Stamina regen is SUPER low on my character after patch

mmcgibbo · August 2016

Does anyone know why this happened? I'm a NB Khajiit. Before patch I had like 1700 stamina recovery unbuffed and now I have around 1300 lol. my 1700 was pretty bad to begin with but I made it work with my build but now its just not possible for me to sustain in a fight.

bebynnag · August 2016

there were changes made to how regen & max stats are calculated, it's in the patchnotes... somewhere

mmcgibbo · August 2016

so does that essentially mean that my 1300 will work the same as my 1700? or do you mean it was calculated and nerf bombed stamina recovery to where 1300 is 1300 and your character will now perform more poorly than it did before the patch? @puffytheslayer

SienneYviete · August 2016

From the newest patch notes (2.5.5):

Fixed an issue where percentage bonuses to the same type of stat (Magicka Recovery, Max Magicka, etc.) would stack multiplicatively rather than additively. This will result in some stats changing slightly (generally going down).

Your numbers shown are correct stam recovery has decreased since the patch.

GivvumBoane · August 2016

mmcgibbo wrote: »

so does that essentially mean that my 1300 will work the same as my 1700? or do you mean it was calculated and nerf bombed stamina recovery to where 1300 is 1300 and your character will now perform more poorly than it did before the patch? @puffytheslayer

The latter

GreenSoup2HoT · August 2016

SienneYviete wrote: »

From the newest patch notes (2.5.5):

Fixed an issue where percentage bonuses to the same type of stat (Magicka Recovery, Max Magicka, etc.) would stack multiplicatively rather than additively. This will result in some stats changing slightly (generally going down).

Your numbers shown are correct stam recovery has decreased since the patch.

I don't quiet understand how the numbers for stamina recovery are totaled now. Do all your percentage based bonuses to stats only use the base stat for its calculation then just totaled after?

Phinix1 · August 2016

They really should have added a multiplier to the equation so that when they made this "fix" the end values were closer to what they were before.

Regen was already borderline before, but this change really obliterates a lot of gear sets and builds.

TheDarkoil · August 2016

Ahhhhhhhhhhhhh maaaaannn I thought my magicka was regening slower yesterday.

Lysette · August 2016

GreenSoup2HoT wrote: »

SienneYviete wrote: »

From the newest patch notes (2.5.5):

Fixed an issue where percentage bonuses to the same type of stat (Magicka Recovery, Max Magicka, etc.) would stack multiplicatively rather than additively. This will result in some stats changing slightly (generally going down).

Your numbers shown are correct stam recovery has decreased since the patch.

I don't quiet understand how the numbers for stamina recovery are totaled now. Do all your percentage based bonuses to stats only use the base stat for its calculation then just totaled after?

that basically, otherwise it would be multiplicative - what was changed to additive.

Nhilandra77 · August 2016

aha, I noticed my mage magicka regen was slow. understood. still pretty good with 7 light high elf ring necklace sets etc, but I still noticed the difference

Wolfenbelle · August 2016

Folks, although ZOS did make that math change, yesterday there was something seriously wrong with the game. Stats were fluctuating wildly and often would not change even with a weapon swap. That's why today's hot patch is happening. So it's impossible to know the true impact of the math change based on yesterday's game performance. Hopefully after they get things fixed, the stat changes won't be as severe as they were yesterday.

Rikumaru · August 2016

Wolfenbelle wrote: »

Folks, although ZOS did make that math change, yesterday there was something seriously wrong with the game. Stats were fluctuating wildly and often would not change even with a weapon swap. That's why today's hot patch is happening. So it's impossible to know the true impact of the math change based on yesterday's game performance. Hopefully after they get things fixed, the stat changes won't be as severe as they were yesterday.

Yep, I lost 6% crit yesterday for no reason. Then later on I gained 3% of that crit back.

idk · August 2016

mmcgibbo wrote: »

so does that essentially mean that my 1300 will work the same as my 1700? or do you mean it was calculated and nerf bombed stamina recovery to where 1300 is 1300 and your character will now perform more poorly than it did before the patch? @puffytheslayer

Everything that increases your regen or max stat by % is now done multiplicative vs additive as it was before. This would include CP points. As a result, the increase from these passives and CP end up being less than they were before.

