Zerok wrote: »

Macros only exist because of animation cancelling.

Either everyone should start using macros or either ZOS should remove animation cancelling. In the end, both solutions will even the playing field.

ZOS offer us in Settings, in Gameplay, "Quick Cast Ground Abilities", the options: On, Automatic, Off.
This makes it possible to one-click a Ground Ability instead of two-click
A real nice improvement in April this year.

Extend it to animation cancelling !
They could also offer us in Gameplay "LA Weaving": Always, not after medium/fully HA, Off.
To make it possible to one-click the Ability and get the LA including animation cancelling and the ability.

Ordinary Joe can now weave without wearing out his finger joints and his keyboard/controller.
High end can continue to medium weave.
People that do not like it can choose Off.

Erock25 wrote: »

Ch4mpTW wrote: »

Rohamad_Ali wrote: »

It's a mute point defending macros anyways . You're breaking the TOS using them . Whether you're in denial that they give and advantage or not . You can get banned for using and suspended for telling others it's ok to use them because you won't get caught . That happened to another guy that raged on other media .

@Rohamad_Ali
BRUH! You know, just like I know people are gonna lie and tell people about the GCD's this and that and how things are just lag oriented. Even if you could be in the most empty of campaigns, with like 500 MB/s internet speed. Lmao. People here on these forums will do and say anything to keep themselves out of hot water, and keep the things that really matter out of view (if it just so happens to effect them and their play style). I've been hit with: Invasion, light attack, heroic slash, bash, and ferocious leap and heavy attack within what seemed like literally a split second relatively recently. But, you know what they're gonna say. It was lag.

Lol that's a perfectly valid and very easy combo to pull off. Your level of misinformation is astounding.

Yeah, these threads always gives me flashbacks to that one guy, who hate-whispered me, calling me a cheater, because i used a Detect Pot to see im crouching around, and then killed him.

There will always be people with 0 understanding of gamemechanics, whose only go-to explanation for anything they do not understand or find weird, will be "cheating"...

CapuchinSeven wrote: »

OdinForge wrote: »

CapuchinSeven wrote: »

It's pretty amusing that people think macros can't do funny, seemingly impossible things in a game.
This is code we're talking about, there are ways around things.

Except that a macro program exists outside of the game, and the simple job of a macro is to automate a key-press. That means it will press a key for you, instead of* your own finger. It doesn't modify game code, it just presses a button for you.

Mate, I have a masters degree in computer science, I don't need someone (especially someone that doesn't understand what's happening) telling me what a macro is.

I will make it very simple for you, because I don't want to give away what some of these work arounds are directly.

There are some combinations/methods of attacking in ESO that if done correctly with correct timing (which a macro will allow without fail) will allow "cheating" of the GCD while charging of attacks at the same time, causing them all to hit at a single moment.

The GCD is just code, code in a game with bugs, written by fallible humans. It is not a law of the universe and people have simply found a way to trick the game. A macro is then used to execute these attacks with a single button press. There have been and are ways to circumvent the GCD using macros.

You are wrong and don't actually understand what it is that you're claiming you're right about but even worse are choosing to be rude and sarcastic.

OdinForge wrote: »

So what kind of "seemingly impossible things" in ESO can you provide as evidence. Someone hit you with a skill and then a light attack afterword, look out there is a god running around Cyrodiil.

You know, there is nothing sillier looking than someone throwing out sarcasm while being wrong.
Exploits to ignore the GCD have been in the game and actually patched away yet here you are claiming the GCD is law.

This here is a video of just one animation bug that enables you to deliver a number of attacks all in one go. There have been and are bugs in the game allowing GCD skipping. Some people stumble onto them accidentally and others are exploiting them.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fBSRbGTQY-c

Erock25 wrote: »

Your macro is more likely to miss than manual input. Have you TRIED macroing in ESO? You seem very confident about something that is obvious you have never even attempted.

No offence but just because you can't do it, doesn't mean it can't be done well.

There is nothing more absurd than the argument i am an IT guy. So many guys suddenly are experts in things, they discuss all of a sudden. I have Seen it countless times. You May be one, but you also probably arent one. Nobody can prove it here so that point is invalid and shouldn't even be mentioned

SwaminoNowlino wrote: »

@Ch4mpTW @Rohamad_Ali @CapuchinSeven @Sharee

Once Again,

What you all are blatantly ignoring to continue your blah blah blah

And once again for people such as yourself.

You can't use a macro to create a hole, but you can use a macro to make an already existing hole usable.

To be clear here, my point is a singular and simple one -

Those saying the GCD must be infallible are wrong.
Those saying a bug with the GCD couldn't be macro'd are wrong.

No iffs no buts. Wrong.

