It's too easy to abuse.
But the other buttons are not capable of being used to abuse ?
If you make a thread solely for the sake of farming forum points, prepare to be moderated. Beyond that no one really abuses the current buttons as they are all generally positive in nature.
You wrote stuff. Mostly the same stuff over. And answered how do you abuse a button that acts just like all the other buttons with... trolls. Good answer... If it made any sense.
And then finish by saying that the others are just as easy to abuse, but it is ok because they make us happy.
So to sum up. Disagree is not an option not because it is easy to abuse. Because they are all easy to abuse. As you say. But disagree is not an option because it makes people sad.
Now you're just trying to twist my words. You know damn well what I mean and know what I say is true, you just don't accept it is all.
See i dont have to twist your words at all.
You said disagree is to easy to abuse so we cant have it.
Myself and the Op pointed out all the buttons are just as easy to abuse. So why is just disagree gone.
To which you responded... Trolls which still doesnt make sense, and the other buttons are positive so no one cares if they are abused.
That last part is the important part. You said disagree cant be a thing because it is to easy to abuse. Then say all the buttons are easy to abuse, but they are positive so no one cares. You disprove your own theory.
The only reason disagree isnt here, is not because it is easy to abuse. They all are. You said it. It isnt here because it upsets people when they get disagreed. It makes them angry or sad or lots of negative things.
I guess my next question would be, you said people dont care about the others being abused because they are positive. Why is me disagreeing with someone seen as negative?
Disagree is a NEGATIVE reaction by nature and easy for trolls to abuse. The forum has trolls, so it WILL get abused. According to a previous post in this thread, it WAS abused when around, and so was LOL which can be taken positively or negatively.
Agree, Insightful, and Awesome are all POSITIVE reactions by nature and not-so-easy to abuse. Anyone that tries gets moderated for it because they are essentially farming forum points. The majority of the forum community barely cares about forum point accumulation, so it is NOT abused, and proof is everywhere. Just because every once in a blue moon someone decides to give every post in a thread a reaction for kicks doesn't mean it's abused.
I cannot make it any clearer than this. If you STILL don't get it then tough cookies.
P.S. My responses here are in regards to the BUTTONS alone, not actual disagreement in posting.
Again you prove my point. They are treated different because of the reaction they get from people. Not because of how easy they are to abuse. Because it is just as easy to troll insightfuls as it is disagrees. People just dont care because it is positive. As a matter of fact the only people who seem to care about it are the mods themselves. The only difference in them is the reaction they invoke in people. So one had to be taken away.
I also disagree with your idea that disagree is a negative reaction by nature. We are taught that way. We are taught that it is important to be right. We arent taught to value people who have a different view point or might have different ideas then our own. So people get upset when someone disagress with them.
Let me ask you this: How many accounts have more Insightfuls than Agrees or Awesomes?
Now let me ask you this: How many accounts would have more Disagrees than Agrees, which people tend to have more of than Awesomes and Insightfuls, just because people would disagree with posts just for the sake of trolling in an attempt to make someone look stupid?
I rest my case.
And the only reason it matters is because that person thinks disagrees make them look stupid, and they get upset.
I rest my case!
Am i doin it right?
If reactions mean so little to you why are you trying to defend implementing the disagree button?
You can go ahead and quote the part where i said reactions dont matter to me. Reactions are part of what make people, people and are very interesting.
What i am saying and it is only a little different then what you are saying. is the disagree went away because it hurt peoples feelings. You are saying it went away because it was easy to abuse. Which to me is actually the reaction. It hurt peoples feelings, so chuckleheads used it to hurt peoples feelings.
If disagrees did not hurt peoples feelings it would still be here.0 -
UltimaJoe777✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭vyndral13preub18_ESO wrote: »UltimaJoe777 wrote: »vyndral13preub18_ESO wrote: »UltimaJoe777 wrote: »vyndral13preub18_ESO wrote: »UltimaJoe777 wrote: »vyndral13preub18_ESO wrote: »UltimaJoe777 wrote: »vyndral13preub18_ESO wrote: »UltimaJoe777 wrote: »vyndral13preub18_ESO wrote: »UltimaJoe777 wrote: »There has already been a thread about this, and the same things being posted here (minus the non-serious posts) were posted there too.
It's too easy to abuse.
Ok since you bolded it, how do you abuse a button that says disagree?
also keep in mind we have the exact same function on the other buttons, so they are just as easy to abuse? Yet they remain?
Take a good look around you. Trolls... Trolls everywhere...UltimaJoe777 wrote: »There has already been a thread about this, and the same things being posted here (minus the non-serious posts) were posted there too.
It's too easy to abuse.
But the other buttons are not capable of being used to abuse ?
If you make a thread solely for the sake of farming forum points, prepare to be moderated. Beyond that no one really abuses the current buttons as they are all generally positive in nature.
You wrote stuff. Mostly the same stuff over. And answered how do you abuse a button that acts just like all the other buttons with... trolls. Good answer... If it made any sense.
And then finish by saying that the others are just as easy to abuse, but it is ok because they make us happy.
So to sum up. Disagree is not an option not because it is easy to abuse. Because they are all easy to abuse. As you say. But disagree is not an option because it makes people sad.
Now you're just trying to twist my words. You know damn well what I mean and know what I say is true, you just don't accept it is all.
See i dont have to twist your words at all.
You said disagree is to easy to abuse so we cant have it.
Myself and the Op pointed out all the buttons are just as easy to abuse. So why is just disagree gone.
To which you responded... Trolls which still doesnt make sense, and the other buttons are positive so no one cares if they are abused.
That last part is the important part. You said disagree cant be a thing because it is to easy to abuse. Then say all the buttons are easy to abuse, but they are positive so no one cares. You disprove your own theory.
The only reason disagree isnt here, is not because it is easy to abuse. They all are. You said it. It isnt here because it upsets people when they get disagreed. It makes them angry or sad or lots of negative things.
I guess my next question would be, you said people dont care about the others being abused because they are positive. Why is me disagreeing with someone seen as negative?
Disagree is a NEGATIVE reaction by nature and easy for trolls to abuse. The forum has trolls, so it WILL get abused. According to a previous post in this thread, it WAS abused when around, and so was LOL which can be taken positively or negatively.
Agree, Insightful, and Awesome are all POSITIVE reactions by nature and not-so-easy to abuse. Anyone that tries gets moderated for it because they are essentially farming forum points. The majority of the forum community barely cares about forum point accumulation, so it is NOT abused, and proof is everywhere. Just because every once in a blue moon someone decides to give every post in a thread a reaction for kicks doesn't mean it's abused.
I cannot make it any clearer than this. If you STILL don't get it then tough cookies.
P.S. My responses here are in regards to the BUTTONS alone, not actual disagreement in posting.
Again you prove my point. They are treated different because of the reaction they get from people. Not because of how easy they are to abuse. Because it is just as easy to troll insightfuls as it is disagrees. People just dont care because it is positive. As a matter of fact the only people who seem to care about it are the mods themselves. The only difference in them is the reaction they invoke in people. So one had to be taken away.
I also disagree with your idea that disagree is a negative reaction by nature. We are taught that way. We are taught that it is important to be right. We arent taught to value people who have a different view point or might have different ideas then our own. So people get upset when someone disagress with them.
Let me ask you this: How many accounts have more Insightfuls than Agrees or Awesomes?
Now let me ask you this: How many accounts would have more Disagrees than Agrees, which people tend to have more of than Awesomes and Insightfuls, just because people would disagree with posts just for the sake of trolling in an attempt to make someone look stupid?
I rest my case.
And the only reason it matters is because that person thinks disagrees make them look stupid, and they get upset.
I rest my case!
Am i doin it right?
If reactions mean so little to you why are you trying to defend implementing the disagree button?
You can go ahead and quote the part where i said reactions dont matter to me. Reactions are part of what make people, people and are very interesting.
What i am saying and it is only a little different then what you are saying. is the disagree went away because it hurt peoples feelings. You are saying it went away because it was easy to abuse. Which to me is actually the reaction. It hurt peoples feelings, so chuckleheads used it to hurt peoples feelings.
