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The amount of people using macros
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✭✭✭✭✭The_Outsider wrote: »Rohamad_Ali wrote: »The_Outsider wrote: »many people uses macros
people saying macros giving you no advantage are coming in 3...2..1...
FFS. i can macro my keyboard to click 1 key every 0.01 second? thats 100 keys in one seconds, now tell me again macros are slow and tell me more about the "global cool down"
for your information, you can light or heavy attack shield bash and use skill under 1 second with macros, please tell me again about the global cool down
Please record a video doing 100 attacks in under one second
You're in for a long wait. He doesn't understand what a GCD is, and how it works in this game. You'd think people would just google a GCD before they post a salt-loaded comment about a GCD...
The only way for macros to bypass global cool down is with cheat engine as some of us have watched on video thanks to Zazeer and his friends / associates wat ever . It does not change the fact macros are against the rules and fall in as exploits here as DaryaK noted earlier . You use them and get caught , even on PTS , you get in trouble .
Why this conversation has devolved past what the OP posted , I don't know . I'm guessing some people want to say macros are no big deal ? Idk idc . They're against the rules .
I think it has devolved so far because of the misinformation being spread about. People attribute things they don't understand to the infamous "macro." You and I know that a macro is bound by the coding of the game, but not everyone is aware of that.
It's not that people are defending the use of macros. Most are simply trying to give people a more accurate understanding of what they are actually capable of. I've been in TS with people who yell, "OMG that filthy macro user just killed me," when I watched the event and they just cancelled a heavy attack with a poison injection or something...I get rage tells after executing the simplest of combinations, and honestly it's getting old...
But macro use is common non the less . I believe someone posted earlier it is easy to detect on ZOS's end and they are the ones that do the regulating here not the players . Why does it make you mad ? Zazeer before he left dropped the bomb on tons of people . It's no secret illuminati cult conspiracy theory that toms of people were abusing cheat engine too . It was a fact and it still is a fact today . There will always be people that think they have to one up everyone in a game . ALWAYS . It never goes away . They buy new accounts and try new things all the time . So why get upset at people that learned for a fact they've been cheated ? Who cares if they jump at every shadow . It's ZOS's responsibility to investigate everything and come up with new ways to fight cheating .Edited by Rohamad_Ali on August 5, 2016 5:13AM3 -
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There is NOT a 1 second cooldown between activating a light attack, an ability, a bash, and an ultimate. They can all be fired off instantly, all 4 at virtually the same time. And pressing 4 buttons perfectly within milliseconds everytime (under pressure, sleepy, drunk, distracted, whatever) will never be easier than pressing 1 button.
Yeah but there is a 1 second cooldown before you can perform that sequence again,
Who cares? If i attack from stealth using ambush/light attack/bash/incap strike my target will be mostly dead, i do not need to repeat the macro twice. Likewise, i can fear, then 1 second later fire 4 attacks simultaneously - very few will survive that.you gain absolutely zero advantage over someone who manually inputs ...
You gain the advantage of never missing a keystroke in a critical situation. This is the 3rd time i'm saying this btw.
Your macro is more likely to miss than manual input.
Now that just absolutely does not make any sense. 4 attacks(light/ability/bash/ult) fired off with exact timing aren't any more likely to miss than if i tried to do the timing manually (and probably failed, since i am not a machine).
Sharee you've obviously never tested a macro and you are not factoring lag, and timing. Here is where your arguement falls apart. Macros are very sensitive to timing and latency. To try and execute a macro string of your length doesn't work. As ping fluctuates the timing and affects the macro. the macro can't adjust. So what do I mean. Take the example in Increased ping. Because the timing interval is set in a macro between attacks, the animation canceling doesn't execute as desired. As humans we can adjust on the fly to latency changes and lag. We can predict changes and adjust our animation canceling based on how responsive or unresponsive the game is. Macro is only effective in your combination if the canceling works. If the canceling doesn't work your at a disadvantage compared to someone who has learned how to manually do it. In cyrodil, with latency constantly going up and down macroing is a disadvantage. The other thing is macros force you to complete a rotation. Once you execute your stuck with it, until it finishes. When a human has control, we can adjust on the fly. Again another example of a disadvantage.
