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Why Are Nightblades so OP!
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Drdeath20✭✭✭✭✭
✭Ok I been arguing with one my guildies off and on who constantly complaining about NB class being OP he says we are the easiest class in the game but yet he always dying to a NB the irony plus he's a Templar
Is it bcz mass hysteria and cloak are equally as effective for a Stamblade ot magblade? Or is it bcz with how pathetic stealth detection is you can gank solo or in a battle? Getting kills always helps your alliance.0 -
Lexxypwns✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭NB actually counters templar very hard, they have a CC that goes through block, ridiculous burst potential and a cheap ultimate with a heal debuff attatched. Sure, templar can purge the debuffs, but that's an extra GCD during which you can execute them. Personally, on my stam blade, magplar is the second easiest kill behind mdkJust a day ago i saw a post that was sayng that templars are the most op class, i'm so sick of these discussions, as i said before, some people will say that sorcs are the most op, some will say that nightblade is, some will say that templars are, other will say that dk's are, maybie you are just a bad player, and you change your mind about what's the most op class based on how many times you were killed by one specific class?? Maybie, but who am i to judge.
Magplars are in a good place right now. Decent in 1v1 fights but really excells as a part of a group. You can go in many directions with the build. Pure healer, long range caster, hybrid, upclose punturing sweeps spammer, tank, staff melee build etc...
Stamplars are not good at anything. Jabs hits harder than most skills but is easily dodge able and lacks anything to make it special. Punturing sweeps heals you aswell as snares you if you manage to land final hit. jabs provides the 2 second snare if you manage to land the final hit and increases your crit rating. I'd rather go dizzying swing bcz it's instant and if you land 1 you will most likely land 2 hits on an opponent. The templar ultimates are mainly for Magicka users. Major mending means I have to preemptively drop a rune or cleansing ritual which takes away the element of suprise. So you either choose to stealth kill without MM or lower your DPS dropping the rune that takes away your stealth. Most of the time i go with rally. BoL and radiant are very weak to a stamplar. a cheap purge is about the only advantage a stamplar has.
Magicka or stamina nightblades are good at killing targets and for either build your trump card , mass hysteria and cloak, is equally as effective.
Couldn't be more wrong, you don't need to start a fight with major mending, you use rune or ritual when you're LoS'ing and then you have vigor+rally ticks with major mending up while dodge rolling with shuffle. You have a great burst ult in Dawnbreaker, a class purge, major mending, phenominal aoe/area denial, and since you're stacking point into thaumaturge anyway, poison injection and malestrom bow volley are both ridiculously hard hitting on a properly built stamplar.
I'll typically do the following: Buff up, drink a pot for alchemist proc, bow medium, poison injection, dodge roll for skirmisher proc, stampede(snare helps jabs hit), jabs, medium weave reverse slash(or just dawnbreaker). Its not 100% effective, but its a solid way to open and even if you're fighting a good player the burst available is just nasty and will punish them for making any mistakes. As long as you're not charging too far out of position you will typically have time to maneuver to LoS, like most other builds, being caught in the open out numbered is trouble.Edited by Lexxypwns on July 24, 2016 8:55PM0 -
zyk✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭The OP NB myth stems from players with poorly built characters who constantly get ganked.
If you want to know which classes are actually over-performing, just look at the composition of the top groups.Edited by zyk on July 24, 2016 8:53PM1 -
CherryCake✭✭✭✭✭
✭NB actually counters templar very hard, they have a CC that goes through block, ridiculous burst potential and a cheap ultimate with a heal debuff attatched. Sure, templar can purge the debuffs, but that's an extra GCD during which you can execute them. Personally, on my stam blade, magplar is the second easiest kill behind mdk
Well to be fair, my magplar dies extremely easy... easier than my non CP stamblade, no matter how much I try to heal through, if I am ambushed by 5 nightblades, its done in 2 seconds.I like sweetrolls and I cannot lie0 -
haunted1994F✭✭✭NB aint OP get impen gear, and let them COME ill rekt them hard. and they cloak and run like a btch1
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RinaldoGandolphi✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭Nightblades, the Stam variety in particular have far less pronounced weakness in open world pvp then pretty much every magic class including Templars.