If disagrees did not hurt peoples feelings it would still be here.
Hence the abuse.
On a side note I have over twice as many comments as I do Agrees and I don't mind that. Just means people don't agree with me as much, and I do not expect anything more or less because that is their right to exercise as they see fit. Disagrees, however... well, it is as you say.Edited by UltimaJoe777 on August 15, 2016 7:41PMGuildmaster of Power With Numbers in PS4 NA Server's Aldmeri Dominion.
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✭✭✭✭UltimaJoe777 wrote: »vyndral13preub18_ESO wrote: »UltimaJoe777 wrote: »vyndral13preub18_ESO wrote: »UltimaJoe777 wrote: »vyndral13preub18_ESO wrote: »UltimaJoe777 wrote: »vyndral13preub18_ESO wrote: »UltimaJoe777 wrote: »vyndral13preub18_ESO wrote: »UltimaJoe777 wrote: »vyndral13preub18_ESO wrote: »UltimaJoe777 wrote: »There has already been a thread about this, and the same things being posted here (minus the non-serious posts) were posted there too.
It's too easy to abuse.
Ok since you bolded it, how do you abuse a button that says disagree?
also keep in mind we have the exact same function on the other buttons, so they are just as easy to abuse? Yet they remain?
Take a good look around you. Trolls... Trolls everywhere...UltimaJoe777 wrote: »There has already been a thread about this, and the same things being posted here (minus the non-serious posts) were posted there too.
It's too easy to abuse.
But the other buttons are not capable of being used to abuse ?
If you make a thread solely for the sake of farming forum points, prepare to be moderated. Beyond that no one really abuses the current buttons as they are all generally positive in nature.
You wrote stuff. Mostly the same stuff over. And answered how do you abuse a button that acts just like all the other buttons with... trolls. Good answer... If it made any sense.
And then finish by saying that the others are just as easy to abuse, but it is ok because they make us happy.
So to sum up. Disagree is not an option not because it is easy to abuse. Because they are all easy to abuse. As you say. But disagree is not an option because it makes people sad.
Now you're just trying to twist my words. You know damn well what I mean and know what I say is true, you just don't accept it is all.
See i dont have to twist your words at all.
You said disagree is to easy to abuse so we cant have it.
Myself and the Op pointed out all the buttons are just as easy to abuse. So why is just disagree gone.
To which you responded... Trolls which still doesnt make sense, and the other buttons are positive so no one cares if they are abused.
That last part is the important part. You said disagree cant be a thing because it is to easy to abuse. Then say all the buttons are easy to abuse, but they are positive so no one cares. You disprove your own theory.
The only reason disagree isnt here, is not because it is easy to abuse. They all are. You said it. It isnt here because it upsets people when they get disagreed. It makes them angry or sad or lots of negative things.
I guess my next question would be, you said people dont care about the others being abused because they are positive. Why is me disagreeing with someone seen as negative?
Disagree is a NEGATIVE reaction by nature and easy for trolls to abuse. The forum has trolls, so it WILL get abused. According to a previous post in this thread, it WAS abused when around, and so was LOL which can be taken positively or negatively.
Agree, Insightful, and Awesome are all POSITIVE reactions by nature and not-so-easy to abuse. Anyone that tries gets moderated for it because they are essentially farming forum points. The majority of the forum community barely cares about forum point accumulation, so it is NOT abused, and proof is everywhere. Just because every once in a blue moon someone decides to give every post in a thread a reaction for kicks doesn't mean it's abused.
I cannot make it any clearer than this. If you STILL don't get it then tough cookies.
P.S. My responses here are in regards to the BUTTONS alone, not actual disagreement in posting.
Again you prove my point. They are treated different because of the reaction they get from people. Not because of how easy they are to abuse. Because it is just as easy to troll insightfuls as it is disagrees. People just dont care because it is positive. As a matter of fact the only people who seem to care about it are the mods themselves. The only difference in them is the reaction they invoke in people. So one had to be taken away.
I also disagree with your idea that disagree is a negative reaction by nature. We are taught that way. We are taught that it is important to be right. We arent taught to value people who have a different view point or might have different ideas then our own. So people get upset when someone disagress with them.
Let me ask you this: How many accounts have more Insightfuls than Agrees or Awesomes?
Now let me ask you this: How many accounts would have more Disagrees than Agrees, which people tend to have more of than Awesomes and Insightfuls, just because people would disagree with posts just for the sake of trolling in an attempt to make someone look stupid?
I rest my case.
And the only reason it matters is because that person thinks disagrees make them look stupid, and they get upset.
I rest my case!
Am i doin it right?
If reactions mean so little to you why are you trying to defend implementing the disagree button?
You can go ahead and quote the part where i said reactions dont matter to me. Reactions are part of what make people, people and are very interesting.
What i am saying and it is only a little different then what you are saying. is the disagree went away because it hurt peoples feelings. You are saying it went away because it was easy to abuse. Which to me is actually the reaction. It hurt peoples feelings, so chuckleheads used it to hurt peoples feelings.
If disagrees did not hurt peoples feelings it would still be here.
Hence the abuse.
On a side note I have over twice as many comments as I do Agrees and I don't mind that. Just means people don't agree with me as much, and I do not expect anything more or less because that is their right to exercise as they see fit. Disagrees, however... well, it is as you say.
It is odd to me. And it isnt like it doesnt annoy me sometimes too. But at the same time when you think about it you have to laugh. Some random person ill never met and dont care about disagreed with me and now im annoyed.
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✭✭✭vyndral13preub18_ESO wrote: »UltimaJoe777 wrote: »vyndral13preub18_ESO wrote: »UltimaJoe777 wrote: »vyndral13preub18_ESO wrote: »UltimaJoe777 wrote: »vyndral13preub18_ESO wrote: »UltimaJoe777 wrote: »vyndral13preub18_ESO wrote: »UltimaJoe777 wrote: »vyndral13preub18_ESO wrote: »UltimaJoe777 wrote: »vyndral13preub18_ESO wrote: »UltimaJoe777 wrote: »There has already been a thread about this, and the same things being posted here (minus the non-serious posts) were posted there too.
It's too easy to abuse.
Ok since you bolded it, how do you abuse a button that says disagree?
also keep in mind we have the exact same function on the other buttons, so they are just as easy to abuse? Yet they remain?
Take a good look around you. Trolls... Trolls everywhere...UltimaJoe777 wrote: »There has already been a thread about this, and the same things being posted here (minus the non-serious posts) were posted there too.
It's too easy to abuse.
But the other buttons are not capable of being used to abuse ?
If you make a thread solely for the sake of farming forum points, prepare to be moderated. Beyond that no one really abuses the current buttons as they are all generally positive in nature.
You wrote stuff. Mostly the same stuff over. And answered how do you abuse a button that acts just like all the other buttons with... trolls. Good answer... If it made any sense.
And then finish by saying that the others are just as easy to abuse, but it is ok because they make us happy.
So to sum up. Disagree is not an option not because it is easy to abuse. Because they are all easy to abuse. As you say. But disagree is not an option because it makes people sad.
Now you're just trying to twist my words. You know damn well what I mean and know what I say is true, you just don't accept it is all.
See i dont have to twist your words at all.
You said disagree is to easy to abuse so we cant have it.
Myself and the Op pointed out all the buttons are just as easy to abuse. So why is just disagree gone.
To which you responded... Trolls which still doesnt make sense, and the other buttons are positive so no one cares if they are abused.
That last part is the important part. You said disagree cant be a thing because it is to easy to abuse. Then say all the buttons are easy to abuse, but they are positive so no one cares. You disprove your own theory.
The only reason disagree isnt here, is not because it is easy to abuse. They all are. You said it. It isnt here because it upsets people when they get disagreed. It makes them angry or sad or lots of negative things.
I guess my next question would be, you said people dont care about the others being abused because they are positive. Why is me disagreeing with someone seen as negative?
Disagree is a NEGATIVE reaction by nature and easy for trolls to abuse. The forum has trolls, so it WILL get abused. According to a previous post in this thread, it WAS abused when around, and so was LOL which can be taken positively or negatively.
