Jewelry crafting will happen, but with custom sets in my opinion. I think it'd make other crafting too powerful if you could make double 5 5 sets like hundings and night mother

For those worried about best in slot availability and gold jewellery becoming common place, just look at the cost of tempers. Now assume that gem crafting tempers are mostly commonly dropped items and are dropped from appropriate content, with the hardest content giving the best chance. Suddenly running trials at max cp rating has become worthwhile as it will give you the precious tempers to upgrade your gear... or allow you to sell said tempers for a fortune. Currently trials don't actually drop alot of stuff that people really need.

Sure!

Ch4mpTW wrote: »

Vangy wrote: »

Waseem wrote: »

the idea u can quit ESO for 2 years and return and have BiS gear in 10 mins is not appealing..
some jewelry may be tradable now. but i like the fact that usually, you have to work your way to have BiS jewelry with special effects etc

juhasman wrote: »

That would make too many easy obtainable and OP combinations. Dropable sets would have none adventage, especialy if You want to also add improving that jewelery to gold quality. It's next thread where lazy people want this game to become full easy mode. I would support jewelery crafting only if there was jewelery sets separate from present crafted armor sets where You can craft jewelery only for those sets, or maybe jewelery+weapons ,similar to how agility/willpower works now but this sets would need to be slightly weaker then dropable or craftabe armor sets.

Id like an example of how 2 craftable sets equipped (assuming jewellery crafting exists) is going to be better than using the current drop set BiS combinations now? Like I dont see anything better for a stam DK than 5 TBS/hundings/OPHIDIAN + 2 maelstrom daggers which only leaves you with 2 monster helm slots + 3 jewellery. Even if you argue that a 5 set crafted bonus is going to be better than 3 agility + 2 monster set, 80% of your build still comes from dropped sets. Whats with the irrational fear?

Exactly. You hit the nail right on the head. And I can tell you right now. It's not fear. It's selfishness. You see, a common trait in people I've met in MMO's is the whole: "I had to EARN mine, and others should too." And while there is absolutely nothing wrong with earning anything, there is however something wrong with the selfishness that comes with the logic behind it.

For example as I said earlier. I have done VMA well over 100x in order to achieve the amazing weapons I have, and still have to continue until I receive the staves I need (I still haven't received a single destruction staff lol). Yet, I'd never want other players to have to grind and farm VMA like I have done and continue to do. Why? Because it's boring, and I know what that feeling of dread is like. I don't want players to have to sit for hours doing the hardest content in the game over and over again, for something that they probably will never achieve. Let alone in a good trait. Why? Because I'm not selfish.

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Vangy wrote: »

Waseem wrote: »

the idea u can quit ESO for 2 years and return and have BiS gear in 10 mins is not appealing..
some jewelry may be tradable now. but i like the fact that usually, you have to work your way to have BiS jewelry with special effects etc

juhasman wrote: »

That would make too many easy obtainable and OP combinations. Dropable sets would have none adventage, especialy if You want to also add improving that jewelery to gold quality. It's next thread where lazy people want this game to become full easy mode. I would support jewelery crafting only if there was jewelery sets separate from present crafted armor sets where You can craft jewelery only for those sets, or maybe jewelery+weapons ,similar to how agility/willpower works now but this sets would need to be slightly weaker then dropable or craftabe armor sets.

@Waseem @juhasman
Id like an example of how 2 craftable sets equipped (assuming jewellery crafting exists) is going to be better than using the current drop set BiS combinations now? Like I dont see anything better for a stam DK than 5 TBS/hundings/OPHIDIAN + 2 maelstrom daggers which only leaves you with 2 monster set slots + 3 jewellery. Even if you argue that a 5 set crafted bonus is going to be better than 3 agility + 2 monster set, 70% of your build still comes from dropped sets. Whats with the irrational fear?

And even for a healer, I dont see anything besting SPC or transmutation(for PvP). BIS slot has always been dropped sets... Which most of the time ALREADY come with jewellery slots. I dont think a crafted set can every replace the sheer utility that comes with sets like SPC or ophidian or scathing mage etc.

The only thing selfish is that you dont want people to have even marginally competitive sets without grinding for a year. Crafted gear will NEVER beat the likes of SPC or ophidian or maelstrom weapons. That much is a fact. So whats up with you being against giving people more options? especially since those options are nowhere near as competitive as BIS dropped sets? Explain pls.