Magic Templars weakness is a small stam pool, attack that you kill the Templar usually. This game has far too many CC and snares that it favor Stam far too much in damage and utility
Between shuffle and forward momentum making them immune to roots and snares along with dodge and major evasion and HOT stacking allows Stam builds to stack very high damage with very little risk...the only thing the magic Templar has is radiant.....it's very lopsided when you look at it in open world pvp
Pve magic may be better, but in pvp the game of cc + burst stamina reigns supreme all the way as they have less pronounced weakness then magic builds and their skills hit harder for 20% cheaper then their magic counterpartsRinaldo Gandolphi-Breton Sorcerer Daggerfall Covenant
Juste Gandolphi Dark Elf Templar Daggerfall Covenant
Richter Gandolphi - Dark Elf Dragonknight Daggerfall Covenant
Mathias Gandolphi - Breton Nightblade Daggerfall Covenant
RinaldoGandolphi - High Elf Sorcerer Aldmeri Dominion
Officer Fire and Ice
Co-GM - MVP
Sorcerer's - The ONLY class in the game that is punished for using its class defining skill (Bolt Escape)
"Here in his shrine, that they have forgotten. Here do we toil, that we might remember. By night we reclaim, what by day was stolen. Far from ourselves, he grows ever near to us. Our eyes once were blinded, now through him do we see. Our hands once were idle, now through them does he speak. And when the world shall listen, and when the world shall see, and when the world remembers, that world will cease to be. - Miraak0 -
RinaldoGandolphi✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭Not to say I want Stam nerfed, because I don't but things are kinda lopsided right nowRinaldo Gandolphi-Breton Sorcerer Daggerfall Covenant
Juste Gandolphi Dark Elf Templar Daggerfall Covenant
Richter Gandolphi - Dark Elf Dragonknight Daggerfall Covenant
Mathias Gandolphi - Breton Nightblade Daggerfall Covenant
RinaldoGandolphi - High Elf Sorcerer Aldmeri Dominion
Officer Fire and Ice
Co-GM - MVP
Sorcerer's - The ONLY class in the game that is punished for using its class defining skill (Bolt Escape)
"Here in his shrine, that they have forgotten. Here do we toil, that we might remember. By night we reclaim, what by day was stolen. Far from ourselves, he grows ever near to us. Our eyes once were blinded, now through him do we see. Our hands once were idle, now through them does he speak. And when the world shall listen, and when the world shall see, and when the world remembers, that world will cease to be. - Miraak0 -
Bakven✭✭✭Nightblade isn't OP. It is the most balanced class right now, but with everyone that dies complaining about them and calling for nerfs, they'll go the way of mDK. Most problems that people are having are l2p issues. Literally any class will be considered "OP" by people who are just salty and die because they aren't actually as good as they think they are (this also goes for people saying anyone who kills them is cheating but that's for another time). Stop calling for nerfs and you'll see a bit more balance between the classes. Each class has it's own advantage and disadvantage, that's why there are different classes. If anyone really thinks a class to too OP then start calling for there to be no classes and all abilities are used by anyone. Guess what, you'll still see nerf this nerf that posts. Nerfing things because of a l2p issue is jsut gonna kill the game that much faster.EP NA Haderus
Iscangar- Mageblade (retired pvp; pve only now)
Emlyn Medresi - Magicka DK
Soon to come
Vash'rassa- Stamblade
-Tiffany - Stam DK
Trokaar - Mageblade (vamp/Iscangar 2.0)1 -
Lexxypwns✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭Just a day ago i saw a post that was sayng that templars are the most op class, i'm so sick of these discussions, as i said before, some people will say that sorcs are the most op, some will say that nightblade is, some will say that templars are, other will say that dk's are, maybie you are just a bad player, and you change your mind about what's the most op class based on how many times you were killed by one specific class?? Maybie, but who am i to judge.
Magplars are in a good place right now. Decent in 1v1 fights but really excells as a part of a group. You can go in many directions with the build. Pure healer, long range caster, hybrid, upclose punturing sweeps spammer, tank, staff melee build etc...
Stamplars are not good at anything. Jabs hits harder than most skills but is easily dodge able and lacks anything to make it special. Punturing sweeps heals you aswell as snares you if you manage to land final hit. jabs provides the 2 second snare if you manage to land the final hit and increases your crit rating. I'd rather go dizzying swing bcz it's instant and if you land 1 you will most likely land 2 hits on an opponent. The templar ultimates are mainly for Magicka users. Major mending means I have to preemptively drop a rune or cleansing ritual which takes away the element of suprise. So you either choose to stealth kill without MM or lower your DPS dropping the rune that takes away your stealth. Most of the time i go with rally. BoL and radiant are very weak to a stamplar. a cheap purge is about the only advantage a stamplar has.
