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Sorcerer Pets: Unfixed Bugs and Problems
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Dracane✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭puffytheslayer wrote: »puffytheslayer wrote: »i was on my stam sorc, and realised that none of the ultimates are stam sorc friendly,
obviously an overload that scaled off physical, poison or disease damage would b amazing.
but what if... once morphed we had ability to summon a flesh atronach doing poison or disease damage!
admittedly i havent taken a proper look at my pets for a long time, but i do remember pets used to scale off physical damage, so i thought it would be a viable option on my stam sorc, but alas no. :'( if anyone has tried this recently & consider them a viable option please do let me know (im a bit short on skill points to have a play)
But right now, Dawnbreaker is all you could ever want
Even I as a magicka Sorc use dawnbreaker.
When it comes to negate magicka, it doesn't really matter if magicka or stamina. It's good in both hands.
The Atronach is useless for both and well overload as you said.
i love my dawnbreaker dont get me wrong, and as a WW i have my ultimates sorted.... i just though how amazingly disgusting it would be to summon a flesh antronach. LOL
If they would add a stamina atronach morph, then it would most likely be a wind atronach as you can see them in craglorn.
Either way, I hope we see some meaningfull Sorc changes soon.Auri-El is my lord,
Trinimac is my shield,
Magnus is my mind.
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Grao✭✭✭✭✭
✭puffytheslayer wrote: »puffytheslayer wrote: »i was on my stam sorc, and realised that none of the ultimates are stam sorc friendly,
obviously an overload that scaled off physical, poison or disease damage would b amazing.
but what if... once morphed we had ability to summon a flesh atronach doing poison or disease damage!
admittedly i havent taken a proper look at my pets for a long time, but i do remember pets used to scale off physical damage, so i thought it would be a viable option on my stam sorc, but alas no. :'( if anyone has tried this recently & consider them a viable option please do let me know (im a bit short on skill points to have a play)
But right now, Dawnbreaker is all you could ever want Even I as a magicka Sorc use dawnbreaker.
When it comes to negate magicka, it doesn't really matter if magicka or stamina. It's good in both hands.
The Atronach is useless for both and well overload as you said.
i love my dawnbreaker dont get me wrong, and as a WW i have my ultimates sorted.... i just though how amazingly disgusting it would be to summon a flesh antronach. LOL
If they would add a stamina atronach morph, then it would most likely be a wind atronach as you can see them in craglorn.
Either way, I hope we see some meaningfull Sorc changes soon.
Nothing will be changed for at least another 3 - 4 months since the new DLC will drop with 0 class changes.
But hey, now your pets each stand to one side of you and they don't get in the way of your thieving!
Even better, Bound Toggle, our favorite triple slotted passive, has a new coat of painting!
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'Some classes are just better than others'Edited by Grao on July 16, 2016 11:45AM3 -
Rosvira✭✭I may have not read this anywhere, but has anyone mentioned the fact pet control is completely broken too? Pets running in all directionsRosvîra - EP Sorcerer
Arivsor - DC Sorcerer
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Insomnia rex✭✭✭Averya_Teira wrote: »
I honestly don't have any problems with pets in vet dungeons (solo silver, duo gold - except for ICP/WGT/CoA) and I play exclusively pet sorc outside of 12er trials. (Yes, even in vMA/vDSA. No I do not get on the leaderboard with this, but it works just fine ^^, yes it could also prob. be easier...). It is rare for my pets to die at all during dungeon runs. (I took most of my build inspirations from @Thelon & @Waffennacht when I started.)
However I agree with OP that there are a lot of problems with pets still.
Would love the ability to recall pets to my positions, as they still can get stuck with doors/ changing elevation and such, even though this got a lot better for some reason when pets were changed from toggles to being 'active' abilities. Would not mind a damage boost as well. Also, the biggest problem with the shield nerv imho was that pets can get damaged in the split second where shields are not up, which makes the twilight not heal what i want it to heal. (Twilight heal for duo lost a lot of its efficiency because of this.)Edited by Insomnia rex on July 16, 2016 12:24PMCP630 AR20 PC EU, Alt Mag Sorc AD - Insomnicia Rex0 -
psychotic13✭✭✭✭✭
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I believe pets do scale with CP, blessed makes my heals stronger.
On another note, I didn't see the clannfear mentioned in the list of bugs, I did some testing with it and found that the cost of using the ability costs more than double what's stated, and that you can also summon 2 of them!
