What mysterious messages are Sorcerer abilities hiding ?

Dracane · August 2016

Greetings,

today I want to ask and answer a question, that was never asked before. Some Sorcerer abilities show daedric glyphs. Such as daedric mines, daedric curse and the chains of the Atronach. I was wondering, what words are on these abilities ? What words does a Sorcerer have to speak in mind, to conjure this magic.

Let's start with the most famous example.
Daedric Mines:

The upper line reads: Alter
The right line reads: Conjure
The left line reads: Shock

Alter Conjure Shock. It can be read in any possible way.
But I don't understand, why these mines contain "shock" conjuration and alteration makes sense though.
Since the magic school of conjuration, daedric summoning to be exact, contains 2 smaller school.
Daedric summoning, which is the ability to call temporary daedric copies from Oblivion (Sorcerer pets for example)
And daedric conjuration, which is the ability to call real Daedra to the Mundus

Daedric curse shows the same glyphs as mines, but the Atronach inherits a very interesting message.

BOUND IN SERVITUDE
I was about to cry honestly. Deep down, I always knew it, the Atronach is a prisoner.
Probably captive in Oblivion and only able to escape his cold prison for a short time, when a Sorcerer has the energy to summon him.
Bound to fight over and over.

When I first tried to translate it, I thought it reads "Bound in Solitude" You can imagine how hard I wanted to cry

When you have daedric books in front of you for hours, all glyphs begin to look the same

believe me.

And now my dear Novices, use your new knowledge wisely.

OutLaw_Nynx · August 2016

Interesting

Thelon · August 2016

decent

kylewwefan · August 2016

The Slave Must Obey....

dodgehopper_ESO · August 2016

I've been saying all along the mages guild is creepy and hardly a 'heroic' guild.

Dracane · August 2016

dodgehopper_ESO wrote: »

I've been saying all along the mages guild is creepy and hardly a 'heroic' guild.

The mage's guild probably doesn't want to be heroic anyway

I wish we could translate Templar abilities. But Aedric signs aren't known to us.

catalyst10e · August 2016

Has no one read "I was summoned by a mortal" ?(link for reference: http://elderscrolls.wikia.com/wiki/I_was_Summoned_by_a_Mortal ) Where else would the summoned creatures come from? Where did the idea of "temporary daedric copies" come from tho? The summon twilight ability will mention calling on azura to send you a twilight, but nothing i can find mentions making a copy of creatures. All in all tho, nice work tracking down and translating.

THEDKEXPERIENCE · August 2016

"Hey ladies. How about I buy you a drink? No? What if I were to tell you I speak fluent deadric?"

Dracane · August 2016

catalyst10e wrote: »

Has no one read "I was summoned by a mortal" ?(link for reference: http://elderscrolls.wikia.com/wiki/I_was_Summoned_by_a_Mortal ) Where else would the summoned creatures come from? Where did the idea of "temporary daedric copies" come from tho? The summon twilight ability will mention calling on azura to send you a twilight, but nothing i can find mentions making a copy of creatures. All in all tho, nice work tracking down and translating.

Yes, they are copies. You sacrifise some of your magicka, to summon a copy of a real Daedra.
This copy is unstable and only made of magicka. You can tell, because there is No Corpse, the Magicka just vanishes after the creature is dead.

An example for daedric conjuration in ESO would be Lady Malygda in the Imperial City. She conjures a bunch of real Spiderlings. Of course she is a higher Daedra, and conjuring so many at the same time is no problem for her. Daedric conjuring usually leaves red spheres, summoning blue/purple spheres.

A conjured creature, will leave a body because it is a real daedra, not just a copy.

danielpatrickkeaneub17_ESO wrote: »

"Hey ladies. How about I buy you a drink? No? What if I were to tell you I speak fluent deadric?"

Oh yes please *-* Some Summerset Ale please.

Totalitarian · August 2016

catalyst10e wrote: »

Has no one read "I was summoned by a mortal" ?(link for reference: http://elderscrolls.wikia.com/wiki/I_was_Summoned_by_a_Mortal )

That book always makes me laugh on the inside.

It's a good one.

catalyst10e · August 2016

Dracane wrote: »

catalyst10e wrote: »

Has no one read "I was summoned by a mortal" ?(link for reference: http://elderscrolls.wikia.com/wiki/I_was_Summoned_by_a_Mortal ) Where else would the summoned creatures come from? Where did the idea of "temporary daedric copies" come from tho? The summon twilight ability will mention calling on azura to send you a twilight, but nothing i can find mentions making a copy of creatures. All in all tho, nice work tracking down and translating.

Yes, they are copies. You sacrifise some of your magicka, to summon a copy of a real Daedra.
This copy is unstable and only made of magicka. You can tell, because there is No Corpse, the Magicka just vanishes after the creature is dead.

An example for daedric conjuration in ESO would be Lady Malygda in the Imperial City. She conjures a bunch of real Spiderlings. Of course she is a higher Daedra, and conjuring so many at the same time is no problem for her. Daedric conjuring usually leaves red spheres, summoning blue/purple spheres.

A conjured creature, will leave a body because it is a real daedra, not just a copy.

danielpatrickkeaneub17_ESO wrote: »

"Hey ladies. How about I buy you a drink? No? What if I were to tell you I speak fluent deadric?"

