I played since launch, paid for a year, never bought extra content. ZOS what will you do to keep me?

MissBizz · August 2016

Smasherx74 wrote: »

Sotha_Sil wrote: »

@Smasherx74

VDSA, Sanctum ophidia, hel ra, Aetherian Archive => all base content and accessible without paying-> all endgame content at the moment since update 11 with endgame gear.... Your argument that there is no end game content for no subscribers is false, you just don't play the game...

I have to have 11 other people with me to do a single one of those. The only end game content there is for someone whos just doing quests is Craglorn. I had this argument before, ZOS needs more end game content.

@Smasherx74 VDSA is only 4 person...

idk · August 2016

@Smasherx74

It seems you already discovered what Zos is doing to keep you. They are adding content of which you have purchased 2 DLC of content.

There will never be free content. There never has been free content. This isn't a F2P game. Though thei will offer packages of the older DLC at a discount. Eventually.

dennissomb16_ESO · August 2016

Smasherx74 wrote: »

Farmerr wrote: »

Probably counting on you to impulse buy the costumes, pets, and mounts along with all the other junk in the crown store.

As a vanilla player myself, I've always wondered what's stopping people from subscribing to ESO Plus for a month and binging all the DLC content - not tried this because I'm cheap

I've read Orsinium advances the story a little, again i'm cheap and haven't bought it, but that should be free to keep players and incoming players interested like you suggest. Instead, we got Cadwell's Almanac, and yeah PvP can get old fast.

You would think enhancing the game every quarter or so would keep a steady stream of buyers from the vanilla only crowd, but maybe they really need that money from subscribers and DLC buyers to keep their jobs competitive, keeping the forum moderators and customer support from quitting, holiday bonuses, etc. Idk.

I suppose that's their marketing technique. They're gonna be dying to play the new content after a dry spell and will pay for it. Cha-Ching.

I agree with 100% you completely, but the only problem I have is the ESO MMO its self. There are a lot of "cheap" mmos, this didn't seem like one at first with the INSANELY HUGE BETA PLAYER LIST. This is an elder scrolls game so we expect content. Don't get me wrong this is a great voice acted MMO with tons of different quest options let alone the great voice acting. Lack of content is what is killing the game for me.

Speaking as an elder scrolls fan since 99/00 with redguard as a kid, I can't see this game being played more than it's available content. Morrowind easily had at least 500-1000 quests

dennissomb16_ESO wrote: »

I just assumed this was a troll post. Play ESO for free and complain that you don't get the same as WoW where you have to pay $15.00 monthly subscription and buy the expansions that come every 2 years. Go to the wow forums and read about the complaints of the people who run out of anything to do for a year when nothing new comes out between year 1 and the following year waiting for the next expansion.

So what if I'm an ESO plus subscriber on console and I'm *** upset I can't play orcinium, or in mobs my game freezes, or in PVP it's unplayable. Then your logic of 15.99 a month paying for the extra content goes down the drain.

If you are an ESO+ member then you have access to ALL DLCs and content so not sure what you are saying. Game issues such as lag, freezing etc. had nothing to do with your original post nor does it have anything to do about your complaint of content. If you are upset with the game that is cool, I simply replied to your original post

PS just realized when you mentioned Orsinium you meant the ongoing issues on consoles which is ridiculous beyond belief that it has gone on this long and I totally sympathize.

MornaBaine · August 2016

WoW still requires you to sub. That's how they pay for those nifty expansions. I and many others wish ZOS had NOT decided to give up the sub model and go B2P precisely because of the situation we are now faced with.

But the larger point is that you are apparently expecting to get something for nothing OP. It is not often I find myself in the position of defending ZOS but I have to say that simply isn't reasonable. For the cost of a sub you'll GET all the new content, just as you do in WOW. Stop paying your sub and the content goes away but you can still play the vanilla game PLUS any DLC you have purchased. With WOW, you stop paying your sub and you lose access to the ENTIRE game.

So what does ZOS intend to do to "keep" players who no longer add to their revenue stream? Nothing, I would imagine. Nor should they.

To those of us who DO continually add to their revenue stream.... they need to be treating us a little better.

