NOT an auction house. A mini public trader.

xilfxlegion · August 2016

Lysette wrote: »

xilfxlegion wrote: »

Lysette wrote: »

Giles.floydub17_ESO wrote: »

Just find a decent trading guild. We all have 5 slots and this is part of the reason for that.

That is the problem, because no one wants them for long, because they are not making a lot of volume in sales due to their time restrictions as casuals. There are too few things, they want to sell and guilds will not deem that worth of spending a slot on them for long, if they can have more active people - and that is exactly the problem here.

ok -- so your logic is, the casuals dont have time to play. so why bother diverting resources to the people who dont have time to use said resources ?

its the same as any business --- if i have steady customers that spend a lot of money, i am going to favor them over the people that buy one thing per year. or are you suggesting that if they install an auction house the casuals will switch to hard core players ?

every day there are 15 more threads about this auction house silliness --- all started by the same small group of people. zos said no. no means no.

not to mention ---- half of this will be alleviated once the chat feature comes. then " casuals " can just spam the chat channels with their blue level 17 junk.

They do not have to play a lot, but if they play they should be able to enjoy their time. They pay for the show, they deserve a little respect for that they are doing this - ESO could not survive with just hardcore players, but it could with just casuals.

Casual are decent people with a career - if they would behave like this, they wouldn't have this career - they have manners and they would not spam others with something that insignificant as a few gold in a game. That is pestering people, a decent person does not do that.

That you think they would, tells a bit about where you are coming from.

now lets see, what you hardcore guys spend in this game - I am a casual, I spend in average 15,000 crowns per month in this game and my game time for ESO+ is pre-paid for a year. Now how much do you spend every month and for how long is your ESO+ pre-paid?

i didnt disrespect anyone. respect is earned, not freely given. i dont know anyone here well enough to respect them.

again, i work six days a week. i play eso 7 days a week ( some times i just log in to do writs ) -- so your time argument is facetious at best. now -- you say that casuals wouldnt spam the forums about something as insignificant as a few gold --so them who is spamming the forums with the auction house crap ? --- the same five people, every damn day.

i am happy for you that you spend 15,000 crowns per month --- i didnt know there was 15,000 crowns worth of stuff for sale in the crown store. what this has to do with an auction house is beyond me -- but since we're throwing about useless information, i am a libra, i love cats and short walks to the buffet. my favorite author is daniel silva, i have 51 tattoos and diabetes. oooooooh look, donuts

Lysette · August 2016

xilfxlegion wrote: »

Lysette wrote: »

xilfxlegion wrote: »

Lysette wrote: »

Giles.floydub17_ESO wrote: »

Just find a decent trading guild. We all have 5 slots and this is part of the reason for that.

That is the problem, because no one wants them for long, because they are not making a lot of volume in sales due to their time restrictions as casuals. There are too few things, they want to sell and guilds will not deem that worth of spending a slot on them for long, if they can have more active people - and that is exactly the problem here.

ok -- so your logic is, the casuals dont have time to play. so why bother diverting resources to the people who dont have time to use said resources ?

its the same as any business --- if i have steady customers that spend a lot of money, i am going to favor them over the people that buy one thing per year. or are you suggesting that if they install an auction house the casuals will switch to hard core players ?

every day there are 15 more threads about this auction house silliness --- all started by the same small group of people. zos said no. no means no.

not to mention ---- half of this will be alleviated once the chat feature comes. then " casuals " can just spam the chat channels with their blue level 17 junk.

They do not have to play a lot, but if they play they should be able to enjoy their time. They pay for the show, they deserve a little respect for that they are doing this - ESO could not survive with just hardcore players, but it could with just casuals.

Casual are decent people with a career - if they would behave like this, they wouldn't have this career - they have manners and they would not spam others with something that insignificant as a few gold in a game. That is pestering people, a decent person does not do that.

