What's the highest damage output you've ever seen for one flame whip?
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I'm using the morph flame lash.. The highest I've ever seen mine go is 15k I believe. Everyone compares it to a wet noodle, so I'm curious how high of a number I'm going to see from some of you.
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WhoThenNow7✭✭✭FullBlownBeast wrote: »And who cares about PVE?
Not sure if that's a real question? Or sarcasm? I don't think my question said anything about PVE. I'm asking what the most damage people have seen from a single whip. Get it?2 -
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jeedrzej✭✭✭✭✭But it's PVE. In full raid.
It can be highter a lot. I think even 35k but... Just need a lot of buffs.
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Yep, i have to laugh everytime when some pvper want to buff the base damage of whip Noobplar0 -
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Yep, i have to laugh everytime when some pvper want to buff the base damage of whip
Me too. I would be super happy if my force shock would hit for a compareable amount of damage. Whip is one of the best spammablesAuri-El is my lord,
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Yep, i have to laugh everytime when some pvper want to buff the base damage of whip
Me too. I would be super happy if my force shock would hit for a compareable amount of damage. Whip is one of the best spammables
Definetely, i think puncturing sweeps (including burning light), wrecking blow and rapid strikes are on par or beat whip, but they are all channelled/have a cast time. Funnel health, forcepulse, surprise attack and whatever don't hit that hard iirc.Noobplar1 -
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Yep, i have to laugh everytime when some pvper want to buff the base damage of whip
Me too. I would be super happy if my force shock would hit for a compareable amount of damage. Whip is one of the best spammables
Definetely, i think puncturing sweeps (including burning light), wrecking blow and rapid strikes are on par or beat whip, but they are all channelled/have a cast time. Funnel health, forcepulse, surprise attack and whatever don't hit that hard iirc.
Doesn't really matter if channeled or not. Because this channel is not interruptable and they deal absurd damage.
And we all know, that the cast time for wreckling blow doesn't seem to be true. It's almost spammable.Auri-El is my lord,
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✭✭True, but if you have to block inbetween, whip does the full damage whereas the other three don't.Noobplar1 -
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✭✭✭✭The reason it hits like a wet noodle is that in PvE you have a tank taking all your damage while standing in a banner, in PvP you don't, you have to be your own tank/healer, and dps, account for your own sustain and balance your action bar around a skill that requires an entourage of abilities like talons and engulfing flames to compete with similar abilities that don't require an entourage. All of that brings your whip down to noodle damage.Retired.
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✭✭✭✭✭The reason it hits like a wet noodle is that in PvE you have a tank taking all your damage while standing in a banner, in PvP you don't, you have to be your own tank/healer, and dps, account for your own sustain and balance your action bar around a skill that requires an entourage of abilities like talons and engulfing flames to compete with similar abilities that don't require an entourage. All of that brings your whip down to noodle damage.
If whip is noodle damage, then what is force shock ? Wet tissue paper ?
Give me the damage of whip and I will be the happiest mage on tamriel.Auri-El is my lord,
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✭✭✭✭The reason it hits like a wet noodle is that in PvE you have a tank taking all your damage while standing in a banner, in PvP you don't, you have to be your own tank/healer, and dps, account for your own sustain and balance your action bar around a skill that requires an entourage of abilities like talons and engulfing flames to compete with similar abilities that don't require an entourage. All of that brings your whip down to noodle damage.
If whip is noodle damage, then what is force shock ? Wet tissue paper ?
Give me the damage of whip and I will be the happiest mage on tamriel.
Oh you mean with your frags, overload and mages wrath explosion? Force shock is the lower damage morph if you want more damage go with force pulse. The tool tip is lower than whip but whip doesn't come with 10% base penetration. But you missed the entire point of my post that whip is low due to building not tooltip.Retired.
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Yep, i have to laugh everytime when some pvper want to buff the base damage of whip
Never played mag dk and I'm mainly a PVPer so excuse my ignorance, but why do most people from PVP think it's poo/hits like a noodle? Is it actually good or?0 -
Armitas✭✭✭✭✭
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Yep, i have to laugh everytime when some pvper want to buff the base damage of whip
Never played mag dk and I'm mainly a PVPer so excuse my ignorance, but why do most people from PVP think it's poo/hits like a noodle? Is it actually good or?