Agree, Insightful, and Awesome are all POSITIVE reactions by nature and not-so-easy to abuse. Anyone that tries gets moderated for it because they are essentially farming forum points. The majority of the forum community barely cares about forum point accumulation, so it is NOT abused, and proof is everywhere. Just because every once in a blue moon someone decides to give every post in a thread a reaction for kicks doesn't mean it's abused.
I cannot make it any clearer than this. If you STILL don't get it then tough cookies.
P.S. My responses here are in regards to the BUTTONS alone, not actual disagreement in posting.
Again you prove my point. They are treated different because of the reaction they get from people. Not because of how easy they are to abuse. Because it is just as easy to troll insightfuls as it is disagrees. People just dont care because it is positive. As a matter of fact the only people who seem to care about it are the mods themselves. The only difference in them is the reaction they invoke in people. So one had to be taken away.
I also disagree with your idea that disagree is a negative reaction by nature. We are taught that way. We are taught that it is important to be right. We arent taught to value people who have a different view point or might have different ideas then our own. So people get upset when someone disagress with them.
Let me ask you this: How many accounts have more Insightfuls than Agrees or Awesomes?
Now let me ask you this: How many accounts would have more Disagrees than Agrees, which people tend to have more of than Awesomes and Insightfuls, just because people would disagree with posts just for the sake of trolling in an attempt to make someone look stupid?
I rest my case.
And the only reason it matters is because that person thinks disagrees make them look stupid, and they get upset.
I rest my case!
Am i doin it right?
If reactions mean so little to you why are you trying to defend implementing the disagree button?
You can go ahead and quote the part where i said reactions dont matter to me. Reactions are part of what make people, people and are very interesting.
What i am saying and it is only a little different then what you are saying. is the disagree went away because it hurt peoples feelings. You are saying it went away because it was easy to abuse. Which to me is actually the reaction. It hurt peoples feelings, so chuckleheads used it to hurt peoples feelings.
If disagrees did not hurt peoples feelings it would still be here.
Hence the abuse.
On a side note I have over twice as many comments as I do Agrees and I don't mind that. Just means people don't agree with me as much, and I do not expect anything more or less because that is their right to exercise as they see fit. Disagrees, however... well, it is as you say.
It is odd to me. And it isnt like it doesnt annoy me sometimes too. But at the same time when you think about it you have to laugh. Some random person ill never met and dont care about disagreed with me and now im annoyed.
More like a dozen or so all clicking disagree just to overall discredit your posts for the hell of it.Guildmaster of Power With Numbers in PS4 NA Server's Aldmeri Dominion.
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✭✭✭✭UltimaJoe777 wrote: »vyndral13preub18_ESO wrote: »UltimaJoe777 wrote: »vyndral13preub18_ESO wrote: »UltimaJoe777 wrote: »vyndral13preub18_ESO wrote: »UltimaJoe777 wrote: »vyndral13preub18_ESO wrote: »UltimaJoe777 wrote: »vyndral13preub18_ESO wrote: »UltimaJoe777 wrote: »vyndral13preub18_ESO wrote: »UltimaJoe777 wrote: »vyndral13preub18_ESO wrote: »UltimaJoe777 wrote: »There has already been a thread about this, and the same things being posted here (minus the non-serious posts) were posted there too.
It's too easy to abuse.
Ok since you bolded it, how do you abuse a button that says disagree?
also keep in mind we have the exact same function on the other buttons, so they are just as easy to abuse? Yet they remain?
Take a good look around you. Trolls... Trolls everywhere...UltimaJoe777 wrote: »There has already been a thread about this, and the same things being posted here (minus the non-serious posts) were posted there too.
It's too easy to abuse.
But the other buttons are not capable of being used to abuse ?
If you make a thread solely for the sake of farming forum points, prepare to be moderated. Beyond that no one really abuses the current buttons as they are all generally positive in nature.
You wrote stuff. Mostly the same stuff over. And answered how do you abuse a button that acts just like all the other buttons with... trolls. Good answer... If it made any sense.
And then finish by saying that the others are just as easy to abuse, but it is ok because they make us happy.
So to sum up. Disagree is not an option not because it is easy to abuse. Because they are all easy to abuse. As you say. But disagree is not an option because it makes people sad.
Now you're just trying to twist my words. You know damn well what I mean and know what I say is true, you just don't accept it is all.
See i dont have to twist your words at all.
You said disagree is to easy to abuse so we cant have it.
Myself and the Op pointed out all the buttons are just as easy to abuse. So why is just disagree gone.
To which you responded... Trolls which still doesnt make sense, and the other buttons are positive so no one cares if they are abused.
That last part is the important part. You said disagree cant be a thing because it is to easy to abuse. Then say all the buttons are easy to abuse, but they are positive so no one cares. You disprove your own theory.
The only reason disagree isnt here, is not because it is easy to abuse. They all are. You said it. It isnt here because it upsets people when they get disagreed. It makes them angry or sad or lots of negative things.
I guess my next question would be, you said people dont care about the others being abused because they are positive. Why is me disagreeing with someone seen as negative?
Disagree is a NEGATIVE reaction by nature and easy for trolls to abuse. The forum has trolls, so it WILL get abused. According to a previous post in this thread, it WAS abused when around, and so was LOL which can be taken positively or negatively.
Agree, Insightful, and Awesome are all POSITIVE reactions by nature and not-so-easy to abuse. Anyone that tries gets moderated for it because they are essentially farming forum points. The majority of the forum community barely cares about forum point accumulation, so it is NOT abused, and proof is everywhere. Just because every once in a blue moon someone decides to give every post in a thread a reaction for kicks doesn't mean it's abused.
I cannot make it any clearer than this. If you STILL don't get it then tough cookies.
P.S. My responses here are in regards to the BUTTONS alone, not actual disagreement in posting.
Again you prove my point. They are treated different because of the reaction they get from people. Not because of how easy they are to abuse. Because it is just as easy to troll insightfuls as it is disagrees. People just dont care because it is positive. As a matter of fact the only people who seem to care about it are the mods themselves. The only difference in them is the reaction they invoke in people. So one had to be taken away.
I also disagree with your idea that disagree is a negative reaction by nature. We are taught that way. We are taught that it is important to be right. We arent taught to value people who have a different view point or might have different ideas then our own. So people get upset when someone disagress with them.
Let me ask you this: How many accounts have more Insightfuls than Agrees or Awesomes?
Now let me ask you this: How many accounts would have more Disagrees than Agrees, which people tend to have more of than Awesomes and Insightfuls, just because people would disagree with posts just for the sake of trolling in an attempt to make someone look stupid?
I rest my case.
And the only reason it matters is because that person thinks disagrees make them look stupid, and they get upset.
I rest my case!
Am i doin it right?
If reactions mean so little to you why are you trying to defend implementing the disagree button?
You can go ahead and quote the part where i said reactions dont matter to me. Reactions are part of what make people, people and are very interesting.
What i am saying and it is only a little different then what you are saying. is the disagree went away because it hurt peoples feelings. You are saying it went away because it was easy to abuse. Which to me is actually the reaction. It hurt peoples feelings, so chuckleheads used it to hurt peoples feelings.
If disagrees did not hurt peoples feelings it would still be here.
Hence the abuse.
On a side note I have over twice as many comments as I do Agrees and I don't mind that. Just means people don't agree with me as much, and I do not expect anything more or less because that is their right to exercise as they see fit. Disagrees, however... well, it is as you say.
It is odd to me. And it isnt like it doesnt annoy me sometimes too. But at the same time when you think about it you have to laugh. Some random person ill never met and dont care about disagreed with me and now im annoyed.
More like a dozen or so all clicking disagree just to overall discredit your posts for the hell of it.
But see that doesnt matter either. You say discredit your post, but really think about it.
You really want the opinion of someone who might come into a thread look and say, ohh 20 disagrees, this guy is a dope, let me read something else? No. Those guys are useless.