Oh yes please *-* Some Summerset Ale please.

Daedra are not like humans they do not leave behind their body upon death they go back to oblivion. To quote the page on Daedra "Although they can be defeated, they are considered immortal, as their soul or animus is sent back to Oblivion in the event that their body is destroyed. When a Daedra's physical form is destroyed, weapons and other items may be taken, but not their armor, as it is bound to Oblivion. After being killed, a Daedra's soul will wander Oblivion and eventually re-constitute its original form; this tortuous period can last centuries."

Furthermore, as I mentioned before the Tooltip actually says "Call on Azura to send a winged twilight to fight at your side." It specifically mentions azura sending you a winged twilight, and makes no mention of you creating one out of magic.
The tooltip on the familiar states: "Command the powers of Oblivion to send a Daedric familiar to fight at your side." This makes mention of you calling on oblivion to send a familiar, and again makes no mention of a copy.

The argument could be easily made that what happens to the "corpse" is it's sent back to oblivion as well since it was only kept around using magic. Once the creature is dead the spell breaks, which would be the only anchor for them since it's what brought them there to begin with.

Dracane · August 2016

catalyst10e wrote: »

Dracane wrote: »

catalyst10e wrote: »

Has no one read "I was summoned by a mortal" ?(link for reference: http://elderscrolls.wikia.com/wiki/I_was_Summoned_by_a_Mortal ) Where else would the summoned creatures come from? Where did the idea of "temporary daedric copies" come from tho? The summon twilight ability will mention calling on azura to send you a twilight, but nothing i can find mentions making a copy of creatures. All in all tho, nice work tracking down and translating.

Yes, they are copies. You sacrifise some of your magicka, to summon a copy of a real Daedra.
This copy is unstable and only made of magicka. You can tell, because there is No Corpse, the Magicka just vanishes after the creature is dead.

An example for daedric conjuration in ESO would be Lady Malygda in the Imperial City. She conjures a bunch of real Spiderlings. Of course she is a higher Daedra, and conjuring so many at the same time is no problem for her. Daedric conjuring usually leaves red spheres, summoning blue/purple spheres.

A conjured creature, will leave a body because it is a real daedra, not just a copy.

danielpatrickkeaneub17_ESO wrote: »

"Hey ladies. How about I buy you a drink? No? What if I were to tell you I speak fluent deadric?"

Oh yes please *-* Some Summerset Ale please.

Daedra are not like humans they do not leave behind their body upon death they go back to oblivion. To quote the page on Daedra "Although they can be defeated, they are considered immortal, as their soul or animus is sent back to Oblivion in the event that their body is destroyed. When a Daedra's physical form is destroyed, weapons and other items may be taken, but not their armor, as it is bound to Oblivion. After being killed, a Daedra's soul will wander Oblivion and eventually re-constitute its original form; this tortuous period can last centuries."

Furthermore, as I mentioned before the Tooltip actually says "Call on Azura to send a winged twilight to fight at your side." It specifically mentions azura sending you a winged twilight, and makes no mention of you creating one out of magic.
The tooltip on the familiar states: "Command the powers of Oblivion to send a Daedric familiar to fight at your side." This makes mention of you calling on oblivion to send a familiar, and again makes no mention of a copy.

The argument could be easily made that what happens to the "corpse" is it's sent back to oblivion as well since it was only kept around using magic. Once the creature is dead the spell breaks, which would be the only anchor for them since it's what brought them there to begin with.

I'm sorry.... I can't help you then.
It's more than obvious, that Sorcerer summons are merely magical husks. They are made of pure magicka and that you can also see when they die.

It's undeniable, that there is daedric summoning and daedric conjuring.
One makes you summon magical copies that vanish upon death and the other makes you conjure real Daedra and their body is physical and will stay upon death.

This is a fact and you can quote as much as you want, it won't change this fact. Sorry

magnusthorek · August 2016

IMHO when you conjure things and creatures you are, in fact, firstly counjuring a "binding portal" through planes and then just spiritually commanding the creature (or thing) to work for you.

When you run out of magicka to keep this "portal" opened or it collapses by itself (ability duration) the bound is undone and the rest is daedric physics (forms reverting to chaotuc creatia and so on).

catalyst10e · August 2016

Dracane wrote: »

catalyst10e wrote: »

Dracane wrote: »

catalyst10e wrote: »

Has no one read "I was summoned by a mortal" ?(link for reference: http://elderscrolls.wikia.com/wiki/I_was_Summoned_by_a_Mortal ) Where else would the summoned creatures come from? Where did the idea of "temporary daedric copies" come from tho? The summon twilight ability will mention calling on azura to send you a twilight, but nothing i can find mentions making a copy of creatures. All in all tho, nice work tracking down and translating.

Yes, they are copies. You sacrifise some of your magicka, to summon a copy of a real Daedra.
This copy is unstable and only made of magicka. You can tell, because there is No Corpse, the Magicka just vanishes after the creature is dead.

An example for daedric conjuration in ESO would be Lady Malygda in the Imperial City. She conjures a bunch of real Spiderlings. Of course she is a higher Daedra, and conjuring so many at the same time is no problem for her. Daedric conjuring usually leaves red spheres, summoning blue/purple spheres.

