thankyourat wrote: »WillhelmBlack wrote: »Nothing can compete stamina 1v1 or solo PvP.
You will barely find a decent Magicka NB getting killed by anyone in 1 vs. 1 if he follows the rule Survival -> DPS.
A player should always ask himself how many 1 vs 1 did he actually survive with his current build and if he won a fight how long was the fight. That's the only way how you improve your build to survive strong players in any competition.
A fight vs. strong players will always take a while and might never end because we both know very well how to play.
Then it's decided by patience, pressure and who is making the first mistake. If I loose, I [snip] this up, nobody else.
I keep track of my fights, if I don't care I don't find out what happened or where to improve in specific.
However, most players don't even care how often they actually die because death doesn't matter in ESO but it should matter for personal statistics because then you start seeing your build and play style from a different perspective.
And a Magicka NB who didn't find his balance between sustain, survival and acceptable DPS is a very bad player.
Since you voted Magicka NB the weakest I am certain that your issue is trading survival for more DPS.
Imo a very bad deal but major cause for most bad NBs out there.
Not dying doesn't mean anything if you don't have enough dps to kill your opponent.
thankyourat wrote: »WillhelmBlack wrote: »Nothing can compete stamina 1v1 or solo PvP.
You will barely find a decent Magicka NB getting killed by anyone in 1 vs. 1 if he follows the rule Survival -> DPS.
A player should always ask himself how many 1 vs 1 did he actually survive with his current build and if he won a fight how long was the fight. That's the only way how you improve your build to survive strong players in any competition.
A fight vs. strong players will always take a while and might never end because we both know very well how to play.
Then it's decided by patience, pressure and who is making the first mistake. If I loose, I [snip] this up, nobody else.
I keep track of my fights, if I don't care I don't find out what happened or where to improve in specific.
However, most players don't even care how often they actually die because death doesn't matter in ESO but it should matter for personal statistics because then you start seeing your build and play style from a different perspective.
And a Magicka NB who didn't find his balance between sustain, survival and acceptable DPS is a very bad player.
Since you voted Magicka NB the weakest I am certain that your issue is trading survival for more DPS.
Imo a very bad deal but major cause for most bad NBs out there.
Not dying doesn't mean anything if you don't have enough dps to kill your opponent.
Again, you will not kill decent players in 1 vs. 1 , no matter how hard you try pushing your dps.
But you will make your self a very easy target to kill because you show your weak spots to decent players.
arkansas_ESO wrote: »
Those who claim that solo magicka templar is OP, 100% don't play one.
-No solid CC/root capability to hold enemies nearby.
-No mobility, even with mistform(thanks to gapclosers' snare that making mist almost usless vs large groups chasing).
-Worst class sustain(sorry but even 25k BoL won't save you if you out of stamina in open world).
Ofcourse nowdays no magicka templar run solo in open world to pick this option, while majority of DKs were solo-rambos that were nerfed and based on this immersion "1dk can't win 15 enemies anymore" claiming they are worst. Anyone rationally prove that I am wrong?
P.S.: by solo pvp I see 1vX, not 1v1.
thankyourat wrote: »thankyourat wrote: »WillhelmBlack wrote: »Nothing can compete stamina 1v1 or solo PvP.
You will barely find a decent Magicka NB getting killed by anyone in 1 vs. 1 if he follows the rule Survival -> DPS.
A player should always ask himself how many 1 vs 1 did he actually survive with his current build and if he won a fight how long was the fight. That's the only way how you improve your build to survive strong players in any competition.
A fight vs. strong players will always take a while and might never end because we both know very well how to play.
Then it's decided by patience, pressure and who is making the first mistake. If I loose, I [snip] this up, nobody else.
I keep track of my fights, if I don't care I don't find out what happened or where to improve in specific.
However, most players don't even care how often they actually die because death doesn't matter in ESO but it should matter for personal statistics because then you start seeing your build and play style from a different perspective.
