When race change costs more than DLC's...

Dymence · July 2016

People complained for a long time that there was no option to change races and said they would pay tons of crowns just so they could finally be viable instead of having a *** race. Here's what you get.

jhharvest · July 2016

Next patch nord racials are changed to max magicka and increased spell damage. Cha-ching! And altmer gets turned into a stam race. Cha-ching! And redguards get max health and health regen instead of stam. Cha-ching!

I think race change definitely shouldn't cost real money because it opens the temptation for the developer to milk the playerbase with nerfs and buffs.

Wolfshead · July 2016

Grunge wrote: »

Is race changing mandatory?

No it is not but it sound so on some people here on forum and it is not like some stand next to anyone of us hold a gun to our head and force us to do those change to our char and most funny thing about all this that we the community have ask for this service for month and we finally get people start complain about again this. It is service which mean no one if force to use it if the dont want to.

ItsGlaive · July 2016

Oakmontowls_ESO wrote: »

The argument that cosmetics cost more than dlc is a moot point when ZoS has said that they are purposely underpricing the dlc in order to have it more accessible and as a result they are going to charge more for cosmetics.

Given the size of DLCs, I'd say they're priced exactly where they should be. Except for Shadows of the Hist which is overpriced for just two dungeons.

CherryCake · July 2016

Im going to copy paste what I said in another thread...

I made a thread earlier yesterday out of my own curiosity, to see how many people actually support the game and how many dont. We obviously cant know the exact amount, there are plenty of members that dont use the forum, but it seems that it has the effect over and over which is : MORE SUBS than non subscribers. This does not excuse the cash shop prices going higher and higher or that ZOS needs the money because they dont get any. No. Most people pay monthly for this game. Monthly for getting strange costumes. Monthly for bugs that have been there for a few years.
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/280932/are-you-a-subscriber/p1

Calidus1 wrote: »

Price should be high to deter people from changing racial passives just to min/max every time they tweek a build. Free markets baby!!

You do realize its not our fault that Zos keeps changing stuff around right?

Banana · July 2016

It's taken that long. They must have put more hours into it and any of their DLCs. I expected to be robbed.

Enodoc · July 2016

When race change costs more than DLC's...

... you realise that comparing the cost of a Service to the cost of Content is like comparing apples to oranges, and never a good idea, as they are not comparable.

Garldeen · July 2016

Enodoc wrote: »

When race change costs more than DLC's...

... you realise that comparing the cost of a Service to the cost of Content is like comparing apples to oranges, and never a good idea, as they are not comparable.

But it is fair to compare the programming/design/dev requirements for each. I would think that it takes a lot more time, effort and money to make a DLC than change of hair feature

TheHsN · July 2016

i really cant understand...

You cant fix BUGS
You cant fix LAGS
You cant fix BALANCE
Your drop rates are aweful
You cant answer ur players wants
Terrible customer servises

and u have the most FAITHFUL PLAYERS ever...

which face u make everything that expensive. U even need to give those to them to thanks that they are still playing and subs to you

Bank assistant 5k stupid mounts 4-5 k race change 3 key.... when u become like import export company...

drakhan2002_ESO · July 2016

I think it is funny that people say they won't pay for something. I think that ZOS knows that some of you will not ever pay for the race change...but some of you will eventually break down and bite the bullet, even though you're complaining about it now. Then there are those like me, who not only have the resources to spend on their hobby, but also realize that the price is not going to change and adapt - they pay the price that is offered. (I railed against the price of the banker companion...but bit the bullet on that one...and have been very happy since - to me, I see the value of 5,000 crowns well spent for the convience).

I guess those that are complaining can reroll a new toon. Or they can stop playing the game out of principle. I'd imagine some will just realize that their sub-optimal race will be a good "alt". Any way you slice it, the price is not changing and ZOS does not care.