The rotation you are proposing wouldn't work and here's why. We use ambush for example. The timing on ambush changes. If I am 22 meters away and set my macro to execute the bash attack after I initiate the ambush for 1000ms , (because 1000ms is the time needed to execute the bash attack after I cover 22 meters) do you think that same macro rotation would work if I execute ambush from 5 meters away? No. Do to shorter distance 1000ms would be to long of a delay. To much time has elapsed. From 5 meters away the timing between ambush and Bash would need to be adjusted for 500ms to be effective. Humans can make that calculation on the fly. Not a macro. The game is dynamic. Macros are not.
Regardless, this thread is pointless. Zos can't detect macro use unless they installed a third party agent on your computer. How would they justify s ban? They can't prove that someone macroed versus doing it manually. People can spam manual key clicks just as fast as a macro.
The last thing I'll say is, the problem is not macro. As fengrush pointed out the problem is exploiting gap closer bugs to bypass global cool downs to execute multiple attacks. You can do this without macros. This bug has existed since launch. NB were abusing this with ambush and camaflauged hunter. Zos changed camaflauged hunter so you can no longer abuse. Then people were busing it with snipe. Ever get hit with 2 snipes in one second? I have and it wasn't do to lag. Now, People are currently abusing this with poison injection, crit Rush, dizzying swing and reverse slice. Why do you think everyone is running poison injection, crit Rush, dizzying swing, and reverse slice?
People should be more outraged against this "macro slice" than macros in general, that do not provide an advantage.Edited by LegacyDM on August 5, 2016 6:03AMLegacy of Kain
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There is NOT a 1 second cooldown between activating a light attack, an ability, a bash, and an ultimate. They can all be fired off instantly, all 4 at virtually the same time. And pressing 4 buttons perfectly within milliseconds everytime (under pressure, sleepy, drunk, distracted, whatever) will never be easier than pressing 1 button.
Yeah but there is a 1 second cooldown before you can perform that sequence again,
Who cares? If i attack from stealth using ambush/light attack/bash/incap strike my target will be mostly dead, i do not need to repeat the macro twice. Likewise, i can fear, then 1 second later fire 4 attacks simultaneously - very few will survive that.you gain absolutely zero advantage over someone who manually inputs ...
You gain the advantage of never missing a keystroke in a critical situation. This is the 3rd time i'm saying this btw.
Your macro is more likely to miss than manual input.
Now that just absolutely does not make any sense. 4 attacks(light/ability/bash/ult) fired off with exact timing aren't any more likely to miss than if i tried to do the timing manually (and probably failed, since i am not a machine).
Sharee you've obviously never tested a macro and you are not factoring lag, and timing. Here is where your arguement falls apart. Macros are very sensitive to timing and latency. To try and execute a macro string of your length doesn't work. As ping fluctuates the timing and affects the macro. the macro can't adjust. So what do I mean. Take the example in Increased ping. Because the timing interval is set in a macro between attacks, the animation canceling doesn't execute as desired. As humans we can adjust on the fly to latency changes and lag. We can predict changes and adjust our animation canceling based on how responsive or unresponsive the game is. Macro is only effective in your combination if the canceling works. If the canceling doesn't work your at a disadvantage compared to someone who has learned how to manually do it. In cyrodil, with latency constantly going up and down macroing is a disadvantage.
If you are capable of adjusting on the fly, you are also capable of judging when a macro would be favorable and when not. Nothing is stopping you from using attacks manually when you judge the environment to be too laggy.
You people act as if having a macro button programmed left you with no option but to use it, lag or not.The other thing is macros force you to complete a rotation. Once you execute your stuck with it, until it finishes. When a human has control, we can adjust on the fly. Again another example of a disadvantage.
You obviously would only use a macro in situations where being forced to complete a rotation carries no disadvantage, because you want to complete it. Such as immediately after your opponent got feared, and you need to unload as many attacks as possible before he can break free and start blocking again. Or when you always use two abilities in a sequence, like igneous shield and vigor.