Magicka or stamina nightblades are good at killing targets and for either build your trump card , mass hysteria and cloak, is equally as effective.haunted1994F wrote: »NB aint OP get impen gear, and let them COME ill rekt them hard. and they cloak and run like a btch
A good Stamblade really only uses cloak for the buffs its activates and to reapply other buffs. If they're cloaking for anything else they're probably bad0 -
Brrrofski✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭They're definitely top tier in pvp. A good stam Nb is really strong. Not OP though.
Malaubeth on a templar is the only seriously op thing in pvp currently.Edited by Brrrofski on July 24, 2016 9:16PM0 -
Korah_Eaglecry✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭EstelioVeleth wrote: »NB actually counters templar very hard, they have a CC that goes through block, ridiculous burst potential and a cheap ultimate with a heal debuff attatched. Sure, templar can purge the debuffs, but that's an extra GCD during which you can execute them. Personally, on my stam blade, magplar is the second easiest kill behind mdk
Well to be fair, my magplar dies extremely easy... easier than my non CP stamblade, no matter how much I try to heal through, if I am ambushed by 5 nightblades, its done in 2 seconds.
Im absolutely shocked. SHOCKED I say. 5 nighblades and you die?Penniless Sellsword CompanyCaptain Paramount - Jorrhaq VhentKorith Eaglecry * Enrerion Aedihle * Laerinel Rhaev * Caius Berilius * Seylina Ithvala * H'Vak the GrimjawlTenarei Rhaev * Dazsh Ro Khar * Yynril Rothvani * Bathes-In-Coin * Anaelle Faerniil * Azjani Ma'LesAban Shahid Bakr * Kheshna gra-Gharbuk * Gallisten Bondurant * Etain Maquier * Atsu Kalame * Faulpia SeverinusWhat is better, to be born good, or to overcome your evil nature through great effort? - Paarthurnax2 -
CherryCake✭✭✭✭✭
✭Korah_Eaglecry wrote: »EstelioVeleth wrote: »NB actually counters templar very hard, they have a CC that goes through block, ridiculous burst potential and a cheap ultimate with a heal debuff attatched. Sure, templar can purge the debuffs, but that's an extra GCD during which you can execute them. Personally, on my stam blade, magplar is the second easiest kill behind mdk
Well to be fair, my magplar dies extremely easy... easier than my non CP stamblade, no matter how much I try to heal through, if I am ambushed by 5 nightblades, its done in 2 seconds.
Im absolutely shocked. SHOCKED I say. 5 nighblades and you die?
Sir I dont know if you are using the ultimate ability of sarcasm on me :'(...I like sweetrolls and I cannot lie0 -
Korah_Eaglecry✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭EstelioVeleth wrote: »Korah_Eaglecry wrote: »EstelioVeleth wrote: »NB actually counters templar very hard, they have a CC that goes through block, ridiculous burst potential and a cheap ultimate with a heal debuff attatched. Sure, templar can purge the debuffs, but that's an extra GCD during which you can execute them. Personally, on my stam blade, magplar is the second easiest kill behind mdk
Well to be fair, my magplar dies extremely easy... easier than my non CP stamblade, no matter how much I try to heal through, if I am ambushed by 5 nightblades, its done in 2 seconds.
Im absolutely shocked. SHOCKED I say. 5 nighblades and you die?
Sir I dont know if you are using the ultimate ability of sarcasm on me :'(...
