Gotta love people who watched a 1vX video of a magicka dk and came to the conclusion with their expert knowledge that the class is fine and everyone who complains about them doesn't know how to play.

Bashev wrote: »

Hyssia wrote: »

Sanct16 wrote: »

@Hyssia

Its always funny to see people who don't even play MagDk claim how awesome it is.

Noone is doubting that you can play magDk and even kill some people - however an equally skilled player on another class would have performed better most likely. The reason MagDk is hard to play isn't because the class is so complex but simply because of how bad it is.

had 3 magicka dks. Solo PvP was a pleasure

Past tense!

Legit.
The only DK he has now is an easy mode stam redguard, and he's all up in here telling people to git gud.

IxskullzxI wrote: »

Gotta love people who watched a 1vX video of a magicka dk and came to the conclusion with their expert knowledge that the class is fine and everyone who complains about them doesn't know how to play.

Gotta love people who come to a topic about some guy being happy with his mDK spec and tell him he's wrong.

ETA for the vid?

Ghostbane wrote: »

There is no other method class that has to sacrifice/compensate than magicka DK in pvp right now. Simple fact. It is not a magicka factor either, templars, sorcs and NBs are still doing quite fine.

Eagerly awaiting Blobs montage, to see what he is saying. Don't rule the guy out until you see it action, he's on hard mode.

I believe he will come out with some great clips. He is a good player. Evidenced by his prior NB videos.

The claim that this setup is "huge damage" is absurd though.

Moglijuana wrote: »

Eh, tried this set up last night...sub par once one good enemy player jumps in. I'll stick with my heavy kags.

Damage predominates tanking. Sure you can survive but you aren't going to kill god players, just last long and say the class can perform

Ishammael wrote: »

Ghostbane wrote: »

There is no other method class that has to sacrifice/compensate than magicka DK in pvp right now. Simple fact. It is not a magicka factor either, templars, sorcs and NBs are still doing quite fine.

Eagerly awaiting Blobs montage, to see what he is saying. Don't rule the guy out until you see it action, he's on hard mode.

I believe he will come out with some great clips. He is a good player. Evidenced by his prior NB videos.

The claim that this setup is "huge damage" is absurd though.

I'll release tonight

Blobsky wrote: »

IxskullzxI wrote: »

Erock25 wrote: »

IxskullzxI wrote: »

Gotta love people who watched a 1vX video of a magicka dk and came to the conclusion with their expert knowledge that the class is fine and everyone who complains about them doesn't know how to play.

Gotta love people who come to a topic about some guy being happy with his mDK spec and tell him he's wrong.

Read his comments in this thread and on his YouTube video. Is is flat out telling people they're wrong when they give any sort of advice about the build. That's great that he's happy with it, but he's acting like this build is something it's not. He claims the huge damage comes from the penetration. Which, unless spell erosion is bugged, has less than any other typical light armor dk build running a sharpened weapon. So I'm not seeing the huge damage..

My whips hit 6k on players - that is equal to my surprise attack damage, and thus not lying

This half the reason why DK is so broke. His whip which hits for 6k is a product of 10% from engulfing flame, a root, a flame lash to proc that root and then a power lash. And then his NB hits the same amount of damage in 1 hit with a freaking gap closer, and a gap closer that actually works. Thats not even the NB nuke, look at the NB version of whip, surprise attack. Gives you 8% mitigation, removes 8% mitigation from your target, and does a whole lot more base damage than whip. Everything in the mDK is so contingent on an entourage of skill juggling meanwhile the NB is a Ferrari with 1 button performance.

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I used to use reinforced for my shield because of the 75% shield armor from the CP line but I tested it and it didn't apply for the reinforced amount so I switched to impen on my shield. Not sure if it will work on nirn shield or not.

Also you may want to try Shattering Rocks instead of petrify. It gives you a second chance to proc powerlash because it applies a 50% chance to set off balance to everyone around including the person it was applied too. So if you are out numbered you can hit one guy that sets the group off balance, get a powerlash heal, hit another guy set the group off balance and get a powerlash heal and so on and so on. If there are 3 people you can basically keep something off balance at all times for a perma powerlash heal. And of course if you are in a 1v1 you can proc 2 powerlashes in 5 seconds rather than 1.

Also what are you using for a gap closer? How do you keep in melee range of sorcs or people with the hunt cancer set?

Lava_Croft wrote: »

Hektik_V wrote: »

Lava_Croft wrote: »

The only people who have a right to complain about Magicka DK's are the people who stuck with Magicka DK's.

What if you switched to magicka DK as soon as they got bad coming from a magicka templar?

The bad apples are the ones who fled MagDK as soon as they weren't ridiculously strong anymore and now pretend like they care so much for the MagDK.

