Alcast wrote: »

Mobs do not crit.

However, sometimes Addons mark some hits as "Crits" although they are not, it is just a bug in an addon.

Thanks for your input, Alcast.

I figured this as well. In fact, the only reason I even bothered with a forum post is because of a conversation a guild member and I had last night, where he said he read a forum thread with screen images showing FTC combat logs, apparently registering spike/burst damage as crits in a dungeon. I chalked it up to an addon bug, but even a quick Google search shows a number of different forum threads where others claim they do crit.

At any rate, I'm still leaning towards the side of, "they don't crit", but figured I see if anything conclusive could be provided.

Alcast is correct here, though I personally haven't experienced an addon register a crit. If an addon is showing a crit, it is probaby due to a numerical threshold for a certain attack being crossed (as a result of a damage modifier like the cloud in stage 1 of vMA).

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Just looked at that screenshot from the other thread. I'm not completely sure what the cause is, but the damage certainly doesn't look high enough to be a crit. I'm going to have to test a few things and get back to you.

Asayre wrote: »

There was a recent thread on this topic (http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/242445/my-critical-resistance-is-500-great-what-does-that-mean#latest)

Some people claimed that mobs can crit now. A screenshot was provided by @Personofsecrets. I'm not totally sure if that crit is real or an addon bug as there is no screenshot of the base damage. But I believe some DK mobs can crit if they use Inferno.

I ran vet spindle that day and checked my combat logs and did not note a crit. I also check my combat logs from a VMA run a couple of weeks back and didn't notice a crit.

Edit: Alcast is right. It is not uncommon for a non-crit attack to register as a crit in Combat Log Statistics and Foundry Tactical Combat.

Some mobs use mage light too can they crit with those?

I always believed mobs don't crit

TotterTates wrote: »

Alcast is correct here, though I personally haven't experienced an addon register a crit. If an addon is showing a crit, it is probaby due to a numerical threshold for a certain attack being crossed (as a result of a damage modifier like the cloud in stage 1 of vMA).

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Just looked at that screenshot from the other thread. I'm not completely sure what the cause is, but the damage certainly doesn't look high enough to be a crit. I'm going to have to test a few things and get back to you.

Let me know when you figure it out please. I was and still am baffled by that crit I captured. If it turns out to be an addon error, then that is fine, but it would be interesting to know if it wasn't FTCs fault.

You just have to run around letting every mob you see hack and schwack you. Then stare at your combat log and look for the word crit. You cannot block or use shields as combat logs (CLS and FTC) will just show that you blocked a hit or absorbed a hit thus making it a bit trickier to determine if it was a crit. If you find a crit you then have to find the exact same skill that did not crit and the compare the two. You also need to make sure that you get a full range of non-crits with the same skill name since some mobs can do the same skill move but it can do slightly different damage.

I look forward to your results and appreciate your testing.

TotterTates wrote: »

Alright, about to start testing. I'm running Combat Cloud, Combat Analytics, FTC, and AUI.

Going to start out by running WGT to try to duplicate that image... if there's interest, I'll stream it.

Much appreciated, @TotterTates . Hopefully we can get some further light shed on this.

@TotterTates

Ok, wow. So NPCs are critically hitting us and you can say it's not just DK abilities as well (ie: Pierce Armor).

I'm still on the fence if this is a addon thing that is registering spike damage as "critical" due to a threshold (as you mentioned before), if ZOS snuck this in there without warning or a past patch/update indirectly broke something.

Nifty2g wrote: »

Asayre wrote: »

You just have to run around letting every mob you see hack and schwack you. Then stare at your combat log and look for the word crit. You cannot block or use shields as combat logs (CLS and FTC) will just show that you blocked a hit or absorbed a hit thus making it a bit trickier to determine if it was a crit. If you find a crit you then have to find the exact same skill that did not crit and the compare the two. You also need to make sure that you get a full range of non-crits with the same skill name since some mobs can do the same skill move but it can do slightly different damage.

I look forward to your results and appreciate your testing.

@TotterTates could you try doing what Asayre provided info too as well?
I've heard that boss trio crits people but not sure about others.
I believe Hiath can crit you too

That's what I did, no crits outside of that 1 encounter (as of yet). I'm going to test all the dungeons eventually... but it'll take a significant amount of time.

I'm running wgt again now to actually record the damage numbers.

Asayre wrote: »

Thanks @TotterTates. I should have asked for you to turn off healing received to stop the heal spam in your combat logs.

I would say that the crits are real from the second and fifth picture



Engulfing flames - noncrit 495, crit 994, crit multiplier 2



Cinder Storm - noncrit 1993, crit 3109, crit multiplier 1.56

The crit chance appears low. I watched your video from 15:47 to 16:41 and counted a total of 62 hits (blocked hits were excluded) and saw 2 crits. I would say that this is good evidence that DK bosses (maybe DK mobs too) can crit and the most likely cause is that they are able to use Inferno which would explain the low crit rate. @OmniDevil, this means that the crit for Pierce Armour and Steel Tornado are not unsurprising. Since you didn't observe any crits from any other mobs I would probably stick with this explanation.

I believe @Nifty2g is right. Hiath, who is also a DK, can crit.

I can't figure out how to turn off healing received...

Asayre wrote: »

@OmniDevil, this means that the crit for Pierce Armour and Steel Tornado are not unsurprising. Since you didn't observe any crits from any other mobs I would probably stick with this explanation.

I believe @Nifty2g is right. Hiath, who is also a DK, can crit.

So it would seem that NPCs that are of the "DK" variety are those that tend to register crits with FTC or other combat meter addons due to them typically using the "Inferno" skill from the Arden Flame skill tree.

I've always been under the impression that NPCs don't crit and any kind of large amount of damage taken was simply spike damage due to a heavy melee/spell attack that they used.

Assuming only those types of NPCs can crit, while others can't, I still feel this is a negative side effect (seems to be more and more common these days) caused by a prior patch that adjusted the tuning/abilities of npc enemies.

Edit:
I hope this doesn't lead players to suggesting "Impenetrable" gear as I believe Infused, Divines, Reinforced, etc. are still going to provide better stats/numbers over a potentially gimmicky gear trait that seems to really only benefit players in PvP situations.