Weakest Class in Solo PvP?

Armitas

Magicka Dragonknight

That is deeply disturbing.

Rylana

Magicka Dragonknight

How far we have fallen

Father_X_Zombie

Magicka Dragonknight

Ok, who said stam nb and was being serious?

thankyourat

Magicka Dragonknight

PainfulFAFA wrote: »

My ranking
Stamplar
Stamsorc
Stamdk
Magplar
Mageblade
Stamblade
Magicka sorc
Magicka dk

Lol magblade is better than stamblade?
1)stamplar
2)stam dk (close second these 2 are top tier)
3)stamblade
4)stam sorc (these 2 can be flipped)
5) magplar
6)magsorc
7)magblade
8)mag dk

You can make an argument for either stam dk or stamplar for being number one they both have good burst but what puts then over the top is major mending. I put stamblade as number 3 because they can take you from 100 to 0 incredibly quick. Stam sorc at 4 because of there mobility they are better at repositioning than any other class. Magplar at 5 because of their heals and just how balanced the class is overall best execute in the game and a claw purge than removes all dots (position injection), but they have horrible mobility and lack abilities to reposition themselves so a lot of times they can just be sitting ducks. Magsorc at 6 because they have more burst than the rest of the mag classes and have better mobility than them as well, but they lack constant dps and are to reliant on burst that is easily avoidable, and only real defense is shields that are easily worn down when being attacked by multiple enemies. Magblade at 7 best class skills and toolkit on paper, but it doesn't relate to open world PvP success. The class is too squishy and it often times lack the burst that it needs to make up for it being squishy impale needs to scale at 50% to give them a needed finisher that can be accessed any time. Magdk at 8 too many problems to list lol. Any of these classes can be effective if you are good though

Armitas

Magicka Dragonknight

mDK is on fire but come monday I'll be able to RP with drinks on my nord. Whooo going to be awesome! Oh and I'll get to do another dungeon...even though most people haven't even beat the last one on vet.

Actually_Goku

Magicka Templar

I meant to vote Mag DK, misread the survey (night shift, bit dopey atm)

Mag DK is still my favourite class - and in 1v1 situations, I think I win more than 50% of the time, but the damage output is seriously lacking against tanker builds. I wreck Stamblades, but I find if I'm fighting another Stam spec, they're quite often too tanky for me to finish off - a lot of my fights end up as draws. The lack of an execute - which I've made threads on before - really hurts the magicka DK, because as someone above me said, our main source of DPS (apart from lash which is lacklustre) is purged by anyone who knows what they're doing.

We have a good plethora of skills - unfortunately, the way the build is constructed, we can be the better player for 90% of a fight, or even be in a position to 1vX, but due to the inherent lack of damage - no execute - you end up dying a warrior's death. Lash really needs to be an execute.

juhasman

Cinbri wrote: »

Those who claim that solo magicka templar is OP, 100% don't play one.
-No solid CC/root capability to hold enemies nearby.
-No mobility, even with mistform(thanks to gapclosers' snare that making mist almost usless vs large groups chasing).
-Worst class sustain(sorry but even 25k BoL won't save you if you out of stamina in open world).
Ofcourse nowdays no magicka templar run solo in open world to pick this option, while majority of DKs were solo-rambos that were nerfed and based on this immersion "1dk can't win 15 enemies anymore" claiming they are worst. Anyone rationally prove that I am wrong?
P.S.: by solo pvp I see 1vX, not 1v1.

@Cinbri So You're saying some build is the weakest because it's not OP in 1vX even when it's god of XvXXXX ? I know it's voting for solo PvP but lets be realistic templar have the area where he rules. And about that beeing out of stamina , malubeth cancer templars dont even need to break free. Also i would not call the weakest the build that can purge 5 negative effects just like that in 1 sec and have 2 unidodgable skills in rotation (jabs and RD). Definitely magplar cnot be called the weakest.

KisoValley

Magicka Dragonknight

Quite obvious.

Also anyone who tries to argue magicka templar is weak is either delusional or was a shitter before this patch where magicka templars became strong as ***.

Derra

Magicka Dragonknight

A class that by design kills enemies with sustained pressure (dots) where almost everyone plays a selfhealing monstertank. Well strong selfhealing is the hardcounter to the magica dragonknights dps design.
Couple that with low mobility and the inaccessibility of healdebuffs on magica skills and you´ve got a recipe for failure.