That awkward moment when I actually agree with Kris. Most Magicka DK are used to the days where they were just leagues ahead of other classes. In my opinion, after playing this class, it is fine in terms of balance. I am releasing a 1vX teaser video with it later today in response to the criticism spammed in this thread

juhasman wrote: »

Blobsky wrote: »

Lava_Croft wrote: »

Hektik_V wrote: »

Lava_Croft wrote: »

The only people who have a right to complain about Magicka DK's are the people who stuck with Magicka DK's.

What if you switched to magicka DK as soon as they got bad coming from a magicka templar?

The bad apples are the ones who fled MagDK as soon as they weren't ridiculously strong anymore and now pretend like they care so much for the MagDK.

That awkward moment when I actually agree with Kris. Most Magicka DK are used to the days where they were just leagues ahead of other classes. In my opinion, after playing this class, it is fine in terms of balance. I am releasing a 1vX teaser video with it later today in response to the criticism spammed in this thread

Get use to it. Every time You'll try to prove mDk is not complete trash and You'll say something positive about PvP mDK You'll be criticised. When Sypher posted his YT clip with mDK 1vX he earned the biggest number of dislikes he ever get.

When I release mine in 20mins maybe I will too. But I'll still orive the class plays fine. The reality is, oldschool magicka DKs are used to how easy it once was, now it has to actually be played

Blobsky wrote: »

Armitas wrote: »

Blobsky wrote: »

IxskullzxI wrote: »

Erock25 wrote: »

IxskullzxI wrote: »

Gotta love people who watched a 1vX video of a magicka dk and came to the conclusion with their expert knowledge that the class is fine and everyone who complains about them doesn't know how to play.

Gotta love people who come to a topic about some guy being happy with his mDK spec and tell him he's wrong.

Read his comments in this thread and on his YouTube video. Is is flat out telling people they're wrong when they give any sort of advice about the build. That's great that he's happy with it, but he's acting like this build is something it's not. He claims the huge damage comes from the penetration. Which, unless spell erosion is bugged, has less than any other typical light armor dk build running a sharpened weapon. So I'm not seeing the huge damage..

My whips hit 6k on players - that is equal to my surprise attack damage, and thus not lying

This half the reason why DK is so broke. His whip which hits for 6k is a product of 10% from engulfing flame, a root, a flame lash to proc that root and then a power lash. And then his NB hits the same amount of damage in 1 hit with a freaking gap closer, and a gap closer that actually works. Thats not even the NB nuke, look at the NB version of whip, surprise attack. Gives you 8% mitigation, removes 8% mitigation from your target, and does a whole lot more base damage than whip. Everything in the mDK is so contingent on an entourage of skill juggling meanwhile the NB is a Ferrari with 1 button performance.

______
I used to use reinforced for my shield because of the 75% shield armor from the CP line but I tested it and it didn't apply for the reinforced amount so I switched to impen on my shield. Not sure if it will work on nirn shield or not.

Also you may want to try Shattering Rocks instead of petrify. It gives you a second chance to proc powerlash because it applies a 50% chance to set off balance to everyone around including the person it was applied too. So if you are out numbered you can hit one guy that sets the group off balance, get a powerlash heal, hit another guy set the group off balance and get a powerlash heal and so on and so on. If there are 3 people you can basically keep something off balance at all times for a perma powerlash heal. And of course if you are in a 1v1 you can proc 2 powerlashes in 5 seconds rather than 1.

Also what are you using for a gap closer? How do you keep in melee range of sorcs or people with the hunt cancer set?

Nightblades lack survivability in exchange for the extra damage

Nightblade survivability scales with the extra damage. Make vigor/rally/shields scale purely from max HP like dragon blood/obsidian shield does, then we can talk about how increasing their damage sacrifices survivability.

Sharee wrote: »

Blobsky wrote: »

Armitas wrote: »

Blobsky wrote: »

IxskullzxI wrote: »

Erock25 wrote: »

IxskullzxI wrote: »

Gotta love people who watched a 1vX video of a magicka dk and came to the conclusion with their expert knowledge that the class is fine and everyone who complains about them doesn't know how to play.

Gotta love people who come to a topic about some guy being happy with his mDK spec and tell him he's wrong.

Read his comments in this thread and on his YouTube video. Is is flat out telling people they're wrong when they give any sort of advice about the build. That's great that he's happy with it, but he's acting like this build is something it's not. He claims the huge damage comes from the penetration. Which, unless spell erosion is bugged, has less than any other typical light armor dk build running a sharpened weapon. So I'm not seeing the huge damage..