Also, if i was using macros i would use them for very short sequences that do not involve waiting for GCD, like chaining together basic attack/skill/bash/ult. This can be performed nearly instantly, without making you "stuck with it until it finishes".The rotation you are proposing wouldn't work and here's why. The timing on ambush changes. If I am 22 meters away and set my macro to execute the light attack after I initiate the ambush for 1000ms , (because 1000ms is the time needed to execute the light attack after I cover 22 meters) do you think that same macro rotation would work if I execute ambush from 5 meters away? No. Do to shorter distance 1000ms would be to long of a delay. To much time has elapsed. From 5 meters away the timing between ambush and LA would need to be adjusted for 500ms to be effective. Humans can make that calculation on the fly. Not a macro. The game is dynamic. Macros are not.
So you just leave the ambush out of the macro, and ambush manually, then hit the macro to flawlessly perform the rest of the sequence. There being a particular situation that you cannot program a macro for does not automatically make all macros useless.
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xblackroxe✭✭✭✭✭Elder_Night wrote: »
Nope nothing fishy here 4 attacks in 4 seconds with merciless charge being a dot induced by getting hit by critrush
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✭✭✭✭✭Macros only exist because of animation cancelling.
Either everyone should start using macros or either ZOS should remove animation cancelling. In the end, both solutions will even the playing field.
Since everything can be macro'd ingame, might as well delete the entire game. #Logic.
Nope, you don't change mechanic because of potential macro abuse, you just add a 3rd party or client-side keyboard input pattern detector.
For those who don't understand: a macro is a series of different keyboard inputs with specific timers. A "pattern" qualifies as a macro'd sequence of inputs. Say a macro presses 1, waits 0.01 second, presses 2, waits 0.01 seconds... all until it presses the "5" button, this is a pattern. It's impossible for a human person to repeat this exact sequence with those precise timers multiple times in a row (we're talking about sub 1% margin), thus if a pattern is detected, the person is very likely macro'ing.
Not if you use rand wait times. And making an "advanced" macro isnt so complicated, probably you could even make macro that checks delay between you and server to adapt wait times (probably as I never tried this). You even dont have to have gaming mouse or keybd as there is freeware soft that allows to do sucha things (I was using it for key rebinding, e.g. with just 5 button mouse I used to have 20 hotkeys), I will not type here name of that soft as macros are bad for online gaming, and should be punished.Edited by Mayrael on August 5, 2016 8:32AMI'm done with this game because of ZOS pushing us into Vengeance, because they don't know how to fix Cyrodiil.1 -
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There is NOT a 1 second cooldown between activating a light attack, an ability, a bash, and an ultimate. They can all be fired off instantly, all 4 at virtually the same time. And pressing 4 buttons perfectly within milliseconds everytime (under pressure, sleepy, drunk, distracted, whatever) will never be easier than pressing 1 button.
Yeah but there is a 1 second cooldown before you can perform that sequence again,
Who cares? If i attack from stealth using ambush/light attack/bash/incap strike my target will be mostly dead, i do not need to repeat the macro twice. Likewise, i can fear, then 1 second later fire 4 attacks simultaneously - very few will survive that.you gain absolutely zero advantage over someone who manually inputs ...
You gain the advantage of never missing a keystroke in a critical situation. This is the 3rd time i'm saying this btw.
Your macro is more likely to miss than manual input.
Now that just absolutely does not make any sense. 4 attacks(light/ability/bash/ult) fired off with exact timing aren't any more likely to miss than if i tried to do the timing manually (and probably failed, since i am not a machine).
Sharee you've obviously never tested a macro and you are not factoring lag, and timing. Here is where your arguement falls apart. Macros are very sensitive to timing and latency. To try and execute a macro string of your length doesn't work. As ping fluctuates the timing and affects the macro. the macro can't adjust. So what do I mean. Take the example in Increased ping. Because the timing interval is set in a macro between attacks, the animation canceling doesn't execute as desired. As humans we can adjust on the fly to latency changes and lag. We can predict changes and adjust our animation canceling based on how responsive or unresponsive the game is. Macro is only effective in your combination if the canceling works. If the canceling doesn't work your at a disadvantage compared to someone who has learned how to manually do it. In cyrodil, with latency constantly going up and down macroing is a disadvantage. The other thing is macros force you to complete a rotation. Once you execute your stuck with it, until it finishes. When a human has control, we can adjust on the fly. Again another example of a disadvantage.
