I played since launch, paid for a year, never bought extra content. ZOS what will you do to keep me?

Smasherx74

Okay so personally I have bought 2 dlcs but that beside the point, what does ZOS plan to do for complete Vanilla players. How will they increase their play time after they've became emperor, played 100% of faction quests, done every dungeon, gotten every set piece for builds, so whats next?

Are we expected to run the same old *** over and over again lol? With WoW we had expansions every few years, there was a limitless supply of END GAME CONTENT. With eso we got JACK ***. So what does ZOS plan to do to keep it's returning players who don't pay for extra content? Will there ever be a single piece of free content ever again? Is this game 100% price gouging? That's as bad as pay to win imo. ZOS you'll lose numbers in the next few years if you don't give the non-subscribed/paid for content players something to work with. A single zone for each dlc, or just two dungeons isn't enough. You guys got to get with the picture, we need more content for returning players.

I have no idea about the statistics of this game, but I can safely assume within the next months there will be a decline of players if things continue as they are. Unplayable console content, and lack of vanilla content in general. It's cool to get a paycheck to buy your kids and the studio more toys, but how about actually giving a damn about your player base?

Bouldercleave

With Wow, you also have a *** game engine with *** poor cartoon graphics. I couldn't even play that POS past the 7 day free trial.

This business model appears to be working well for them. If client base starts to dwindle, rest assured that they will make adjustments.

It's their company, and their game. It lives and/or dies by their decisions.

wayfarerx

Out of curiosity, if you don't want to buy any "extra" content, why exactly should ZOS care if you stay around? A MMO overflowing with people that don't pay a dime to keep it going will be just as dead as one with no players.

Or do you expect the players who do pay to subsidize your freebies?

Lysette

This attitude is hard to understand to me - you said you did never buy extra content - so basically you just bought the game and were subscribed as long as this was obligatory. Then you stopped paying, I guess, when it was no longer obligatory. You have further access to the base game. Basically since then you pay nothing anymore - why do you think, they would need to give you extra content, if you do not contribute to the game anymore?- You got what you paid for - the base game and you get updates to the base game for free. But new content is most likely not included in the base game - that will be all DLC content, for customers, who intend to either pay for this new content or who are subscribers. I really don't see, how you could come to the idea, that ZOS would have to care about people, who have no intention to contribute to the game in future.

No pun intended - just my opinion.

Volrion

Just sub man. It's only 15 bucks lol

WldKarde

No offense, but it sounds like you got what you "paid" for and have grown tired of it.

Either that or I've misread your post and what you are trying to say is...



Either way...thanks for sharing

Farmerr

Probably counting on you to impulse buy the costumes, pets, and mounts along with all the other junk in the crown store.

As a vanilla player myself, I've always wondered what's stopping people from subscribing to ESO Plus for a month and binging all the DLC content - not tried this because I'm cheap

I've read Orsinium advances the story a little, again i'm cheap and haven't bought it, but that should be free to keep players and incoming players interested like you suggest. Instead, we got Cadwell's Almanac, and yeah PvP can get old fast.

You would think enhancing the game every quarter or so would keep a steady stream of buyers from the vanilla only crowd, but maybe they really need that money from subscribers and DLC buyers to keep their jobs competitive, keeping the forum moderators and customer support from quitting, holiday bonuses, etc. Idk.

I suppose that's their marketing technique. They're gonna be dying to play the new content after a dry spell and will pay for it. Cha-Ching.

Funkopotamus

The holidays are coming so ESO will see a small jump in population. For right now ZOS can sit back as the only crack dealer on the corner..

In a year or so after more MMOs port over to console ZOS will have to make changes or die. Right now they have the luxury of "If you do not like it... too bad"

Siriana_IthilRakka

Endless end game content in WoW? You're delusional, friend. First, WoW is 15 years old, and still the first thing everyone complains about 2 weeks after every single expansion release is lack of end game content because they rush through it and hit a wall. ESO is 2 years old and already there are 4 expansion packs available. Which you have apparently not bothered with.