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✭✭✭vyndral13preub18_ESO wrote: »UltimaJoe777 wrote: »vyndral13preub18_ESO wrote: »UltimaJoe777 wrote: »vyndral13preub18_ESO wrote: »UltimaJoe777 wrote: »vyndral13preub18_ESO wrote: »UltimaJoe777 wrote: »vyndral13preub18_ESO wrote: »UltimaJoe777 wrote: »vyndral13preub18_ESO wrote: »UltimaJoe777 wrote: »vyndral13preub18_ESO wrote: »UltimaJoe777 wrote: »vyndral13preub18_ESO wrote: »UltimaJoe777 wrote: »There has already been a thread about this, and the same things being posted here (minus the non-serious posts) were posted there too.
It's too easy to abuse.
Ok since you bolded it, how do you abuse a button that says disagree?
also keep in mind we have the exact same function on the other buttons, so they are just as easy to abuse? Yet they remain?
Take a good look around you. Trolls... Trolls everywhere...UltimaJoe777 wrote: »There has already been a thread about this, and the same things being posted here (minus the non-serious posts) were posted there too.
It's too easy to abuse.
But the other buttons are not capable of being used to abuse ?
If you make a thread solely for the sake of farming forum points, prepare to be moderated. Beyond that no one really abuses the current buttons as they are all generally positive in nature.
You wrote stuff. Mostly the same stuff over. And answered how do you abuse a button that acts just like all the other buttons with... trolls. Good answer... If it made any sense.
And then finish by saying that the others are just as easy to abuse, but it is ok because they make us happy.
So to sum up. Disagree is not an option not because it is easy to abuse. Because they are all easy to abuse. As you say. But disagree is not an option because it makes people sad.
Now you're just trying to twist my words. You know damn well what I mean and know what I say is true, you just don't accept it is all.
See i dont have to twist your words at all.
You said disagree is to easy to abuse so we cant have it.
Myself and the Op pointed out all the buttons are just as easy to abuse. So why is just disagree gone.
To which you responded... Trolls which still doesnt make sense, and the other buttons are positive so no one cares if they are abused.
That last part is the important part. You said disagree cant be a thing because it is to easy to abuse. Then say all the buttons are easy to abuse, but they are positive so no one cares. You disprove your own theory.
The only reason disagree isnt here, is not because it is easy to abuse. They all are. You said it. It isnt here because it upsets people when they get disagreed. It makes them angry or sad or lots of negative things.
I guess my next question would be, you said people dont care about the others being abused because they are positive. Why is me disagreeing with someone seen as negative?
Disagree is a NEGATIVE reaction by nature and easy for trolls to abuse. The forum has trolls, so it WILL get abused. According to a previous post in this thread, it WAS abused when around, and so was LOL which can be taken positively or negatively.
Agree, Insightful, and Awesome are all POSITIVE reactions by nature and not-so-easy to abuse. Anyone that tries gets moderated for it because they are essentially farming forum points. The majority of the forum community barely cares about forum point accumulation, so it is NOT abused, and proof is everywhere. Just because every once in a blue moon someone decides to give every post in a thread a reaction for kicks doesn't mean it's abused.
I cannot make it any clearer than this. If you STILL don't get it then tough cookies.
P.S. My responses here are in regards to the BUTTONS alone, not actual disagreement in posting.
Again you prove my point. They are treated different because of the reaction they get from people. Not because of how easy they are to abuse. Because it is just as easy to troll insightfuls as it is disagrees. People just dont care because it is positive. As a matter of fact the only people who seem to care about it are the mods themselves. The only difference in them is the reaction they invoke in people. So one had to be taken away.
I also disagree with your idea that disagree is a negative reaction by nature. We are taught that way. We are taught that it is important to be right. We arent taught to value people who have a different view point or might have different ideas then our own. So people get upset when someone disagress with them.
Let me ask you this: How many accounts have more Insightfuls than Agrees or Awesomes?
Now let me ask you this: How many accounts would have more Disagrees than Agrees, which people tend to have more of than Awesomes and Insightfuls, just because people would disagree with posts just for the sake of trolling in an attempt to make someone look stupid?
I rest my case.
And the only reason it matters is because that person thinks disagrees make them look stupid, and they get upset.
I rest my case!
Am i doin it right?
If reactions mean so little to you why are you trying to defend implementing the disagree button?
You can go ahead and quote the part where i said reactions dont matter to me. Reactions are part of what make people, people and are very interesting.
What i am saying and it is only a little different then what you are saying. is the disagree went away because it hurt peoples feelings. You are saying it went away because it was easy to abuse. Which to me is actually the reaction. It hurt peoples feelings, so chuckleheads used it to hurt peoples feelings.
If disagrees did not hurt peoples feelings it would still be here.
Hence the abuse.
On a side note I have over twice as many comments as I do Agrees and I don't mind that. Just means people don't agree with me as much, and I do not expect anything more or less because that is their right to exercise as they see fit. Disagrees, however... well, it is as you say.
It is odd to me. And it isnt like it doesnt annoy me sometimes too. But at the same time when you think about it you have to laugh. Some random person ill never met and dont care about disagreed with me and now im annoyed.
More like a dozen or so all clicking disagree just to overall discredit your posts for the hell of it.
But see that doesnt matter either. You say discredit your post, but really think about it.
You really want the opinion of someone who might come into a thread look and say, ohh 20 disagrees, this guy is a dope, let me read something else? No. Those guys are useless.
The people who would still respond and give good feed back still will. It might actually be a favor and keep some of the idiots away.
Except when EVERYONE has 20 disagrees on literally EVERY post they make in EVERY thread...
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Lucius_Aelius✭✭✭✭Imagine: someone posts something they think is going to have a lot of people in agreeance with, only to have people disagree with it instead.
Their feelings would get hurt.
It's 2016, and as such, we can't have people going around thinking they aren't the smartest person in the room and that their opinion doesn't matter.
Could you imagine a world where people could be told their stupid from time to time? I couldn't fathom it.
You can do that now, except that now you need to actually say something yourself and are forced to stand by your comments or retract them (as it should be), whereas with a disagree function you'd have the ability to just mindlessly disagree with people without having to explain why.
It means less than nothing on its own for anyone to disagree with anything, all that ever matters is why they disagree and whether their reasoning makes any kind of sense. People should always have to explain their specific reasoning behind their disagreement, and if the reasons are sensible or found lacking then that person's disagreement can be regarded or disregarded accordingly.
Quite apart from the anonymity of it, having the ability to disagree with someone without being forced to stand by your reasoning is antithetical to having any kind of proper discussion about anything. If you say your reasons and the reasons have merit then so be it, but if you can't manage that then nothing you have to say is worth listening to or being considered.
When someone else says something and explains themselves similarly to how you would then it makes sense to just have the ability to say that you agree with them, but it's their reasoning you're agreeing with as much as their conclusion, so that's completely different from disagreeing with someone and not explaining specifically why.
Also I don't think there should be anonymity with the like system at all, everyone in any discussion should absolutely and unequivocally be held accountable for each and every contribution (or lack thereof) that they make, it wouldn't make it okay to have a disagree function as I've explained but it's something I think would benefit discussions to properly see all the contributions people make.
I'm all for people being honest and specifically spelling out all the reasons they think someone else is stupid if they in fact believe it and have a logical argument to prove it, but mindless negativity without regard for reasoning is the territory of trolls, and as such they are the only ones who would benefit in any way from such a change as this.Daggerfall Covenant - Scourge (Xbox NA) - GT: Lucius Aelius - Lord - 648CP
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Shadowshire✭✭✭✭It could be cool, but you know people are evil right? They will probably ask guildies to spamm disagrees on certain subjects. Especially the casual scrolls that never leave the forums.
Anyway, having no agrees/awesomes/insightfull is kind of indicator already.
Players can ask their guildies to spam "agrees" on certain subjects, too. So your disagreement for that reason has no merit.
