Just do it. You'll only get better with practice, and most groups aren't the type that will kick you. Don't get discouraged if it happens.

If you're a sorc I'll even pay to respec you and redo champ points so you can benefit. Idk why but I love doing this kinda stuff.

When someone says 'idk I've never done wgt' I'm all like 'chhhhyyyyeeeeaaaahhhhh lets party'

@Van_0S wrote: »

KoshkaMurka wrote: »

@Van_0S wrote: »

The problem is when I use divines on my DD character, I die a lot in veteran dungeons ( bad experience). So, I though OP, had that same kinda exp, thats why I gave her some solution to be effective in dungeons.
But, now I know the solution I had given was suicide!

To be honest with you, I am very lazy to making two different sets(PvP and PvE) for my DD in dungeons( I do bring my DD sometimes to Veteran dungeons), and I never faced any problems with her in Veteran dungeons.

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Wood elf templar.
6 impenetrable, 1 infused head.
Valkyn skoria, heavy and medium.
Will power rings( all spell damage).
Dual sword 1 precise and the other nirnhored ( Vicious death set)
5x piece of Magnus( purple)
Restoration staff( defending)( VD)

Food: tri-state.
Undaunted passive unlocked.
Mundus: Atronach

My stats
Buffed
Magicka: 32k, Stamina: 18k , health: 20k
Mag regen: 13k, Stam regen: 700.

Spell damage : 2700, Spell crit: 45%
Spell resistance: 22k, Physical res: 17k
Crit resist: 2.1k

Thing is, everything in dungeons is nerfed so hard that it can be done with just light attacks. But that doesnt mean that all builds are equally optimal. For example, I can go pvp with my pve build but my char wont perform as good as it could with proper setup, and vice versa.
Defense values might seem very high, but in reality, considering that 663 armor/spell resist is just 1% actual mitigation, your defense is not that huge. Also, what are you using as your main attack? Puncturing sweep has a very good self-heal. Things like positioning, cp distribution and group support can also affect a lot. And bosses/mobs cannot crit so your impenetrable trait doesnt affect your survivability at all, its like not having traits at all (in pve of course). Some mobs (like 3 dk boss in WGT and some DSA mobs) used to be bugged and could crit, but this was never intended:

Seiffer wrote: »

Hi everyone!

So we did uncover a few instances where monsters were able to critically strike and this is unintended behavior. We have adjusted these monsters so they no longer critically strike. These monsters are individual instances of this issue, and we did not intentionally add the ability for monsters to critically attack.

Look for the fix in an upcoming patch! And thank you for taking the time to provide the info.

Hahaha! The bosses were nerfed, huh!

Good thing, I didn't join any trails with my guildmate. They would have butchered me

In dungeons, I use this rotations for mobs.

Channel focus>Proxy det>Structured entropy> toppling charge>light attack> Puncturing sweeps.

For boss.
Channel focus> Stru Entropy> Puncturing sweeps>dodgeroll back >inner light> Shooting star> Radiant Oppression.
For range boss, I use dark flare instead of Puncturing sweeps.

For defence, I switch to my healing staff and use these rotations.
Channel focus> block>Healing ward>Honor of dead.
If my groups is struggling for heals/defence, I use barrier.

Well, thanks for the information.So, I will have to make a separate set for PvE dungeons and trails.

If you're looking for ways to improve your dps, I'd recommend to add some damage over time effects. For example, there's a Vampire Bane/Reflective light skill which puts your enemy on fire for a few seconds. Also, you can use wall of elements from destruction staff skill line (you're a templar, even if you need off-heals for pugging, you can heal without restoration staff). Try to put these dots, use puncturing sweep a few times, and when you see that dots expired, refresh them and add some more sweeps etc. The idea is to stack many ticks of damage at once. Individual ticks can be not that impressive, but it all adds up. Dont use beam unless the boss is on low hp. And you dont really need to hug the bosses that much (since you've mentioned roll dodging), sweeps actually has a decent range (you can turn on combat text to see this). If you want some extra damage and steady ultimate regeneration, you can give weaving a try. Here's a video that explains how to do this: Btw, speaking of weapons, Sharpened>Nirnhoned these days so you dont need to spend that much if you decide to try destruction staff off-bar. As for crafted sets, would be perfect if you could find someone to craft you Twice-Born star set (9 traits), but even 5 pc Julianos/3 and 4 pieces of something else like Magnus would work. There are interesting dropped sets that include jewelry, too, for example Moondancer or Infallible Aether, but farming them might be very annoying.