The rotation you are proposing wouldn't work and here's why. We use ambush for example. The timing on ambush changes. If I am 22 meters away and set my macro to execute the bash attack after I initiate the ambush for 1000ms , (because 1000ms is the time needed to execute the bash attack after I cover 22 meters) do you think that same macro rotation would work if I execute ambush from 5 meters away? No. Do to shorter distance 1000ms would be to long of a delay. To much time has elapsed. From 5 meters away the timing between ambush and Bash would need to be adjusted for 500ms to be effective. Humans can make that calculation on the fly. Not a macro. The game is dynamic. Macros are not.
Regardless, this thread is pointless. Zos can't detect macro use unless they installed a third party agent on your computer. How would they justify s ban? They can't prove that someone macroed versus doing it manually. People can spam manual key clicks just as fast as a macro.
The last thing I'll say is, the problem is not macro. As fengrush pointed out the problem is exploiting gap closer bugs to bypass global cool downs to execute multiple attacks. You can do this without macros. This bug has existed since launch. NB were abusing this with ambush and camaflauged hunter. Zos changed camaflauged hunter so you can no longer abuse. Then people were busing it with snipe. Ever get hit with 2 snipes in one second? I have and it wasn't do to lag. Now, People are currently abusing this with poison injection, crit Rush, dizzying swing and reverse slice. Why do you think everyone is running poison injection, crit Rush, dizzying swing, and reverse slice?
People should be more outraged against this "macro slice" than macros in general, that do not provide an advantage.
I would use keydown and keyup events to bypass problem of different times of first animation... Keydown cast ambush, hold and when ready release key so rest of macro executes. As simple as that. And if it goes to delay... Ping server, store result in variable, use it to calculate wait time and youre ok. No you wont convince me that creating an working macro is impossible macroes are here and should be baned.Edited by Mayrael on August 5, 2016 8:43AMI'm done with this game because of ZOS pushing us into Vengeance, because they don't know how to fix Cyrodiil.2 -
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✭✭✭✭xblackroxe wrote: »Elder_Night wrote: »
Nope nothing fishy here 4 attacks in 4 seconds with merciless charge being a dot induced by getting hit by critrush
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✭Elder_Night wrote: »
Nah, that is just regular lag for ya...PC - EU
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xblackroxe✭✭✭✭✭Elder_Night wrote: »
Nah, that is just regular lag for ya...
Its not even lag its 4 abilities in 4 seconds xD Just a normal kill people just can't deal with this sometimes.
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✭✭Elder_Night wrote: »
Nah, that is just regular lag for ya...
Taken from the combat log:[07:05:56] Critical Rush
[07:05:56] Wrecking Blow
[07:05:57] Wrecking Blow
[07:05:57] Executioner
[07:05:58] Executioner
GCD is approximate 0.86 seconds, starts at Crit rush, timers can end at 07:05:58:99
* woops posted a bit early.Edited by Asmael on August 5, 2016 9:01AMPC EU - Zahraji of the Void, aka "Kitty", the fluffiest salmon genocider in town.
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Avenias✭✭✭✭many people uses macros
people saying macros giving you no advantage are coming in 3...2..1...
FFS. i can macro my keyboard to click 1 key every 0.01 second? thats 100 keys in one seconds, now tell me again macros are slow and tell me more about the "global cool down"
for your information, you can light or heavy attack shield bash and use skill under 1 second with macros, please tell me again about the global cool down
Agreed
Its funny to see the macroers come defend macroing with arguments like "you can do it without macros too" so macros are fine...
I see *** like the op describes all the time on pc, and NEVER on console.
Its not possible to do it without macros. If they tell u otherwise, then they are trolling you.1 -
xblackroxe✭✭✭✭✭many people uses macros
people saying macros giving you no advantage are coming in 3...2..1...