And a Magicka NB who didn't find his balance between sustain, survival and acceptable DPS is a very bad player.
Since you voted Magicka NB the weakest I am certain that your issue is trading survival for more DPS.
Imo a very bad deal but major cause for most bad NBs out there.
Not dying doesn't mean anything if you don't have enough dps to kill your opponent.
Again, you will not kill decent players in 1 vs. 1 , no matter how hard you try pushing your dps.
But you will make your self a very easy target to kill because you show your weak spots to decent players.
But in this game your defense and survivability comes from your dps pool.
The harder you hit the stronger your shields, the bigger your heals, and the better your resources.
And if you show your weak spots to someone with low dps or someone who sacrifices a good about of dps to place in say his stamina pool, it doesn't matter because he wont be able to kill you cause he doesn't hit hard enough
thankyourat wrote: »thankyourat wrote: »WillhelmBlack wrote: »Nothing can compete stamina 1v1 or solo PvP.
You will barely find a decent Magicka NB getting killed by anyone in 1 vs. 1 if he follows the rule Survival -> DPS.
A player should always ask himself how many 1 vs 1 did he actually survive with his current build and if he won a fight how long was the fight. That's the only way how you improve your build to survive strong players in any competition.
A fight vs. strong players will always take a while and might never end because we both know very well how to play.
Then it's decided by patience, pressure and who is making the first mistake. If I loose, I [snip] this up, nobody else.
I keep track of my fights, if I don't care I don't find out what happened or where to improve in specific.
However, most players don't even care how often they actually die because death doesn't matter in ESO but it should matter for personal statistics because then you start seeing your build and play style from a different perspective.
And a Magicka NB who didn't find his balance between sustain, survival and acceptable DPS is a very bad player.
Since you voted Magicka NB the weakest I am certain that your issue is trading survival for more DPS.
Imo a very bad deal but major cause for most bad NBs out there.
Not dying doesn't mean anything if you don't have enough dps to kill your opponent.
Again, you will not kill decent players in 1 vs. 1 , no matter how hard you try pushing your dps.
But you will make your self a very easy target to kill because you show your weak spots to decent players.
But in this game your defense and survivability comes from your dps pool.
The harder you hit the stronger your shields, the bigger your heals, and the better your resources.
Your theory requires that everything is balanced with same parameters given to all players and implemented that way in ESO first. Since this is not the case it makes your defense and survivability situational and it mostly depends on class choice depending on ressource. And here we have the significant difference and main issue in ESO because the strength of a class and your efficiency is decided by the fact if your class choice is harmonizing with your main ressource or not.
Some classes end up with 20-30% of class skills on their bars while other classes provide outstanding morphs independent of ressource and end up with 80% class skills on the bars. It's not a question of fun to play, it's a question what class design has to offer to play efficient enough. A class should not rely on a ressource it should rely on corresponding passives and proper morphs matching to any ressource.
In other words specific classes like NBs have a very strong utility and abilities that make them stay flexible and very efficient in 1 vs. 1 situations. While other classes are highly depend on a specific ressource and ask themselves why the heck they actually chosen their current class.
With that being said and since our original discussion was about Magicka NBs it's pretty silly to say it's the weakest class in PvP because it's the most balanced class independent of ressource choice.
An advantage many others classes are dreaming of.And if you show your weak spots to someone with low dps or someone who sacrifices a good about of dps to place in say his stamina pool, it doesn't matter because he wont be able to kill you cause he doesn't hit hard enough
It does matter because survival and a resulting tie is part of competition as well.
Nightblade skills are very balanced but in the grand scheme of things that doesn't matter because the other classes can get things that their class is missing from other skill lines. I still think magblade can function solo it's just not as good as some of the other classes at the moment
MagDK definately. It shines in gropes but solo I find extremely hard to win fights, surviving is not a problem either so it becomes tiresome tied fights and that wears out after a while.