Samphaa · July 2016

Free in revelation online

snakester320 · July 2016

I can understand that most / nearly every mmo charges but $20 when they have made the races matter so much ive been playing ( after a long break ) for 3 weeks ive got no idea on racial bs just picked a character race and played now if theres a good and bad choice based on the class i want to play the $20 is a bit steep

Iluvrien · July 2016

Mojmir wrote: »

Firerock2 wrote: »

Funkopotamus wrote: »

I agree with the price.

Im sorry, but I for one am against more than one skil/at. point change per month honestly.

To many cry babies wanting to change to the flavor of the month when the "Power" build gets nerfed everyone wants to jump ship to the next big thing.

I think you really don't understand the situation. 1.6 changed the game completely and made it so that racial passives matter significantly. Before racial passives mattered but you could always gear yourself towards what you were lacking without them. I made my race choice prior to the massive change in 1.6 and now I have a less than ideal racial passive. I'm never going to able to do as much damage or have as much survivability now because I don't have the magicka racial passives.

This isn't about switching to a flavor of the month build. It's about making my character viable for PvP post 1.6 which was months and months ago. Now I have to basically pay for the entire game again if I want to change my race (which I won't). ZOS has refunded skill points in the past after a change to skills. They should give a free race change for the mess called 1.6.

I agree,and don't anyone think they aren't done messing with racial passives.

So, if they do give you the free race-change that you seem to be demanding... will you demand another one every time they change any racial passive?

IcyDeadPeople · July 2016

drakhan2002_ESO wrote: »

I think it is funny that people say they won't pay for something. I think that ZOS knows that some of you will not ever pay for the race change...but some of you will eventually break down and bite the bullet, even though you're complaining about it now. Then there are those like me, who not only have the resources to spend on their hobby, but also realize that the price is not going to change and adapt - they pay the price that is offered.
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If it were priced lower, we would buy a lot of them. I imagine it would result in more total revenue than selling only a small quantity at high price. Some of us might even respec the race every time we get an idea to try some crazy build.

Hopefully these tokens might go on sale at a discount at some point.

TheHsN · July 2016

Enodoc wrote: »

When race change costs more than DLC's...

... you realise that comparing the cost of a Service to the cost of Content is like comparing apples to oranges, and never a good idea, as they are not comparable.

!!!???

ok lets tell it to you like this ... u buy a car 10.000 euro but u need to change ur rims and it is 20.000 euros... yes it is apple and orange....:))))

drakhan2002_ESO · July 2016

IcyDeadPeople wrote: »

drakhan2002_ESO wrote: »

I think it is funny that people say they won't pay for something. I think that ZOS knows that some of you will not ever pay for the race change...but some of you will eventually break down and bite the bullet, even though you're complaining about it now. Then there are those like me, who not only have the resources to spend on their hobby, but also realize that the price is not going to change and adapt - they pay the price that is offered.
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If it were priced lower, we would buy a lot of them. I imagine it would result in more total revenue than selling only a small quantity at high price. Some of us might even respec the race every time we get an idea to try some crazy build.

Hopefully these tokens might go on sale at a discount at some point.

I can support your idea. And I like it. I would buy more too! However, time and again these proclimations of "lower the price, we'll buy more" fall on deaf ZOS ears. My point was that players will open their wallets if they want something - be it for prestige, status, ego - and I think that ZOS knows this about their player base.

While cash shops are nothing new to MMOs, the pricing model here is; ZOS is doing it differently and "we" as gamers are still snapping up the virtual items regardless of price. I dare say they could increase their prices more and people would *still* buy the stuff.

Enodoc · July 2016

wonkydog wrote: »

Enodoc wrote: »

When race change costs more than DLC's...

... you realise that comparing the cost of a Service to the cost of Content is like comparing apples to oranges, and never a good idea, as they are not comparable.

