is there no sets similar to viper for magic?
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^^ anything kinda like viper but got magic builds?
Edited by PURPLE245 on August 12, 2016 11:27AM
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DRXHarbinger✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Nope. There probably won't be it'd be op for Templars with thier 25% passive when spamming jabs to do x magic damage. They'd get 2 free attacks so it's probably why they don't have one.PC Master Race
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✭✭According to the biased people on here, it's because magicka was stronger for such a long time. Logic and other stuff, ya know.2013
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✭Probably the same reason stam don't get cleanseThis recent update has made me sad. Sad for the game. Sad for the community. Sad to pay whatever it is now. I want the previous eso back.0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭silky_soft wrote: »Probably the same reason stam don't get cleanse
Well this totally wasn't an extremely stupid post...
Stamina has access to Shuffle, the only ability in the game to provide immunity to snares/immobilizations. Not only that, but Templar is the only class with a true Cleanse, and both Magicka and Stamina Templar use it equally as effectively. You don't think through these things much, do you?
The bias in strong in this one.
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AverageJo3Gam3r✭✭✭✭✭I'm ok with different sets for magicka and stamina. After all, would you want a stamina vicious death?
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✭✭✭✭✭Unfortunately, there are no Magicka sets that function like Viper's Sting does. Hopefully in the future we will see this, but for now your closest bet is Valkyn Skoria/Nerien'eth.2 -
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✭✭✭✭✭silky_soft wrote: »Probably the same reason stam don't get cleanse
Well this totally wasn't an extremely stupid post...
Stamina has access to Shuffle, the only ability in the game to provide immunity to snares/immobilizations. Not only that, but Templar is the only class with a true Cleanse, and both Magicka and Stamina Templar use it equally as effectively. You don't think through these things much, do you?
The bias in strong in this one.
Mist Form also gives immunity to snares/immobilize.1 -
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✭AverageJo3Gam3r wrote: »I'm ok with different sets for magicka and stamina. After all, would you want a stamina vicious death?
you can't really compare a 4 second free 4-7k damage tick to a set that works only when you get the killing blow on a target, and is useful only if said target is close to other people...
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✭✭✭✭✭silky_soft wrote: »Probably the same reason stam don't get cleanse
Well this totally wasn't an extremely stupid post...
Stamina has access to Shuffle, the only ability in the game to provide immunity to snares/immobilizations. Not only that, but Templar is the only class with a true Cleanse, and both Magicka and Stamina Templar use it equally as effectively. You don't think through these things much, do you?
The bias in strong in this one.
Mist Form also gives immunity to snares/immobilize.
Mist Form also requires you to be a Vampire, cut off all Magicka Recovery and Healing, and still not get you very far. There is no sprinting while Mist Form is cast and the Magicka cost is high, all the while simultaneously getting heavily snared by gap closers.
If it was such a good skill, every Magicka class would roll a Vampire to gain access to Mist Form, which you consider to be equal to a sort of Magicka Shuffle. It's not even remotely close.
Please people. Let's have balance!3 -
ScruffyWhiskers✭✭✭✭✭If they bring back Stygian in some form it would sort of be the equivalent to Viper for magicka melee nb. Destro heavy attack open from stealth/invis would benefit too.
And Yeah mistform is ok. You can use it to get to LOS cover or getting through oil and caltrops breaches. It's so situational though that I often think I would just be better running purge or harness in the slot instead.Edited by ScruffyWhiskers on August 12, 2016 1:33PM0 -
Junipus✭✭✭✭✭I believe in theory that Stygian is available in all pieces and weapons with the latest update, even though it wouldn't be anywhere near as good as existing magicka dps setsThe Legendary Nothing0 -
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✭✭If just looking at the 5 piece bonus, ice furnace is basicly viper for staff users. But unfortunatelly the devs seem to have missed that staves don't scale of weapon damage anymore^^1 -
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✭✭✭✭✭silky_soft wrote: »Probably the same reason stam don't get cleanse
Well this totally wasn't an extremely stupid post...
Stamina has access to Shuffle, the only ability in the game to provide immunity to snares/immobilizations. Not only that, but Templar is the only class with a true Cleanse, and both Magicka and Stamina Templar use it equally as effectively. You don't think through these things much, do you?
The bias in strong in this one.
