Werewolf Regen Passive - compared to Vampire regen passive

Upularity · August 2016

Hello everybody, I am writing a post about the WW regen passive compared to Vampire -->

A few patches ago the lock was opened for vampires letting them get the extra regen without actually having to slot an ability of vampirism such as people had to slot Bat Swarm to obtain the extra 10% stamina and magicka recovery

I think the same for werewolf the ban should be lifted a WW user shouldn't have to slot the actual ultimate to get the WW 15% regen when compared to vampires it's unfair they get this regen without having to slot a skill and werewolves have to slot it --See the imbalance here?

#LETSSEEREGENWITHOUTSLOTTED

It would make it much easier if I had that extra regen for when I am role-play sprinting

Thanks for reading.

Infrapuna · August 2016

Since Vampires actually need to be stage 2 vampires to gain the regene, maybe they should add the poison dmg etc to WW even when you are not in WW form but in exchange you gain the 15% stam regene bonus from WW?

Upularity · August 2016

Infrapuna wrote: »

Since Vampires actually need to be stage 2 vampires to gain the regene, maybe they should add the poison dmg etc to WW even when you are not in WW form but in exchange you gain the 15% stam regene bonus from WW?

This in a nutshell, thank you

raasdal · August 2016

If you want regen without slotting skill, you will instead need to take the downside (posion damage and figthers guild damage) all the time - just like Vampires do.

Qbiken · August 2016

raasdal wrote: »

If you want regen without slotting skill, you will instead need to take the downside (posion damage and figthers guild damage) all the time - just like Vampires do.

Would´t have any issues with this to be honest. There´re shall be cons/pros with going vamp/ww. Bring back the old passive stamregen for WW

starkerealm · August 2016

Used to be Werewolves got their +15% stam regen at all times, regardless of if the ultimate was slotted or not. Do you know what happened? Everyone went wolf. There was literally no reason not to be a Werewolf, and you were flat out statistically disadvantaged for not being one.

Used to be, vampires got their +10% regen stats at all times. But, it would come with disadvantages like being dipped in kerosene, and being more appealing to fighters guild abilities. Also getting knocked down from silver bolts. They changed the passive to requiring you to slot an ability, same time they applied that restriction to werewolf... and honestly, probably shouldn't have. But it was pretty funny seeing people complaining about having to slot one of the best ultimates in the game.

So, now, Vampires have been overhauled. If you're in Stage 1, you're effectively human again, and the regen shuts off. Degenerate into stage 2, and you're more vulnerable to fire, but your stamina and magicka regenerate 10% faster. It's a tradeoff.

Werewolves, on the other hand... if you unslot their transform, they're just another normal character. No disadvantages, nothing that sets them apart from a normal adventurer (except for the whole soul shriven and able to return from the dead at will thing, anyway.)

If you gave them their stamina regen passively again, there would... again, be literally no reason to play a non-wolf, unless you were a vampire. Even if you're on a magicka build, the extra stamina regen would be free gravy.

waterfairy · August 2016

OP they changed the need to slot it a few updates back which we weren't too happy with but it's better then the alternative of always being weak to poison when you're not in WW form...especially since they added poisons to the game.

raasdal wrote: »

If you want regen without slotting skill, you will instead need to take the downside (posion damage and figthers guild damage) all the time - just like Vampires do.

No thanks, I prefer the slot method.

DocFrost72 · August 2016

As others have said, there needs to be some balance if you get passive regen. Something I would like to see IF passive poison damage is going to be included, is an opt out like vampires have.

Some people will go vampire for RP reasons, and that is fine because they have a 6 hour window of being human with pale skin (if you're in RP, stage one vamps look human, depending on bloodline). If wolves had to deal with constant poison damage, that would kinda interfere with, for example, my stamplar who doesn't need the regen nor the ultimate, but keeps the wolf for RP.

Maybe introduce a "turning" system to wolves, if you like the idea of passive regen. As long as you shift once per 6 hours, your beast blood calms and when you shift back to human form you gain a 6 hour timer negating the poison weakness.

Just spitballing.

starkerealm · August 2016

Honestly, it would be kinda neat if the werewolf active abilities had passive effects for being slotted, which applied if you were transformed or not. (You can slot them to your normal bar, you can't use them, but they will gain XP and gradually level.)

Anti_Virus · August 2016

raasdal wrote: »

If you want regen without slotting skill, you will instead need to take the downside (posion damage and figthers guild damage) all the time - just like Vampires do.

Im pretty sure if you keep your self at stage 1 (which lasts 6 hours) you can avoid the extra fire dmg, don't know about FG dmg though.

dylanjaygrobbelaarb16_ESO · August 2016

Upularity wrote: »

Hello everybody, I am writing a post about the WW regen passive compared to Vampire -->

A few patches ago the lock was opened for vampires letting them get the extra regen without actually having to slot an ability of vampirism such as people had to slot Bat Swarm to obtain the extra 10% stamina and magicka recovery

I think the same for werewolf the ban should be lifted a WW user shouldn't have to slot the actual ultimate to get the WW 15% regen when compared to vampires it's unfair they get this regen without having to slot a skill and werewolves have to slot it --See the imbalance here?