About that TBS+VO combo TBS+night mother would give similar results belive me and TBS+Hunding would be just slightly worse but both would need 5 minutes to get instead of farming VO. For PvP just imagine : julianos+seducer , magnus+seducer , eternal hunt+tava's favor etc. Show me few examples of BiS droppable sets which dont have jewelery, and then thing about how many crafted sets are now BiS in PvP even without having jewelery. That's the gear ballance. Crafted sets are easy obtainable ,You can have them with any armor type, any weapon, any trait and any style but they dont have jewelery which droppable sets have. And You want to ruin that ballance only because You're too lazy to go few times on dungeons/trial because You want to get everything instant.
EDITED: And please stop with that ,,selfish" argument it's silly. There is update coming which allows players to trade BoP items inside group You have cyro vendor with monster sets each week, game still makes collecting the droppable items easier and You still cry that it takes too long without even testing new BoP trade mechanic. This is real selfish, crying for changing present healthy game mechanic only because You're too lazy to do dungeon/trial few times. I am not a grinding fan but i belive that if i am going somwhere to get some set and i spend some time there to get this thing it must be much better then the set someone was able to make during his groupmates WC break and it must have adventage over that WC break crafted one.

Qbiken wrote: »

the idea u can quit ESO for 2 years and return and have BiS gear in 10 mins is not appealing..
some jewelry may be tradable now. but i like the fact that usually, you have to work your way to have BiS jewelry with special effects etc This is my biggest concern, that eso goes more towards easymode than it should

Let's think about this for a second. If you left ESO two years ago, with a BiS jewelry set equipped... you'd return to a set of V12 purple jewelry no one would give you the time of day for...

Reasonable to assume, two years from now, a gold V16 ring you got today will not be BiS.

juhasman wrote: »

Vangy wrote: »

Waseem wrote: »

the idea u can quit ESO for 2 years and return and have BiS gear in 10 mins is not appealing..
some jewelry may be tradable now. but i like the fact that usually, you have to work your way to have BiS jewelry with special effects etc

juhasman wrote: »

That would make too many easy obtainable and OP combinations. Dropable sets would have none adventage, especialy if You want to also add improving that jewelery to gold quality. It's next thread where lazy people want this game to become full easy mode. I would support jewelery crafting only if there was jewelery sets separate from present crafted armor sets where You can craft jewelery only for those sets, or maybe jewelery+weapons ,similar to how agility/willpower works now but this sets would need to be slightly weaker then dropable or craftabe armor sets.

@Waseem @juhasman
Id like an example of how 2 craftable sets equipped (assuming jewellery crafting exists) is going to be better than using the current drop set BiS combinations now? Like I dont see anything better for a stam DK than 5 TBS/hundings/OPHIDIAN + 2 maelstrom daggers which only leaves you with 2 monster set slots + 3 jewellery. Even if you argue that a 5 set crafted bonus is going to be better than 3 agility + 2 monster set, 70% of your build still comes from dropped sets. Whats with the irrational fear?

And even for a healer, I dont see anything besting SPC or transmutation(for PvP). BIS slot has always been dropped sets... Which most of the time ALREADY come with jewellery slots. I dont think a crafted set can every replace the sheer utility that comes with sets like SPC or ophidian or scathing mage etc.

The only thing selfish is that you dont want people to have even marginally competitive sets without grinding for a year. Crafted gear will NEVER beat the likes of SPC or ophidian or maelstrom weapons. That much is a fact. So whats up with you being against giving people more options? especially since those options are nowhere near as competitive as BIS dropped sets? Explain pls.

About that TBS+VO combo TBS+night mother would give similar results belive me and TBS+Hunding would be just slightly worse but both would need 5 minutes to get instead of farming VO. For PvP just imagine : julianos+seducer , magnus+seducer , eternal hunt+tava's favor etc. Show me few examples of BiS droppable sets which dont have jewelery, and then thing about how many crafted sets are now BiS in PvP even without having jewelery. That's the gear ballance. Crafted sets are easy obtainable ,You can have them with any armor type, any weapon, any trait and any style but they dont have jewelery which droppable sets have. And You want to ruin that ballance only because You're too lazy to go few times on dungeons/trial because You want to get everything instant.
EDITED: And please stop with that ,,selfish" argument it's silly. There is update coming which allows players to trade BoP items inside group You have cyro vendor with monster sets each week, game still makes collecting the droppable items easier and You still cry that it takes too long without even testing new BoP trade mechanic. This is real selfish, crying for changing present healthy game mechanic only because You're too lazy to do dungeon/trial few times. I am not a grinding fan but i belive that if i am going somwhere to get some set and i spend some time there to get this thing it must be much better then the set someone was able to make during his groupmates WC break and it must have adventage over that WC break crafted one.