That you think they would, tells a bit about where you are coming from.

now lets see, what you hardcore guys spend in this game - I am a casual, I spend in average 15,000 crowns per month in this game and my game time for ESO+ is pre-paid for a year. Now how much do you spend every month and for how long is your ESO+ pre-paid?

i didnt disrespect anyone. respect is earned, not freely given. i dont know anyone here well enough to respect them.

again, i work six days a week. i play eso 7 days a week ( some times i just log in to do writs ) -- so your time argument is facetious at best. now -- you say that casuals wouldnt spam the forums about something as insignificant as a few gold --so them who is spamming the forums with the auction house crap ? --- the same five people, every damn day.

i am happy for you that you spend 15,000 crowns per month --- i didnt know there was 15,000 crowns worth of stuff for sale in the crown store. what this has to do with an auction house is beyond me -- but since we're throwing about useless information, i am a libra, i love cats and short walks to the buffet. my favorite author is daniel silva, i have 51 tattoos and diabetes. oooooooh look, donuts

You said "chat channel" not "forums" - you do not even know what you have written yourself.

I told you that because you claimed that you guys who play a lot would pay a lot in this game and we casuals would rarely spend anything on the game - and this view of you is just plain wrong. I had to correct this.

And as you don't say what you spend, let me guess - not much at all and you are not subscribed?

Oh, and if someone is willing to spend crowns, there is a lot in the crown store what costs quite some amount - take riding skill scrolls for example - for one character full package wouild be 18,000 crówns - now one has more than one character - so one can easily spend 216k crowns on riding skills for 12 characters - what I have not done, but I have upgraded a few riding skills this months for around 15k among other things I bought. i did a name/race change and appearance change as well and of course bought the hair pack and such.

You see I have valued the resources ZOS put into developing these features. You claimed as well we casuals wouldn't do that - so did you do use any of the parlor things?

xilfxlegion · August 2016

Lysette wrote: »

xilfxlegion wrote: »

Lysette wrote: »

xilfxlegion wrote: »

Lysette wrote: »

Giles.floydub17_ESO wrote: »

Just find a decent trading guild. We all have 5 slots and this is part of the reason for that.

That is the problem, because no one wants them for long, because they are not making a lot of volume in sales due to their time restrictions as casuals. There are too few things, they want to sell and guilds will not deem that worth of spending a slot on them for long, if they can have more active people - and that is exactly the problem here.

ok -- so your logic is, the casuals dont have time to play. so why bother diverting resources to the people who dont have time to use said resources ?

its the same as any business --- if i have steady customers that spend a lot of money, i am going to favor them over the people that buy one thing per year. or are you suggesting that if they install an auction house the casuals will switch to hard core players ?

every day there are 15 more threads about this auction house silliness --- all started by the same small group of people. zos said no. no means no.

not to mention ---- half of this will be alleviated once the chat feature comes. then " casuals " can just spam the chat channels with their blue level 17 junk.

They do not have to play a lot, but if they play they should be able to enjoy their time. They pay for the show, they deserve a little respect for that they are doing this - ESO could not survive with just hardcore players, but it could with just casuals.

Casual are decent people with a career - if they would behave like this, they wouldn't have this career - they have manners and they would not spam others with something that insignificant as a few gold in a game. That is pestering people, a decent person does not do that.

That you think they would, tells a bit about where you are coming from.

now lets see, what you hardcore guys spend in this game - I am a casual, I spend in average 15,000 crowns per month in this game and my game time for ESO+ is pre-paid for a year. Now how much do you spend every month and for how long is your ESO+ pre-paid?

i didnt disrespect anyone. respect is earned, not freely given. i dont know anyone here well enough to respect them.

again, i work six days a week. i play eso 7 days a week ( some times i just log in to do writs ) -- so your time argument is facetious at best. now -- you say that casuals wouldnt spam the forums about something as insignificant as a few gold --so them who is spamming the forums with the auction house crap ? --- the same five people, every damn day.

i am happy for you that you spend 15,000 crowns per month --- i didnt know there was 15,000 crowns worth of stuff for sale in the crown store. what this has to do with an auction house is beyond me -- but since we're throwing about useless information, i am a libra, i love cats and short walks to the buffet. my favorite author is daniel silva, i have 51 tattoos and diabetes. oooooooh look, donuts

You said "chat channel" not "forums" - you do not even know what you have written yourself.

I told you that because you claimed that you guys who play a lot would pay a lot in this game and we casuals would rarely spend anything on the game - and this view of you is just plain wrong. I had to correct this.

And as you don't say what you spend, let me guess - not much at all and you are not subscribed?

i am subscribed --- have been since before the first dlc. i got sidetracked between chat channel talk and forum talk. if you really think that casual and hardcore players arent going to spam the chat channels, youre naive. why do you think they want them ?

xilfxlegion · August 2016

the game doesnt need a game-ruining auction house.

the trader system works fine ---- it could use a few tweaks --like being able to search by title, etc but it still works fine.