Smasherx74 · August 2016

Giles.floydub17_ESO wrote: »

@Smasherx74

It seems you already discovered what Zos is doing to keep you. They are adding content of which you have purchased 2 DLC of content.

There will never be free content. There never has been free content. This isn't a F2P game. Though thei will offer packages of the older DLC at a discount. Eventually.

Craglorn was free to all players who played the gamer after pay to play.

Drakoleon · August 2016

OR you can buy the new special edition all DLC inclusive !!!! for 59.99$ And then you can laugh with all those idiots (including myself) paying monthly sub for 2.5 years

DHale · August 2016

I would close the account and say thank you for all you did or us which was sub for a year and by a couple of dlc while we gave you 1000 s of hours of fun and laughs.

Callous2208 · August 2016

Read the op three times. Still don't get it. Maybe I R Dumb. The limitless content of WoW thing did make me chuckle though.

CapnPhoton · August 2016

dennissomb16_ESO wrote: »

I just assumed this was a troll post. Play ESO for free and complain that you don't get the same as WoW where you have to pay $15.00 monthly subscription and buy the expansions that come every 2 years. Go to the wow forums and read about the complaints of the people who run out of anything to do for a year when nothing new comes out between year 1 and the following year waiting for the next expansion.

Agreed. Everyone should just ignore these things and go play...

sickboy2808 · August 2016

They updated the Trials to max level. I think thats a pretty big update for free dont u think?

Smasherx74 · August 2016

Callous2208 wrote: »

Read the op three times. Still don't get it. Maybe I R Dumb. The limitless content of WoW thing did make me chuckle though.

Never could finish WoW not a single character ever got to max level because I'm a casual player. I went back to WoW every expansion but never stuck with it, each time there was limitless content.

ESO I finished all of the faction quests during beta... After launch I pretty much did everything.

Now all I do is do pledges, and trials if I have a good group of people. Sometimes I'll go to PVP but the lag is too terrible. The games content is non-existent for me, it's all the same thing. I'd rather have a bunch of generic quests in new zones than replaying the same old *** for years. This may be an elder scrolls, but it's also a mmo...

ADarklore · August 2016

Giles.floydub17_ESO wrote: »

@Smasherx74

It seems you already discovered what Zos is doing to keep you. They are adding content of which you have purchased 2 DLC of content.

There will never be free content. There never has been free content. This isn't a F2P game. Though thei will offer packages of the older DLC at a discount. Eventually.

Even on a F2P game, all you get is the 'original' content, you still have to pay for new content as well as many other things. Most MMOs these days have gone to 'micro transactions' and away from mandatory subscriptions, they've discovered that it's more cost effective to charge people for convenience items and DLCs than it is to offer an 'all-inclusive' subscription.

Back to the OP... You have to remember that ESO is two years old and the first year was spent trying to get the console version to even work so it could be launched... so they didn't have a lot of team left to work on 'future' content. Even the DLCs we did receive were already in progress... I think the news DLC (two dungeons) was the first of the 'new' content they've created. So basically we had console launch, ESO's team went to work on finishing the DLCs that were already in progress, and now they're shifted from content development back to re-working the original game as in "One Tamriel". Once OT is finished, perhaps the devs will go back to working on larger DLCs, which I'd expect to receive once a year, with the 'small content packs' being released in-between. Even still, nothing will ever be released for free.

ADarklore · August 2016

Drakoleon wrote: »

OR you can buy the new special edition all DLC inclusive !!!! for 59.99$ And then you can laugh with all those idiots (including myself) paying monthly sub for 2.5 years

That's great if you don't want crafting bags and free-to-dye ability for costumes, and more ESO+ exclusives coming. So us continuing subbers are the ones 'laughing' when all the non-subs start crying about ESO+ exclusivity.

idk · August 2016

Smasherx74 wrote: »

Giles.floydub17_ESO wrote: »

@Smasherx74

It seems you already discovered what Zos is doing to keep you. They are adding content of which you have purchased 2 DLC of content.

There will never be free content. There never has been free content. This isn't a F2P game. Though thei will offer packages of the older DLC at a discount. Eventually.

Craglorn was free to all players who played the gamer after pay to play.