Mist Form also gives immunity to snares/immobilize.
Mist Form also requires you to be a Vampire, cut off all Magicka Recovery and Healing, and still not get you very far. There is no sprinting while Mist Form is cast and the Magicka cost is high, all the while simultaneously getting heavily snared by gap closers.
If it was such a good skill, every Magicka class would roll a Vampire to gain access to Mist Form, which you consider to be equal to a sort of Magicka Shuffle. It's not even remotely close.
Please people. Let's have balance!
Mist Form reduces damage taken by 75% which is huge. And also Shuffle cant protect you from Gap-Closer snare. Literally nothing can without crashing the game engine.0 -
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✭✭silky_soft wrote: »Probably the same reason stam don't get cleanse
Well this totally wasn't an extremely stupid post...
Stamina has access to Shuffle, the only ability in the game to provide immunity to snares/immobilizations. Not only that, but Templar is the only class with a true Cleanse, and both Magicka and Stamina Templar use it equally as effectively. You don't think through these things much, do you?
The bias in strong in this one.
Mist Form also gives immunity to snares/immobilize.
Mist Form also requires you to be a Vampire, cut off all Magicka Recovery and Healing, and still not get you very far. There is no sprinting while Mist Form is cast and the Magicka cost is high, all the while simultaneously getting heavily snared by gap closers.
If it was such a good skill, every Magicka class would roll a Vampire to gain access to Mist Form, which you consider to be equal to a sort of Magicka Shuffle. It's not even remotely close.
Please people. Let's have balance!
Mist Form reduces damage taken by 75% which is huge. And also Shuffle cant protect you from Gap-Closer snare. Literally nothing can without crashing the game engine.
Lol, wither you have not played as vampire or i.
How many people are using mist form? And is it fast enough like bolt escape or good like cloak?
Its pretty much useless and instead get u killed easily.
Shuffle is far better and even now magicka players are using.Edited by Lord_Eomer on August 12, 2016 3:37PM0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭^^ anything kinda like viper but got magic builds?
What is it with VO you want in a magika set? Without being clear about that it's hard to have a decent convo.
Spell damage and crit you can use IA. Return on magika when killing something, I think that's still a Dstaff passive.
Additionally with IA one can debuff the target so it takes more damage which isn't available with VO0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭silky_soft wrote: »Probably the same reason stam don't get cleanse
Well this totally wasn't an extremely stupid post...
Stamina has access to Shuffle, the only ability in the game to provide immunity to snares/immobilizations. Not only that, but Templar is the only class with a true Cleanse, and both Magicka and Stamina Templar use it equally as effectively. You don't think through these things much, do you?
The bias in strong in this one.
Mist Form also gives immunity to snares/immobilize.
Mist Form also requires you to be a Vampire, cut off all Magicka Recovery and Healing, and still not get you very far. There is no sprinting while Mist Form is cast and the Magicka cost is high, all the while simultaneously getting heavily snared by gap closers.
If it was such a good skill, every Magicka class would roll a Vampire to gain access to Mist Form, which you consider to be equal to a sort of Magicka Shuffle. It's not even remotely close.
Please people. Let's have balance!
Mist Form reduces damage taken by 75% which is huge. And also Shuffle cant protect you from Gap-Closer snare. Literally nothing can without crashing the game engine.
Let's not start this discussion. You obviously don't know how useless Mist Form is (with the exception of use on a properly built Magicka DK).
That 75% damage reduction is not nearly as much as you think when you gain no resources/health when it is cast, while needing to heal in between casts. It burns your resources like crazy is dangerous situations and you still move slowly.
With Shuffle, you gain immunity while still being able to sprint at full speed. You can also cast other skills, regain resources, fight back, and passively dodge 20% of attacks coming your way (realistically far more and it significantly weaken all DoTs placed on you).3 -
SJD_Phoenix✭✭✭AverageJo3Gam3r wrote: »I'm ok with different sets for magicka and stamina. After all, would you want a stamina vicious death?
We have.
It's called reverse slice.3 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Giles.floydub17_ESO wrote: »^^ anything kinda like viper but got magic builds?
What is it with VO you want in a magika set? Without being clear about that it's hard to have a decent convo.
Spell damage and crit you can use IA. Return on magika when killing something, I think that's still a Dstaff passive.