A conjured creature, will leave a body because it is a real daedra, not just a copy.

danielpatrickkeaneub17_ESO wrote: »

"Hey ladies. How about I buy you a drink? No? What if I were to tell you I speak fluent deadric?"

Oh yes please *-* Some Summerset Ale please.

Daedra are not like humans they do not leave behind their body upon death they go back to oblivion. To quote the page on Daedra "Although they can be defeated, they are considered immortal, as their soul or animus is sent back to Oblivion in the event that their body is destroyed. When a Daedra's physical form is destroyed, weapons and other items may be taken, but not their armor, as it is bound to Oblivion. After being killed, a Daedra's soul will wander Oblivion and eventually re-constitute its original form; this tortuous period can last centuries."

Furthermore, as I mentioned before the Tooltip actually says "Call on Azura to send a winged twilight to fight at your side." It specifically mentions azura sending you a winged twilight, and makes no mention of you creating one out of magic.
The tooltip on the familiar states: "Command the powers of Oblivion to send a Daedric familiar to fight at your side." This makes mention of you calling on oblivion to send a familiar, and again makes no mention of a copy.

The argument could be easily made that what happens to the "corpse" is it's sent back to oblivion as well since it was only kept around using magic. Once the creature is dead the spell breaks, which would be the only anchor for them since it's what brought them there to begin with.

I'm sorry.... I can't help you then.
It's more than obvious, that Sorcerer summons are merely magical husks. They are made of pure magicka and that you can also see when they die.

It's undeniable, that there is daedric summoning and daedric conjuring.
One makes you summon magical copies that vanish upon death and the other makes you conjure real Daedra and their body is physical and will stay upon death.

This is a fact and you can quote as much as you want, it won't change this fact. Sorry

I don't understand how you can be this dense. It says it in the tool tip. You can't get any more accurate then the description of the spell. THAT is undeniable. How can you claim something without any proof? And if you read he actual text I linked before "I was summoned by a mortal" it even describes a Dremora on guard duty who gets pulled into the realm when someone uses a conjuration spell. It's literally all right there in plain view in the game. What are you basing your info off of? a feeling you have?

Dracane · August 2016

catalyst10e wrote: »

Dracane wrote: »

catalyst10e wrote: »

Dracane wrote: »

catalyst10e wrote: »

Has no one read "I was summoned by a mortal" ?(link for reference: http://elderscrolls.wikia.com/wiki/I_was_Summoned_by_a_Mortal ) Where else would the summoned creatures come from? Where did the idea of "temporary daedric copies" come from tho? The summon twilight ability will mention calling on azura to send you a twilight, but nothing i can find mentions making a copy of creatures. All in all tho, nice work tracking down and translating.

Yes, they are copies. You sacrifise some of your magicka, to summon a copy of a real Daedra.
This copy is unstable and only made of magicka. You can tell, because there is No Corpse, the Magicka just vanishes after the creature is dead.

An example for daedric conjuration in ESO would be Lady Malygda in the Imperial City. She conjures a bunch of real Spiderlings. Of course she is a higher Daedra, and conjuring so many at the same time is no problem for her. Daedric conjuring usually leaves red spheres, summoning blue/purple spheres.

A conjured creature, will leave a body because it is a real daedra, not just a copy.

danielpatrickkeaneub17_ESO wrote: »

"Hey ladies. How about I buy you a drink? No? What if I were to tell you I speak fluent deadric?"

Oh yes please *-* Some Summerset Ale please.

Daedra are not like humans they do not leave behind their body upon death they go back to oblivion. To quote the page on Daedra "Although they can be defeated, they are considered immortal, as their soul or animus is sent back to Oblivion in the event that their body is destroyed. When a Daedra's physical form is destroyed, weapons and other items may be taken, but not their armor, as it is bound to Oblivion. After being killed, a Daedra's soul will wander Oblivion and eventually re-constitute its original form; this tortuous period can last centuries."

Furthermore, as I mentioned before the Tooltip actually says "Call on Azura to send a winged twilight to fight at your side." It specifically mentions azura sending you a winged twilight, and makes no mention of you creating one out of magic.
The tooltip on the familiar states: "Command the powers of Oblivion to send a Daedric familiar to fight at your side." This makes mention of you calling on oblivion to send a familiar, and again makes no mention of a copy.

The argument could be easily made that what happens to the "corpse" is it's sent back to oblivion as well since it was only kept around using magic. Once the creature is dead the spell breaks, which would be the only anchor for them since it's what brought them there to begin with.

I'm sorry.... I can't help you then.
It's more than obvious, that Sorcerer summons are merely magical husks. They are made of pure magicka and that you can also see when they die.

It's undeniable, that there is daedric summoning and daedric conjuring.
One makes you summon magical copies that vanish upon death and the other makes you conjure real Daedra and their body is physical and will stay upon death.

This is a fact and you can quote as much as you want, it won't change this fact. Sorry

I don't understand how you can be this dense. It says it in the tool tip. You can't get any more accurate then the description of the spell. THAT is undeniable. How can you claim something without any proof? And if you read he actual text I linked before "I was summoned by a mortal" it even describes a Dremora on guard duty who gets pulled into the realm when someone uses a conjuration spell. It's literally all right there in plain view in the game. What are you basing your info off of? a feeling you have?

You only need your eyes and some understanding.
Then you will be able to see the difference between these 2 things.