FFS. i can macro my keyboard to click 1 key every 0.01 second? thats 100 keys in one seconds, now tell me again macros are slow and tell me more about the "global cool down"
for your information, you can light or heavy attack shield bash and use skill under 1 second with macros, please tell me again about the global cool down
Agreed
Its funny to see the macroers come defend macroing with arguments like "you can do it without macros too" so macros are fine...
I see *** like the op describes all the time on pc, and NEVER on console.
Its not possible to do it without macros. If they tell u otherwise, then they are trolling you.
What exactly isn't possible to do without macros?
Edited by xblackroxe on August 5, 2016 9:17AMMember of HODOR
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✭CapuchinSeven wrote: »It's pretty amusing that people think macros can't do funny, seemingly impossible things in a game.
This is code we're talking about, there are ways around things.
Except that a macro program exists outside of the game, and the simple job of a macro is to automate a key-press. That means it will press a key for you, instead of* your own finger. It doesn't modify game code, it just presses a button for you.
Mate, I have a masters degree in computer science, I don't need someone (especially someone that doesn't understand what's happening) telling me what a macro is.
I will make it very simple for you, because I don't want to give away what some of these work arounds are directly.
There are some combinations/methods of attacking in ESO that if done correctly with correct timing (which a macro will allow without fail) will allow "cheating" of the GCD while charging of attacks at the same time, causing them all to hit at a single moment.
The GCD is just code, code in a game with bugs, written by fallible humans. It is not a law of the universe and people have simply found a way to trick the game. A macro is then used to execute these attacks with a single button press. There have been and are ways to circumvent the GCD using macros.
You are wrong and don't actually understand what it is that you're claiming you're right about but even worse are choosing to be rude and sarcastic.So what kind of "seemingly impossible things" in ESO can you provide as evidence. Someone hit you with a skill and then a light attack afterword, look out there is a god running around Cyrodiil.
You know, there is nothing sillier looking than someone throwing out sarcasm while being wrong.
Exploits to ignore the GCD have been in the game and actually patched away yet here you are claiming the GCD is law.
This here is a video of just one animation bug that enables you to deliver a number of attacks all in one go. There have been and are bugs in the game allowing GCD skipping. Some people stumble onto them accidentally and others are exploiting them.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fBSRbGTQY-cYour macro is more likely to miss than manual input. Have you TRIED macroing in ESO? You seem very confident about something that is obvious you have never even attempted.
No offence but just because you can't do it, doesn't mean it can't be done well.Edited by CapuchinSeven on August 5, 2016 11:10AM4 -
Avenias✭✭✭✭CapuchinSeven wrote: »CapuchinSeven wrote: »It's pretty amusing that people think macros can't do funny, seemingly impossible things in a game.
This is code we're talking about, there are ways around things.
Except that a macro program exists outside of the game, and the simple job of a macro is to automate a key-press. That means it will press a key for you, instead of* your own finger. It doesn't modify game code, it just presses a button for you.
Mate, I have a masters degree in computer science, I don't need someone (especially someone that doesn't understand what's happening) telling me what a macro is.
I will make it very simple for you, because I don't want to give away what some of these work arounds are directly.
There are some combinations/methods of attacking in ESO that if done correctly with correct timing (which a macro will allow without fail) will allow skipping or bypassing of the GCD while charging of attacks at the same time, causing them all to hit at a single moment.
The GCD is just code, code in a game with bugs, written by fallible humans. It is not a law of the universe and people have simply found a way to trick the game. A macro is then used to execute these attacks with a single button press. There have been and are ways to circumvent the GCD using macros.
You are wrong and don't actually understand what it is that you're claiming you're right about but even worse are choosing to be rude and sarcastic.So what kind of "seemingly impossible things" in ESO can you provide as evidence. Someone hit you with a skill and then a light attack afterword, look out there is a god running around Cyrodiil.
You know, there is nothing sillier looking than someone throwing out sarcasm while being wrong.
Exploits to ignore the GCD have been in the game and actually patched away yet here you are claiming the GCD is law.
This here is a video of just one animation bug that enables you to deliver a number of attacks all in one go. There have been and are bugs in the game allowing GCD skipping. Some people stumble onto them accidentally and others are exploiting them.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fBSRbGTQY-cYour macro is more likely to miss than manual input. Have you TRIED macroing in ESO? You seem very confident about something that is obvious you have never even attempted.
