Ebonheart1111 wrote: »

I saw a stat sheet with over 4k unbuffed wpd on a redguard nb... How does one get that much wp? I am running 5 hundings, 3 agi jewelry all robust, 1 kena, 2 leki. 2h & bow all gold with wp dmg enchants. Stam enchants. Warrior mundus. Imp on most, divines and infused on head and shoulders. All attributes into stam. Blue stam/health food.

What am I missing?

'Unbuffed'

Was he crouching that adds 10% to his tooltip, did he have kena proc? Alchemist proc, rally up?

Do you know he isn't buffed?

Pretty sure it's impossible to have 4k unbuffed, without kena proc, alch or rally.

He's likely just a gank build anyway.

Lexxypwns wrote: »

what do you mean by unbuffed?

without major brutality I've got more than 4k weapon damage, but its hardly unbuffed, that's with kena, alchemist, and skirmisher proc.

leepalmer95 wrote: »

Ebonheart1111 wrote: »

I saw a stat sheet with over 4k unbuffed wpd on a redguard nb... How does one get that much wp? I am running 5 hundings, 3 agi jewelry all robust, 1 kena, 2 leki. 2h & bow all gold with wp dmg enchants. Stam enchants. Warrior mundus. Imp on most, divines and infused on head and shoulders. All attributes into stam. Blue stam/health food.

What am I missing?

'Unbuffed'

Was he crouching that adds 10% to his tooltip, did he have kena proc? Alchemist proc, rally up?

Do you know he isn't buffed?

Pretty sure it's impossible to have 4k unbuffed, without kena proc, alch or rally.

He's likely just a gank build anyway.

I Think its cute you think a high burst build is only for ganking, you can sustain in pvp on a stamblade with like 1k stam regen or less.

Sustain? You mean relying on redguard passive and attacks up? You can sustain but you won't that well, thing is with regen and other skills such a dark deal and repentance you can sustain when your not attacking people, the moment you need to go on the defensive and roll dodge/heals etc.. you lose almost your entire sustain.

This my Khajiit Stamblade

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Not going to wait for his food to expire. No other active buffs.

He's not so special. He has blue Flanking jewelry. Equipment is 5 Flanking, 5 Hundings, 2 Night Mothers.

4K weapon damage is not so special.

Well I can get 3,7k unpuffed with morkuldin so I dont think its so hard to get 4k if using hundings.

Lexxypwns wrote: »

what do you mean by unbuffed?

without major brutality I've got more than 4k weapon damage, but its hardly unbuffed, that's with kena, alchemist, and skirmisher proc.

leepalmer95 wrote: »

Ebonheart1111 wrote: »

I saw a stat sheet with over 4k unbuffed wpd on a redguard nb... How does one get that much wp? I am running 5 hundings, 3 agi jewelry all robust, 1 kena, 2 leki. 2h & bow all gold with wp dmg enchants. Stam enchants. Warrior mundus. Imp on most, divines and infused on head and shoulders. All attributes into stam. Blue stam/health food.

What am I missing?

'Unbuffed'

Was he crouching that adds 10% to his tooltip, did he have kena proc? Alchemist proc, rally up?

Do you know he isn't buffed?

Pretty sure it's impossible to have 4k unbuffed, without kena proc, alch or rally.

He's likely just a gank build anyway.

I Think its cute you think a high burst build is only for ganking, you can sustain in pvp on a stamblade with like 1k stam regen or less.

I'm a little confused as to how would you sustain with 1k regen unless you are in a zerg. Nightblades usually need to run more regen than the other stam classes

sluice wrote: »

thankyourat wrote: »

Lexxypwns wrote: »

what do you mean by unbuffed?

without major brutality I've got more than 4k weapon damage, but its hardly unbuffed, that's with kena, alchemist, and skirmisher proc.

leepalmer95 wrote: »

Ebonheart1111 wrote: »

I saw a stat sheet with over 4k unbuffed wpd on a redguard nb... How does one get that much wp? I am running 5 hundings, 3 agi jewelry all robust, 1 kena, 2 leki. 2h & bow all gold with wp dmg enchants. Stam enchants. Warrior mundus. Imp on most, divines and infused on head and shoulders. All attributes into stam. Blue stam/health food.