OdinForge wrote: »

The fact that you think this is a macro is laughable, this bug was discovered on the PTS and reported to ZOS a long time ago.

Funny I can now pick out names of the players that just happen to constantly and continually suffer from such a random occurrence.

To be clear again, my point is a singular and simple one -

Those saying the GCD must be infallible are wrong.
Those saying a bug with the GCD couldn't be macro'd are wrong.

Believe or not mate (and honestly, I really don't care if you do) but there are places (unmentionable) out there filled with people who literally just want to hack games, that's how they play them, it's the aim of the game for them, that IS the game.

You remind me of years ago people in Planetside shouting that ROF hacks couldn't possibly be happening because blah blah and so on. Turns out it was a memory edit hack and very much possible yet people raged it couldn't be done and it was a L2P issue.

Again because people seem hard of hearing, my point is that seemingly impossible holes happen and people find ways of exploiting them. Shouting "THE GCD IS LAW!" doesn't change that fact. There HAVE been exploitable holes in ESO, ZOS do their best to close them.

CapuchinSeven wrote: »

SwaminoNowlino wrote: »

@Ch4mpTW @Rohamad_Ali @CapuchinSeven @Sharee

Once Again,

What you all are blatantly ignoring to continue your blah blah blah

And once again for people such as yourself.

You can't use a macro to create a hole, but you can use a macro to make an already existing hole usable.

To be clear here, my point is a singular and simple one -

Those saying the GCD must be infallible are wrong.
Those saying a bug with the GCD couldn't be macro'd are wrong.

No iffs no buts. Wrong.

OdinForge wrote: »

The fact that you think this is a macro is laughable, this bug was discovered on the PTS and reported to ZOS a long time ago.

Funny I can now pick out names of the players that just happen to constantly and continually suffer from such a random occurrence.

To be clear again, my point is a singular and simple one -

Those saying the GCD must be infallible are wrong.
Those saying a bug with the GCD couldn't be macro'd are wrong.

Believe or not mate (and honestly, I really don't care if you do) but there are places (unmentionable) out there filled with people who literally just want to hack games, that's how they play them, it's the aim of the game for them, that IS the game.

You remind me of years ago people in Planetside shouting that ROF hacks couldn't possibly be happening because blah blah and so on. Turns out it was a memory edit hack and very much possible yet people raged it couldn't be done and it was a L2P issue.

Again because people seem hard of hearing, my point is that seemingly impossible holes happen and people find ways of exploiting them. Shouting "THE GCD IS LAW!" doesn't change that fact. There HAVE been exploitable holes in ESO, ZOS do their best to close them.

First off dude you're wrong, you linked a video of an example to prove a point that was wrong. The bug is related to animation changes ZOS made in DB, it didn't exist before DB and it's not exclusive to PC. The bug involves doing an action (usually a gap closer, but not exclusive to gap closing or even 2H) and getting stuck in the initial animation. You press the rest of your buttons while you're stuck in the animation and after you get free your character does all the attacks at once. There is no way to reliably replicate this bug, it just happens.

So no it's not related to macros in any way shape or form, and you cannot use macros to exploit this. Second off the correct term within the scope of ESO is called ICD, which applies to every action. It's not exactly "wrong" to refer to it as a GCD, but being as the combat is dynamic it's internal. This allows for animation canceling, it allows you to "queue" up something like a light attack while in your skill animation. But you can never do both at the same exact time, you can never cast 2 skills within one cool-down. The only time this can happen is by way of a bug, which ZOS introduced with their change to animations, and which was reported in PTS like the first week PTS came out.

A macro exists outside of the in-game code, if you have any evidence of a macro program modifying in-game code please provide it now. The fact that you think this is possible makes me question your background in computer science. In other words stop throwing around your credentials to justify something you're just wrong about.

Further more if you have any actual evidence of someone using macros to their advantage, please link it here as well. If you continue to link Fengrush's bug video, or other videos where someone got killed by lag, you cannot be taken seriously.

OdinForge wrote: »

A macro exists outside of the in-game code, if you have any evidence of a macro program modifying in-game code please provide it now. The fact that you think this is possible makes me question your background in computer science. In other words stop throwing around your credentials to justify something you're just wrong about.

You're either totally unaware of what you're talking about, deliberately claiming I said something in order to fix your argument or simply arguing with so many people you don't know who said what.

Go back, find a SINGLE comment where I said someone writing a macro can alter the source of ESO. I can wait, here's a hint, not only did I not say that, I actually said completely and utterly the total reverse of it.

I will break it down for you A G A I N. I have ONE point in this thread -

There are bugs and holes in software (the game in this case). Exploits are when those holes are used to ill effect (in this case, cheating).

Macros, memory edits, injections etc are all tools used to bring those exploits to bare.