No offence but just because you can't do it, doesn't mean it can't be done well.
Yeah macroing is out of control, if u dont macro as well, then u will be at a big disadvantage. This issue should have been addressed a long time ago, its really mind blowing how they didnt fix it yet2 -
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✭✭@CapuchinSeven except the abilities don't ignore the GCD. Using vid linked previously:
https://youtu.be/VG1LEDmyIZk
Check the combat log in the top right corner at about 9 seconds in the vid (we ignore DoTs effects):
+00.02.005: Critical Rush
+00.02.141: Light attack
+00.02.653: Critical Rush
+00.03.216: Light attack
+00.05.426: Dizzying Swing
The only thing is, the animation and health are not synced, but the damage is actually registered by FTC (and the server ofc). By the time the clients resyncs, the target is already dead, not having seen his/her health move.PC EU - Zahraji of the Void, aka "Kitty", the fluffiest salmon genocider in town.
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✭@CapuchinSeven except the abilities don't ignore the GCD. Using vid linked previously.
Yes I know (that's why he slides around for a while on the floor). That's just one example there have been others, some of which I don't want to talk about or detail, the result is the same a very quick death and the player unware or unable to defend themselves from attacks that deliver damage in a very short amount of time. I've changed the wording of my post to better explain what I mean by avoiding the "GCD".
Look at it this way, you can't travel faster than the speed of light, that is an unbreakable rule BUT the USS Enterprise does travel at the speed of light. It does this by cheating and bending/warping/cheating/loopholeing the rules/space so in the end it is traveling faster than the speed of light.
You can't ignore the GCD, but in ESO (like many MMOs before it) you can defiantly find ways to bend the rules. Macros just allow you to pull it off easier.Edited by CapuchinSeven on August 5, 2016 11:20AM1 -
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✭✭This topic is too funny. So many people sure about this and that when they're a hundred percent wrong.You earned the 500 LOLs badge.
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✭This topic is too funny. So many people sure about this and that when they're a hundred percent wrong.
There have been in the past, 100% ways to sidestep the system. The fact people like you deny this and act like code is some how infallible and that no possible method could possibly cheat that code is as funny as the people who claim I can't break into their phones running old firmware because "I have a pin code".
Code is fallible, ESO has bugs. Exploiting it is just a matter of working out where the sidestep around is until it gets patched.
In fact, you know what I'm out. I can only take so much of people telling me there's can't possibly be bugs or that a bug couldn't' be exploited. I have to deal with that enough at work.
Edited by CapuchinSeven on August 5, 2016 11:34AM1 -
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✭✭So why did you post macroslice video then? Why should I take your word on these bugs in the code that are reproducible using a macro? Your example video was of if someone being affected by lag. I'm not a cheat so I dunno, maybe people can purposely induce lag spikes with a lag switch or something and then purposely do a macroslice, but then we should be talking about lag switches and not macros.
The bottom line is, you go out there with a macro in PvP or group pve, you're gonna have a bad time. As long as you can press a few buttons a second, manual input is so so so much more reliable.You earned the 500 LOLs badge.
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✭CapuchinSeven wrote: »This topic is too funny. So many people sure about this and that when they're a hundred percent wrong.
There have been in the past, 100% ways to sidestep the system. The fact people like you deny this and act like code is some how infallible and that no possible method could possibly cheat that code is as funny as the people who claim I can't break into their phones running old firmware because "I have a pin code".
Code is fallible, ESO has bugs. Exploiting it is just a matter of working out where the sidestep around is until it gets patched.
We all agree with you on this. We all know about CE. We all know that it IS indeed possible to cheat in this game - you can fly if you want to.
The Funny part, that @Erock25 is probably referring to, is that people confuse this cheating with the use of Macros. If you use some kind of CE to bypass GCD, and then get a macro to fire of 10 skills in 1 second, it is not really the Macro that is the problem here, now is it?PC - EU
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✭CapuchinSeven wrote: »This topic is too funny. So many people sure about this and that when they're a hundred percent wrong.