I just don't know, what else I can tell you.

teladoy · August 2016

Great and interesting research!

Gj!

incite · August 2016

So this is what you were talkin about yesterday :-) interesting

Dracane · August 2016

incite wrote: »

So this is what you were talkin about yesterday :-) interesting

Yes

Now you understand it.

Aedaryl · August 2016

Thanks for information !

notimetocare · August 2016

Dracane wrote: »

catalyst10e wrote: »

Dracane wrote: »

catalyst10e wrote: »

Dracane wrote: »

catalyst10e wrote: »

Has no one read "I was summoned by a mortal" ?(link for reference: http://elderscrolls.wikia.com/wiki/I_was_Summoned_by_a_Mortal ) Where else would the summoned creatures come from? Where did the idea of "temporary daedric copies" come from tho? The summon twilight ability will mention calling on azura to send you a twilight, but nothing i can find mentions making a copy of creatures. All in all tho, nice work tracking down and translating.

Yes, they are copies. You sacrifise some of your magicka, to summon a copy of a real Daedra.
This copy is unstable and only made of magicka. You can tell, because there is No Corpse, the Magicka just vanishes after the creature is dead.

An example for daedric conjuration in ESO would be Lady Malygda in the Imperial City. She conjures a bunch of real Spiderlings. Of course she is a higher Daedra, and conjuring so many at the same time is no problem for her. Daedric conjuring usually leaves red spheres, summoning blue/purple spheres.

A conjured creature, will leave a body because it is a real daedra, not just a copy.

danielpatrickkeaneub17_ESO wrote: »

"Hey ladies. How about I buy you a drink? No? What if I were to tell you I speak fluent deadric?"

Oh yes please *-* Some Summerset Ale please.

Daedra are not like humans they do not leave behind their body upon death they go back to oblivion. To quote the page on Daedra "Although they can be defeated, they are considered immortal, as their soul or animus is sent back to Oblivion in the event that their body is destroyed. When a Daedra's physical form is destroyed, weapons and other items may be taken, but not their armor, as it is bound to Oblivion. After being killed, a Daedra's soul will wander Oblivion and eventually re-constitute its original form; this tortuous period can last centuries."

Furthermore, as I mentioned before the Tooltip actually says "Call on Azura to send a winged twilight to fight at your side." It specifically mentions azura sending you a winged twilight, and makes no mention of you creating one out of magic.
The tooltip on the familiar states: "Command the powers of Oblivion to send a Daedric familiar to fight at your side." This makes mention of you calling on oblivion to send a familiar, and again makes no mention of a copy.

The argument could be easily made that what happens to the "corpse" is it's sent back to oblivion as well since it was only kept around using magic. Once the creature is dead the spell breaks, which would be the only anchor for them since it's what brought them there to begin with.

I'm sorry.... I can't help you then.
It's more than obvious, that Sorcerer summons are merely magical husks. They are made of pure magicka and that you can also see when they die.

It's undeniable, that there is daedric summoning and daedric conjuring.
One makes you summon magical copies that vanish upon death and the other makes you conjure real Daedra and their body is physical and will stay upon death.

This is a fact and you can quote as much as you want, it won't change this fact. Sorry

I don't understand how you can be this dense. It says it in the tool tip. You can't get any more accurate then the description of the spell. THAT is undeniable. How can you claim something without any proof? And if you read he actual text I linked before "I was summoned by a mortal" it even describes a Dremora on guard duty who gets pulled into the realm when someone uses a conjuration spell. It's literally all right there in plain view in the game. What are you basing your info off of? a feeling you have?

You only need your eyes and some understanding.
Then you will be able to see the difference between these 2 things.

I just don't know, what else I can tell you.

You are wrong and catalyst is right. You are making fanfic like assumptions on the nature of magic when there is lore info there

Dracane · August 2016

notimetocare wrote: »

Dracane wrote: »

catalyst10e wrote: »

Dracane wrote: »

catalyst10e wrote: »

Dracane wrote: »

catalyst10e wrote: »

Has no one read "I was summoned by a mortal" ?(link for reference: http://elderscrolls.wikia.com/wiki/I_was_Summoned_by_a_Mortal ) Where else would the summoned creatures come from? Where did the idea of "temporary daedric copies" come from tho? The summon twilight ability will mention calling on azura to send you a twilight, but nothing i can find mentions making a copy of creatures. All in all tho, nice work tracking down and translating.

Yes, they are copies. You sacrifise some of your magicka, to summon a copy of a real Daedra.
This copy is unstable and only made of magicka. You can tell, because there is No Corpse, the Magicka just vanishes after the creature is dead.

An example for daedric conjuration in ESO would be Lady Malygda in the Imperial City. She conjures a bunch of real Spiderlings. Of course she is a higher Daedra, and conjuring so many at the same time is no problem for her. Daedric conjuring usually leaves red spheres, summoning blue/purple spheres.

A conjured creature, will leave a body because it is a real daedra, not just a copy.

danielpatrickkeaneub17_ESO wrote: »

"Hey ladies. How about I buy you a drink? No? What if I were to tell you I speak fluent deadric?"

Oh yes please *-* Some Summerset Ale please.