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Lucius_Aelius✭✭✭✭spectre303 wrote: »i just find it funny that people think someone clicking disagree on their post = getting trolled
Anyone who goes around disagreeing with people and not bothering to explain why is a troll, whether they realize it or not. People with brains say they don't agree and then give specific reasons why, because that's called a discussion and that's what this forum is for.Daggerfall Covenant - Scourge (Xbox NA) - GT: Lucius Aelius - Lord - 648CP
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✭✭✭✭UltimaJoe777 wrote: »vyndral13preub18_ESO wrote: »UltimaJoe777 wrote: »vyndral13preub18_ESO wrote: »UltimaJoe777 wrote: »vyndral13preub18_ESO wrote: »UltimaJoe777 wrote: »vyndral13preub18_ESO wrote: »UltimaJoe777 wrote: »vyndral13preub18_ESO wrote: »UltimaJoe777 wrote: »vyndral13preub18_ESO wrote: »UltimaJoe777 wrote: »vyndral13preub18_ESO wrote: »UltimaJoe777 wrote: »vyndral13preub18_ESO wrote: »UltimaJoe777 wrote: »There has already been a thread about this, and the same things being posted here (minus the non-serious posts) were posted there too.
It's too easy to abuse.
Ok since you bolded it, how do you abuse a button that says disagree?
also keep in mind we have the exact same function on the other buttons, so they are just as easy to abuse? Yet they remain?
Take a good look around you. Trolls... Trolls everywhere...UltimaJoe777 wrote: »There has already been a thread about this, and the same things being posted here (minus the non-serious posts) were posted there too.
It's too easy to abuse.
But the other buttons are not capable of being used to abuse ?
If you make a thread solely for the sake of farming forum points, prepare to be moderated. Beyond that no one really abuses the current buttons as they are all generally positive in nature.
You wrote stuff. Mostly the same stuff over. And answered how do you abuse a button that acts just like all the other buttons with... trolls. Good answer... If it made any sense.
And then finish by saying that the others are just as easy to abuse, but it is ok because they make us happy.
So to sum up. Disagree is not an option not because it is easy to abuse. Because they are all easy to abuse. As you say. But disagree is not an option because it makes people sad.
Now you're just trying to twist my words. You know damn well what I mean and know what I say is true, you just don't accept it is all.
See i dont have to twist your words at all.
You said disagree is to easy to abuse so we cant have it.
Myself and the Op pointed out all the buttons are just as easy to abuse. So why is just disagree gone.
To which you responded... Trolls which still doesnt make sense, and the other buttons are positive so no one cares if they are abused.
That last part is the important part. You said disagree cant be a thing because it is to easy to abuse. Then say all the buttons are easy to abuse, but they are positive so no one cares. You disprove your own theory.
The only reason disagree isnt here, is not because it is easy to abuse. They all are. You said it. It isnt here because it upsets people when they get disagreed. It makes them angry or sad or lots of negative things.
I guess my next question would be, you said people dont care about the others being abused because they are positive. Why is me disagreeing with someone seen as negative?
Disagree is a NEGATIVE reaction by nature and easy for trolls to abuse. The forum has trolls, so it WILL get abused. According to a previous post in this thread, it WAS abused when around, and so was LOL which can be taken positively or negatively.
Agree, Insightful, and Awesome are all POSITIVE reactions by nature and not-so-easy to abuse. Anyone that tries gets moderated for it because they are essentially farming forum points. The majority of the forum community barely cares about forum point accumulation, so it is NOT abused, and proof is everywhere. Just because every once in a blue moon someone decides to give every post in a thread a reaction for kicks doesn't mean it's abused.
I cannot make it any clearer than this. If you STILL don't get it then tough cookies.
P.S. My responses here are in regards to the BUTTONS alone, not actual disagreement in posting.
Again you prove my point. They are treated different because of the reaction they get from people. Not because of how easy they are to abuse. Because it is just as easy to troll insightfuls as it is disagrees. People just dont care because it is positive. As a matter of fact the only people who seem to care about it are the mods themselves. The only difference in them is the reaction they invoke in people. So one had to be taken away.
I also disagree with your idea that disagree is a negative reaction by nature. We are taught that way. We are taught that it is important to be right. We arent taught to value people who have a different view point or might have different ideas then our own. So people get upset when someone disagress with them.
Let me ask you this: How many accounts have more Insightfuls than Agrees or Awesomes?
Now let me ask you this: How many accounts would have more Disagrees than Agrees, which people tend to have more of than Awesomes and Insightfuls, just because people would disagree with posts just for the sake of trolling in an attempt to make someone look stupid?
I rest my case.
And the only reason it matters is because that person thinks disagrees make them look stupid, and they get upset.
I rest my case!
Am i doin it right?
If reactions mean so little to you why are you trying to defend implementing the disagree button?
You can go ahead and quote the part where i said reactions dont matter to me. Reactions are part of what make people, people and are very interesting.
What i am saying and it is only a little different then what you are saying. is the disagree went away because it hurt peoples feelings. You are saying it went away because it was easy to abuse. Which to me is actually the reaction. It hurt peoples feelings, so chuckleheads used it to hurt peoples feelings.
If disagrees did not hurt peoples feelings it would still be here.
Hence the abuse.
On a side note I have over twice as many comments as I do Agrees and I don't mind that. Just means people don't agree with me as much, and I do not expect anything more or less because that is their right to exercise as they see fit. Disagrees, however... well, it is as you say.
It is odd to me. And it isnt like it doesnt annoy me sometimes too. But at the same time when you think about it you have to laugh. Some random person ill never met and dont care about disagreed with me and now im annoyed.
More like a dozen or so all clicking disagree just to overall discredit your posts for the hell of it.
But see that doesnt matter either. You say discredit your post, but really think about it.
You really want the opinion of someone who might come into a thread look and say, ohh 20 disagrees, this guy is a dope, let me read something else? No. Those guys are useless.
The people who would still respond and give good feed back still will. It might actually be a favor and keep some of the idiots away.
Except when EVERYONE has 20 disagrees on literally EVERY post they make in EVERY thread...
The trolling is real on these forums. They do not need more bait...
But that didnt actually happen. And ive never actually seen it happen even on forums that have a disagree system.0 -
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since this is a forum i think it would be convenient and constructive to add an "disagree" option to posts and comments.
If you are going to do that then the three options should be "clueless" , "disagree", and "ridiculous" (or "assinine").
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✭✭✭spectre303 wrote: »i just find it funny that people think someone clicking disagree on their post = getting trolled
1 disagree sure, but many would be trolling... Also this:Lucius_Aelius wrote: »Anyone who goes around disagreeing with people and not bothering to explain why is a troll, whether they realize it or not. People with brains say they don't agree and then give specific reasons why, because that's called a discussion and that's what this forum is for.vyndral13preub18_ESO wrote: »UltimaJoe777 wrote: »vyndral13preub18_ESO wrote: »UltimaJoe777 wrote: »vyndral13preub18_ESO wrote: »UltimaJoe777 wrote: »vyndral13preub18_ESO wrote: »UltimaJoe777 wrote: »vyndral13preub18_ESO wrote: »UltimaJoe777 wrote: »vyndral13preub18_ESO wrote: »UltimaJoe777 wrote: »vyndral13preub18_ESO wrote: »UltimaJoe777 wrote: »vyndral13preub18_ESO wrote: »UltimaJoe777 wrote: »vyndral13preub18_ESO wrote: »UltimaJoe777 wrote: »There has already been a thread about this, and the same things being posted here (minus the non-serious posts) were posted there too.
It's too easy to abuse.
Ok since you bolded it, how do you abuse a button that says disagree?
also keep in mind we have the exact same function on the other buttons, so they are just as easy to abuse? Yet they remain?
Take a good look around you. Trolls... Trolls everywhere...UltimaJoe777 wrote: »There has already been a thread about this, and the same things being posted here (minus the non-serious posts) were posted there too.
It's too easy to abuse.
But the other buttons are not capable of being used to abuse ?
If you make a thread solely for the sake of farming forum points, prepare to be moderated. Beyond that no one really abuses the current buttons as they are all generally positive in nature.
You wrote stuff. Mostly the same stuff over. And answered how do you abuse a button that acts just like all the other buttons with... trolls. Good answer... If it made any sense.
And then finish by saying that the others are just as easy to abuse, but it is ok because they make us happy.