It can come out of no where. I do apologize.Penniless Sellsword CompanyCaptain Paramount - Jorrhaq VhentKorith Eaglecry * Enrerion Aedihle * Laerinel Rhaev * Caius Berilius * Seylina Ithvala * H'Vak the GrimjawlTenarei Rhaev * Dazsh Ro Khar * Yynril Rothvani * Bathes-In-Coin * Anaelle Faerniil * Azjani Ma'LesAban Shahid Bakr * Kheshna gra-Gharbuk * Gallisten Bondurant * Etain Maquier * Atsu Kalame * Faulpia SeverinusWhat is better, to be born good, or to overcome your evil nature through great effort? - Paarthurnax1 -
CherryCake✭✭✭✭✭
✭Korah_Eaglecry wrote: »EstelioVeleth wrote: »Korah_Eaglecry wrote: »EstelioVeleth wrote: »NB actually counters templar very hard, they have a CC that goes through block, ridiculous burst potential and a cheap ultimate with a heal debuff attatched. Sure, templar can purge the debuffs, but that's an extra GCD during which you can execute them. Personally, on my stam blade, magplar is the second easiest kill behind mdk
Well to be fair, my magplar dies extremely easy... easier than my non CP stamblade, no matter how much I try to heal through, if I am ambushed by 5 nightblades, its done in 2 seconds.
Im absolutely shocked. SHOCKED I say. 5 nighblades and you die?
Sir I dont know if you are using the ultimate ability of sarcasm on me :'(...
It can come out of no where. I do apologize.
Apology accepted
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Drdeath20✭✭✭✭✭
✭Nightblade isn't OP. It is the most balanced class right now, but with everyone that dies complaining about them and calling for nerfs, they'll go the way of mDK. Most problems that people are having are l2p issues. Literally any class will be considered "OP" by people who are just salty and die because they aren't actually as good as they think they are (this also goes for people saying anyone who kills them is cheating but that's for another time). Stop calling for nerfs and you'll see a bit more balance between the classes. Each class has it's own advantage and disadvantage, that's why there are different classes. If anyone really thinks a class to too OP then start calling for there to be no classes and all abilities are used by anyone. Guess what, you'll still see nerf this nerf that posts. Nerfing things because of a l2p issue is jsut gonna kill the game that much faster.
The thing with nightblades that makes them really good applies to both stamina and Magicka equally. Mass hysteria and cloak are equally effective for Magicka or stamina. Oh and You still get your major fracture and stun with incapacitating strike on Magicka and stamina builds.
For templars purifying ritual is the only skill that can be universally used by both stamina and Magicka users without any enormous drop off. Can I still use BoL as a stamplar? Yes but now my 8k plus pvp heal drops down to 1500.0 -
Bakven✭✭✭@Drdeath20
can my mageblade use DBoS? yes, but I lose on a lot of damage from other ultimates because it scales off stamina. And just how I'm comparing an ultimate is the same as how you compare a cc to a heal ability, it means almost nothing. As for fear being op we can discuss that but that's a single ability, not an entire class.
Edited by Bakven on July 24, 2016 10:02PMEP NA Haderus
Iscangar- Mageblade (retired pvp; pve only now)
Emlyn Medresi - Magicka DK
Soon to come
Vash'rassa- Stamblade
-Tiffany - Stam DK
Trokaar - Mageblade (vamp/Iscangar 2.0)0 -
visionality✭✭✭✭✭Ok I been arguing with one my guildies off and on who constantly complaining about NB class being OP he says we are the easiest class in the game but yet he always dying to a NB the irony plus he's a Templar
Same, same old story: NB can - but don't have to - achieve high burst damage and ppl who don't know who to play their own char in PVP (especially when it comes to crit damage/impen) cry like little babies. Has nothing to do with OP nightblades and all to do with l2p. Sorry for all ppl who feel personally insulted now, but it's an honest truth.3 -
Drdeath20✭✭✭✭✭
✭@Drdeath20
can my mageblade use DBoS? yes, but I lose on a lot of damage from other ultimates because it scales off stamina. And just how I'm comparing an ultimate is the same as how you compare a cc to a heal ability, it means almost nothing. As for fear being op we can discuss that but that's a single ability, not an entire class.
Reread what I wrote. Im Not comparing a cc to a heal ability. I'm pointing out the issue that nightblades have the most strong abilities that are not diminished from a stamina or magicka build. I'm not really familiar with sorcs or dragon Knights but for templars only have one ability that is equally effective for a stamina or magicka build. for a templar its purifying ritual.0 -
Aquanova✭✭✭✭✭Templar I think you mean OP. That is ofc if you PvP.
NB? No way.
I don't see a lot of NBs running around solo in TrueFlame at all. I do see groups and even solution Templar though.
A lot of PvP guilds are running templar as well and not just for the heals.
Only thing NB is really good atm is pve and then again of you know how to use them which goes for pvp as well.NA/PC0