Lysette · August 2016

xilfxlegion wrote: »

Lysette wrote: »

xilfxlegion wrote: »

Lysette wrote: »

xilfxlegion wrote: »

Lysette wrote: »

Giles.floydub17_ESO wrote: »

Just find a decent trading guild. We all have 5 slots and this is part of the reason for that.

That is the problem, because no one wants them for long, because they are not making a lot of volume in sales due to their time restrictions as casuals. There are too few things, they want to sell and guilds will not deem that worth of spending a slot on them for long, if they can have more active people - and that is exactly the problem here.

ok -- so your logic is, the casuals dont have time to play. so why bother diverting resources to the people who dont have time to use said resources ?

its the same as any business --- if i have steady customers that spend a lot of money, i am going to favor them over the people that buy one thing per year. or are you suggesting that if they install an auction house the casuals will switch to hard core players ?

every day there are 15 more threads about this auction house silliness --- all started by the same small group of people. zos said no. no means no.

not to mention ---- half of this will be alleviated once the chat feature comes. then " casuals " can just spam the chat channels with their blue level 17 junk.

They do not have to play a lot, but if they play they should be able to enjoy their time. They pay for the show, they deserve a little respect for that they are doing this - ESO could not survive with just hardcore players, but it could with just casuals.

Casual are decent people with a career - if they would behave like this, they wouldn't have this career - they have manners and they would not spam others with something that insignificant as a few gold in a game. That is pestering people, a decent person does not do that.

That you think they would, tells a bit about where you are coming from.

now lets see, what you hardcore guys spend in this game - I am a casual, I spend in average 15,000 crowns per month in this game and my game time for ESO+ is pre-paid for a year. Now how much do you spend every month and for how long is your ESO+ pre-paid?

i didnt disrespect anyone. respect is earned, not freely given. i dont know anyone here well enough to respect them.

again, i work six days a week. i play eso 7 days a week ( some times i just log in to do writs ) -- so your time argument is facetious at best. now -- you say that casuals wouldnt spam the forums about something as insignificant as a few gold --so them who is spamming the forums with the auction house crap ? --- the same five people, every damn day.

i am happy for you that you spend 15,000 crowns per month --- i didnt know there was 15,000 crowns worth of stuff for sale in the crown store. what this has to do with an auction house is beyond me -- but since we're throwing about useless information, i am a libra, i love cats and short walks to the buffet. my favorite author is daniel silva, i have 51 tattoos and diabetes. oooooooh look, donuts

You said "chat channel" not "forums" - you do not even know what you have written yourself.

I told you that because you claimed that you guys who play a lot would pay a lot in this game and we casuals would rarely spend anything on the game - and this view of you is just plain wrong. I had to correct this.

And as you don't say what you spend, let me guess - not much at all and you are not subscribed?

i am subscribed --- have been since before the first dlc. i got sidetracked between chat channel talk and forum talk. if you really think that casual and hardcore players arent going to spam the chat channels, youre naive. why do you think they want them ?

on PC we have them and there is rarely any offer like this, and those who are can not be called spam - it is very decently done - on PC EU that is.

Anyway, we might not even be that much different in the end - so why do we always have to bash on each other? I am a player as well, even I do not have that much time to play. Why do you guys always have to look down on us and use the word "casual" as an insult?

Lysette · August 2016

xilfxlegion wrote: »

the game doesnt need a game-ruining auction house.

the trader system works fine ---- it could use a few tweaks --like being able to search by title, etc but it still works fine.

this was not suggested - read what was actually suggested.

Sureshawt · August 2016

This trade system is easily the most inefficient one I've ever experienced in any MMO that has a trade system. It appears to be designed to purposefully reward a few at the expense of the rest.

At the very least there should be a central interface for accessing all the traders so players don't waste valuable playtime running around all over the maps checking vendors.

I like the idea of a limited public vendor as well. Doubt it will happen though...

Lysette · August 2016

Anyway, time for me to play a little ESO now.