Second, WoW still REQUIRES a sub, and you still HAVE to pay for expansion content. WoW also has a cosmetics cash store. It's a poor comparison. With ESO you get your expansions included in the cost of your sub. Or if you're too cheap to sub, you can fork out the extra $20-30 for the DLC once and you're done.

Third - good grief I am sick of the whiners about pay for content in this game. In every game, actually. Microtransactions are the future, I'm afraid. Developers and artists and designers and programmers deserve to get paid for their work just as much as you do. The content in the crown store is entirely optional, you have access to the complete base game for free forever. You don't NEED anything in the Crown store. If you want the things in the Crown store, pony up!

Thealteregoroman

Bouldercleave wrote: »

With Wow, you also have a *** game engine with *** poor cartoon graphics. I couldn't even play that POS past the 7 day free trial.

This business model appears to be working well for them. If client base starts to dwindle, rest assured that they will make adjustments.

It's their company, and their game. It lives and/or dies by their decisions.

THIS!^^^^^^

Lumenn

This is a troll right? Maybe I'm just not getting it but "i won't pay you now give me new content/incentives" sounds like a troll.

SleepyTroll

Don't wow players pay for content? You want free ***?

Recremen

So actually they always release a base-game update along with the DLC update. You'll still get access to fun new systems like poison-making and all that, but if you're not willing to pay for any DLC then you aren't really the kind of person that's needed to be kept around. Like any other MMO, this game is based on providing new, paid-for content.

CapnPhoton

I read a news article a while back where there was talk about banning fast food kid's meal toys. They believe that the toy freebie addition promotes obesity. I'm not sure why this reminds me of that...

Funkopotamus

IMHO.

ESO should have kept the Sub fee.. Even on console..

Then and only then would we actually have a right to complain. Most of this games population is made up of people who pay nothing past the initial game cost. That is one reason why ESO is in the shape it is in. Even when I took my 4 month break I never canceled my ESO+... We cannot expect the game to be perfect and ZOS do it on air alone.

GivvumBoane

I quit reading after the first sentence. You know, the one that says the title is a lie.

IcyDeadPeople

Smasherx74 wrote: »

Okay so personally I have bought 2 dlcs but that beside the point, what does ZOS plan to do for complete Vanilla players. How will they increase their play time after they've became emperor, played 100% of faction quests, done every dungeon, gotten every set piece for builds, so whats next?

Are we expected to run the same old *** over and over again lol? With WoW we had expansions every few years, there was a limitless supply of END GAME CONTENT. With eso we got JACK ***. So what does ZOS plan to do to keep it's returning players who don't pay for extra content? Will there ever be a single piece of free content ever again? Is this game 100% price gouging? That's as bad as pay to win imo. ZOS you'll lose numbers in the next few years if you don't give the non-subscribed/paid for content players something to work with. A single zone for each dlc, or just two dungeons isn't enough. You guys got to get with the picture, we need more content for returning players.

I have no idea about the statistics of this game, but I can safely assume within the next months there will be a decline of players if things continue as they are. Unplayable console content, and lack of vanilla content in general. It's cool to get a paycheck to buy your kids and the studio more toys, but how about actually giving a damn about your player base?

I played without sub since launch of Tamriel Unlimited until recently. Never completed any trials, hardly any dungeons, skipped a lot of quests and delves etc.

The PVP is emergent gameplay. Not sure exactly what it is about the PVP in this game, but I never seem to get bored of it. If you really enjoyed the PVP enough to try to get emperor, you can probably continue in the Cyrodiil open world sandbox setting for a long time.

A few weeks ago, I subscribed in order to get crowns for buying additional character slots. After experiencing the convenience of the infinite crafting bag, I will probably keep subscribing. Imperial City was also fun, and it is convenient to be able to craft set items from DLC crafting stations, like Clever Alchemist, etc. I don't feel any particular need or desire to do quests, dungeons and trials.

tryia3b14a_ESO

This game does a really good job of insentivising people to subscribe instead of punishing them for not subscribing.