Its a lengthy explanation, but in short it becomes noodle damage in pvp due to its reduction from viable building, and a lack of exectute or defile in a meta of parallel offense and survival.
Edited by Armitas on August 1, 2016 3:34PMRetired.
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✭✭✭✭✭The reason it hits like a wet noodle is that in PvE you have a tank taking all your damage while standing in a banner, in PvP you don't, you have to be your own tank/healer, and dps, account for your own sustain and balance your action bar around a skill that requires an entourage of abilities like talons and engulfing flames to compete with similar abilities that don't require an entourage. All of that brings your whip down to noodle damage.
If whip is noodle damage, then what is force shock ? Wet tissue paper ?
Give me the damage of whip and I will be the happiest mage on tamriel.
Oh you mean with your frags, overload and mages wrath explosion? Force shock is the lower damage morph if you want more damage go with force pulse. The tool tip is lower than whip but whip doesn't come with 10% base penetration. But you missed the entire point of my post that whip is low due to building not tooltip.
Frags is not a spammable ability and mage's wrath is merely an execute (and a very bad one)
Overload is not very handy. You have to activate it first and enemies will instantly start dodging, reflecting or going very offensive against you. It's an ultimate afterall and requires dedication. Which means, you must focus on overload and can't use other ultimates. So yea, not good.
I'm speaking about normal spammable abilities such as force pulse and lash. And lash is worlds stronger than force pulse.
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✭✭✭✭The reason it hits like a wet noodle is that in PvE you have a tank taking all your damage while standing in a banner, in PvP you don't, you have to be your own tank/healer, and dps, account for your own sustain and balance your action bar around a skill that requires an entourage of abilities like talons and engulfing flames to compete with similar abilities that don't require an entourage. All of that brings your whip down to noodle damage.
If whip is noodle damage, then what is force shock ? Wet tissue paper ?
Give me the damage of whip and I will be the happiest mage on tamriel.
Oh you mean with your frags, overload and mages wrath explosion? Force shock is the lower damage morph if you want more damage go with force pulse. The tool tip is lower than whip but whip doesn't come with 10% base penetration. But you missed the entire point of my post that whip is low due to building not tooltip.
Frags is not a spammable ability and mage's wrath is merely an execute (and a very bad one)
Overload is not very handy. You have to activate it first and enemies will instantly start dodging, reflecting or going very offensive against you. It's an ultimate afterall and requires dedication. Which means, you must focus on overload and can't use other ultimates. So yea, not good.
I'm speaking about normal spammable abilities such as force pulse and lash. And lash is worlds stronger than force pulse.
I can't help it if you don't use your sorcs skills properly. You stand in the center of mines, you wont use bolt escape, or work your frags and overloads in properly, you use the wrong morphs of abilities and complain about the damage... all that is on you not the abilities available to you. They work when you use them well.
10% armor penetration vs a bit higher tooltip is worlds stronger? Show me the math on that but the only reason you want whip in the first place is due to reflect which you have built yourself to be vulnerable to.Edited by Armitas on August 1, 2016 3:56PMRetired.
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✭✭✭✭✭The reason it hits like a wet noodle is that in PvE you have a tank taking all your damage while standing in a banner, in PvP you don't, you have to be your own tank/healer, and dps, account for your own sustain and balance your action bar around a skill that requires an entourage of abilities like talons and engulfing flames to compete with similar abilities that don't require an entourage. All of that brings your whip down to noodle damage.
If whip is noodle damage, then what is force shock ? Wet tissue paper ?
Give me the damage of whip and I will be the happiest mage on tamriel.
Oh you mean with your frags, overload and mages wrath explosion? Force shock is the lower damage morph if you want more damage go with force pulse. The tool tip is lower than whip but whip doesn't come with 10% base penetration. But you missed the entire point of my post that whip is low due to building not tooltip.