MagDK does make for a nice grp utility tank though.

All in all it´s really hard to balance as they can´t give tank DKs more dmg because of how survivable they are. On the other hand a light armor DK deals really good dmg but dies when coughed at.
This with the backthought of how changing utility spells would affect it´s very vaible stamina counterpart and how dmg increases would affect pve balance.

I have no idea how to really fix magDKs for pvp when also taking into account the other aspects of the game.



I´d probably go the route with nerfing selfhealing on burning embers and flameleash.

This while buffing dragonblood to work in a way where it provides a fixed amount of healing each second for 3 seconds (everytime the heart beats) + the current missing health mechanic. One morph could provide a longer hot the other offer minor protection.

I´d change reflect into a deflect. One morph still reflects for 2s with increased dmg the other only deflects (no dmg return to attacker) but still has 4s duration. Removal of projectile cap.

I´d put a 2s knockdown on the gapclosing chain morph (like swooping an enemy of his feet).

Maybe gain major evasion while standing in ash could (minor protection alternatively).

arkansas_ESO

Magicka Nightblade

Magic NB and magic DK are tied for last place, IMO.

Glamdring wrote: »

oh i so long for next "dlc" and to give all thoose maulbeth exploiting magplars their ass handed to them.

Can somebody link me to where they said Malubeth was getting nerfed?

KisoValley

Magicka Dragonknight

arkansas_ESO wrote: »

Magic NB and magic DK are tied for last place, IMO.

Glamdring wrote: »

oh i so long for next "dlc" and to give all thoose maulbeth exploiting magplars their ass handed to them.

Can somebody link me to where they said Malubeth was getting nerfed?

On my phone so linking stuff is aids but I think it was on the thread to nerf malubeth by Jules.

Jules

Magicka Dragonknight

arkansas_ESO wrote: »

Magic NB and magic DK are tied for last place, IMO.

Glamdring wrote: »

oh i so long for next "dlc" and to give all thoose maulbeth exploiting magplars their ass handed to them.

Can somebody link me to where they said Malubeth was getting nerfed?

Yes it was my thread, page 5 Gina addresses it.

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/280777/malubeth/p5

Izaki

RebornV3x wrote: »

Never played a mag DK but that Mag sorc is rough tho

I'm fine on mine. I kick ass more without shield stacking than I used to (maybe because there aren't many mag sorcs out there now). Elegance + Overload builds are very very strong when you know what you're doing.

Izaki

GreenSoup2HoT wrote: »

Magicka DK is weak in the solo department but makes up for it for being one of the best Tanks and Utility options for group based pvp. They may not be killers but they can take up a whole lot of aggro/damage for others in your group small or large scale.

I personally think Ground based ultimate's are in need of a dire buff. Negate got its former glory back and more... its about time Standard, Consuming Darkness and Nova got buffs, its a shame we don't see these ultimates in pvp. With a buff to standard maybe Magicka DK could hold its ground easier in solo pvp.

Consuming Darkness is amazing tho. Well in PvE at least, don't think it gets much use in PvP though

Sypher

Magicka Dragonknight

Anyone who is voting anything other than mDK is completely wrong. Willing to debate anyone who thinks otherwise.

Sharee

Magicka Dragonknight

Derra wrote: »

All in all it´s really hard to balance as they can´t give tank DKs more dmg because of how survivable they are.

I don't think their survivability is anything special. Wings are only semi-reliable in 1v1 due to light attack weaving, and other than that, their survivability comes from skills that are not exclusive to the DK class, like mist, heavy armor, and blocking. I'd rather bet my money on a templar - their survivability is better, and they don't seem to lack damage for it either.

DUTCH_REAPER

Stamina Nightblade

I thought I chose mDK.
Stupid phone

arkansas_ESO

Magicka Nightblade

Sypher wrote: »

Anyone who is voting anything other than mDK is completely wrong. Willing to debate anyone who thinks otherwise.

Magic NB is just as bad as magic DK. Forum war me bro.

lappas

Magicka Templar

Mag sorc? LMAO its the best class ok the shield got a nerf but still one of the overall strongest.