@GreenhaloX wrote: »

KoshkaMurka wrote: »

@Van_0S wrote: »

Animal_Mother wrote: »

Van_0S wrote: »

You basically need good gear sets( crafted gear, all purple/gold) and you need to know your class.
Also, for veteran the minimum CP points you should have is 350.
Watch YouTube guide for veteran dungeons.

Van, I think this illustrates what Cazzy and others (including myself) are afraid of... at least in PVP no one cares about my gear or CP. I do understand the requirement for Vet dungeons, but you have to do normal first to gear up or get experience. Aside from the monster sets, isn't the best gear generally available through solo and pvp play?

Best gear is crafted set!( all purple/gold)

You need 2 impenetrable( some bosses hit like a truck) and 5 divines.
Also,CP is for resources and damage reduction.

If you have low CP, then use 2 impenetrable, 3 reinforced, 1 infused and 1 divines. Use at least 1 heavy armor in chest and have some self heals slotted.Use your defensive bar as sword or board with defending trait in sword and nirnhoned/divines/reinforced on shield.
Lastly, check out which crafted set you need for your build.

Edit: for mundus use regen.

On your rings use weapon/spell damage glyps and use agility/will power rings for increase damage.


You can go full nirnhoned, if you have learnt the trait( its very expensive and rare).

Just wanted to point out... OP, dont listen to this!
I'm not sure if you're trolling, but in case you actually dont know, impenetrable is a pvp trait, it only decreases critical hits damage (pve monsters cant crit).
Nirnhoned is pretty useless now and stacking resistances for pve dungeons is useless (unless you're tanking and even then getting more than 33k resists is pointless since its capped). If you go full reinforced/nirnhoned/whatever, you're losing a lot of stats for not having divine traits that increase your mundus stone buff (each golden divine item boosts your mundus by 7,5%, each purple - by 6,5%). Unless you're a tank or pvper, its must have for crafted gear.
Golden gear doesnt change much, only weapons do. Gear can be purple.
Also, Willpower/Agility is not as universal as it used to be in IC patch...

@KoshkaMurka, I've been curious about this. What is this mundus stone effect thing suppose to do for you?

They buff me.
And with as many divine traits as possible the buff increases noticeably, and that increase is much more useful for dd that a small amounts of stats from infused trait or random things from other traits (as I said earlier, stacking defences is counter-productive on full dd, its not Skyrim and the highest mitigation value you can possibly get without blocking etc is 50%, and it would require 33k defenses. And its actually much better to kill your enemies fast, before they can exhaust the group and healer's magicka bar).
Speaking of buffs, I use Twice-Born star set on my dd character, which allows me to take 2 mundus stones. I picked Shadow and Thief.
Thief adds extra crit which is very useful. Without divine traits it adds 11% extra crit, with them - almost 17%.
Shadow increases critical damage. As is it adds 12% extra damage to every crit, and this value changes to a bit over 18% with divine traits.

Send me a message I'll run you through with my friends on any dungeon you like. No pressure, it's just that I think that group pve is the most enjoyable aspect of the game, and would hate for you to miss out on it cuz you are afraid of being grouped with jerks!

Dungeons are fun with mature and calm people who love the game and playing with others

KoshkaMurka wrote: »

Please stop attacking people, it is actually toxic. And so is not listening in group and treating other team members as npcs.
Seriously, every time you notice a message about someone being kicked from the group, you react as agressively as if it was about killing a newborn baby or something horrible like this. I dont know what trauma caused this, but you cant force people to be nice by being agressive like this. You cant force people to be nice to those who arent nice to them. And for the love of god, please stop being so judgemental.