This information, including that the results would be less, are in the patch notes. While they are long, it is always a good idea to read them.

makreth · August 2016

Giles.floydub17_ESO wrote: »

mmcgibbo wrote: »

so does that essentially mean that my 1300 will work the same as my 1700? or do you mean it was calculated and nerf bombed stamina recovery to where 1300 is 1300 and your character will now perform more poorly than it did before the patch? @puffytheslayer

Everything that increases your regen or max stat by % is now done multiplicative vs additive as it was before. This would include CP points. As a result, the increase from these passives and CP end up being less than they were before.

This information, including that the results would be less, are in the patch notes. While they are long, it is always a good idea to read them.

you mean it's now additive as it should be, multiplicative wasn't intented.

Egonieser · August 2016

My stamina regen went down from 2.3k to 1.9k on my Bosmer NB, then some random idiot in Cyrodiil zone chat proceeded to call me a "cancer of PvP" because I like having high regen and sustain and then kept having a go at me in private chat. Like wtf is wrong with people nowadays, and GG ZoS for yet another nerf.

Reorx_Holybeard · August 2016

mmcgibbo wrote: »

Does anyone know why this happened? I'm a NB Khajiit. Before patch I had like 1700 stamina recovery unbuffed and now I have around 1300 lol. my 1700 was pretty bad to begin with but I made it work with my build but now its just not possible for me to sustain in a fight.

It shouldn't have gone down by that much just because of the change to Stamina Recovery. Have you checked that everything else is the same and you haven't changed something or forgot something (like drinks or a broken piece of armor). If you can give your complete build information I can try to see where the large difference comes from.

Izaki · August 2016

Yeah now you can't have 5k weapon damage and 2k recovery anymore. I like it. Its a big balance change to PvP.

Dagoth_Rac · August 2016

Regen bonuses used to be like:

20% bonus + 15% bonus + 10% bonus + 25% bonus + 9% bonus =
1.20 * 1.15 * 1.10 * 1.25 * 1.09 = 2.07

Now it is:
20% bonus + 15% bonus + 10% bonus + 25% bonus + 9% bonus =
1 + 0.20 + 0.15 + 0.10 + 0.25 + 0.09 = 1.79

That is probably a little exaggerated. There were some bonuses already adding together. I think CP regen bonus was biggest culprit for multiplying instead of adding. Nonetheless, it results in a small but definitely noticeable difference. However, it should not drop you all the way from 1700 to 1300. That seems rather extreme.

Alcast · August 2016

Egonieser wrote: »

My stamina regen went down from 2.3k to 1.9k on my Bosmer NB, then some random idiot in Cyrodiil zone chat proceeded to call me a "cancer of PvP" because I like having high regen and sustain and then kept having a go at me in private chat. Like wtf is wrong with people nowadays, and GG ZoS for yet another nerf.

It is a fix, not a nerf.

Actually_Goku · August 2016

Alcast wrote: »

Egonieser wrote: »

My stamina regen went down from 2.3k to 1.9k on my Bosmer NB, then some random idiot in Cyrodiil zone chat proceeded to call me a "cancer of PvP" because I like having high regen and sustain and then kept having a go at me in private chat. Like wtf is wrong with people nowadays, and GG ZoS for yet another nerf.

It is a fix, not a nerf.

Are the two mutually exclusive?

This is essentially a nerf. Changing something to be as it was intended, isn't always a good thing. A lot of folks already have problems with sustain, especially at lower levels. Running out of stamina/magicka is never fun - all you can do is stand there and take it like a b!otch and use light/heavy attacking (yaaaaay)

Change the formula to be a multiplicative one, rather than additive.

Un-nerf FUN! This is a movement! #bufffun

Alcast · August 2016

Actually_Goku wrote: »

Alcast wrote: »

Egonieser wrote: »

My stamina regen went down from 2.3k to 1.9k on my Bosmer NB, then some random idiot in Cyrodiil zone chat proceeded to call me a "cancer of PvP" because I like having high regen and sustain and then kept having a go at me in private chat. Like wtf is wrong with people nowadays, and GG ZoS for yet another nerf.

It is a fix, not a nerf.

Are the two mutually exclusive?

This is essentially a nerf. Changing something to be as it was intended, isn't always a good thing. A lot of folks already have problems with sustain, especially at lower levels. Running out of stamina/magicka is never fun - all you can do is stand there and take it like a b!otch and use light/heavy attacking (yaaaaay)

Change the formula to be a multiplicative one, rather than additive.