So to sum up. Disagree is not an option not because it is easy to abuse. Because they are all easy to abuse. As you say. But disagree is not an option because it makes people sad.
Now you're just trying to twist my words. You know damn well what I mean and know what I say is true, you just don't accept it is all.
See i dont have to twist your words at all.
You said disagree is to easy to abuse so we cant have it.
Myself and the Op pointed out all the buttons are just as easy to abuse. So why is just disagree gone.
To which you responded... Trolls which still doesnt make sense, and the other buttons are positive so no one cares if they are abused.
That last part is the important part. You said disagree cant be a thing because it is to easy to abuse. Then say all the buttons are easy to abuse, but they are positive so no one cares. You disprove your own theory.
The only reason disagree isnt here, is not because it is easy to abuse. They all are. You said it. It isnt here because it upsets people when they get disagreed. It makes them angry or sad or lots of negative things.
I guess my next question would be, you said people dont care about the others being abused because they are positive. Why is me disagreeing with someone seen as negative?
Disagree is a NEGATIVE reaction by nature and easy for trolls to abuse. The forum has trolls, so it WILL get abused. According to a previous post in this thread, it WAS abused when around, and so was LOL which can be taken positively or negatively.
Agree, Insightful, and Awesome are all POSITIVE reactions by nature and not-so-easy to abuse. Anyone that tries gets moderated for it because they are essentially farming forum points. The majority of the forum community barely cares about forum point accumulation, so it is NOT abused, and proof is everywhere. Just because every once in a blue moon someone decides to give every post in a thread a reaction for kicks doesn't mean it's abused.
I cannot make it any clearer than this. If you STILL don't get it then tough cookies.
P.S. My responses here are in regards to the BUTTONS alone, not actual disagreement in posting.
Again you prove my point. They are treated different because of the reaction they get from people. Not because of how easy they are to abuse. Because it is just as easy to troll insightfuls as it is disagrees. People just dont care because it is positive. As a matter of fact the only people who seem to care about it are the mods themselves. The only difference in them is the reaction they invoke in people. So one had to be taken away.
I also disagree with your idea that disagree is a negative reaction by nature. We are taught that way. We are taught that it is important to be right. We arent taught to value people who have a different view point or might have different ideas then our own. So people get upset when someone disagress with them.
Let me ask you this: How many accounts have more Insightfuls than Agrees or Awesomes?
Now let me ask you this: How many accounts would have more Disagrees than Agrees, which people tend to have more of than Awesomes and Insightfuls, just because people would disagree with posts just for the sake of trolling in an attempt to make someone look stupid?
I rest my case.
And the only reason it matters is because that person thinks disagrees make them look stupid, and they get upset.
I rest my case!
Am i doin it right?
If reactions mean so little to you why are you trying to defend implementing the disagree button?
You can go ahead and quote the part where i said reactions dont matter to me. Reactions are part of what make people, people and are very interesting.
What i am saying and it is only a little different then what you are saying. is the disagree went away because it hurt peoples feelings. You are saying it went away because it was easy to abuse. Which to me is actually the reaction. It hurt peoples feelings, so chuckleheads used it to hurt peoples feelings.
If disagrees did not hurt peoples feelings it would still be here.
Hence the abuse.
On a side note I have over twice as many comments as I do Agrees and I don't mind that. Just means people don't agree with me as much, and I do not expect anything more or less because that is their right to exercise as they see fit. Disagrees, however... well, it is as you say.
It is odd to me. And it isnt like it doesnt annoy me sometimes too. But at the same time when you think about it you have to laugh. Some random person ill never met and dont care about disagreed with me and now im annoyed.
More like a dozen or so all clicking disagree just to overall discredit your posts for the hell of it.
But see that doesnt matter either. You say discredit your post, but really think about it.
You really want the opinion of someone who might come into a thread look and say, ohh 20 disagrees, this guy is a dope, let me read something else? No. Those guys are useless.
The people who would still respond and give good feed back still will. It might actually be a favor and keep some of the idiots away.
Except when EVERYONE has 20 disagrees on literally EVERY post they make in EVERY thread...
The trolling is real on these forums. They do not need more bait...
But that didnt actually happen. And ive never actually seen it happen even on forums that have a disagree system.
Doesn't mean it can't, or won't.Edited by UltimaJoe777 on August 15, 2016 9:10PMGuildmaster of Power With Numbers in PS4 NA Server's Aldmeri Dominion.
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✭✭✭✭UltimaJoe777 wrote: »spectre303 wrote: »i just find it funny that people think someone clicking disagree on their post = getting trolled
1 disagree sure, but many would be trolling... Also this:Lucius_Aelius wrote: »Anyone who goes around disagreeing with people and not bothering to explain why is a troll, whether they realize it or not. People with brains say they don't agree and then give specific reasons why, because that's called a discussion and that's what this forum is for.vyndral13preub18_ESO wrote: »UltimaJoe777 wrote: »vyndral13preub18_ESO wrote: »UltimaJoe777 wrote: »vyndral13preub18_ESO wrote: »UltimaJoe777 wrote: »vyndral13preub18_ESO wrote: »UltimaJoe777 wrote: »vyndral13preub18_ESO wrote: »UltimaJoe777 wrote: »vyndral13preub18_ESO wrote: »UltimaJoe777 wrote: »vyndral13preub18_ESO wrote: »UltimaJoe777 wrote: »vyndral13preub18_ESO wrote: »UltimaJoe777 wrote: »vyndral13preub18_ESO wrote: »UltimaJoe777 wrote: »There has already been a thread about this, and the same things being posted here (minus the non-serious posts) were posted there too.
It's too easy to abuse.
Ok since you bolded it, how do you abuse a button that says disagree?
also keep in mind we have the exact same function on the other buttons, so they are just as easy to abuse? Yet they remain?
Take a good look around you. Trolls... Trolls everywhere...UltimaJoe777 wrote: »There has already been a thread about this, and the same things being posted here (minus the non-serious posts) were posted there too.
It's too easy to abuse.
But the other buttons are not capable of being used to abuse ?
If you make a thread solely for the sake of farming forum points, prepare to be moderated. Beyond that no one really abuses the current buttons as they are all generally positive in nature.
You wrote stuff. Mostly the same stuff over. And answered how do you abuse a button that acts just like all the other buttons with... trolls. Good answer... If it made any sense.
And then finish by saying that the others are just as easy to abuse, but it is ok because they make us happy.
So to sum up. Disagree is not an option not because it is easy to abuse. Because they are all easy to abuse. As you say. But disagree is not an option because it makes people sad.
Now you're just trying to twist my words. You know damn well what I mean and know what I say is true, you just don't accept it is all.
See i dont have to twist your words at all.
You said disagree is to easy to abuse so we cant have it.
Myself and the Op pointed out all the buttons are just as easy to abuse. So why is just disagree gone.
To which you responded... Trolls which still doesnt make sense, and the other buttons are positive so no one cares if they are abused.
That last part is the important part. You said disagree cant be a thing because it is to easy to abuse. Then say all the buttons are easy to abuse, but they are positive so no one cares. You disprove your own theory.
The only reason disagree isnt here, is not because it is easy to abuse. They all are. You said it. It isnt here because it upsets people when they get disagreed. It makes them angry or sad or lots of negative things.
I guess my next question would be, you said people dont care about the others being abused because they are positive. Why is me disagreeing with someone seen as negative?
Disagree is a NEGATIVE reaction by nature and easy for trolls to abuse. The forum has trolls, so it WILL get abused. According to a previous post in this thread, it WAS abused when around, and so was LOL which can be taken positively or negatively.
Agree, Insightful, and Awesome are all POSITIVE reactions by nature and not-so-easy to abuse. Anyone that tries gets moderated for it because they are essentially farming forum points. The majority of the forum community barely cares about forum point accumulation, so it is NOT abused, and proof is everywhere. Just because every once in a blue moon someone decides to give every post in a thread a reaction for kicks doesn't mean it's abused.
I cannot make it any clearer than this. If you STILL don't get it then tough cookies.
P.S. My responses here are in regards to the BUTTONS alone, not actual disagreement in posting.