Frags is not a spammable ability and mage's wrath is merely an execute (and a very bad one)
Overload is not very handy. You have to activate it first and enemies will instantly start dodging, reflecting or going very offensive against you. It's an ultimate afterall and requires dedication. Which means, you must focus on overload and can't use other ultimates. So yea, not good.
I'm speaking about normal spammable abilities such as force pulse and lash. And lash is worlds stronger than force pulse.
I can't help it if you don't use your sorcs skills properly. You stand in the center of mines, you wont use bolt escape, or work your frags and overloads in properly, you use the wrong morphs of abilities and complain about the damage... all that is on you not the abilities available to you. They work when you use them well.
10% armor penetration vs a bit higher tooltip is worlds stronger? Show me the math on that but the only reason you want whip in the first place is due to reflect which you have built yourself to be vulnerable to.
Start playing a Sorc, then we can talk again. Nothing works vs reflects.
3k higher tooltip+20% empower vs rooted targets is worlds stronger than a pitiful 10% spell penetration.
Most targets loose all of their resistance with light armor passive, sharpened and major breech.
10% penetration is a pitiful passive, just like all "destruction" passivesAuri-El is my lord,
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Armitas✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭The reason it hits like a wet noodle is that in PvE you have a tank taking all your damage while standing in a banner, in PvP you don't, you have to be your own tank/healer, and dps, account for your own sustain and balance your action bar around a skill that requires an entourage of abilities like talons and engulfing flames to compete with similar abilities that don't require an entourage. All of that brings your whip down to noodle damage.
If whip is noodle damage, then what is force shock ? Wet tissue paper ?
Give me the damage of whip and I will be the happiest mage on tamriel.
Oh you mean with your frags, overload and mages wrath explosion? Force shock is the lower damage morph if you want more damage go with force pulse. The tool tip is lower than whip but whip doesn't come with 10% base penetration. But you missed the entire point of my post that whip is low due to building not tooltip.
Frags is not a spammable ability and mage's wrath is merely an execute (and a very bad one)
Overload is not very handy. You have to activate it first and enemies will instantly start dodging, reflecting or going very offensive against you. It's an ultimate afterall and requires dedication. Which means, you must focus on overload and can't use other ultimates. So yea, not good.
I'm speaking about normal spammable abilities such as force pulse and lash. And lash is worlds stronger than force pulse.
I can't help it if you don't use your sorcs skills properly. You stand in the center of mines, you wont use bolt escape, or work your frags and overloads in properly, you use the wrong morphs of abilities and complain about the damage... all that is on you not the abilities available to you. They work when you use them well.
10% armor penetration vs a bit higher tooltip is worlds stronger? Show me the math on that but the only reason you want whip in the first place is due to reflect which you have built yourself to be vulnerable to.
Start playing a Sorc, then we can talk again. Nothing works vs reflects.
3k higher tooltip+20% empower vs rooted targets is worlds stronger than a pitiful 10% spell penetration.
Most targets loose all of their resistance with light armor passive, sharpened and major breech.
10% penetration is a pitiful passive, just like all "destruction" passives
That is not how that works and requries two skills to pull off with a 5second cooldown. You have to not use a whip and instead rotate a low damage cc(talons), whip to proc off balance and then you get a powerlash on your next whip. You have to lower your dps to raise your burst. The base is not 3k higher. A lot of people are in heavy armor now.Edited by Armitas on August 1, 2016 8:20PMRetired.
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✭✭✭✭✭The reason it hits like a wet noodle is that in PvE you have a tank taking all your damage while standing in a banner, in PvP you don't, you have to be your own tank/healer, and dps, account for your own sustain and balance your action bar around a skill that requires an entourage of abilities like talons and engulfing flames to compete with similar abilities that don't require an entourage. All of that brings your whip down to noodle damage.
If whip is noodle damage, then what is force shock ? Wet tissue paper ?
Give me the damage of whip and I will be the happiest mage on tamriel.
Oh you mean with your frags, overload and mages wrath explosion? Force shock is the lower damage morph if you want more damage go with force pulse. The tool tip is lower than whip but whip doesn't come with 10% base penetration. But you missed the entire point of my post that whip is low due to building not tooltip.