Daedra are not like humans they do not leave behind their body upon death they go back to oblivion. To quote the page on Daedra "Although they can be defeated, they are considered immortal, as their soul or animus is sent back to Oblivion in the event that their body is destroyed. When a Daedra's physical form is destroyed, weapons and other items may be taken, but not their armor, as it is bound to Oblivion. After being killed, a Daedra's soul will wander Oblivion and eventually re-constitute its original form; this tortuous period can last centuries."

Furthermore, as I mentioned before the Tooltip actually says "Call on Azura to send a winged twilight to fight at your side." It specifically mentions azura sending you a winged twilight, and makes no mention of you creating one out of magic.
The tooltip on the familiar states: "Command the powers of Oblivion to send a Daedric familiar to fight at your side." This makes mention of you calling on oblivion to send a familiar, and again makes no mention of a copy.

The argument could be easily made that what happens to the "corpse" is it's sent back to oblivion as well since it was only kept around using magic. Once the creature is dead the spell breaks, which would be the only anchor for them since it's what brought them there to begin with.

I'm sorry.... I can't help you then.
It's more than obvious, that Sorcerer summons are merely magical husks. They are made of pure magicka and that you can also see when they die.

It's undeniable, that there is daedric summoning and daedric conjuring.
One makes you summon magical copies that vanish upon death and the other makes you conjure real Daedra and their body is physical and will stay upon death.

This is a fact and you can quote as much as you want, it won't change this fact. Sorry

I don't understand how you can be this dense. It says it in the tool tip. You can't get any more accurate then the description of the spell. THAT is undeniable. How can you claim something without any proof? And if you read he actual text I linked before "I was summoned by a mortal" it even describes a Dremora on guard duty who gets pulled into the realm when someone uses a conjuration spell. It's literally all right there in plain view in the game. What are you basing your info off of? a feeling you have?

You only need your eyes and some understanding.
Then you will be able to see the difference between these 2 things.

I just don't know, what else I can tell you.

You are wrong and catalyst is right. You are making fanfic like assumptions on the nature of magic when there is lore info there

No assumptions.
Some summons just vanish and some leave a body afterwards. It has always been this way and these 2 are different versions.

How can you even fight this ? That's just how it is O.o I really don't understand why you keep saying otherwise, while it's more than obvious.

Tyrion87 · August 2016

It was educational...

Don't you want to send your application to Shad Astula for a post of a teacher of Daedric language/symbols?

SirCritical · August 2016

Lol, 2 mages are arguing there

I hope IRL you aren't practising your skills

Tyrion87 · August 2016

SirCritical wrote: »

Lol, 2 mages are arguing there I hope IRL you aren't practising your skills

I think that Loremaster Lawrence Schick should express his opinion in this matter and decide who is right (if anyone) xD

drakhan2002_ESO · August 2016

Great post! I applaud your 'awesomeness'.

Siphoneer · August 2016

Alter = Dark Magic
Conjure = Daedric Summoning
Shock = Storm Calling

My 2 cents..

Dracane · August 2016

Siphoneer wrote: »

Alter = Dark Magic
Conjure = Daedric Summoning
Shock = Storm Calling

My 2 cents..

Dark magic is no actual school of magic. It's more of an "umbrella term" to describe evil magic. For example daedric mines, crystal shard and all these things are summoning spells basically.
Just like earth and wind and water are destructive in nature, but don't count towards the school of destruction.

There are ways of magic that just don't fit in any existing school. Afterall, schools are just a way to tell apart spells.
But I think you could be right with your idea.

Ep1kMalware · August 2016

Dracane wrote: »

notimetocare wrote: »

Dracane wrote: »

catalyst10e wrote: »

Dracane wrote: »

catalyst10e wrote: »

Dracane wrote: »

catalyst10e wrote: »

Has no one read "I was summoned by a mortal" ?(link for reference: http://elderscrolls.wikia.com/wiki/I_was_Summoned_by_a_Mortal ) Where else would the summoned creatures come from? Where did the idea of "temporary daedric copies" come from tho? The summon twilight ability will mention calling on azura to send you a twilight, but nothing i can find mentions making a copy of creatures. All in all tho, nice work tracking down and translating.

Yes, they are copies. You sacrifise some of your magicka, to summon a copy of a real Daedra.
This copy is unstable and only made of magicka. You can tell, because there is No Corpse, the Magicka just vanishes after the creature is dead.

An example for daedric conjuration in ESO would be Lady Malygda in the Imperial City. She conjures a bunch of real Spiderlings. Of course she is a higher Daedra, and conjuring so many at the same time is no problem for her. Daedric conjuring usually leaves red spheres, summoning blue/purple spheres.

A conjured creature, will leave a body because it is a real daedra, not just a copy.

danielpatrickkeaneub17_ESO wrote: »

"Hey ladies. How about I buy you a drink? No? What if I were to tell you I speak fluent deadric?"

Oh yes please *-* Some Summerset Ale please.

Daedra are not like humans they do not leave behind their body upon death they go back to oblivion. To quote the page on Daedra "Although they can be defeated, they are considered immortal, as their soul or animus is sent back to Oblivion in the event that their body is destroyed. When a Daedra's physical form is destroyed, weapons and other items may be taken, but not their armor, as it is bound to Oblivion. After being killed, a Daedra's soul will wander Oblivion and eventually re-constitute its original form; this tortuous period can last centuries."