PURPLE245

Magicka Nightblade

i have a much easier time playing mag dk over mag nb suitability is low this patch imo there dmg is bad now idk why its just really bad for some reason pretty high tooltip yet so little dmg not sure what they did to magic nb but its hitting like a wet noodle now

Bromburak

Magicka Dragonknight

Magicka Nightblade
7%

Makes 13 noobs or clowns in this thread so far.

Sanct16 wrote: »

What do you think is the worst class for Solo PvP? And why?

Beside Magicka DK the one you can't handle.

Bakven

Magicka Dragonknight

WillhelmBlack wrote: »

If you're excluding VD, probably on a par with magicka DK. Both are pretty balanced if you look at it from a group perspective. Nothing can compete stamina 1v1 or solo PvP.

IDK, game is the most balanced it's been for a while. I play all 4 classes and the only thing that stands out as OP is magicka Templar and stamina NB. Of course ignoring Malubeth but that is getting fixed.

As a magblade who solo's quite often, I disagree. I've beaten pleny of stamina users 1v1

Bromburak

Magicka Dragonknight

WillhelmBlack wrote: »

Nothing can compete stamina 1v1 or solo PvP.

You will barely find a decent Magicka NB getting killed by anyone in 1 vs. 1 if he follows the rule Survival -> DPS.

A player should always ask himself how many 1 vs 1 did he actually survive with his current build and if he won a fight how long was the fight. That's the only way how you improve your build to survive strong players in any competition.

A fight vs. strong players will always take a while and might never end because we both know very well how to play.
Then it's decided by patience, pressure and who is making the first mistake. If I loose, I [snip] this up, nobody else.
I keep track of my fights, if I don't care I don't find out what happened or where to improve in specific.

However, most players don't even care how often they actually die because death doesn't matter in ESO but it should matter for personal statistics because then you start seeing your build and play style from a different perspective.

And a Magicka NB who didn't find his balance between sustain, survival and acceptable DPS is a very bad player.
Since you voted Magicka NB the weakest I am certain that your issue is trading survival for more DPS.

Imo a very bad deal but major cause for most bad NBs out there.

Bakven

Magicka Dragonknight

Bromburak wrote: »

WillhelmBlack wrote: »

Nothing can compete stamina 1v1 or solo PvP.

You will barely find a decent Magicka NB getting killed by anyone in 1 vs. 1 if he follows the rule Survival -> DPS.

A player should always ask himself how many 1 vs 1 did he actually survive with his current build and if he won a fight how long was the fight. That's the only way how you improve your build to survive strong players in any competition.

A fight vs. strong players will always take a while and might never end because we both know very well how to play.
Then it's decided by patience, pressure and who is making the first mistake. If I loose, I [snip] this up, nobody else.
I keep track of my fights, if I don't care I don't find out what happened or where to improve in specific.

However, most players don't even care how often they actually die because death doesn't matter in ESO but it should matter for personal statistics because then you start seeing your build and play style from a different perspective.

And a Magicka NB who didn't find his balance between sustain, survival and acceptable DPS is a very bad player.
Since you voted Magicka NB the weakest I am certain that your issue is trading survival for more DPS.

Imo a very bad deal but major cause for most bad NBs out there.

THIS ^^^

Aldarenn

Magicka Nightblade

Bromburak wrote: »

Magicka Nightblade
7%

Makes 13 noobs or clowns in this thread so far.

Sanct16 wrote: »

What do you think is the worst class for Solo PvP? And why?

The one you can't handle.

Coming from the noob who hit "Show Poll Results". At least you were honest to yourself to not vote afterwards.

I bet you were about to vote Stamina Templar

thankyourat

Magicka Dragonknight

Bromburak wrote: »

WillhelmBlack wrote: »

Nothing can compete stamina 1v1 or solo PvP.

You will barely find a decent Magicka NB getting killed by anyone in 1 vs. 1 if he follows the rule Survival -> DPS.

A player should always ask himself how many 1 vs 1 did he actually survive with his current build and if he won a fight how long was the fight. That's the only way how you improve your build to survive strong players in any competition.

A fight vs. strong players will always take a while and might never end because we both know very well how to play.
Then it's decided by patience, pressure and who is making the first mistake. If I loose, I [snip] this up, nobody else.
I keep track of my fights, if I don't care I don't find out what happened or where to improve in specific.

However, most players don't even care how often they actually die because death doesn't matter in ESO but it should matter for personal statistics because then you start seeing your build and play style from a different perspective.