There are bugs in ESO (no one is saying using a macro created those bugs)
Macros (and/or other tools) have been used to exploit those bugs.

Rohamad_Ali wrote: »

The_Outsider wrote: »

Rohamad_Ali wrote: »

The_Outsider wrote: »

Firerock2 wrote: »

L2Pissue wrote: »

many people uses macros
people saying macros giving you no advantage are coming in 3...2..1...
FFS. i can macro my keyboard to click 1 key every 0.01 second? thats 100 keys in one seconds, now tell me again macros are slow and tell me more about the "global cool down"
for your information, you can light or heavy attack shield bash and use skill under 1 second with macros, please tell me again about the global cool down

Please record a video doing 100 attacks in under one second

You're in for a long wait. He doesn't understand what a GCD is, and how it works in this game. You'd think people would just google a GCD before they post a salt-loaded comment about a GCD...

The only way for macros to bypass global cool down is with cheat engine as some of us have watched on video thanks to Zazeer and his friends / associates wat ever . It does not change the fact macros are against the rules and fall in as exploits here as DaryaK noted earlier . You use them and get caught , even on PTS , you get in trouble .

Why this conversation has devolved past what the OP posted , I don't know . I'm guessing some people want to say macros are no big deal ? Idk idc . They're against the rules .

I think it has devolved so far because of the misinformation being spread about. People attribute things they don't understand to the infamous "macro." You and I know that a macro is bound by the coding of the game, but not everyone is aware of that.

It's not that people are defending the use of macros. Most are simply trying to give people a more accurate understanding of what they are actually capable of. I've been in TS with people who yell, "OMG that filthy macro user just killed me," when I watched the event and they just cancelled a heavy attack with a poison injection or something...I get rage tells after executing the simplest of combinations, and honestly it's getting old...

But macro use is common non the less . I believe someone posted earlier it is easy to detect on ZOS's end and they are the ones that do the regulating here not the players . Why does it make you mad ? Zazeer before he left dropped the bomb on tons of people . It's no secret illuminati cult conspiracy theory that toms of people were abusing cheat engine too . It was a fact and it still is a fact today . There will always be people that think they have to one up everyone in a game . ALWAYS . It never goes away . They buy new accounts and try new things all the time . So why get upset at people that learned for a fact they've been cheated ? Who cares if they jump at every shadow . It's ZOS's responsibility to investigate everything and come up with new ways to fight cheating .

Where is the anonymous "Who uses Macros in combat" poll? Apparently more people use them then I thought. I've been through this whole thread and I still don't see the point in it. I don't think I'd get any satisfaction out of killing people with a macro. /shrug

I care. When the shadow is me, and I'm the one being jumped at.

All I've gotten out of this thread is that "macroslice" is a stupid name for something that isn't a macro.

Miszou wrote: »

All I've gotten out of this thread is that "macroslice" is a stupid name for something that isn't a macro.

Ya that is about right, some weirdo was drinking one day while playing the game and experienced a bug.. flipped out and started hitting all their keys at once.. then a few seconds later.. all those events fired off and killed someone. Then the player sat back and said "doood did u see that?" then laughed and the name "macroslicer" was born.

Armitas wrote: »

Elder_Night wrote: »

Is this macroslice?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LXb-ADHdvhc

Why is everything that is broken in this game occur with a two hander? Are they ever going to fix combqt in this game.

Actually, 2h and bow. As I understand it, the most lag immune macros are tied to range restrictions and these two lines have the best rotations based on range. Crit rush --> executioner, magnum shot --> poison arrow, etc.

Are you sure the ICD can not be altered? Answer carefully because most of you are wrong.

Have a nice day.

@CapuchinSeven

I've read every post you've made in this thread.

You suggest situational possibilities but provide no evidence other than "trust me, I'm a professional".

Comparing macros, specifically the type this crowd would be using, to things like code injection and memory edits is misleading and inflammatory.

While you continuously defend a point you have intentionally obsfucated, I would remind you that your point is not the point being discussed. I think we can all agree "anything" is possible, if however unlikely.

The majority of posters standing on their soapboxes in this thread either don't understand how a macro functions in this game when exposed to other game variable or are intentionally inflating the effect of the macro to serve their argument.

The sky is not falling because of macros.

Miszou wrote: »

All I've gotten out of this thread is that "macroslice" is a stupid name for something that isn't a macro.

I'll have to agree with you. I'm sorry but trying to coin an event by calling it "macroslice" not only sounds...well moronic, but it just doesn't make sense. Macro derives from the greek root makros, which means large or long. That video just is a small snippet of a larger stream and a small "slice" of the overall combat. At least go with "microslice", even though it sounds corny just to coin an event in ESO. I guess if he meant to go along the lines of "macroattack" then it would make sense that a series of attacks are chained into one unloading of an animation.