Furthermore, as I mentioned before the Tooltip actually says "Call on Azura to send a winged twilight to fight at your side." It specifically mentions azura sending you a winged twilight, and makes no mention of you creating one out of magic.
The tooltip on the familiar states: "Command the powers of Oblivion to send a Daedric familiar to fight at your side." This makes mention of you calling on oblivion to send a familiar, and again makes no mention of a copy.

The argument could be easily made that what happens to the "corpse" is it's sent back to oblivion as well since it was only kept around using magic. Once the creature is dead the spell breaks, which would be the only anchor for them since it's what brought them there to begin with.

I'm sorry.... I can't help you then.
It's more than obvious, that Sorcerer summons are merely magical husks. They are made of pure magicka and that you can also see when they die.

It's undeniable, that there is daedric summoning and daedric conjuring.
One makes you summon magical copies that vanish upon death and the other makes you conjure real Daedra and their body is physical and will stay upon death.

This is a fact and you can quote as much as you want, it won't change this fact. Sorry

I don't understand how you can be this dense. It says it in the tool tip. You can't get any more accurate then the description of the spell. THAT is undeniable. How can you claim something without any proof? And if you read he actual text I linked before "I was summoned by a mortal" it even describes a Dremora on guard duty who gets pulled into the realm when someone uses a conjuration spell. It's literally all right there in plain view in the game. What are you basing your info off of? a feeling you have?

You only need your eyes and some understanding.
Then you will be able to see the difference between these 2 things.

I just don't know, what else I can tell you.

You are wrong and catalyst is right. You are making fanfic like assumptions on the nature of magic when there is lore info there

No assumptions.
Some summons just vanish and some leave a body afterwards. It has always been this way and these 2 are different versions.

How can you even fight this ? That's just how it is O.o I really don't understand why you keep saying otherwise, while it's more than obvious.

Its time for your ritalin again. thanks catalyst for that good read. Thank you OP, I never gave this any thoughg =o

Dracane · August 2016

Ep1kMalware wrote: »

Dracane wrote: »

notimetocare wrote: »

Dracane wrote: »

catalyst10e wrote: »

Dracane wrote: »

catalyst10e wrote: »

Dracane wrote: »

catalyst10e wrote: »

Has no one read "I was summoned by a mortal" ?(link for reference: http://elderscrolls.wikia.com/wiki/I_was_Summoned_by_a_Mortal ) Where else would the summoned creatures come from? Where did the idea of "temporary daedric copies" come from tho? The summon twilight ability will mention calling on azura to send you a twilight, but nothing i can find mentions making a copy of creatures. All in all tho, nice work tracking down and translating.

Yes, they are copies. You sacrifise some of your magicka, to summon a copy of a real Daedra.
This copy is unstable and only made of magicka. You can tell, because there is No Corpse, the Magicka just vanishes after the creature is dead.

An example for daedric conjuration in ESO would be Lady Malygda in the Imperial City. She conjures a bunch of real Spiderlings. Of course she is a higher Daedra, and conjuring so many at the same time is no problem for her. Daedric conjuring usually leaves red spheres, summoning blue/purple spheres.

A conjured creature, will leave a body because it is a real daedra, not just a copy.

danielpatrickkeaneub17_ESO wrote: »

"Hey ladies. How about I buy you a drink? No? What if I were to tell you I speak fluent deadric?"

Oh yes please *-* Some Summerset Ale please.

Daedra are not like humans they do not leave behind their body upon death they go back to oblivion. To quote the page on Daedra "Although they can be defeated, they are considered immortal, as their soul or animus is sent back to Oblivion in the event that their body is destroyed. When a Daedra's physical form is destroyed, weapons and other items may be taken, but not their armor, as it is bound to Oblivion. After being killed, a Daedra's soul will wander Oblivion and eventually re-constitute its original form; this tortuous period can last centuries."

Furthermore, as I mentioned before the Tooltip actually says "Call on Azura to send a winged twilight to fight at your side." It specifically mentions azura sending you a winged twilight, and makes no mention of you creating one out of magic.
The tooltip on the familiar states: "Command the powers of Oblivion to send a Daedric familiar to fight at your side." This makes mention of you calling on oblivion to send a familiar, and again makes no mention of a copy.

The argument could be easily made that what happens to the "corpse" is it's sent back to oblivion as well since it was only kept around using magic. Once the creature is dead the spell breaks, which would be the only anchor for them since it's what brought them there to begin with.

I'm sorry.... I can't help you then.
It's more than obvious, that Sorcerer summons are merely magical husks. They are made of pure magicka and that you can also see when they die.

It's undeniable, that there is daedric summoning and daedric conjuring.
One makes you summon magical copies that vanish upon death and the other makes you conjure real Daedra and their body is physical and will stay upon death.

This is a fact and you can quote as much as you want, it won't change this fact. Sorry

I don't understand how you can be this dense. It says it in the tool tip. You can't get any more accurate then the description of the spell. THAT is undeniable. How can you claim something without any proof? And if you read he actual text I linked before "I was summoned by a mortal" it even describes a Dremora on guard duty who gets pulled into the realm when someone uses a conjuration spell. It's literally all right there in plain view in the game. What are you basing your info off of? a feeling you have?

You only need your eyes and some understanding.
Then you will be able to see the difference between these 2 things.

I just don't know, what else I can tell you.