With 37k Magicka I could only cast the clannfear heal 7/8 times before running out of Magicka, yet I can cast the Matriach heal about 19 times and they cost the same according to the tooltip.
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Insomnia rex✭✭✭psychotic13 wrote: »
I believe pets do scale with CP, blessed makes my heals stronger.
On another note, I didn't see the clannfear mentioned in the list of bugs, I did some testing with it and found that the cost of using the ability costs more than double what's stated, and that you can also summon 2 of them!
With 37k Magicka I could only cast the clannfear heal 7/8 times before running out of Magicka, yet I can cast the Matriach heal about 19 times and they cost the same according to the tooltip.
Fun fact: Its percentage based (from max. mag), you can cast pet abilities more if you have lower mag (given the same reg), which is broken by design.
edit: because wrongEdited by Insomnia rex on July 16, 2016 12:55PMCP630 AR20 PC EU, Alt Mag Sorc AD - Insomnicia Rex0 -
psychotic13✭✭✭✭✭
✭Insomnia rex wrote: »psychotic13 wrote: »
I believe pets do scale with CP, blessed makes my heals stronger.
On another note, I didn't see the clannfear mentioned in the list of bugs, I did some testing with it and found that the cost of using the ability costs more than double what's stated, and that you can also summon 2 of them!
With 37k Magicka I could only cast the clannfear heal 7/8 times before running out of Magicka, yet I can cast the Matriach heal about 19 times and they cost the same according to the tooltip.
Fun fact: Its percentage based (from max. mag), you can cast pet abilities more if you have lower mag (given the same reg), which is broken by design.
Im not quite sure I understand what you mean, would you elaborate?0 -
Insomnia rex✭✭✭The cost of casting a pet ability is based on a percentage of your maximum mag. Basically if you have the same mag. reg (say 2k) with 30k mag or 40k mag, the char with 30k mag can cast them more often, as the regen to max. mag ratio is higher. That's what i meant.
edit: because wrongEdited by Insomnia rex on July 16, 2016 12:54PMCP630 AR20 PC EU, Alt Mag Sorc AD - Insomnicia Rex1 -
psychotic13✭✭✭✭✭
✭Insomnia rex wrote: »The cost of casting a pet ability is based on a percentage of your maximum mag. Basically if you have the same mag. reg (say 2k) with 30k mag or 40k mag, the char with 30k mag can cast them more often, as the regen to max. mag ratio is higher. That's what i meant.
It should really state that if that's the case, the cost it shows on the tooltip I'm assuming is just for the summon then?
But even if this is the case, it still doesn't make sense to the tests I did, the cost was different almost everytime, from the first cast costing like 5k Magicka to the last cast costing over 7k Magicka.
And you say 'the cost of casting a pet ability' meaning they would all follow the same rule, when that's not the case when I can get over 10 more casts with the Matriach than the clannfear, you can see the videos here;
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/278416/clannfear-bug-confirmed-video#latest
Also shows when I had 2 clannfears, ZOS is really starting to annoy me, they keep trying to make sorcs use pets but they won't even fix them.Edited by psychotic13 on July 16, 2016 12:49PM0 -
Insomnia rex✭✭✭it seems i've been completely wrong on the last point, was somehow convinced it worked this way, sorry for the confusion!
can confirm that you are correct with the casts of clannfear & twilight, twilight seems to cost much less to castCP630 AR20 PC EU, Alt Mag Sorc AD - Insomnicia Rex0 -
psychotic13✭✭✭✭✭
✭Insomnia rex wrote: »it seems i've been completely wrong on the last point, was somehow convinced it worked this way, sorry for the confusion!
can confirm that you are correct with the casts of clannfear & twilight, twilight seems to cost much less to cast
It's a pain, ZOS don't even acknowledge it.
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Transairion✭✭✭✭✭I believe pets do scale with CP, blessed makes my heals stronger.
Sorc Summons damage scales with max magicka only, nothing CP related will boost it.
Sorc Summon healing via Twilight MAY (and probably does) scale with CP, since it counts as a player "heal" I guess.
Armor Summons (Morkuldin/Maw of Infernal) damage scale with the Mighty CP tree and psychical damage, oddly enough.
Pets really need better scaling.0 -
psychotic13✭✭✭✭✭
✭Transairion wrote: »I believe pets do scale with CP, blessed makes my heals stronger.
Sorc Summons damage scales with max magicka only, nothing CP related will boost it.
Sorc Summon healing via Twilight MAY (and probably does) scale with CP, since it counts as a player "heal" I guess.