What am I missing?

'Unbuffed'

Was he crouching that adds 10% to his tooltip, did he have kena proc? Alchemist proc, rally up?

Do you know he isn't buffed?

Pretty sure it's impossible to have 4k unbuffed, without kena proc, alch or rally.

He's likely just a gank build anyway.

I Think its cute you think a high burst build is only for ganking, you can sustain in pvp on a stamblade with like 1k stam regen or less.

I'm a little confused as to how would you sustain with 1k regen unless you are in a zerg. Nightblades usually need to run more regen than the other stam classes

What? Why?

It's the other way around : Nightblade can live with less regen than other classes because they have access to Siphoning Attacks...

Siphoning and redguard means I live happily at 960 regen and haven't popped a stam pot in weeks. I just use poverty spec weapon crit.

psychotic13 wrote: »

sluice wrote: »

thankyourat wrote: »

Lexxypwns wrote: »

what do you mean by unbuffed?

without major brutality I've got more than 4k weapon damage, but its hardly unbuffed, that's with kena, alchemist, and skirmisher proc.

leepalmer95 wrote: »

Ebonheart1111 wrote: »

I saw a stat sheet with over 4k unbuffed wpd on a redguard nb... How does one get that much wp? I am running 5 hundings, 3 agi jewelry all robust, 1 kena, 2 leki. 2h & bow all gold with wp dmg enchants. Stam enchants. Warrior mundus. Imp on most, divines and infused on head and shoulders. All attributes into stam. Blue stam/health food.

What am I missing?

'Unbuffed'

Was he crouching that adds 10% to his tooltip, did he have kena proc? Alchemist proc, rally up?

Do you know he isn't buffed?

Pretty sure it's impossible to have 4k unbuffed, without kena proc, alch or rally.

He's likely just a gank build anyway.

I Think its cute you think a high burst build is only for ganking, you can sustain in pvp on a stamblade with like 1k stam regen or less.

I'm a little confused as to how would you sustain with 1k regen unless you are in a zerg. Nightblades usually need to run more regen than the other stam classes

What? Why?

It's the other way around : Nightblade can live with less regen than other classes because they have access to Siphoning Attacks...

In PvE yes, sustain isn't an issue but it you're in PvP and it doesn't proc it can get you killed, I guess it takes a lot of time to get to know your character and how to manage your resources, I've got a StamBlade but once I levelled him and got Vigor I haven't really played him all that much. But personally I do like to have a decent regen amount at the cost of a little less damage.

Like others have said, a break free or dodge roll at the wrong time with low regen can get you killed, so people who run that type of set up are usually gankers.

Yeah, not to mention that NB has some of the highest costing magicka utility skills. NB needs the regen, and siphoning attacks is good, but not that good.

sluice wrote: »

thankyourat wrote: »

Lexxypwns wrote: »

what do you mean by unbuffed?

without major brutality I've got more than 4k weapon damage, but its hardly unbuffed, that's with kena, alchemist, and skirmisher proc.

leepalmer95 wrote: »

Ebonheart1111 wrote: »

I saw a stat sheet with over 4k unbuffed wpd on a redguard nb... How does one get that much wp? I am running 5 hundings, 3 agi jewelry all robust, 1 kena, 2 leki. 2h & bow all gold with wp dmg enchants. Stam enchants. Warrior mundus. Imp on most, divines and infused on head and shoulders. All attributes into stam. Blue stam/health food.

What am I missing?

'Unbuffed'

Was he crouching that adds 10% to his tooltip, did he have kena proc? Alchemist proc, rally up?

Do you know he isn't buffed?

Pretty sure it's impossible to have 4k unbuffed, without kena proc, alch or rally.

He's likely just a gank build anyway.