Viper, Lich, IC set, Skirmisher, Vice Canon, Black Rose and Aether are very powerfull in PvP and none of it is craftable, so I can't agree on the part that crafted sets are stronger than dropsets (actually the opposite is the case in my opinion). I use Vice Canon and Viper on my Nightblade in PvP and if they would introduce jewelry crafting I think that I would still use it.

Ragnaroek93 wrote: »

juhasman wrote: »

Vangy wrote: »

Waseem wrote: »

the idea u can quit ESO for 2 years and return and have BiS gear in 10 mins is not appealing..
some jewelry may be tradable now. but i like the fact that usually, you have to work your way to have BiS jewelry with special effects etc

juhasman wrote: »

That would make too many easy obtainable and OP combinations. Dropable sets would have none adventage, especialy if You want to also add improving that jewelery to gold quality. It's next thread where lazy people want this game to become full easy mode. I would support jewelery crafting only if there was jewelery sets separate from present crafted armor sets where You can craft jewelery only for those sets, or maybe jewelery+weapons ,similar to how agility/willpower works now but this sets would need to be slightly weaker then dropable or craftabe armor sets.

@Waseem @juhasman
Id like an example of how 2 craftable sets equipped (assuming jewellery crafting exists) is going to be better than using the current drop set BiS combinations now? Like I dont see anything better for a stam DK than 5 TBS/hundings/OPHIDIAN + 2 maelstrom daggers which only leaves you with 2 monster set slots + 3 jewellery. Even if you argue that a 5 set crafted bonus is going to be better than 3 agility + 2 monster set, 70% of your build still comes from dropped sets. Whats with the irrational fear?

And even for a healer, I dont see anything besting SPC or transmutation(for PvP). BIS slot has always been dropped sets... Which most of the time ALREADY come with jewellery slots. I dont think a crafted set can every replace the sheer utility that comes with sets like SPC or ophidian or scathing mage etc.

The only thing selfish is that you dont want people to have even marginally competitive sets without grinding for a year. Crafted gear will NEVER beat the likes of SPC or ophidian or maelstrom weapons. That much is a fact. So whats up with you being against giving people more options? especially since those options are nowhere near as competitive as BIS dropped sets? Explain pls.

About that TBS+VO combo TBS+night mother would give similar results belive me and TBS+Hunding would be just slightly worse but both would need 5 minutes to get instead of farming VO. For PvP just imagine : julianos+seducer , magnus+seducer , eternal hunt+tava's favor etc. Show me few examples of BiS droppable sets which dont have jewelery, and then thing about how many crafted sets are now BiS in PvP even without having jewelery. That's the gear ballance. Crafted sets are easy obtainable ,You can have them with any armor type, any weapon, any trait and any style but they dont have jewelery which droppable sets have. And You want to ruin that ballance only because You're too lazy to go few times on dungeons/trial because You want to get everything instant.
EDITED: And please stop with that ,,selfish" argument it's silly. There is update coming which allows players to trade BoP items inside group You have cyro vendor with monster sets each week, game still makes collecting the droppable items easier and You still cry that it takes too long without even testing new BoP trade mechanic. This is real selfish, crying for changing present healthy game mechanic only because You're too lazy to do dungeon/trial few times. I am not a grinding fan but i belive that if i am going somwhere to get some set and i spend some time there to get this thing it must be much better then the set someone was able to make during his groupmates WC break and it must have adventage over that WC break crafted one.

Viper, Lich, IC set, Skirmisher, Vice Canon, Black Rose and Aether are very powerfull in PvP and none of it is craftable, so I can't agree on the part that crafted sets are stronger than dropsets (actually the opposite is the case in my opinion). I use Vice Canon and Viper on my Nightblade in PvP and if they would introduce jewelry crafting I think that I would still use it.

Vice cannon and black rose are IC sets ,also I would not count black rose due to fact it takes 10 minutes to get tel vars required to buy 5 pieces. Viper, skirmisher, aether and vice cannon have jewelery and weapons so You can have fully crafted set+this ones or 2 dropped sets what gives them that healthy adventage over crafted sets i mentioned. Your post only shows i had right because i was writing that there is not much droppable sets which dont have jewelery and are considered as BiS on PvP and this is why craftable sets shouldnt have jewelery. Also You cannot say for sure You would stay with present combination of sets because 1st. You dont know how it would work when You would be able to craft jewelery 2nd You dont know what crafted sets will come. Btw i was not saying that crafted sets are stronger but that it could be with jewelery crafting.