Also I agree with the above poster about the Cyrodiil pvp. I could play it for hours every day and never get bored. It's dynamic and engaging and there are tangible rewards (experience, loot, currency) for participating. This is a great example of something that can keep vanilla players engaged.

One the fundamental concepts of game development is that players can consume your content at a significantly quicker pace than you can ever develop it, so having something were players make their own experience (RP, Pvp, etc) adds a lot of value.

NoMoreChillies

you dont pay, why should ZOS care about you?

JD2013

WoW has one expansion a year (or over a year)

ESO gets 4 content updates a year. You get what you pay for. If you pay for no additional content, you'll get no additional content.

With WoW, you have to sub AND pay for the expansion. If you sub here, you get all of the new content to play through.

They also do things with the non paid for content, like scaling old content to you so as you can do trials, introduce poison making etc.

tl;dr : If you want new content, as with any other MMO, pay for it.

Khairiah

Nothing?

Lumenn

Khairiah wrote: »

Nothing?

I still think it's a troll post...

ArchMikem

Smasherx74 wrote: »

With WoW we had expansions every few years, there was a limitless supply of END GAME CONTENT. With eso we got JACK ***. So what does ZOS plan to do to keep it's returning players who don't pay for extra content? Will there ever be a single piece of free content ever again?

And here I thought Expansion Packs cost money just the same as ESO's DLC does. In actuality though, DLC is just the next gen terminology used for what was called Expansion Packs. They're one and the same, and unless WoW REALLY did have absolutely free Expansions, all of it costs money.

It's funny though. I've seen enough of WoW to know that I'd never want to play it, but ESO is something I'll be wanting to play for a very long time.

Sotha_Sil

@Smasherx74

VDSA, Sanctum ophidia, hel ra, Aetherian Archive => all base content and accessible without paying-> all endgame content at the moment since update 11 with endgame gear.... Your argument that there is no end game content for no subscribers is false, you just don't play the game...

mb10

Lmao look at OP trying to hold ZOS at ransom.

Mate, they could lose you right now and it wouldnt hurt their balance books at all.

Ive seen people who have completed all the new dungeons and vDSA etc a day after it came out.
It takes them a while to create this DLC and people steamroll through it all without listening to any of the dialogue or without any interest in the actual lore then moan there isnt DLC often enough.

Look at the forums, most people still havent done Maelstrom arena so I doubt they will target their content to people who finish it within days.

Same with Orsinium, people did that in a day or two but if you ask them anything about the lore they wont have a clue.
Thats the side of things they put a lot of effort to make sure theyre sticking to.


ALSO, how many freaking times do we read a post saying "the game will decline" "the game will be dead soon" every month but its THESE players (like yourself) who "became emperor, played 100% of faction quests, done every dungeon, gotten every set piece for builds" lmao
Its ironic because you people are the players who play the most and the ones that will NEVER leave.

ADarklore

Smasherx74 wrote: »

Okay so personally I have bought 2 dlcs but that beside the point, what does ZOS plan to do for complete Vanilla players. How will they increase their play time after they've became emperor, played 100% of faction quests, done every dungeon, gotten every set piece for builds, so whats next?

Are we expected to run the same old *** over and over again lol? With WoW we had expansions every few years, there was a limitless supply of END GAME CONTENT. With eso we got JACK ***. So what does ZOS plan to do to keep it's returning players who don't pay for extra content? Will there ever be a single piece of free content ever again? Is this game 100% price gouging? That's as bad as pay to win imo. ZOS you'll lose numbers in the next few years if you don't give the non-subscribed/paid for content players something to work with. A single zone for each dlc, or just two dungeons isn't enough. You guys got to get with the picture, we need more content for returning players.

I have no idea about the statistics of this game, but I can safely assume within the next months there will be a decline of players if things continue as they are. Unplayable console content, and lack of vanilla content in general. It's cool to get a paycheck to buy your kids and the studio more toys, but how about actually giving a damn about your player base?