Frags is not a spammable ability and mage's wrath is merely an execute (and a very bad one)
Overload is not very handy. You have to activate it first and enemies will instantly start dodging, reflecting or going very offensive against you. It's an ultimate afterall and requires dedication. Which means, you must focus on overload and can't use other ultimates. So yea, not good.
I'm speaking about normal spammable abilities such as force pulse and lash. And lash is worlds stronger than force pulse.
I can't help it if you don't use your sorcs skills properly. You stand in the center of mines, you wont use bolt escape, or work your frags and overloads in properly, you use the wrong morphs of abilities and complain about the damage... all that is on you not the abilities available to you. They work when you use them well.
10% armor penetration vs a bit higher tooltip is worlds stronger? Show me the math on that but the only reason you want whip in the first place is due to reflect which you have built yourself to be vulnerable to.
Start playing a Sorc, then we can talk again. Nothing works vs reflects.
3k higher tooltip+20% empower vs rooted targets is worlds stronger than a pitiful 10% spell penetration.
Most targets loose all of their resistance with light armor passive, sharpened and major breech.
10% penetration is a pitiful passive, just like all "destruction" passives
That is not how that works and requries two skills to pull off with a 5second cooldown. You have to not use a whip and instead rotate a low damage cc, whip to proc off balance and then you get a powerlash on your next whip. You have to lower your dps to raise your burst. The base is not 3k higher. A lot of people are in heavy armor now.
Even the base damage of whip is significantly higher than the damage of force shock.Auri-El is my lord,
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Armitas✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭The reason it hits like a wet noodle is that in PvE you have a tank taking all your damage while standing in a banner, in PvP you don't, you have to be your own tank/healer, and dps, account for your own sustain and balance your action bar around a skill that requires an entourage of abilities like talons and engulfing flames to compete with similar abilities that don't require an entourage. All of that brings your whip down to noodle damage.
If whip is noodle damage, then what is force shock ? Wet tissue paper ?
Give me the damage of whip and I will be the happiest mage on tamriel.
Oh you mean with your frags, overload and mages wrath explosion? Force shock is the lower damage morph if you want more damage go with force pulse. The tool tip is lower than whip but whip doesn't come with 10% base penetration. But you missed the entire point of my post that whip is low due to building not tooltip.
Frags is not a spammable ability and mage's wrath is merely an execute (and a very bad one)
Overload is not very handy. You have to activate it first and enemies will instantly start dodging, reflecting or going very offensive against you. It's an ultimate afterall and requires dedication. Which means, you must focus on overload and can't use other ultimates. So yea, not good.
I'm speaking about normal spammable abilities such as force pulse and lash. And lash is worlds stronger than force pulse.
I can't help it if you don't use your sorcs skills properly. You stand in the center of mines, you wont use bolt escape, or work your frags and overloads in properly, you use the wrong morphs of abilities and complain about the damage... all that is on you not the abilities available to you. They work when you use them well.
10% armor penetration vs a bit higher tooltip is worlds stronger? Show me the math on that but the only reason you want whip in the first place is due to reflect which you have built yourself to be vulnerable to.
Start playing a Sorc, then we can talk again. Nothing works vs reflects.
3k higher tooltip+20% empower vs rooted targets is worlds stronger than a pitiful 10% spell penetration.
Most targets loose all of their resistance with light armor passive, sharpened and major breech.
10% penetration is a pitiful passive, just like all "destruction" passives
That is not how that works and requries two skills to pull off with a 5second cooldown. You have to not use a whip and instead rotate a low damage cc, whip to proc off balance and then you get a powerlash on your next whip. You have to lower your dps to raise your burst. The base is not 3k higher. A lot of people are in heavy armor now.
Even the base damage of whip is significantly higher than the damage of force shock.
I assume you mean force pulse here as force shock is the low damage morph. They have a different base damage because of the 10% penetration passive in the destruction line.Edited by Armitas on August 1, 2016 7:06PMRetired.
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forzajuve212✭✭✭✭✭Armitas is right, any mag dk pvp player will tell you the exact same thing. Whip hits like nothing in PVP.0