#LETSSEEREGENWITHOUTSLOTTED

It would make it much easier if I had that extra regen for when I am role-play sprinting

Thanks for reading.

sure, and also be able to do extra poison damage when not in ww form just like vamp and fire. lets get it done

LiquidSchwartz · August 2016

It is fair the way i currently is because there are no negatives for having ww on your bar aside from not having a different ultimate
where vampire have side effects for being vampires and need to be stage 2+ making them even more vulnerable

starkerealm · August 2016

dylanjaygrobbelaarb16_ESO wrote: »

Upularity wrote: »

Hello everybody, I am writing a post about the WW regen passive compared to Vampire -->

A few patches ago the lock was opened for vampires letting them get the extra regen without actually having to slot an ability of vampirism such as people had to slot Bat Swarm to obtain the extra 10% stamina and magicka recovery

I think the same for werewolf the ban should be lifted a WW user shouldn't have to slot the actual ultimate to get the WW 15% regen when compared to vampires it's unfair they get this regen without having to slot a skill and werewolves have to slot it --See the imbalance here?

#LETSSEEREGENWITHOUTSLOTTED

It would make it much easier if I had that extra regen for when I am role-play sprinting

Thanks for reading.

sure, and also be able to do extra poison damage when not in ww form just like vamp and fire. lets get it done

Yeah... about that. Turns out, Stage 1 vampires have no fire vulnerability.

Chrlynsch · August 2016

As is works fine, the only thing similar between Vamp and werewolf is how you obtain the skill line, after that they are different, and should be treated differently.

starkerealm · August 2016

Prothwata wrote: »

As is works fine, the only thing similar between Vamp and werewolf is how you obtain the skill line, after that they are different, and should be treated differently.

Though, to be fair, there's no reason Vampires shouldn't get a few more active abilities on the menu to pick from...

Oakmontowls_ESO · August 2016

starkerealm wrote: »

dylanjaygrobbelaarb16_ESO wrote: »

Upularity wrote: »

Hello everybody, I am writing a post about the WW regen passive compared to Vampire -->

A few patches ago the lock was opened for vampires letting them get the extra regen without actually having to slot an ability of vampirism such as people had to slot Bat Swarm to obtain the extra 10% stamina and magicka recovery

I think the same for werewolf the ban should be lifted a WW user shouldn't have to slot the actual ultimate to get the WW 15% regen when compared to vampires it's unfair they get this regen without having to slot a skill and werewolves have to slot it --See the imbalance here?

#LETSSEEREGENWITHOUTSLOTTED

It would make it much easier if I had that extra regen for when I am role-play sprinting

Thanks for reading.

sure, and also be able to do extra poison damage when not in ww form just like vamp and fire. lets get it done

Yeah... about that. Turns out, Stage 1 vampires have no fire vulnerability.

yes they have no vulnerability to fire in stage one but they also get no advantages so in order for a vampire to get any extra regen they also have to have the weakness to fire, werewolves on the other hand have to give up their ultimate slot in order to get their regen but still have no extra weaknesses. I think that this is a fair trade off atm if not weighed slightly in the favor of werewolves since unlike vampires they also take no extra damage to fighters guild skills when not transformed whereas vampires still take extra damage even in stage one.

starkerealm · August 2016

Oakmontowls_ESO wrote: »

starkerealm wrote: »

dylanjaygrobbelaarb16_ESO wrote: »

Upularity wrote: »

Hello everybody, I am writing a post about the WW regen passive compared to Vampire -->

A few patches ago the lock was opened for vampires letting them get the extra regen without actually having to slot an ability of vampirism such as people had to slot Bat Swarm to obtain the extra 10% stamina and magicka recovery

I think the same for werewolf the ban should be lifted a WW user shouldn't have to slot the actual ultimate to get the WW 15% regen when compared to vampires it's unfair they get this regen without having to slot a skill and werewolves have to slot it --See the imbalance here?

#LETSSEEREGENWITHOUTSLOTTED

It would make it much easier if I had that extra regen for when I am role-play sprinting

Thanks for reading.

sure, and also be able to do extra poison damage when not in ww form just like vamp and fire. lets get it done

Yeah... about that. Turns out, Stage 1 vampires have no fire vulnerability.

yes they have no vulnerability to fire in stage one but they also get no advantages so in order for a vampire to get any extra regen they also have to have the weakness to fire, werewolves on the other hand have to give up their ultimate slot in order to get their regen but still have no extra weaknesses. I think that this is a fair trade off atm if not weighed slightly in the favor of werewolves since unlike vampires they also take no extra damage to fighters guild skills when not transformed whereas vampires still take extra damage even in stage one.

I'd be inclined to say, giving up your ultimate slot is a pretty severe penalty.

Lumenn · August 2016

Yup. Giving up one of your precious few slots I can understand (it's the penalty ww have, along with limited times you can actually use wolf form abilities vs vamp, penalties are always on when regen is, but you can use mist, drain, etc w/o burning your ult) just wish it was a skill instead of an ult. I'd be open to having the regen AND poison weakness if we could use it/abilities at will like vamps do.

leepalmer95 · August 2016

Would be cool if you slot ww on 1 bar you get the regen on both bars, with the ww passives that are lower when in human form. So like maybe 5% wpn dmg or something instead of the 18%...

Of course than it would be ok for the poison damage to apply to human form.

But there is a lot more poison than fire in the game now.

Lumenn · August 2016

Perhaps regen is always active, with a reduced poison vulnerability while in "human" form. When you change, poison vulnerability goes up(along with weapon dmg/skills etc) or, keep things as is, but change ww form from an ult to a regular skill with a cool down(like potions). I dunno, just tossing out ideas here.