My whips hit 6k on players - that is equal to my surprise attack damage, and thus not lying

This half the reason why DK is so broke. His whip which hits for 6k is a product of 10% from engulfing flame, a root, a flame lash to proc that root and then a power lash. And then his NB hits the same amount of damage in 1 hit with a freaking gap closer, and a gap closer that actually works. Thats not even the NB nuke, look at the NB version of whip, surprise attack. Gives you 8% mitigation, removes 8% mitigation from your target, and does a whole lot more base damage than whip. Everything in the mDK is so contingent on an entourage of skill juggling meanwhile the NB is a Ferrari with 1 button performance.

______
I used to use reinforced for my shield because of the 75% shield armor from the CP line but I tested it and it didn't apply for the reinforced amount so I switched to impen on my shield. Not sure if it will work on nirn shield or not.

Also you may want to try Shattering Rocks instead of petrify. It gives you a second chance to proc powerlash because it applies a 50% chance to set off balance to everyone around including the person it was applied too. So if you are out numbered you can hit one guy that sets the group off balance, get a powerlash heal, hit another guy set the group off balance and get a powerlash heal and so on and so on. If there are 3 people you can basically keep something off balance at all times for a perma powerlash heal. And of course if you are in a 1v1 you can proc 2 powerlashes in 5 seconds rather than 1.

Also what are you using for a gap closer? How do you keep in melee range of sorcs or people with the hunt cancer set?

Nightblades lack survivability in exchange for the extra damage

Nightblade survivability scales with the extra damage. Make vigor/rally/shields scale purely from max HP like dragon blood/obsidian shield does, then we can talk about how increasing their damage sacrifices survivability.

burning embers heals for 7k and cosgts 700 magicka

Sharee wrote: »

Blobsky wrote: »

Armitas wrote: »

Blobsky wrote: »

IxskullzxI wrote: »

Erock25 wrote: »

IxskullzxI wrote: »

Gotta love people who watched a 1vX video of a magicka dk and came to the conclusion with their expert knowledge that the class is fine and everyone who complains about them doesn't know how to play.

Gotta love people who come to a topic about some guy being happy with his mDK spec and tell him he's wrong.

Read his comments in this thread and on his YouTube video. Is is flat out telling people they're wrong when they give any sort of advice about the build. That's great that he's happy with it, but he's acting like this build is something it's not. He claims the huge damage comes from the penetration. Which, unless spell erosion is bugged, has less than any other typical light armor dk build running a sharpened weapon. So I'm not seeing the huge damage..

My whips hit 6k on players - that is equal to my surprise attack damage, and thus not lying

This half the reason why DK is so broke. His whip which hits for 6k is a product of 10% from engulfing flame, a root, a flame lash to proc that root and then a power lash. And then his NB hits the same amount of damage in 1 hit with a freaking gap closer, and a gap closer that actually works. Thats not even the NB nuke, look at the NB version of whip, surprise attack. Gives you 8% mitigation, removes 8% mitigation from your target, and does a whole lot more base damage than whip. Everything in the mDK is so contingent on an entourage of skill juggling meanwhile the NB is a Ferrari with 1 button performance.

______
I used to use reinforced for my shield because of the 75% shield armor from the CP line but I tested it and it didn't apply for the reinforced amount so I switched to impen on my shield. Not sure if it will work on nirn shield or not.

Also you may want to try Shattering Rocks instead of petrify. It gives you a second chance to proc powerlash because it applies a 50% chance to set off balance to everyone around including the person it was applied too. So if you are out numbered you can hit one guy that sets the group off balance, get a powerlash heal, hit another guy set the group off balance and get a powerlash heal and so on and so on. If there are 3 people you can basically keep something off balance at all times for a perma powerlash heal. And of course if you are in a 1v1 you can proc 2 powerlashes in 5 seconds rather than 1.

Also what are you using for a gap closer? How do you keep in melee range of sorcs or people with the hunt cancer set?

Nightblades lack survivability in exchange for the extra damage

Nightblade survivability scales with the extra damage. Make vigor/rally/shields scale purely from max HP like dragon blood/obsidian shield does, then we can talk about how increasing their damage sacrifices survivability.

Yeah I don't see a lack of survivability on NB, especially with how broken stam is right now. They have our armor from volitile armor as a passive, magicka dodge, spammable cloak, cloak and ward for a heal, spammable stealth which works if you aren't sloppy, 15% all stat regen as a passive, and generates ultimate twice as fast. The only thing we have for unique survival is reflect which is penetrated by any stealth shot, some morphs of snipe go through it, your own cp mitigation lowers the reflect damage and debufss go through the reflect. I just cannot see a squishy comparison to DKs. I mean if its compared to taking a hit yeah, because most us are in heavy armor, but that has nothing to with the class.

I don't think that one week is sufficient to make broad claims about the state of mDK. I hope he is right but I won't know till I see the video.