Un-nerf FUN! This is a movement! #bufffun

Well, I think it is an positive change, now we will not see ppl with 6k weap dmg and 2k recovery anymore. Which def makes pvp more healthy in my opinion.

AfkNinja · August 2016

Actually_Goku wrote: »

Alcast wrote: »

Egonieser wrote: »

My stamina regen went down from 2.3k to 1.9k on my Bosmer NB, then some random idiot in Cyrodiil zone chat proceeded to call me a "cancer of PvP" because I like having high regen and sustain and then kept having a go at me in private chat. Like wtf is wrong with people nowadays, and GG ZoS for yet another nerf.

It is a fix, not a nerf.

Are the two mutually exclusive?

This is essentially a nerf. Changing something to be as it was intended, isn't always a good thing. A lot of folks already have problems with sustain, especially at lower levels. Running out of stamina/magicka is never fun - all you can do is stand there and take it like a b!otch and use light/heavy attacking (yaaaaay)

Change the formula to be a multiplicative one, rather than additive.

Un-nerf FUN! This is a movement! #bufffun

This change was a good thing. You should not be able to have insane dmg + insane regen. There needs to be a point of diminishing returns and there must be sacrifice. The multiplicative bug was very bad for the game as when adding multiplicative % bonuses the more you add the better each one becomes. Thus percentage bonuses were vastly outperforming cost reduction bonuses (which are additive). This issue would only have gotten worse over time with new sets added.

EsoRecon · August 2016

although this change will make me have to change my wep damage glyphs on my rings to recovery, (which sucks), I am happy about this change because it will help balance the game out more. Hopefully this will somewhat help with the problem of infinite sustain and crazy damage. You gotta choose 1 or the other.

Koolio · August 2016

Just curious as to what you people think. Since everything that wasn't additive with stats was "fixed" shouldn't this be the same

Blessing of the Potentates: Fixed an issue where this item set’s Ultimate cost reduction bonus was not multiplicative with other sources of Ultimate cost reduction.

SPE825 · August 2016

I'm wondering if moving CP into the skill that increases the damage from light and heavy attacks might not be a better use of CP to regen resources (and increase damage) as opposed to something like Mooncalf now.

Edit: never mind, that's over in a different tree.

Edit Again: Tenacity may be better now than Mooncalf?

psychotic13 · August 2016

They said before they wanted fights to last longer this is exactly what's happening, cost increase with DB patch and now this. Requires us to focus more on regen, at the cost of damage.

Less damage + higher regen = longer fights

WreckfulAbandon · August 2016

For a split second, I was disappointed to log onto my Bosmer and see the reduction in regen.

After thinking about it for all of 2 seconds, I was thrilled.

kongkim · August 2016

The nerf if fine. it hit anyone anyway. But maybe now we don't have endless fights

dodgehopper_ESO · August 2016

It also makes heavy attacks more meaningful. Now if they could just add weapon combinations to the game...

altemriel · August 2016

mmcgibbo wrote: »

Does anyone know why this happened? I'm a NB Khajiit. Before patch I had like 1700 stamina recovery unbuffed and now I have around 1300 lol. my 1700 was pretty bad to begin with but I made it work with my build but now its just not possible for me to sustain in a fight.

yes, the *** cp buffs nerf, they changed the way it is calculated.......zos too bad...too bad...

check the patch notes

jedtb16_ESO · August 2016

Actually_Goku wrote: »

Alcast wrote: »

Egonieser wrote: »

My stamina regen went down from 2.3k to 1.9k on my Bosmer NB, then some random idiot in Cyrodiil zone chat proceeded to call me a "cancer of PvP" because I like having high regen and sustain and then kept having a go at me in private chat. Like wtf is wrong with people nowadays, and GG ZoS for yet another nerf.

It is a fix, not a nerf.

Are the two mutually exclusive?

This is essentially a nerf. Changing something to be as it was intended, isn't always a good thing. A lot of folks already have problems with sustain, especially at lower levels. Running out of stamina/magicka is never fun - all you can do is stand there and take it like a b!otch and use light/heavy attacking (yaaaaay)

Change the formula to be a multiplicative one, rather than additive.

Un-nerf FUN! This is a movement! #bufffun

'changing something to be as it was intended, isn't always a good thing.'

wow, that is weird.