AntMan100673 · August 2016

I'm in 4 proper guilds (the 5th is just my other bank for an extra 500 slots), 1 of them is a trade guild that is usually up at the 500 members mark, the others aren't. None of the guilds I'm in charge a weekly fee or have a sales quota, I'm sure they'd be a risk of a casual player getting kicked from the trade guild if they weren't very active / selling much but if you played once a month you'd find you were still in the other guilds so there really isn't a barrier to joining a guild with a trader other than the self inflicted barrier of not asking to join, and for the record I make far more gold from the trader my main social guild not in a main trade city than I do from my trade guild.

For the guilds that do charge a fee find yourself a nice stealing run, mine gets me 3-5k depending on how lucky/unlucky I am, it takes me 10mins for 50 items, all items are sold to the fence so it doesn't rely on being able to sell to other people (though sometimes I do get rarer motifs that I can sell for more than the rest of the run). If you cant spare 10mins a week to get a trader fee I don't see that you could possibly have anything to sell anyway.

If you still can't / won't join a guild with a trader and don't like the fact that x can be sold for y gold on a trader but you can only get a pittance from an NPC then you're not being imaginative enough. For what you want to sell search a trader in a main trade city and find someone selling the item you want to sell and COD what you want to sell to them for half price, they'll flip it and make a profit for having access to the trader and you'll make considerably more than selling to an NPC. NB. Just CODing stuff to people out of the blue is probably frowned upon and I in no way endorse this

Skyy · August 2016

I am in two good trade guilds, neither of which have weekly requirements. I was in another that had fairly loose requirements but left it to make room for another guild. It is not hard for those who can only sell casually to get a good trade guild, they just have to do a little more than whine in the forums.

Defilted · August 2016

There is nothing wrong with the guild trader system.

Booter · August 2016

I'm not a fan of the current trader system. I'm in a few guilds and don't have real hard time selling stuff, however:

A. I don't like running around to 10-15 different traders to see if I'm getting a good deal on the items I'm trying to buy.

B. You have to be in a guild to sell at a trader. It would help those lone wolves out there who may be uninterested in guilds but like to sell items they do not want/need and make some coin on the side.

My suggestion is a blind bid auction house. One in each major city in each zone. Limited to 5 buy and sell listings per day. Every guild you're in gives you 5 more listing per day.

1. No items in the auction house are tagged with a name.
2. You do not see the prices items are selling for.
3. You place a bid to buy x amount of items at y price.
4. If the item you are looking for is sale at or below the price you are willing to pay you get them item. However the you get the lowest listed price item first.

Example #1 - Player A puts 1 nirnroot up for 50 gold. Player B puts up 2 for 75 gold each. Player C puts up five for 100 each.
Then Player D puts in a bid for 5 nirnroot at 80 gold each. Player D would then buy up player A and B listed items for 80 gold each (even though they listed the item at a lower price). The remainder of his bid (2 Nirnroot at 80 gold) would remain on the auction house until some one listed nirnroot for at or below his price.

Example #2 - For example purposes lets say there is no perfect roe in the auction for sale. Player Z places a bid for 1 perfect roe for 5k. Player Y places a bid for 1 perfect roe for 10k. Player X places a bid for 1 perfect roe for 15k. Player W then sells one perfect roe for 9k. Player X would win the bid and player W would get 15k.

I know those in favor of the current system probably wont like this but its just an idea.

failkiwib16_ESO · August 2016

Lysette wrote: »

Through trader - and what about casuals who play like 2-3 times per week for an hour or two - how are they in your guild?- Or do you even have casuals which are rarely even there and still want to sell their stuff, that bit what they got.

BTW a merchant pays a wooping 1 gold for columbine. So generous is ZOS.

Most of the low levels I meet, who don't have cp160+ chars don't play much - one of those "2-3 times per week for an hour or two" got from level 17 to cp200+ and earned 100k+ in the meantime in the trading guild I'm officer in, and he managed that within a month.

My own guild - well that's a different story - we have a cheap trader and everyone can sell through it if they wish to, but the low levels tend to not do take advantage of it. If I put an effort into it, I can earn 30k a day through that trader, but I am lazy. I mainly keep the trader to give my guildies option to sell without joining a trading guild.

Btw. higher material level loot sells for more at merchants. Iron axe sells for less than Steel or Ebon, so if you continue to progress in the game you will get higher prices for your vendor items. Flowers excluded, the high value of those flowers is only player based.... most valuable items cost 0g, such as motifs.

phaseadept · August 2016

As much as I would like to see a public trading system. . . I still make 80k-100k a week fencing, selling everything not blue/green/purple, and questing. . .