And a Magicka NB who didn't find his balance between sustain, survival and acceptable DPS is a very bad player.
Since you voted Magicka NB the weakest I am certain that your issue is trading survival for more DPS.

Imo a very bad deal but major cause for most bad NBs out there.

Not dying doesn't mean anything if you don't have enough dps to kill your opponent. If the fight ends in a draw you didn't win, and you are playing to passively. I also main a magblade. i do agree it isn't the worse class there's a big gap between magblade and mag dk for solo PvP, but the other classes are all better than magblade because they don't have to trade dps for survivability well maybe magsorc as well but that's pretty much it. I find I'm more successful if i just stack all damage on my magblade that's why I started running the lich set a couple months ago so I can stack my damage as high as it would go, being survivable just wasn't cutting it in open world PvP I needed more dps. The faster you kill people in open world the better of you'll be. Dueling is a whole different story I've had success running heavy armor destro/restro in duels but I would never take that set to open world lol.

The-Baconator

Magicka Dragonknight

IzakiBrotheSs wrote: »

RebornV3x wrote: »

Never played a mag DK but that Mag sorc is rough tho

I'm fine on mine. I kick ass more without shield stacking than I used to (maybe because there aren't many mag sorcs out there now). Elegance + Overload builds are very very strong when you know what you're doing.

Even with the RPer\troll that picked stamplar rambling away I find the assertion that Overload with elegance is an entire build to be the most objectionable thing in this thread.

PainfulFAFA

Magicka Dragonknight

thankyourat wrote: »

PainfulFAFA wrote: »

My ranking
Stamplar
Stamsorc
Stamdk
Magplar
Mageblade
Stamblade
Magicka sorc
Magicka dk

Lol magblade is better than stamblade?
1)stamplar
2)stam dk (close second these 2 are top tier)
3)stamblade
4)stam sorc (these 2 can be flipped)
5) magplar
6)magsorc
7)magblade
8)mag dk

You can make an argument for either stam dk or stamplar for being number one they both have good burst but what puts then over the top is major mending. I put stamblade as number 3 because they can take you from 100 to 0 incredibly quick. Stam sorc at 4 because of there mobility they are better at repositioning than any other class. Magplar at 5 because of their heals and just how balanced the class is overall best execute in the game and a claw purge than removes all dots (position injection), but they have horrible mobility and lack abilities to reposition themselves so a lot of times they can just be sitting ducks. Magsorc at 6 because they have more burst than the rest of the mag classes and have better mobility than them as well, but they lack constant dps and are to reliant on burst that is easily avoidable, efense is shields that are easily worn down when being attacked by multiple enemies. Magblade at 7 best class skills and toolkit on paper, but it doesn't relate to open world PvP success. The class is too squishy and it often times lack the burst that it needs to make up for it being squishy impale needs to scale at 50% to give them a needed finisher that can be accessed any time. Magdk at 8 too many problems to list lol. Any of these classes can be effective if you are good though

Yes, i personally think mageblade is better than stamblade in this patch. I cant recall a single time a stamblade has legit put me on the defensive, only stamblade i can think of that has put me on the edge, and rarely see anymore, is ninja-san.

Yes stamblades have a crapton of burst but they are too squishy... like literally heavy att them to death. One dawnbreaker>execute combo and DONE. No survivability whatsoever... whereas a mageblade can shield up/cloak. Mageblades have nice healing passives and strife is really good.

zyk

What is solo PVP? Playing solo can vary wildly:

- solo objective play; running with faction zergs, starting sieges, etc
- solo 1vx play; looking for 1vx fodder for videos, etc
- solo lane play; anything can happen -- FCs have mostly killed this
- ganking
- duels
- etc

No class/resource is best at all of these things.

My magicka DK can be effective "solo" when around other random players by being the first to dive into the zerg, survive, and hope that others join in. My magicka NB was great for bombing groups, scouting, ganking siege lines, slowing opposition raids to buy time for backup, etc..

Hexys

Magicka Dragonknight

For me playing solo is to find enemies on your own, without the help of anyone else and try to kill as many as possible.

1vX comes down to 3 things, while killing people and not staying alive as long as possible;
(1.) Survivability in tanking, dodging and LoS
(2.) Ressource management
(3.) Burst, because in 1vX you don't have a nice 20 seconds to kill people

Magicka Dragonknight is the worst and Stamina Nightblade is the best if you apply these points.