Moot point as Craglorn is part of the base game when it went P2P.

Seriously, this is not the most entitlement based post I've seen but close. Games with decent content require some payment to keep the content coming. Either via sub or via purchase of dlc.

If you want free content go play a free game like Neverwinter and enjoy the sub par content and the very strong P2W theme of the game.

TheDarkoil · August 2016

I'm confused, do current WOW players get new expansions for free? If not your comparison is absolutely pointless.

Nebthet78 · August 2016

MornaBaine wrote: »

WoW still requires you to sub. That's how they pay for those nifty expansions. I and many others wish ZOS had NOT decided to give up the sub model and go B2P precisely because of the situation we are now faced with.

But the larger point is that you are apparently expecting to get something for nothing OP. It is not often I find myself in the position of defending ZOS but I have to say that simply isn't reasonable. For the cost of a sub you'll GET all the new content, just as you do in WOW. Stop paying your sub and the content goes away but you can still play the vanilla game PLUS any DLC you have purchased. With WOW, you stop paying your sub and you lose access to the ENTIRE game.

So what does ZOS intend to do to "keep" players who no longer add to their revenue stream? Nothing, I would imagine. Nor should they.

To those of us who DO continually add to their revenue stream.... they need to be treating us a little better.

I completely agree with this. You have what you paid for. If you don't want to pay for the content then you have no one else but yourself to blame because this is not a F2P game. It is B2P.

Right now there is a Crown Sale on until Aug 9th, (consoles and pc). You can get a 5500 Crown pack for like $25USD and can buy the last 3 DLC with it. That's less than 2 months of a sub for all that content.

Ghost-Shot · August 2016

Bouldercleave wrote: »

With Wow, you also have a *** game engine with *** poor cartoon graphics. I couldn't even play that POS past the 7 day free trial.

This business model appears to be working well for them. If client base starts to dwindle, rest assured that they will make adjustments.

It's their company, and their game. It lives and/or dies by their decisions.

There is no 7 day trial, its free to level 20. I don't think you know what you're talking about here.

Lysette · August 2016

tryia3b14a_ESO wrote: »

This game does a really good job of insentivising people to subscribe instead of punishing them for not subscribing.

Also I agree with the above poster about the Cyrodiil pvp. I could play it for hours every day and never get bored. It's dynamic and engaging and there are tangible rewards (experience, loot, currency) for participating. This is a great example of something that can keep vanilla players engaged.

One the fundamental concepts of game development is that players can consume your content at a significantly quicker pace than you can ever develop it, so having something were players make their own experience (RP, Pvp, etc) adds a lot of value.

This is true, and in a real sand box game, you get just the world and the game mechanics and then you will find your own destiny in the game - if there are lots of opportunities, gameplay will emerge which comes from the players and is run by the players and this makes it an endlessly enjoyable game. But ESO is more of a theme park than a sand box, so it does not really apply to it - well, the PvP part is somewhat emergent gameplay, but as well not really, you have fixed keeps and you cannot really have an impact on the world as a player - different from sand box games, where your influence matters.

Lysette · August 2016

Drakoleon wrote: »

OR you can buy the new special edition all DLC inclusive !!!! for 59.99$ And then you can laugh with all those idiots (including myself) paying monthly sub for 2.5 years

There have always to be early adopters to make things going - if you are one of the first you will have to pay for things which the next generation of players will get for free or nearly free. This is everywhere this way, in real life as well. Think of graphic cards for example - who wants the latest technology has to pay serious money for it, whereas a year later common Joe can buy it for a couple of dollars. This is just how things are in the world - be it virtual or real.

Rayya_Blackheart · August 2016

OP, then maybe this game's model isn't for you. By design it's meant to allow your casual player to put the game down, come back for a new DLC now and then, and go about their merry way.

Callous2208 · August 2016

Smasherx74 wrote: »

Callous2208 wrote: »

Read the op three times. Still don't get it. Maybe I R Dumb. The limitless content of WoW thing did make me chuckle though.

Never could finish WoW not a single character ever got to max level because I'm a casual player. I went back to WoW every expansion but never stuck with it, each time there was limitless content.