But it is fair to compare the programming/design/dev requirements for each. I would think that it takes a lot more time, effort and money to make a DLC than change of hair feature

Maybe; for a DLC you'll need new assets created and new content written, but you can use all the existing systems for quests, dungeons, mobs, and so on, because they're all part of the Base game already. For hairstyle changes you'll need new assets, and then you need an entire new system created to be able to allow players to use them. We hear quite a lot about what Wrobel, Finn, and the rest of the content teams get up to, but don't forget they have an entirely different team for systems and UI, and we don't hear much about what goes into creating those.

starkerealm · July 2016

leepalmer95 wrote: »

Race change 3k crowns... really.

The ability to change your race is priced more than your dlc's.

Says a lot.

You mean like, "don't change your character's race unless you're really serious about it?"

mb10 · July 2016

Good. I always posted it should be expensive. Or else people will be switching races every week and there will be a few master races.

Im glad with the pricing.

Robbmrp · July 2016

Race change is priced just right. It's high enough so that not everyone will do it. Otherwise people would be changing races on a daily basis to try them out. Only the min maxers who have plenty of cash will be the ones who do now. I have an Orc Templar that I've played for two years and have a ton of fun with. There's nothing about them that's made me go "I wish I could change his race"....

If you want to min max a character and don't want to foot the bill for a Race change then just reroll. Once you hit 50 your at max level now and it takes like what, 2 weeks to get there if you grind..... NOT A BIG DEAL.....

STEVIL · July 2016

Leandor wrote: »

Tyrion87 wrote: »

Because of that ridiculous pricing, they won't have my money. Again.
If the prices were lower by half, I would consider.
They would earn more money by lowering prices. Then more people would buy cosmetic items from the crown store.
Much more.

This game is ripe with whales, just check the amount of neon cats. I am fairly sure that lowering prices will not significantly increase their totals.

This is different. Neon cat, nightmare, banker, costumes i can use over and over on all 12 characters.

This is a one and done. As s9meone observed - a consumable.

If it were cheap and eady a lot of repeat business would occur IMO. Halloween theme nights, christmas etc.

AlnilamE · July 2016

leepalmer95 wrote: »

Race change 3k crowns... really.

The ability to change your race is priced more than your dlc's.

Says a lot.

I think that's awesome. Makes people think about whether they really want the FotM race or not. Should be 4-5K really.

I_killed_Vivec · July 2016

If you don't like the cost then don't change your race. If you choose to change then you have to pay the going rate. Put up or shut up.

STEVIL · July 2016

While all my potential changes are on hold due to prices, i certainly would NOT pay for race chg for at least a month,given the tendency for minor tweaks to new content right after release. Hate if i switched to argonian aug 2 only to see argonian patched a week later.

Gwythyr · July 2016

Does anyone know what is included in the 3500 crowns Race Change Bundle?

Francescolg · July 2016

I am very unhappy about the price, IMHO it should be half of it!
They keep changing too much in this game, reading the patch notes takes as long as reading a book and even race abilities are changed pretty often.. That means: Eso is everything else than reliable and, after a few months, everything can change significantly. Therefore, people, especially the ones who are new to the game or the ones who find it very complicated, might need a race change.

To avoid abuse, race change prices could rise consequently: 1. Change 2k, 2. Change 5k,... a.s.o.until the highest price. THAT would be fair an make the game much more attractive to a broader audience. Instead, ZOS is catering the powergamer, the crafter and the wealthy gamer. I'll quote a new guild member: "this game is too expensive and too complicated".

Enodoc · July 2016

Gwythyr wrote: »

Does anyone know what is included in the 3500 crowns Race Change Bundle?

@Gwythyr Race Change and Name Change.

starkerealm · July 2016

Robbmrp wrote: »

If you want to min max a character and don't want to foot the bill for a Race change then just reroll. Once you hit 50 your at max level now and it takes like what, 2 weeks to get there if you grind..... NOT A BIG DEAL.....

The Hardcore grinders are insisting you can hit 50 in about 10 hours, these days. So, maybe a day?

ZOS_CoriJ · July 2016

We appreciate hearing feedback on recent changes, however this is one in many threads already discussing this topic. We are closing this thread, but encourage you to continue this conversation here.