You are wrong and catalyst is right. You are making fanfic like assumptions on the nature of magic when there is lore info there

No assumptions.
Some summons just vanish and some leave a body afterwards. It has always been this way and these 2 are different versions.

How can you even fight this ? That's just how it is O.o I really don't understand why you keep saying otherwise, while it's more than obvious.

Its time for your ritalin again. thanks catalyst for that good read. Thank you OP, I never gave this any thoughg =o

Never have I been confronted with so much outrageous behavior

You guys want to destroy my life.

catalyst10e · August 2016

Dracane wrote: »

notimetocare wrote: »

Dracane wrote: »

catalyst10e wrote: »

Dracane wrote: »

catalyst10e wrote: »

Dracane wrote: »

catalyst10e wrote: »

Has no one read "I was summoned by a mortal" ?(link for reference: http://elderscrolls.wikia.com/wiki/I_was_Summoned_by_a_Mortal ) Where else would the summoned creatures come from? Where did the idea of "temporary daedric copies" come from tho? The summon twilight ability will mention calling on azura to send you a twilight, but nothing i can find mentions making a copy of creatures. All in all tho, nice work tracking down and translating.

Yes, they are copies. You sacrifise some of your magicka, to summon a copy of a real Daedra.
This copy is unstable and only made of magicka. You can tell, because there is No Corpse, the Magicka just vanishes after the creature is dead.

An example for daedric conjuration in ESO would be Lady Malygda in the Imperial City. She conjures a bunch of real Spiderlings. Of course she is a higher Daedra, and conjuring so many at the same time is no problem for her. Daedric conjuring usually leaves red spheres, summoning blue/purple spheres.

A conjured creature, will leave a body because it is a real daedra, not just a copy.

danielpatrickkeaneub17_ESO wrote: »

"Hey ladies. How about I buy you a drink? No? What if I were to tell you I speak fluent deadric?"

Oh yes please *-* Some Summerset Ale please.

Daedra are not like humans they do not leave behind their body upon death they go back to oblivion. To quote the page on Daedra "Although they can be defeated, they are considered immortal, as their soul or animus is sent back to Oblivion in the event that their body is destroyed. When a Daedra's physical form is destroyed, weapons and other items may be taken, but not their armor, as it is bound to Oblivion. After being killed, a Daedra's soul will wander Oblivion and eventually re-constitute its original form; this tortuous period can last centuries."

Furthermore, as I mentioned before the Tooltip actually says "Call on Azura to send a winged twilight to fight at your side." It specifically mentions azura sending you a winged twilight, and makes no mention of you creating one out of magic.
The tooltip on the familiar states: "Command the powers of Oblivion to send a Daedric familiar to fight at your side." This makes mention of you calling on oblivion to send a familiar, and again makes no mention of a copy.

The argument could be easily made that what happens to the "corpse" is it's sent back to oblivion as well since it was only kept around using magic. Once the creature is dead the spell breaks, which would be the only anchor for them since it's what brought them there to begin with.

I'm sorry.... I can't help you then.
It's more than obvious, that Sorcerer summons are merely magical husks. They are made of pure magicka and that you can also see when they die.

It's undeniable, that there is daedric summoning and daedric conjuring.
One makes you summon magical copies that vanish upon death and the other makes you conjure real Daedra and their body is physical and will stay upon death.

This is a fact and you can quote as much as you want, it won't change this fact. Sorry

I don't understand how you can be this dense. It says it in the tool tip. You can't get any more accurate then the description of the spell. THAT is undeniable. How can you claim something without any proof? And if you read he actual text I linked before "I was summoned by a mortal" it even describes a Dremora on guard duty who gets pulled into the realm when someone uses a conjuration spell. It's literally all right there in plain view in the game. What are you basing your info off of? a feeling you have?

You only need your eyes and some understanding.
Then you will be able to see the difference between these 2 things.

I just don't know, what else I can tell you.

You are wrong and catalyst is right. You are making fanfic like assumptions on the nature of magic when there is lore info there

No assumptions.
Some summons just vanish and some leave a body afterwards. It has always been this way and these 2 are different versions.

How can you even fight this ? That's just how it is O.o I really don't understand why you keep saying otherwise, while it's more than obvious.

No assumptions? Yet you have no proof to your claims. That's literally the definition of Assumption. But don't take my word for it... here's Oxford's Defition http://www.oxforddictionaries.com/us/definition/american_english/assumption

What summon sticks around after you've killed them? The only thing I can think of that might be causing your confusion, is that you may be confusing all Daedra with summoned Daedra. As with the case of say.... A Daedra currently in Bruma. If you kill him, he falls dead and lays there for a time, allowing you to loot him. This Daedra wasn't brought to Nirn by magical means,(or at least a summoned magical means) they opened a portal and walked in. It's not the same as being summoned.

Conjuration spells, put a temporary bind on the creature in question and pull it unwillingly to Nirn. Upon death they are banished back to where they came from. This is how it has always worked going as far back as TES III: Morrowind. All in-game lore and references back this up. To deny it is to outright refuse the truth itself. Maybe its because you personally don't like the idea of pulling unwilling subject every time you summon one, or you like to think of them as your friend. But this here is the truth of the matter, indisputable proof from the people who made the games. The ONLY time I was able to find anything remotely referring to magical copies, was specifically the bound weapon spells of TES V: Skyrim, as they look to be made from magic, and are the only known spells to have done that.