(Been back for three weeks; made around 260k gold without selling anything to other players)

Morimizo · August 2016

Perfectly happy for there to be a public trader, particular with some restrictions like limited item slots and higher posting fees (that could go into a pool to be split between all the other trade guilds in the same area).

The current system is too exclusive, and the whole idea of these oversocialized MMO exercises is to make sure everyone can participate.

Can we get an alphabetical sort for ALL the traders first please?!?

That's impossible? Rrrrrriiiight....

Check out the sorting on the Guild Page itself. Very nice alphabetizing there. Transfer it!!!!!!!!

Lysette · August 2016

failkiwib16_ESO wrote: »

Lysette wrote: »

Through trader - and what about casuals who play like 2-3 times per week for an hour or two - how are they in your guild?- Or do you even have casuals which are rarely even there and still want to sell their stuff, that bit what they got.

BTW a merchant pays a wooping 1 gold for columbine. So generous is ZOS.

Most of the low levels I meet, who don't have cp160+ chars don't play much - one of those "2-3 times per week for an hour or two" got from level 17 to cp200+ and earned 100k+ in the meantime in the trading guild I'm officer in, and he managed that within a month.

My own guild - well that's a different story - we have a cheap trader and everyone can sell through it if they wish to, but the low levels tend to not do take advantage of it. If I put an effort into it, I can earn 30k a day through that trader, but I am lazy. I mainly keep the trader to give my guildies option to sell without joining a trading guild.

Btw. higher material level loot sells for more at merchants. Iron axe sells for less than Steel or Ebon, so if you continue to progress in the game you will get higher prices for your vendor items. Flowers excluded, the high value of those flowers is only player based.... most valuable items cost 0g, such as motifs.

Ah ok, I normally do not sell what I craft, but reuse it - either to transfer traits to other characters so that they can learn them or that they deconstruct them - so that it is never their own stuff, what they deconstruct, but from another character.

the funny thing with not selling via trader is for me, that my 12 characters get along quite well, they are neither poor nor rich, it balances itself out with what I do. I am not much into loot as well, because I cannot sell it, but I take green and up for deconstruction purposes and the gold. So I personally do not really have a problem, because I can pay for what I need without to get poor and I can buy asset as well - so there is no real need for me to go for loot. I know I play in a strange way, but I was strange in all fantasy games and am used to it. Nevertheless sometimes it would be nice if I could sell one or the other stuff, where I have simply too much of it. Not even earning money is of much interest, because I do not really have a use for it.

Strange, I know

Edit: I am just wondering - what does someone do with a million gold in this game?- Is there any purpose for being a millionaire in ESO?

Xvorg · August 2016

MornaBaine wrote: »

There really DOES need to be a way to sell your items without being forced to give up precious guild slots to trade guilds. I enormously resent this. Yes, I'm in trade guilds and I hate it. I want to use those guild slots for other types of guilds. But then I'd never be able to sell anything. That they made this giant headache of a system just because they were determined to be "different" from other MMOs has been a huge disservice to the player base.

One idea? Join House Hlaluu

Yes, built in guild vendors with one vendor on each alliance starting city.

You can add tghe "merchant" skill line to get a smaller commision for selling with House Hlaluu

Lysette · August 2016

Xvorg wrote: »

MornaBaine wrote: »

There really DOES need to be a way to sell your items without being forced to give up precious guild slots to trade guilds. I enormously resent this. Yes, I'm in trade guilds and I hate it. I want to use those guild slots for other types of guilds. But then I'd never be able to sell anything. That they made this giant headache of a system just because they were determined to be "different" from other MMOs has been a huge disservice to the player base.

One idea? Join House Hlaluu

Yes, built in guild vendors with one vendor on each alliance starting city.

You can add tghe "merchant" skill line to get a smaller commision for selling with House Hlaluu

Now how does one do that?

DPG76 · August 2016

one trade guys , it's simple as more vending opportunity
i don't get with the per guild vendor that you'll have to find trough Tamriel just to see what is offered at what price
is it to discourage concurence ? to make people buy because they don't want or have time to go browse trough every single vendor everywhere just to make sure to get it at the right price ?