I Think its cute you think a high burst build is only for ganking, you can sustain in pvp on a stamblade with like 1k stam regen or less.

I'm a little confused as to how would you sustain with 1k regen unless you are in a zerg. Nightblades usually need to run more regen than the other stam classes

What? Why?

It's the other way around : Nightblade can live with less regen than other classes because they have access to Siphoning Attacks...

Siphoning attacks is overrated because you have to use attacks to proc it so if you are being defensive or running away to los you get no recovery. So siphoning attacks is a good option for 1v1 it's actually kind of op stacked with redguard passives in a 1v1, but it's not as good a option as running drinks for open world PvP. if you are trying to sustain when outnumbered with siphoning attacks you are probably going to have harder time. The other stam classes have better ways of maintaining while being defensive so they don't need to run as much recovery

thankyourat wrote: »

sluice wrote: »

thankyourat wrote: »

Lexxypwns wrote: »

what do you mean by unbuffed?

without major brutality I've got more than 4k weapon damage, but its hardly unbuffed, that's with kena, alchemist, and skirmisher proc.

leepalmer95 wrote: »

Ebonheart1111 wrote: »

I saw a stat sheet with over 4k unbuffed wpd on a redguard nb... How does one get that much wp? I am running 5 hundings, 3 agi jewelry all robust, 1 kena, 2 leki. 2h & bow all gold with wp dmg enchants. Stam enchants. Warrior mundus. Imp on most, divines and infused on head and shoulders. All attributes into stam. Blue stam/health food.

What am I missing?

'Unbuffed'

Was he crouching that adds 10% to his tooltip, did he have kena proc? Alchemist proc, rally up?

Do you know he isn't buffed?

Pretty sure it's impossible to have 4k unbuffed, without kena proc, alch or rally.

He's likely just a gank build anyway.

I Think its cute you think a high burst build is only for ganking, you can sustain in pvp on a stamblade with like 1k stam regen or less.

I'm a little confused as to how would you sustain with 1k regen unless you are in a zerg. Nightblades usually need to run more regen than the other stam classes

What? Why?

It's the other way around : Nightblade can live with less regen than other classes because they have access to Siphoning Attacks...

Siphoning attacks is overrated because you have to use attacks to proc it so if you are being defensive or running away to los you get no recovery. So siphoning attacks is a good option for 1v1 it's actually kind of op stacked with redguard passives in a 1v1, but it's not as good a option as running drinks for open world PvP. if you are trying to sustain when outnumbered with siphoning attacks you are probably going to have harder time. The other stam classes have better ways of maintaining while being defensive so they don't need to run as much recovery

Siphoning attacks is overrated because you have to use attacks to proc it

Everybody I know weave/animation cancel between skills. It's like removing 1k stamina cost to every attack you do..

Seriously do the test (even with a low recovery character) : Drain all your stamina (dodge roll until out of it), then put Siphoning attack up and go to an NPC and spam: light attack => Suprise Attack.

Tell me if there is ever a time where you cannot do Surprise Attack because you are out of Stamina (while Siphoning Attacks is up)? As for my test, I'm always able to land my Surprise Attack as long as Siphoning Attacks is up and I light attack weave.

I agree that Siphoning Attacks does not help you when running away, when breaking CC or dodge rolling and it's a pain to keep up, but it's makes me viable with very low recovery. (Note, I still prefer to run 2k+ recovery, no $h!t lol)


The other stam classes have better ways of maintaining while being defensive so they don't need to run as much recovery

Such as?

Stamina Sorcerer : Dark Deal (It's great but it's a 1 sec cast and it's not the skill that will save you during combat) and Daedric Protection passive increases your recovery by 20%(except you have to slot Bound Armament on all your bars for this to work..which I know a lot of stamina sorc are not doing.)

Templar : Restoring Spirit passives? Repentance (it's great, but you need bodies..therefore it's amazing for PVE, and great but unreliable in PVP)

DK: Green Dragon Blood? (nobody uses that..), Battle Roar and Helping Hands Passives ?

Might of forgot some...