Dracane · August 2016

catalyst10e wrote: »

Dracane wrote: »

notimetocare wrote: »

Dracane wrote: »

catalyst10e wrote: »

Dracane wrote: »

catalyst10e wrote: »

Dracane wrote: »

catalyst10e wrote: »

Has no one read "I was summoned by a mortal" ?(link for reference: http://elderscrolls.wikia.com/wiki/I_was_Summoned_by_a_Mortal ) Where else would the summoned creatures come from? Where did the idea of "temporary daedric copies" come from tho? The summon twilight ability will mention calling on azura to send you a twilight, but nothing i can find mentions making a copy of creatures. All in all tho, nice work tracking down and translating.

Yes, they are copies. You sacrifise some of your magicka, to summon a copy of a real Daedra.
This copy is unstable and only made of magicka. You can tell, because there is No Corpse, the Magicka just vanishes after the creature is dead.

An example for daedric conjuration in ESO would be Lady Malygda in the Imperial City. She conjures a bunch of real Spiderlings. Of course she is a higher Daedra, and conjuring so many at the same time is no problem for her. Daedric conjuring usually leaves red spheres, summoning blue/purple spheres.

A conjured creature, will leave a body because it is a real daedra, not just a copy.

danielpatrickkeaneub17_ESO wrote: »

"Hey ladies. How about I buy you a drink? No? What if I were to tell you I speak fluent deadric?"

Oh yes please *-* Some Summerset Ale please.

Daedra are not like humans they do not leave behind their body upon death they go back to oblivion. To quote the page on Daedra "Although they can be defeated, they are considered immortal, as their soul or animus is sent back to Oblivion in the event that their body is destroyed. When a Daedra's physical form is destroyed, weapons and other items may be taken, but not their armor, as it is bound to Oblivion. After being killed, a Daedra's soul will wander Oblivion and eventually re-constitute its original form; this tortuous period can last centuries."

Furthermore, as I mentioned before the Tooltip actually says "Call on Azura to send a winged twilight to fight at your side." It specifically mentions azura sending you a winged twilight, and makes no mention of you creating one out of magic.
The tooltip on the familiar states: "Command the powers of Oblivion to send a Daedric familiar to fight at your side." This makes mention of you calling on oblivion to send a familiar, and again makes no mention of a copy.

The argument could be easily made that what happens to the "corpse" is it's sent back to oblivion as well since it was only kept around using magic. Once the creature is dead the spell breaks, which would be the only anchor for them since it's what brought them there to begin with.

I'm sorry.... I can't help you then.
It's more than obvious, that Sorcerer summons are merely magical husks. They are made of pure magicka and that you can also see when they die.

It's undeniable, that there is daedric summoning and daedric conjuring.
One makes you summon magical copies that vanish upon death and the other makes you conjure real Daedra and their body is physical and will stay upon death.

This is a fact and you can quote as much as you want, it won't change this fact. Sorry

I don't understand how you can be this dense. It says it in the tool tip. You can't get any more accurate then the description of the spell. THAT is undeniable. How can you claim something without any proof? And if you read he actual text I linked before "I was summoned by a mortal" it even describes a Dremora on guard duty who gets pulled into the realm when someone uses a conjuration spell. It's literally all right there in plain view in the game. What are you basing your info off of? a feeling you have?

You only need your eyes and some understanding.
Then you will be able to see the difference between these 2 things.

I just don't know, what else I can tell you.

You are wrong and catalyst is right. You are making fanfic like assumptions on the nature of magic when there is lore info there

No assumptions.
Some summons just vanish and some leave a body afterwards. It has always been this way and these 2 are different versions.

How can you even fight this ? That's just how it is O.o I really don't understand why you keep saying otherwise, while it's more than obvious.

No assumptions? Yet you have no proof to your claims. That's literally the definition of Assumption. But don't take my word for it... here's Oxford's Defition http://www.oxforddictionaries.com/us/definition/american_english/assumption

What summon sticks around after you've killed them? The only thing I can think of that might be causing your confusion, is that you may be confusing all Daedra with summoned Daedra. As with the case of say.... A Daedra currently in Bruma. If you kill him, he falls dead and lays there for a time, allowing you to loot him. This Daedra wasn't brought to Nirn by magical means,(or at least a summoned magical means) they opened a portal and walked in. It's not the same as being summoned.

Conjuration spells, put a temporary bind on the creature in question and pull it unwillingly to Nirn. Upon death they are banished back to where they came from. This is how it has always worked going as far back as TES III: Morrowind. All in-game lore and references back this up. To deny it is to outright refuse the truth itself. Maybe its because you personally don't like the idea of pulling unwilling subject every time you summon one, or you like to think of them as your friend. But this here is the truth of the matter, indisputable proof from the people who made the games. The ONLY time I was able to find anything remotely referring to magical copies, was specifically the bound weapon spells of TES V: Skyrim, as they look to be made from magic, and are the only known spells to have done that.

You have never played an Elder scrolls game, that's the only explaination.
No, I do not mistake wild Daedra in the sewers or elsewhere as summoned Daedra.

But there are spells that summon a temporary unstable Daedra and ones that conjure a physical Daedra from Oblivion.
Come on, seriously. You can't be serious with all your posts