I always find threads interesting when someone creates them, but then never bothers to come back and make any further comments, especially after the majority of comments just destroyed their entire original post.

First and foremost, this is an MMO and it REQUIRES ongoing revenue to keep the game going. If you're not paying for anything, then you don't deserve anything... but ZOS is nice and at least gives you game updates for free. As with ALL MMOs, once new content comes out, that content is devoured and we're left waiting for the next DLC release. ZOS has a small team and they cannot produce huge amounts of content in short order, and right now most of their team is devoted to One Tamriel.

Also, as someone noted, "So what does ZOS plan to do to keep it's returning players who don't pay for extra content?"... the answer is NOTHING, because ZOS doesn't care about people who don't continually add revenue to the game. We always had this same discussion over on DCUO, because all the F2P players would come in an expect all the extras for free, without ever supporting the game... us subscribers would refer to them as leeches... because they brought nothing to the game but a poor demanding attitude, and horrible skills.

So in closing... if you don't plan to support the game, then the game will offer nothing NEW for you, so you might as well move on now and keep looking for a game that allows you to play continually without ever dropping a dime... good luck.

dennissomb16_ESO

I just assumed this was a troll post. Play ESO for free and complain that you don't get the same as WoW where you have to pay $15.00 monthly subscription and buy the expansions that come every 2 years. Go to the wow forums and read about the complaints of the people who run out of anything to do for a year when nothing new comes out between year 1 and the following year waiting for the next expansion.

SantieClaws

Khajiit can offer you a slightly used salmon if it helps?

Yours with paws
Santie Claws

Cogo

Can I have your stuffs?

Smasherx74

Farmerr wrote: »

Probably counting on you to impulse buy the costumes, pets, and mounts along with all the other junk in the crown store.

As a vanilla player myself, I've always wondered what's stopping people from subscribing to ESO Plus for a month and binging all the DLC content - not tried this because I'm cheap

I've read Orsinium advances the story a little, again i'm cheap and haven't bought it, but that should be free to keep players and incoming players interested like you suggest. Instead, we got Cadwell's Almanac, and yeah PvP can get old fast.

You would think enhancing the game every quarter or so would keep a steady stream of buyers from the vanilla only crowd, but maybe they really need that money from subscribers and DLC buyers to keep their jobs competitive, keeping the forum moderators and customer support from quitting, holiday bonuses, etc. Idk.

I suppose that's their marketing technique. They're gonna be dying to play the new content after a dry spell and will pay for it. Cha-Ching.

I agree with 100% you completely, but the only problem I have is the ESO MMO its self. There are a lot of "cheap" mmos, this didn't seem like one at first with the INSANELY HUGE BETA PLAYER LIST. This is an elder scrolls game so we expect content. Don't get me wrong this is a great voice acted MMO with tons of different quest options let alone the great voice acting. Lack of content is what is killing the game for me.

Speaking as an elder scrolls fan since 99/00 with redguard as a kid, I can't see this game being played more than it's available content. Morrowind easily had at least 500-1000 quests

dennissomb16_ESO wrote: »

I just assumed this was a troll post. Play ESO for free and complain that you don't get the same as WoW where you have to pay $15.00 monthly subscription and buy the expansions that come every 2 years. Go to the wow forums and read about the complaints of the people who run out of anything to do for a year when nothing new comes out between year 1 and the following year waiting for the next expansion.

So what if I'm an ESO plus subscriber on console and I'm *** upset I can't play orcinium, or in mobs my game freezes, or in PVP it's unplayable. Then your logic of 15.99 a month paying for the extra content goes down the drain.

Smasherx74

Sotha_Sil wrote: »

@Smasherx74

VDSA, Sanctum ophidia, hel ra, Aetherian Archive => all base content and accessible without paying-> all endgame content at the moment since update 11 with endgame gear.... Your argument that there is no end game content for no subscribers is false, you just don't play the game...

I have to have 11 other people with me to do a single one of those. The only end game content there is for someone whos just doing quests is Craglorn. I had this argument before, ZOS needs more end game content.