Lysette · August 2016

DeepPlayGamer wrote: »

one trade guys , it's simple as more vending opportunity
i don't get with the per guild vendor that you'll have to find trough Tamriel just to see what is offered at what price
is it to discourage concurence ? to make people buy because they don't want or have time to go browse trough every single vendor everywhere just to make sure to get it at the right price ?

In EVE is regional market - and it has many regions - you can just see the prices from most regions via an external webservice, which gets the data from the API of the game. It makes it interesting, but it is there not guild-gated, but everyone can sell and buy everywhere, to local conditions.

One advantage is for example, that you normally get better prices in local markets, but it takes longer to sell it - whereas in the big trading hubs it is sold in an instant but you will get much lower prices because many trade there. Hubs are good when you want to sell in bulk, but to know where good local spots are, is where the win is - best spots is where people "live", who do not care about having to pay double, triple or even 10-times as much. To find out where such spots are and to offer it at the right station is a bit tricky, but fun if one is interested in trading - sometimes a station can be nearby and sells pretty much nothing, whereas another has all the business - it takes to study the behavior and habits of people to find out, what sells where well and what does not sell or not sell in this station or location.

If there would be just one common market, all this interesting emerging gameplay would not happen.

DPG76 · August 2016

Lysette wrote: »

DeepPlayGamer wrote: »

one trade guys , it's simple as more vending opportunity
i don't get with the per guild vendor that you'll have to find trough Tamriel just to see what is offered at what price
is it to discourage concurence ? to make people buy because they don't want or have time to go browse trough every single vendor everywhere just to make sure to get it at the right price ?

In EVE is regional market - and it has many regions - you can just see the prices from most regions via an external webservice, which gets the data from the API of the game. It makes it interesting, but it is there not guild-gated, but everyone can sell and buy everywhere, to local conditions.

well that's already improved just because you can actually see what's gooing on price.
Like it's now it's if you wanna be sure to get to know the right vendors for such items you say today i log in to go shopping in eso , all day long

Lysette · August 2016

DeepPlayGamer wrote: »

Lysette wrote: »

DeepPlayGamer wrote: »

one trade guys , it's simple as more vending opportunity
i don't get with the per guild vendor that you'll have to find trough Tamriel just to see what is offered at what price
is it to discourage concurence ? to make people buy because they don't want or have time to go browse trough every single vendor everywhere just to make sure to get it at the right price ?

In EVE is regional market - and it has many regions - you can just see the prices from most regions via an external webservice, which gets the data from the API of the game. It makes it interesting, but it is there not guild-gated, but everyone can sell and buy everywhere, to local conditions.

well that's already improved just because you can actually see what's gooing on price.
Like it's now it's if you wanna be sure to get to know the right vendors for such items you say today i log in to go shopping in eso , all day long

I know, I had a couple of good spots to buy in ESO - and then the guild lost the trader and never got it again - and those who took it, have nearly nothing to offer - I think, they are just manipulating the market, they do not need this trader to another purpose then to block it for other guilds.

This is as well good with One Tamriel, due to that all have access to a lot more guild traders, it is much harder to manipulate the market.

DPG76 · August 2016

i just wanted to add that i also see the pain in those that did so much effort to build a trade imperium in Tamriel and me for my self donated a lots of money also just to see that nothing happens with it and that the efforts just to get one of these traders go in vein ..

but that doesn't mean a hinder for further improvements in this system

edited spelling

Lysette · August 2016

DeepPlayGamer wrote: »

i just wanted to add that i also see the pain in those that did so much effort to build a trade imperium in Tamriel and me for my self donated a lots of money also just to see that nothing happens with it and that the efforts just to get one of these traders go in vein ..

but that doesn't mean a hinder for further improvements in this system

edited spelling

I thought about this, when I suggested to make fences in outlaw refuges to buy stuff at half the market value - this would not hinder the trades of guilds, but it would be a way for people without a guild to at least get something for their stuff - and not just a few coins.

I is pretty clear to me that some have build an empire and they want to keep it and that is ok, this is valid gameplay. An added option should never disturb the normal market. And it does not, those people who would sell there, do currently not sell at all and stock, deconstruct or trash it.

alexkdd99 · August 2016

It is not happening, why can't people get this in their head. You keep saying that these people can not get enough money for their stuff. Have you stopped to think that maybe the stuff they are trying to sell is worthless? If you want merchants to pay more then say that but you are tying it in with trading and the economy which is going to get a lot of opposition.
Please stop saying these people which I have yet to see are too good to spam chat or sale things in zone chat.