I'm not sure what made you so allergic to MY PERSON, what trauma caused this, but stop being so personal.
I was not agressive, I was criticizing a message which specifically said '"as long as you are not like the people I hate - 40 lines of nasty examples - you'll be fine" and demonstrating how counter productive that is.
You may disagree with my point of view but if all you have in your drawers is personal criticism towards my person, that's not much.

Get your arguments together and come back whenever you're ready.

NB : last time I participated in a thread about groups behaviour/kicking/welcoming, etc. was ... 6 months ago or something ? Even if you disagree with me, I'm honored I left such a long-lasting memory.

@Cazzy, you are so very much not alone in the dungeon regard.

I've had to abandon my first attempt because I simply could not keep the group alive. That put me off...I decided to get more skill points. Now I have enough (still want more)...but I don't want to ruin somebody elses fun because I'm learning.


Bah...one day I'll say eff it, and just queue up and see what happens. Maybe that day will be today...but most likely not

Van_0S wrote: »

You basically need good gear sets( crafted gear, all purple/gold) and you need to know your class.
Also, for veteran the minimum CP points you should have is 350.
Watch YouTube guide for veteran dungeons.

That's WAY overkill for Vet Dungeons LOL.....

Van_0S wrote: »

You basically need good gear sets( crafted gear, all purple/gold) and you need to know your class.
Also, for veteran the minimum CP points you should have is 350.

This is the kind of requirement that I think is not appropriate for a newbie to dungeons.

However - that's my taste. I go for fun, for chat (usually skype with friends) and in most non-vet and some vet dungeons you can do it as long as you listen to the group and observe the relevant mechanics. Ask for advice - a group that gives some (other than "GET GUD").

Be honest about not being familiar with stuff, and the people who mentioned starting the conversation in zone chat are right. Too often the dungeon group finder is full of people doing the pledge or the random of the day, and wanting to do it a high speed, no worrying about finding chests or looting.

I actually got profiled by someone before I joined the group. The only two group dungeons I haven't completed are vet WGT and vet ICP and I'm at the CP cap with 5 fully geared max level toons. I have never had that happen before. I know I can do that content, I've been doing this for much longer than this person had been but yet they felt the need to ask me if I was any good.

Mush55 wrote: »

Van_0S wrote: »

You basically need good gear sets( crafted gear, all purple/gold) and you need to know your class.
Also, for veteran the minimum CP points you should have is 350.
Watch YouTube guide for veteran dungeons.

What, 350 champ points for veteran you sir made me laugh.......

Being able to listen and do as advised is more valuable than champ points in any dungeon....

totally agree on this;)

Cazzy wrote: »

I hear so many "horror stories" about people being kicked, nasty players etc. Plus I don't know how well I'd do in any dungeon. I think I'm probably comparatively bad. But I'm missing out

My very first vet dungeon was at (back then) v1, I think it was 2-3 days before I got my first vet toon. I understand your apprehension completely. I was so fearful then that I would just be a burden to the group. But I thought if I didn't try it I would never know. So I did. Luckily enough, I got into a very reasonable group. I told them (before we started) that it was my first vet run, and they said they'd walk me through it-- it was vet Wayrest, so I suppose that was easy enough. But I appreciated how patient they were, and even waited for me when I had to stop for the quest progression in the dungeon. I was the only v1, as far as I can remember there was a v3 in the group (as it was scaled to him/her), the rest were around v4-6. We completed it. Not as smooth, and I can't remember if we wiped, but it was definitely both an intimidating and fun run.

I had green warlock set-- lol that's it. I got it for 2k? Back then, I don't know why, but the v1 warlock set was always on ad on the zone chats. I was a healer.