Armor Summons (Morkuldin/Maw of Infernal) damage scale with the Mighty CP tree and psychical damage, oddly enough.
Pets really need better scaling.
Yeah was only talking about the healing factor, I don't use pets to deal damage.0 -
Caeric✭✭✭Another point: there's no way to track the pets' health at all time. In the middle of a fight, I got something else to do than just target a pet to know his remaining HP, especially if I have to do it for each of them.
I've long hoped that ZOS would give us some way to see pet health, and even more so now that the duration of ward has been reduced.
Some time ago I requested an add-on for this purpose (here), but never received any type of response.
I would try to do it myself, but I have no skills with creating add-ons.
Also, see my pet improvement suggestions (in signature below).
.Edited by Caeric on July 16, 2016 2:02PMPC NA
Main: Breton Sorcerer
Too many alts!
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Dracane✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭psychotic13 wrote: »
I believe pets do scale with CP, blessed makes my heals stronger.
On another note, I didn't see the clannfear mentioned in the list of bugs, I did some testing with it and found that the cost of using the ability costs more than double what's stated, and that you can also summon 2 of them!
With 37k Magicka I could only cast the clannfear heal 7/8 times before running out of Magicka, yet I can cast the Matriach heal about 19 times and they cost the same according to the tooltip.
Pet's don't scale with Cp. There base attacks don't
Only abilities that you, the caster cast on your own. Such as volatile pulse or the matriarch heal. But their attacks are not affected by Cp, making them not competive.Auri-El is my lord,
Trinimac is my shield,
Magnus is my mind.
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Origin✭✭✭There is another bug in PvE I just noticed. If you are playing with both pets and you have to escort an NPC as part of a quest, that NPC disappears and you have exit the area and come back to trigger the NPC to appear.
As for the pets fighting effectiveness, ZoS can learn some things from BnS: Badass cat
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Dracane✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭There is another bug in PvE I just noticed. If you are playing with both pets and you have to escort an NPC as part of a quest, that NPC disappears and you have exit the area and come back to trigger the NPC to appear.
As for the pets fighting effectiveness, ZoS can learn some things from BnS: Badass cat
Are you sure this is related to pets ?
My pve quest era is long over, I've finished most things. So I can't comment on that.Edited by Dracane on July 17, 2016 12:47PMAuri-El is my lord,
Trinimac is my shield,
Magnus is my mind.
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psychotic13✭✭✭✭✭
✭I'm interested in the answer to the clannfear heal costing more than stated.
This thread has been up for days and not one dev has acknowledged this, please will one of you answer?
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Dracane✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭psychotic13 wrote: »I'm interested in the answer to the clannfear heal costing more than stated.
This thread has been up for days and not one dev has acknowledged this, please will one of you answer?
@ZOS_GinaBruno @ZOS_JessicaFolsom @ZOS_RichLambert @Wrobel
That would be nice. At least acknowledge the mass of pet bugs.
Devs have done this before, so why not now ? These are currently the heaviest and most impactful bugs in the game besides Exploibeth and gap closers.Auri-El is my lord,
Trinimac is my shield,
Magnus is my mind.
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Dracane✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭xblackroxe wrote: »
Because we don't believe him. Public Dungeons are pro content. It's like a myth to believe, pets could survive this hardcore content. Nobody does !Auri-El is my lord,
Trinimac is my shield,
Magnus is my mind.
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Origin✭✭✭There is another bug in PvE I just noticed. If you are playing with both pets and you have to escort an NPC as part of a quest, that NPC disappears and you have exit the area and come back to trigger the NPC to appear.
As for the pets fighting effectiveness, ZoS can learn some things from BnS: Badass cat
Are you sure this is related to pets ?
My pve quest era is long over, I've finished most things. So I can't comment on that.
Well, I did a test by getting the NPC with one pet and then summoned the other one. The NPC disappeared exactly when the second pet appeared.0 -
Dracane✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Folks, I just discovered another destroying pet bug.
Pet attacks used to be undodgeable since release, making them the only option for Sorcs to deal with roll dodging and shuffling.
However, they are dodgeable now. I felt this before, but couldn't believe it. Now I tested it with someone and it's true.
The twilights attacks are now dodgeable.
Could be just like when lightning beams used to be accidentally dodgeable.
Edited by Dracane on July 19, 2016 5:54PMAuri-El is my lord,
Trinimac is my shield,
Magnus is my mind.
My debut album on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@Gleandra/videos0