There have been in the past, 100% ways to sidestep the system. The fact people like you deny this and act like code is some how infallible and that no possible method could possibly cheat that code is as funny as the people who claim I can't break into their phones running old firmware because "I have a pin code".
Code is fallible, ESO has bugs. Exploiting it is just a matter of working out where the sidestep around is until it gets patched.
We all agree with you on this. We all know about CE. We all know that it IS indeed possible to cheat in this game - you can fly if you want to.
The Funny part, that @Erock25 is probably referring to, is that people confuse this cheating with the use of Macros. If you use some kind of CE to bypass GCD, and then get a macro to fire of 10 skills in 1 second, it is not really the Macro that is the problem here, now is it?
I agree, you can't use a macro to create a hole so to speak, but you can use a macro to make an already existing hole "more usable", for want of a better expression.1 -
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✭✭CapuchinSeven wrote: »CapuchinSeven wrote: »This topic is too funny. So many people sure about this and that when they're a hundred percent wrong.
There have been in the past, 100% ways to sidestep the system. The fact people like you deny this and act like code is some how infallible and that no possible method could possibly cheat that code is as funny as the people who claim I can't break into their phones running old firmware because "I have a pin code".
Code is fallible, ESO has bugs. Exploiting it is just a matter of working out where the sidestep around is until it gets patched.
We all agree with you on this. We all know about CE. We all know that it IS indeed possible to cheat in this game - you can fly if you want to.
The Funny part, that @Erock25 is probably referring to, is that people confuse this cheating with the use of Macros. If you use some kind of CE to bypass GCD, and then get a macro to fire of 10 skills in 1 second, it is not really the Macro that is the problem here, now is it?
I agree, you can't use a macro to create a hole so to speak, but you can use a macro to make an already existing hole "more usable", for want of a better expression.
I don't disagree with that at all.You earned the 500 LOLs badge.
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✭CapuchinSeven wrote: »CapuchinSeven wrote: »This topic is too funny. So many people sure about this and that when they're a hundred percent wrong.
There have been in the past, 100% ways to sidestep the system. The fact people like you deny this and act like code is some how infallible and that no possible method could possibly cheat that code is as funny as the people who claim I can't break into their phones running old firmware because "I have a pin code".
Code is fallible, ESO has bugs. Exploiting it is just a matter of working out where the sidestep around is until it gets patched.
We all agree with you on this. We all know about CE. We all know that it IS indeed possible to cheat in this game - you can fly if you want to.
The Funny part, that @Erock25 is probably referring to, is that people confuse this cheating with the use of Macros. If you use some kind of CE to bypass GCD, and then get a macro to fire of 10 skills in 1 second, it is not really the Macro that is the problem here, now is it?
I agree, you can't use a macro to create a hole so to speak, but you can use a macro to make an already existing hole "more usable", for want of a better expression.
No argument against that.PC - EU
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✭✭✭✭✭Rohamad_Ali wrote: »It's a mute point defending macros anyways . You're breaking the TOS using them . Whether you're in denial that they give and advantage or not . You can get banned for using and suspended for telling others it's ok to use them because you won't get caught . That happened to another guy that raged on other media .
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BRUH! You know, just like I know people are gonna lie and tell people about the GCD's this and that and how things are just lag oriented. Even if you could be in the most empty of campaigns, with like 500 MB/s internet speed. Lmao. People here on these forums will do and say anything to keep themselves out of hot water, and keep the things that really matter out of view (if it just so happens to effect them and their play style). I've been hit with: Invasion, light attack, heroic slash, bash, and ferocious leap and heavy attack within what seemed like literally a split second relatively recently. But, you know what they're gonna say. It was lag.
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✭✭Rohamad_Ali wrote: »It's a mute point defending macros anyways . You're breaking the TOS using them . Whether you're in denial that they give and advantage or not . You can get banned for using and suspended for telling others it's ok to use them because you won't get caught . That happened to another guy that raged on other media .