For some reason, I like the groups before. More people were patient, and it was not always DPS driven. What I mean, is that right now, the faster you run through the dungeon the better. Which is not a bad idea generally, but it is sad that no one would take someone who has lower CP, or someone with no xp on dungeons, just because people want to complete dungeons as fast as they possibly can. I could understand if it's vWGT or vICP, still, me personally, I wouldn't mind.

Most of my vet runs when I was lower vet were ok. I've always pugged it. Since I didn't have a guild then. Yeah, I literally didn't have any guilds until I was like v10? There were some times where you get a toxic player in team. But in general, most people were helpful.

I still pug a lot today. Even though I already have guildies and friends I can run it with. Most of the time, I will LFG in zone chat, and would not care if I get a cp10 in the group (the dungeon can be scaled after all). I don't mind teaching mechanics and I don't mind if we wipe a few times, or even if we cannot complete the run. People say pugging can be terrible, while there is truth to that, not all pug groups are terrible. Some people just don't have the tolerance when people aren't as "good" as them. Then again, we all started from nothing, yes?

Lately, I have been with groups who are cp160+ and have no experience of any vet dungeons. I suppose these are the people who were told it would have been better if they started pledges at cp160. I think the moment you hit level 50 you take the pledge. And just brave it. Yes, it's intimidating, but at least you know where you can improve on, moving forward. There will be toxic players, whether you're cp10 or cp160 or cp587. Just ignore them as you move along. And try to learn from those that are willing to help you improve. Also it wouldn't hurt if you look at videos on these dungeon runs. hehehe.

anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »

Seratopia wrote: »

Don't be scared to do dungeons.

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Other than those two experiences pug groups are fine.

LOL, just LOL.
You just gave OP two excellent, perfect examples of how people (you...) judgemental, unhealthy and stinky people can be, and you think that's going to cheer her up ?

40+ lines of toxic talk and 1 line of "else everything is fine" ???

No comment...

I guess you didn't bother to read where I said Cazzy doesn't seem like the type to not know what she's doing.

Anyway, I am a judemental, stinky, and unhealthy person because I think someone who just spams ONE ability in pve deserves to be kicked? Someone who stands in red circles, is a sorc but doesn't shield up, dies every 20 secs and doesn't provide anything to the group but be a liability doesn't deserve to be kicked? My boyfriend told her many times what to do. She didn't listen. Why should he have to waste time, another hour for her? Smh.

"I was not agressive, I was criticizing a message which specifically said '"as long as you are not like the people I hate - 40 lines of nasty examples - you'll be fine" and demonstrating how counter productive that is."

Lmao. When did I EVER say I hated anyone? Also if you didn't read, again. I said we usually carry people but my bf was on his fresh low alt. And I was watching. The group was going nowhere. That's why I had to step in and get the people who actually did the leg work to finish. It was a group decision and nobody ruled against her leaving. That was the only time we ever had to kick someone.

i was the same way. even the main guild i am in has some people that get pissed when you dont know the mechanics or every dungeon inside and out.

i joined a new guild two weeks ago --- up until last night i had never finished vet city of ash. the group i ran with last night got me the speed achievement and a shiny new valkyn skoria helmet.

just find an event guild and that should solve 90% of your problems

Cazzy wrote: »

I hear so many "horror stories" about people being kicked, nasty players etc. Plus I don't know how well I'd do in any dungeon. I think I'm probably comparatively bad. But I'm missing out

There is a fair bunch of idiots/tards/elitists out there, same thing for all MMOs. Best way is to do it with a guild group and then afterwards use the Group Finder, when basics are down.

I have been kicked numerous times as a low vet sorc tank(skills just as good as a max vet tank) but kicked purely for not being max lvl. Keep in mind that people that kicks purely by looking at another players lvl is insecure of his own performance.
Agreed that CP lvl and Gear does play a part in dungeons, but if a player knows what to do he can perfom just as good as a max lvl.

As many others has mentioned the bad experiences are the ones u hear the most and will remember. Dont let it throw u off as u will experience it no matter where u go.

Just dive into the fun. Good Luck!

What? Mean people on the Internet? No! That can't be true!