If they do not want to put in the effort to get things worth selling and the effort to sell them then they do not deserve the gold. Can we also please stop with saying only the elite can be in a trade guilds with a trader? Anyone, yes that is right I said anyone can be in a guild with a trader.

Correct me if I'm wrong but you keep saying these either imaginary or maybe hypothetical people are upset because people don't want to buy worthless items and the npc doesn't pay high prices for easy to obtain items.

By your own words these hypothetical people hardly play the game at all so why do they need much gold. Also you say that these people should be able to sell things for whatever they deem it to be worth, but I think even you know this is ridiculous. Sure I wish I could sell all my items for some crazy amount and people would buy them but that is not how any economy works.

To say this system is an injustice to its players as people have said is solely an opinion of said person. Also in every poll I have seen conducted regarding guild traders on this forum the majority has always lied with the current system. Even if it didn't though zos has made no mention of ever changing the way it currently works. Money is super easy to obtain in this game for those willing to put in the work.

Xvorg · August 2016

Lysette wrote: »

Xvorg wrote: »

MornaBaine wrote: »

There really DOES need to be a way to sell your items without being forced to give up precious guild slots to trade guilds. I enormously resent this. Yes, I'm in trade guilds and I hate it. I want to use those guild slots for other types of guilds. But then I'd never be able to sell anything. That they made this giant headache of a system just because they were determined to be "different" from other MMOs has been a huge disservice to the player base.

One idea? Join House Hlaluu

Yes, built in guild vendors with one vendor on each alliance starting city.

You can add tghe "merchant" skill line to get a smaller commision for selling with House Hlaluu

Now how does one do that?

Just joining a trading non playable guild, just like thieve's or DB. They allow you to put your wares there, and sell them in the 3 starting cities.

But you need to go to one of those cities to put them in the market

notimetocare · August 2016

MornaBaine wrote: »

There really DOES need to be a way to sell your items without being forced to give up precious guild slots to trade guilds. I enormously resent this. Yes, I'm in trade guilds and I hate it. I want to use those guild slots for other types of guilds. But then I'd never be able to sell anything. That they made this giant headache of a system just because they were determined to be "different" from other MMOs has been a huge disservice to the player base.

In a game where you are permitted 4 more guild slots than normal... Giving up one is such a huge burden?

The trade system is not a huge disservice to the playerbase. It offer far more ability to make a good profit just by playing the system. And really, unlile other games you dont need and AH system to get the items you need.

I have a guild for basically everything with an unused slot... Rp, pve, pvp and trade

jedtb16_ESO · August 2016

the trade system is like everything else in this game....

you want another level.... work for it

you want that really cool weapon from a trial..... work for it

you want to get to level 10 on any of the guilds..... work for it

you want to be master angler..... work for it

you want top level cp.....work for it

you want to get rich?

work for it.

Lysette · August 2016

I guess I stick with a criminal life then - not all of my characters wanted to live like that, but the circumstances force them to. I basically see here that there is no understand for the situation, so be it, then they will become murderers and thieves - all of them. not because I want them to be that, but because from their perspective there is no other way than this.

MornaBaine · August 2016

Lysette wrote: »

I understand you very well MornaBaine, you want roleplay guilds and social guilds, not guilds where people are just to sell their stuff. When i came to ESO I thought maybe I will do a guild, even I do not have much time. Then someone invited me to a guild, we had good relation to each other on a human level and then he got a new demanding job and had to give up playing and left the guild to me.

First experience with this guild - there is no way to efficiently communicate with guild members at all. All the tools to run a guild are simply not there. Furthermore people found it strange, that I want to talk to them and create a community - why, because they just joined because they wanted to sell - all of them, and no one wanted to buy - all newbies though. Guess what, most of them are gone now - given up - this was a dead guild from the very start and the system really killed my mood to even try now. I ran a couple of successful corporations in EVE as CEO, I know how to do it - but I need the tools to be able to do it. And people with another mind set - but how to find them?- all the tools required to recruit and such are simply not there.

This is the most screwed up guild system I have seen so far - and all the tools to manage and run it are missing.

So all of this! I lead an RP guild and if it weren't for add-ons and our extensive website there's no way it would work at all.