But since we are looking at all passives and actives skills from the other classe, we should look at nightblades:

-Siphoning Attacks (recover 1k stamina per light attacks... )
-Relentless Focus (another 10% recovery for 20 seconds)
-Refreshing Shadows passive (increase recovery by 15% at all time, no need to slot anything)

Other classes have good tools to recover some stamina, but for PVP, I feel more confident playing with low recovery as a nightblade and secondly as a sorc.

For PVE, Stamplar is the easiest by far.

So siphoning attacks is a good option for 1v1 it's actually kind of op stacked with redguard passives in a 1v1, but it's not as good a option as running drinks for open world PvP. if you are trying to sustain when outnumbered with siphoning attacks you are probably going to have harder time.

Agree about redguard.. But even with my Wood Elf, I was able to sustain through fights with only 1.3 recovery (unbuffed).

That said, I am much more enjoying my newer stamblade build with 2.3k recovery (still using Siphoning Attacks..).

But my point still stands : Nightblade is the best classe to sustain stamina in PVP in general.

I run 1.1k recovery on my blade. Zero problems ever. I heavy attack weave as well as siphoning which is more than enough. My stam dk is the exact opposite. I need 2k regen to feel comfortable. My stam sorc has 757 stam regen lol. Dark deal is op is youre fighting someone who doesn't Bash. If they are basing you're hurting their dps, and on ps4 youre willing their stamina regen for at least 3 seconds since we can not rebind keys.

You pc players who can rebind dodge roll and bash have it made. I laugh every time some one bashes dark deal 3 times in a row bc i know they have zero regen happening while i have some at least.

Lexxypwns wrote: »

Brutusmax1mus wrote: »

I run 1.1k recovery on my blade. Zero problems ever. I heavy attack weave as well as siphoning which is more than enough. My stam dk is the exact opposite. I need 2k regen to feel comfortable. My stam sorc has 757 stam regen lol. Dark deal is op is youre fighting someone who doesn't Bash. If they are basing you're hurting their dps, and on ps4 youre willing their stamina regen for at least 3 seconds since we can not rebind keys.

You pc players who can rebind dodge roll and bash have it made. I laugh every time some one bashes dark deal 3 times in a row bc i know they have zero regen happening while i have some at least.

Thanks for posting! It seems many players like to believe what some streamer/guild theorycrafter told them without testing in open world Pvp, Stamblade is most efficiently built with low amounts of regen and high burst since the class skills give you excellent tools to sustain without regen and have crazy damage stacking that gets amplified on big damage builds

I disagree I have tested in open world and I'm a lot better with higher regen. Because I sprint and dodge roll all the time, my weapon damage on my woodelf stam blade is right around 4000 and my regen is around 2k and if I let my regen get lower than that I can't reliably take on 4 or 5 people unless they are just really bad. it's just too many ccs in this game and siphoning attacks just isn't reliable enough. It's great against 1 or 2 people but once you start to get really outnumbered like I always am it's not enough.i think open world nightblade is better with moderate weapon damage and high regen your abilities already hit really hard you don't need to overkill your weapon damage. 4k buffed is more than enough to do away with opponents quickly. I still hit people for 8k surprise attacks that's plenty of damage to kill anyone. While I don't need to run nearly as much regen on my stam dk because I can trade my stam for magic and also get like 40% of my recourses back by using my ultimate. But that maybe just me and my playstyle. What I do agree with is it is better to stack weapon damage if you are mainly a dueler. 1k regen is plenty on a NB for a 1v1

You can easily get over 4k with Hunding Rage / Nightmothers / Agility, Warrior mundus and Fighter Guild bar.

I always tell my guildmates, regarding recovery :
-We all have different playstyle; we all need different amount of recovery.
-You can't have too much recovery.

Therefore you should try to play (and get used to playing) with a lower amount of recovery and slightly increased when needed to find that sweet balance between Attributes / Damage / Recovery.

@Lexxypwns, @thankyourat you are both arguing about what is better for each of you.