ESO I finished all of the faction quests during beta... After launch I pretty much did everything.

Now all I do is do pledges, and trials if I have a good group of people. Sometimes I'll go to PVP but the lag is too terrible. The games content is non-existent for me, it's all the same thing. I'd rather have a bunch of generic quests in new zones than replaying the same old *** for years. This may be an elder scrolls, but it's also a mmo...

Wait, what? I didn't play WoW until WoD came out and did it then just to say, "Hey I played WoW before." Playing super casually I beat all the past content and all the new content and had top end gearscore in one months time. I just sat in my Garrison doing nothing or ran old raids you could solo to try and get a rare mount drop. WoW is the most casually friendly streamlined to max level game there is. Sounds like you barely played it, then came to ESO and hardcored it. And besides, you're comparing content of a 10 plus year old mmo to a two year old one?

Smasherx74 · August 2016

Callous2208 wrote: »

Smasherx74 wrote: »

Callous2208 wrote: »

Read the op three times. Still don't get it. Maybe I R Dumb. The limitless content of WoW thing did make me chuckle though.

Never could finish WoW not a single character ever got to max level because I'm a casual player. I went back to WoW every expansion but never stuck with it, each time there was limitless content.

ESO I finished all of the faction quests during beta... After launch I pretty much did everything.

Now all I do is do pledges, and trials if I have a good group of people. Sometimes I'll go to PVP but the lag is too terrible. The games content is non-existent for me, it's all the same thing. I'd rather have a bunch of generic quests in new zones than replaying the same old *** for years. This may be an elder scrolls, but it's also a mmo...

Wait, what? I didn't play WoW until WoD came out and did it then just to say, "Hey I played WoW before." Playing super casually I beat all the past content and all the new content and had top end gearscore in one months time. I just sat in my Garrison doing nothing or ran old raids you could solo to try and get a rare mount drop. WoW is the most casually friendly streamlined to max level game there is. Sounds like you barely played it, then came to ESO and hardcored it. And besides, you're comparing content of a 10 plus year old mmo to a two year old one?

Yep I did it all backwards, hardcored the casual scrolls, but casualled the World of Numbers.

Francescolg · August 2016

Smasherx74 wrote: »

How will they increase their play time after they've became emperor, played 100% of faction quests, done every dungeon, gotten every set piece for builds, so whats next?

Are we expected to run the same old *** over and over again lol? (...) So what does ZOS plan to do to keep it's returning players who don't pay for extra content? Will there ever be a single piece of free content ever again? Is this game 100% price gouging? (...) how about actually giving a damn about your player base?

I don't share your pessimism, all PvE-content focused games need you to buy expansion packs or to be a subscriber for new pve-content, no pay - no pve content. But, beside of that, there is the "PvP world of ESO", which is free to play and there is as good as nothing comparable (except DAOC) on the market, so, YES, ESO fills this unique niche of PvP, that no other game on the market offers (actual mmorpgs). Guild Wars, aswell as WoW, is a joke, compared to ESO/DAOC pvp. ESO pvp variies every day, every minute. The action and the content and the experienced are orchastrated by the players and not by some simple scripts, which make some "..." (I won't write it) people so happy about what they do in pve, to have achieved goals as vMSA, trials, etc. (all nonsense for me!)

I, very sincerely, have played MMORPGs too long and I always have to laugh, deeply and head-shaking, about this "pve-wh__es", who really think progress in PvE is SOOO good.. (doesn't matter if alone or social). Let me tell you: Doing PvE in MMORPGS has no, and I mean absolutely NO, deeper sense.. Time used to practice trials or even vVMA is wasted time for me, imho... I won't specify, as I don't want to discuss this.. PvP forever! (let people play the way they like!)

Smasherx74 · August 2016

Francescolg wrote: »

Smasherx74 wrote: »

How will they increase their play time after they've became emperor, played 100% of faction quests, done every dungeon, gotten every set piece for builds, so whats next?

Are we expected to run the same old *** over and over again lol? (...) So what does ZOS plan to do to keep it's returning players who don't pay for extra content? Will there ever be a single piece of free content ever again? Is this game 100% price gouging? (...) how about actually giving a damn about your player base?