Additionally with IA one can debuff the target so it takes more damage which isn't available with VO
I think the OP is talking about Viper's Sting, not Vicious Ophidian/Serpent. Viper's Sting 5-piece bonus: "(5 items) Your Melee Attacks deal 8311 Poison damage. This effect can occur once every 4 seconds."The Moot Councillor0 -
PURPLE245✭✭✭Giles.floydub17_ESO wrote: »^^ anything kinda like viper but got magic builds?
What is it with VO you want in a magika set? Without being clear about that it's hard to have a decent convo.
Spell damage and crit you can use IA. Return on magika when killing something, I think that's still a Dstaff passive.
Additionally with IA one can debuff the target so it takes more damage which isn't available with VO
I think the OP is talking about Viper's Sting, not Vicious Ophidian/Serpent. Viper's Sting 5-piece bonus: "(5 items) Your Melee Attacks deal 8311 Poison damage. This effect can occur once every 4 seconds."
yeah i was talking about viper sting
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✭✭silky_soft wrote: »Probably the same reason stam don't get cleanse
Well this totally wasn't an extremely stupid post...
Stamina has access to Shuffle, the only ability in the game to provide immunity to snares/immobilizations. Not only that, but Templar is the only class with a true Cleanse, and both Magicka and Stamina Templar use it equally as effectively. You don't think through these things much, do you?
The bias in strong in this one.
Mist Form also gives immunity to snares/immobilize.
That's a crappy substitute though. It's a channel which pauses combat and resets the fight, and block or weapon swap cancelling out if it is clunky and locks you in animations.0 -
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✭Every new and interesting set since Orsinium dropped and we got Julianos has all been in Medium. Light and Heavy sets for Magplars? Nothing new under the sun. It's still all about Julianos, Kagrenac's Hope, and Gift of Magnus. It shows that either the Devs don't care, or are purposefully ignoring the non-Nightblade Magicka classes.1 -
PURPLE245✭✭✭silky_soft wrote: »Probably the same reason stam don't get cleanse
Well this totally wasn't an extremely stupid post...
Stamina has access to Shuffle, the only ability in the game to provide immunity to snares/immobilizations. Not only that, but Templar is the only class with a true Cleanse, and both Magicka and Stamina Templar use it equally as effectively. You don't think through these things much, do you?
The bias in strong in this one.
Mist Form also gives immunity to snares/immobilize.
That's a crappy substitute though. It's a channel which pauses combat and resets the fight, and block or weapon swap cancelling out if it is clunky and locks you in animations.
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✭✭Magicka have for sure less sets variety than stamina, Amberplasm new set with Shadow od Hist DLC looks promising.
I am still using Juliano as currenrly no alternative since Orisnium. Before Orisnium there was no good magicka set instead stmaina had hundig rage..
Even wih this new dlc stamina got new range of excellent sets.
Seems like Developers are baised towards stamina atleast this year till now.Edited by Lord_Eomer on August 13, 2016 11:41AM0 -
Lord_Dexter wrote: »silky_soft wrote: »Probably the same reason stam don't get cleanse
Well this totally wasn't an extremely stupid post...
Stamina has access to Shuffle, the only ability in the game to provide immunity to snares/immobilizations. Not only that, but Templar is the only class with a true Cleanse, and both Magicka and Stamina Templar use it equally as effectively. You don't think through these things much, do you?
The bias in strong in this one.
Mist Form also gives immunity to snares/immobilize.
Mist Form also requires you to be a Vampire, cut off all Magicka Recovery and Healing, and still not get you very far. There is no sprinting while Mist Form is cast and the Magicka cost is high, all the while simultaneously getting heavily snared by gap closers.
If it was such a good skill, every Magicka class would roll a Vampire to gain access to Mist Form, which you consider to be equal to a sort of Magicka Shuffle. It's not even remotely close.
Please people. Let's have balance!
Mist Form reduces damage taken by 75% which is huge. And also Shuffle cant protect you from Gap-Closer snare. Literally nothing can without crashing the game engine.
Lol, wither you have not played as vampire or i.
How many people are using mist form? And is it fast enough like bolt escape or good like cloak?
Its pretty much useless and instead get u killed easily.
Shuffle is far better and even now magicka players are using.
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