@Rohamad_Ali
BRUH! You know, just like I know people are gonna lie and tell people about the GCD's this and that and how things are just lag oriented. Even if you could be in the most empty of campaigns, with like 500 MB/s internet speed. Lmao. People here on these forums will do and say anything to keep themselves out of hot water, and keep the things that really matter out of view (if it just so happens to effect them and their play style). I've been hit with: Invasion, light attack, heroic slash, bash, and ferocious leap and heavy attack within what seemed like literally a split second relatively recently. But, you know what they're gonna say. It was lag.
Lol that's a perfectly valid and very easy combo to pull off. Your level of misinformation is astounding.You earned the 500 LOLs badge.
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Once Again,
What you all are blatantly ignoring to continue your narrative is that absolutely everything in this thread, the "macroslice," the multiple attacks all at once, the apparent instagibs ALL. HAPPEN. ON. CONSOLE. CONSTANTLY.
Macroslice is lag, can't reproduce it on command. Happens 2 or 3 times a day by me in PVP and I die to it maybe once every other day. I can hit you with a heavy bow attack, poison injection, ambush, light attack, bash in about 1 second.
Everything your complaining about, everything your misguidedly holding up as "evidence," all of it is present consistently on console. Its part of day to day life in ESO on console.
Even you all I am sure can replicate everything you complain about, without using macros. So, this is all completely ridiculous. Funny thing those facts...
Oh wait, this is off topic. Everyone is cheating. I should never die because I am the best at this game ever. They must be using some special stuff to kill me, because no one can ever kill me. Imma send them all hate whispers... That'll show'em.Xbox NA : CP 160 StamPlar, MagNB, MagSorc, StamSorc, StamDK, StamNB, Level 10 MagDK & MagPlar, StamWarden, MagWarden
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✭✭CapuchinSeven wrote: »CapuchinSeven wrote: »It's pretty amusing that people think macros can't do funny, seemingly impossible things in a game.
This is code we're talking about, there are ways around things.
Except that a macro program exists outside of the game, and the simple job of a macro is to automate a key-press. That means it will press a key for you, instead of* your own finger. It doesn't modify game code, it just presses a button for you.
Mate, I have a masters degree in computer science, I don't need someone (especially someone that doesn't understand what's happening) telling me what a macro is.
I will make it very simple for you, because I don't want to give away what some of these work arounds are directly.
There are some combinations/methods of attacking in ESO that if done correctly with correct timing (which a macro will allow without fail) will allow "cheating" of the GCD while charging of attacks at the same time, causing them all to hit at a single moment.
The GCD is just code, code in a game with bugs, written by fallible humans. It is not a law of the universe and people have simply found a way to trick the game. A macro is then used to execute these attacks with a single button press. There have been and are ways to circumvent the GCD using macros.
You are wrong and don't actually understand what it is that you're claiming you're right about but even worse are choosing to be rude and sarcastic.So what kind of "seemingly impossible things" in ESO can you provide as evidence. Someone hit you with a skill and then a light attack afterword, look out there is a god running around Cyrodiil.
You know, there is nothing sillier looking than someone throwing out sarcasm while being wrong.
Exploits to ignore the GCD have been in the game and actually patched away yet here you are claiming the GCD is law.
This here is a video of just one animation bug that enables you to deliver a number of attacks all in one go. There have been and are bugs in the game allowing GCD skipping. Some people stumble onto them accidentally and others are exploiting them.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fBSRbGTQY-cYour macro is more likely to miss than manual input. Have you TRIED macroing in ESO? You seem very confident about something that is obvious you have never even attempted.
No offence but just because you can't do it, doesn't mean it can't be done well.
You have a degree in being ignorant AF, that is a well known bug with the change to animations in dark brotherhood. It cannot be replicated by any consistent manor.
The fact that you think this is a macro is laughable, this bug was discovered on the PTS and reported to ZOS a long time ago.Edited by OdinForge on August 5, 2016 1:04PMThe Age of Wrobel.1 -
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✭✭✭✭✭SwaminoNowlino wrote: »Macroslice is lag, can't reproduce it on command.
Lag is completely random, you can't reproduce it on command, yet:NovaShadow wrote: »If you play PVP long enough you'll know who uses em by name alone
Funny how that completely random lag affects some particular people so much you begin to recognize them by name, isn't it.Edited by Sharee on August 5, 2016 1:13PM2
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