Again you prove my point. They are treated different because of the reaction they get from people. Not because of how easy they are to abuse. Because it is just as easy to troll insightfuls as it is disagrees. People just dont care because it is positive. As a matter of fact the only people who seem to care about it are the mods themselves. The only difference in them is the reaction they invoke in people. So one had to be taken away.
I also disagree with your idea that disagree is a negative reaction by nature. We are taught that way. We are taught that it is important to be right. We arent taught to value people who have a different view point or might have different ideas then our own. So people get upset when someone disagress with them.
Let me ask you this: How many accounts have more Insightfuls than Agrees or Awesomes?
Now let me ask you this: How many accounts would have more Disagrees than Agrees, which people tend to have more of than Awesomes and Insightfuls, just because people would disagree with posts just for the sake of trolling in an attempt to make someone look stupid?
I rest my case.
And the only reason it matters is because that person thinks disagrees make them look stupid, and they get upset.
I rest my case!
Am i doin it right?
If reactions mean so little to you why are you trying to defend implementing the disagree button?
You can go ahead and quote the part where i said reactions dont matter to me. Reactions are part of what make people, people and are very interesting.
What i am saying and it is only a little different then what you are saying. is the disagree went away because it hurt peoples feelings. You are saying it went away because it was easy to abuse. Which to me is actually the reaction. It hurt peoples feelings, so chuckleheads used it to hurt peoples feelings.
If disagrees did not hurt peoples feelings it would still be here.
Hence the abuse.
On a side note I have over twice as many comments as I do Agrees and I don't mind that. Just means people don't agree with me as much, and I do not expect anything more or less because that is their right to exercise as they see fit. Disagrees, however... well, it is as you say.
It is odd to me. And it isnt like it doesnt annoy me sometimes too. But at the same time when you think about it you have to laugh. Some random person ill never met and dont care about disagreed with me and now im annoyed.
More like a dozen or so all clicking disagree just to overall discredit your posts for the hell of it.
But see that doesnt matter either. You say discredit your post, but really think about it.
You really want the opinion of someone who might come into a thread look and say, ohh 20 disagrees, this guy is a dope, let me read something else? No. Those guys are useless.
The people who would still respond and give good feed back still will. It might actually be a favor and keep some of the idiots away.
Except when EVERYONE has 20 disagrees on literally EVERY post they make in EVERY thread...
The trolling is real on these forums. They do not need more bait...
But that didnt actually happen. And ive never actually seen it happen even on forums that have a disagree system.
Doesn't mean it can't, or won't.
Good point better remove all the buttons. Soon all the post from everyone is going to have 20 insightfuls 20 agrees and 20 really? This is dumb.
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✭✭✭vyndral13preub18_ESO wrote: »UltimaJoe777 wrote: »spectre303 wrote: »i just find it funny that people think someone clicking disagree on their post = getting trolled
1 disagree sure, but many would be trolling... Also this:Lucius_Aelius wrote: »Anyone who goes around disagreeing with people and not bothering to explain why is a troll, whether they realize it or not. People with brains say they don't agree and then give specific reasons why, because that's called a discussion and that's what this forum is for.vyndral13preub18_ESO wrote: »UltimaJoe777 wrote: »vyndral13preub18_ESO wrote: »UltimaJoe777 wrote: »vyndral13preub18_ESO wrote: »UltimaJoe777 wrote: »vyndral13preub18_ESO wrote: »UltimaJoe777 wrote: »vyndral13preub18_ESO wrote: »UltimaJoe777 wrote: »vyndral13preub18_ESO wrote: »UltimaJoe777 wrote: »vyndral13preub18_ESO wrote: »UltimaJoe777 wrote: »vyndral13preub18_ESO wrote: »UltimaJoe777 wrote: »vyndral13preub18_ESO wrote: »UltimaJoe777 wrote: »There has already been a thread about this, and the same things being posted here (minus the non-serious posts) were posted there too.
It's too easy to abuse.
Ok since you bolded it, how do you abuse a button that says disagree?
also keep in mind we have the exact same function on the other buttons, so they are just as easy to abuse? Yet they remain?
Take a good look around you. Trolls... Trolls everywhere...UltimaJoe777 wrote: »There has already been a thread about this, and the same things being posted here (minus the non-serious posts) were posted there too.
It's too easy to abuse.
But the other buttons are not capable of being used to abuse ?
If you make a thread solely for the sake of farming forum points, prepare to be moderated. Beyond that no one really abuses the current buttons as they are all generally positive in nature.
You wrote stuff. Mostly the same stuff over. And answered how do you abuse a button that acts just like all the other buttons with... trolls. Good answer... If it made any sense.
And then finish by saying that the others are just as easy to abuse, but it is ok because they make us happy.
So to sum up. Disagree is not an option not because it is easy to abuse. Because they are all easy to abuse. As you say. But disagree is not an option because it makes people sad.
Now you're just trying to twist my words. You know damn well what I mean and know what I say is true, you just don't accept it is all.
See i dont have to twist your words at all.
You said disagree is to easy to abuse so we cant have it.
Myself and the Op pointed out all the buttons are just as easy to abuse. So why is just disagree gone.
To which you responded... Trolls which still doesnt make sense, and the other buttons are positive so no one cares if they are abused.
That last part is the important part. You said disagree cant be a thing because it is to easy to abuse. Then say all the buttons are easy to abuse, but they are positive so no one cares. You disprove your own theory.
The only reason disagree isnt here, is not because it is easy to abuse. They all are. You said it. It isnt here because it upsets people when they get disagreed. It makes them angry or sad or lots of negative things.
I guess my next question would be, you said people dont care about the others being abused because they are positive. Why is me disagreeing with someone seen as negative?
Disagree is a NEGATIVE reaction by nature and easy for trolls to abuse. The forum has trolls, so it WILL get abused. According to a previous post in this thread, it WAS abused when around, and so was LOL which can be taken positively or negatively.
Agree, Insightful, and Awesome are all POSITIVE reactions by nature and not-so-easy to abuse. Anyone that tries gets moderated for it because they are essentially farming forum points. The majority of the forum community barely cares about forum point accumulation, so it is NOT abused, and proof is everywhere. Just because every once in a blue moon someone decides to give every post in a thread a reaction for kicks doesn't mean it's abused.
I cannot make it any clearer than this. If you STILL don't get it then tough cookies.
P.S. My responses here are in regards to the BUTTONS alone, not actual disagreement in posting.
Again you prove my point. They are treated different because of the reaction they get from people. Not because of how easy they are to abuse. Because it is just as easy to troll insightfuls as it is disagrees. People just dont care because it is positive. As a matter of fact the only people who seem to care about it are the mods themselves. The only difference in them is the reaction they invoke in people. So one had to be taken away.
I also disagree with your idea that disagree is a negative reaction by nature. We are taught that way. We are taught that it is important to be right. We arent taught to value people who have a different view point or might have different ideas then our own. So people get upset when someone disagress with them.
Let me ask you this: How many accounts have more Insightfuls than Agrees or Awesomes?
Now let me ask you this: How many accounts would have more Disagrees than Agrees, which people tend to have more of than Awesomes and Insightfuls, just because people would disagree with posts just for the sake of trolling in an attempt to make someone look stupid?
I rest my case.
And the only reason it matters is because that person thinks disagrees make them look stupid, and they get upset.
I rest my case!
Am i doin it right?
If reactions mean so little to you why are you trying to defend implementing the disagree button?
You can go ahead and quote the part where i said reactions dont matter to me. Reactions are part of what make people, people and are very interesting.
What i am saying and it is only a little different then what you are saying. is the disagree went away because it hurt peoples feelings. You are saying it went away because it was easy to abuse. Which to me is actually the reaction. It hurt peoples feelings, so chuckleheads used it to hurt peoples feelings.
If disagrees did not hurt peoples feelings it would still be here.
Hence the abuse.
On a side note I have over twice as many comments as I do Agrees and I don't mind that. Just means people don't agree with me as much, and I do not expect anything more or less because that is their right to exercise as they see fit. Disagrees, however... well, it is as you say.