I don't share your pessimism, all PvE-content focused games need you to buy expansion packs or to be a subscriber for new pve-content, no pay - no pve content. But, beside of that, there is the "PvP world of ESO", which is free to play and there is as good as nothing comparable (except DAOC) on the market, so, YES, ESO fills this unique niche of PvP, that no other game on the market offers (actual mmorpgs). Guild Wars, aswell as WoW, is a joke, compared to ESO/DAOC pvp. ESO pvp variies every day, every minute. The action and the content and the experienced are orchastrated by the players and not by some simple scripts, which make some "..." (I won't write it) people so happy about what they do in pve, to have achieved goals as vMSA, trials, etc. (all nonsense for me!)

I, very sincerely, have played MMORPGs too long and I always have to laugh, deeply and head-shaking, about this "pve-wh__es", who really think progress in PvE is SOOO good.. (doesn't matter if alone or social). Let me tell you: Doing PvE in MMORPGS has no, and I mean absolutely NO, deeper sense.. Time used to practice trials or even vVMA is wasted time for me, imho... I won't specify, as I don't want to discuss this.. PvP forever! (let people play the way they like!)

MMORPG quests are some of the best quests I've played in RPGs.

cjthibs · August 2016

Smasherx74 wrote: »

Francescolg wrote: »

Smasherx74 wrote: »

How will they increase their play time after they've became emperor, played 100% of faction quests, done every dungeon, gotten every set piece for builds, so whats next?

Are we expected to run the same old *** over and over again lol? (...) So what does ZOS plan to do to keep it's returning players who don't pay for extra content? Will there ever be a single piece of free content ever again? Is this game 100% price gouging? (...) how about actually giving a damn about your player base?

I don't share your pessimism, all PvE-content focused games need you to buy expansion packs or to be a subscriber for new pve-content, no pay - no pve content. But, beside of that, there is the "PvP world of ESO", which is free to play and there is as good as nothing comparable (except DAOC) on the market, so, YES, ESO fills this unique niche of PvP, that no other game on the market offers (actual mmorpgs). Guild Wars, aswell as WoW, is a joke, compared to ESO/DAOC pvp. ESO pvp variies every day, every minute. The action and the content and the experienced are orchastrated by the players and not by some simple scripts, which make some "..." (I won't write it) people so happy about what they do in pve, to have achieved goals as vMSA, trials, etc. (all nonsense for me!)

I, very sincerely, have played MMORPGs too long and I always have to laugh, deeply and head-shaking, about this "pve-wh__es", who really think progress in PvE is SOOO good.. (doesn't matter if alone or social). Let me tell you: Doing PvE in MMORPGS has no, and I mean absolutely NO, deeper sense.. Time used to practice trials or even vVMA is wasted time for me, imho... I won't specify, as I don't want to discuss this.. PvP forever! (let people play the way they like!)

MMORPG quests are some of the best quests I've played in RPGs.

You haven't played many good single-player RPG's then.
The writing in old BioWare and Black Isle single-player RPG's, for example, eclipses ANY MMO's, hands-down. (Even their own MMO, TOR.)

The crap that passes for writing in most games post 2000 is just that, crap.

That said, ESO does have some of the best writing I've seen in an MMO.

KochDerDamonen · August 2016

Smasherx74 wrote: »

Okay so personally I have bought 2 dlcs but that beside the point, what does ZOS plan to do for complete Vanilla players. How will they increase their play time after they've became emperor, played 100% of faction quests, done every dungeon, gotten every set piece for builds, so whats next?

Are we expected to run the same old *** over and over again lol? With WoW we had expansions every few years, there was a limitless supply of END GAME CONTENT. With eso we got JACK ***.

Stop right here. In WoW, all players pay a REQUIRED sub fee per month. In ESO, the vanilla game and expansions are yours along with free access to the servers as long as you buy them once. The only thing you lose by not being a subscriber/dropping it are some buffs to xp/gold, and the ability to dye your costumes freely. The comparison is not there.

100%ing all vanilla content is already quite a lot for the entry fee, and you don't have to pay to play it online either. Ever. You can log on as long as there is servers left to log into.