It is odd to me. And it isnt like it doesnt annoy me sometimes too. But at the same time when you think about it you have to laugh. Some random person ill never met and dont care about disagreed with me and now im annoyed.
More like a dozen or so all clicking disagree just to overall discredit your posts for the hell of it.
But see that doesnt matter either. You say discredit your post, but really think about it.
You really want the opinion of someone who might come into a thread look and say, ohh 20 disagrees, this guy is a dope, let me read something else? No. Those guys are useless.
The people who would still respond and give good feed back still will. It might actually be a favor and keep some of the idiots away.
Except when EVERYONE has 20 disagrees on literally EVERY post they make in EVERY thread...
The trolling is real on these forums. They do not need more bait...
But that didnt actually happen. And ive never actually seen it happen even on forums that have a disagree system.
Doesn't mean it can't, or won't.
Good point better remove all the buttons. Soon all the post from everyone is going to have 20 insightfuls 20 agrees and 20 really? This is dumb.
What's dumb is how people want a button to lazily disagree with a post so they don't have to actually reply, thus being even less constructive than they already can be. Seriously, stop trying to pawn it off on the existing reactions that are actually working fine as is.Edited by UltimaJoe777 on August 15, 2016 9:21PMGuildmaster of Power With Numbers in PS4 NA Server's Aldmeri Dominion.
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✭✭✭✭UltimaJoe777 wrote: »vyndral13preub18_ESO wrote: »UltimaJoe777 wrote: »spectre303 wrote: »i just find it funny that people think someone clicking disagree on their post = getting trolled
1 disagree sure, but many would be trolling... Also this:Lucius_Aelius wrote: »Anyone who goes around disagreeing with people and not bothering to explain why is a troll, whether they realize it or not. People with brains say they don't agree and then give specific reasons why, because that's called a discussion and that's what this forum is for.vyndral13preub18_ESO wrote: »UltimaJoe777 wrote: »vyndral13preub18_ESO wrote: »UltimaJoe777 wrote: »vyndral13preub18_ESO wrote: »UltimaJoe777 wrote: »vyndral13preub18_ESO wrote: »UltimaJoe777 wrote: »vyndral13preub18_ESO wrote: »UltimaJoe777 wrote: »vyndral13preub18_ESO wrote: »UltimaJoe777 wrote: »vyndral13preub18_ESO wrote: »UltimaJoe777 wrote: »vyndral13preub18_ESO wrote: »UltimaJoe777 wrote: »vyndral13preub18_ESO wrote: »UltimaJoe777 wrote: »There has already been a thread about this, and the same things being posted here (minus the non-serious posts) were posted there too.
It's too easy to abuse.
Ok since you bolded it, how do you abuse a button that says disagree?
also keep in mind we have the exact same function on the other buttons, so they are just as easy to abuse? Yet they remain?
Take a good look around you. Trolls... Trolls everywhere...UltimaJoe777 wrote: »There has already been a thread about this, and the same things being posted here (minus the non-serious posts) were posted there too.
It's too easy to abuse.
But the other buttons are not capable of being used to abuse ?
If you make a thread solely for the sake of farming forum points, prepare to be moderated. Beyond that no one really abuses the current buttons as they are all generally positive in nature.
You wrote stuff. Mostly the same stuff over. And answered how do you abuse a button that acts just like all the other buttons with... trolls. Good answer... If it made any sense.
And then finish by saying that the others are just as easy to abuse, but it is ok because they make us happy.
So to sum up. Disagree is not an option not because it is easy to abuse. Because they are all easy to abuse. As you say. But disagree is not an option because it makes people sad.
Now you're just trying to twist my words. You know damn well what I mean and know what I say is true, you just don't accept it is all.
See i dont have to twist your words at all.
You said disagree is to easy to abuse so we cant have it.
Myself and the Op pointed out all the buttons are just as easy to abuse. So why is just disagree gone.
To which you responded... Trolls which still doesnt make sense, and the other buttons are positive so no one cares if they are abused.
That last part is the important part. You said disagree cant be a thing because it is to easy to abuse. Then say all the buttons are easy to abuse, but they are positive so no one cares. You disprove your own theory.
The only reason disagree isnt here, is not because it is easy to abuse. They all are. You said it. It isnt here because it upsets people when they get disagreed. It makes them angry or sad or lots of negative things.
I guess my next question would be, you said people dont care about the others being abused because they are positive. Why is me disagreeing with someone seen as negative?
Disagree is a NEGATIVE reaction by nature and easy for trolls to abuse. The forum has trolls, so it WILL get abused. According to a previous post in this thread, it WAS abused when around, and so was LOL which can be taken positively or negatively.
Agree, Insightful, and Awesome are all POSITIVE reactions by nature and not-so-easy to abuse. Anyone that tries gets moderated for it because they are essentially farming forum points. The majority of the forum community barely cares about forum point accumulation, so it is NOT abused, and proof is everywhere. Just because every once in a blue moon someone decides to give every post in a thread a reaction for kicks doesn't mean it's abused.
I cannot make it any clearer than this. If you STILL don't get it then tough cookies.
P.S. My responses here are in regards to the BUTTONS alone, not actual disagreement in posting.
Again you prove my point. They are treated different because of the reaction they get from people. Not because of how easy they are to abuse. Because it is just as easy to troll insightfuls as it is disagrees. People just dont care because it is positive. As a matter of fact the only people who seem to care about it are the mods themselves. The only difference in them is the reaction they invoke in people. So one had to be taken away.
I also disagree with your idea that disagree is a negative reaction by nature. We are taught that way. We are taught that it is important to be right. We arent taught to value people who have a different view point or might have different ideas then our own. So people get upset when someone disagress with them.
Let me ask you this: How many accounts have more Insightfuls than Agrees or Awesomes?
Now let me ask you this: How many accounts would have more Disagrees than Agrees, which people tend to have more of than Awesomes and Insightfuls, just because people would disagree with posts just for the sake of trolling in an attempt to make someone look stupid?
I rest my case.
And the only reason it matters is because that person thinks disagrees make them look stupid, and they get upset.
I rest my case!
Am i doin it right?
If reactions mean so little to you why are you trying to defend implementing the disagree button?
You can go ahead and quote the part where i said reactions dont matter to me. Reactions are part of what make people, people and are very interesting.
What i am saying and it is only a little different then what you are saying. is the disagree went away because it hurt peoples feelings. You are saying it went away because it was easy to abuse. Which to me is actually the reaction. It hurt peoples feelings, so chuckleheads used it to hurt peoples feelings.
If disagrees did not hurt peoples feelings it would still be here.
Hence the abuse.
On a side note I have over twice as many comments as I do Agrees and I don't mind that. Just means people don't agree with me as much, and I do not expect anything more or less because that is their right to exercise as they see fit. Disagrees, however... well, it is as you say.
It is odd to me. And it isnt like it doesnt annoy me sometimes too. But at the same time when you think about it you have to laugh. Some random person ill never met and dont care about disagreed with me and now im annoyed.
More like a dozen or so all clicking disagree just to overall discredit your posts for the hell of it.
But see that doesnt matter either. You say discredit your post, but really think about it.
You really want the opinion of someone who might come into a thread look and say, ohh 20 disagrees, this guy is a dope, let me read something else? No. Those guys are useless.
The people who would still respond and give good feed back still will. It might actually be a favor and keep some of the idiots away.
Except when EVERYONE has 20 disagrees on literally EVERY post they make in EVERY thread...
The trolling is real on these forums. They do not need more bait...
But that didnt actually happen. And ive never actually seen it happen even on forums that have a disagree system.
Doesn't mean it can't, or won't.
Good point better remove all the buttons. Soon all the post from everyone is going to have 20 insightfuls 20 agrees and 20 really? This is dumb.
What's dumb is how people want a button to lazily disagree with a post so they don't have to actually reply, thus being even less constructive than they already can be. Seriously, stop trying to pawn it off on the existing reactions that are actually working fine as is.
It is working fine. I dont disagree. But I could also argue that people need to stop trying to paint others as lazy or dumb just because they get upset or hurt when people disagree with them.0 -
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