Ep1kMalware wrote: »

Reykice wrote: »

Sorcerers are still #1 in Veteran Maelstrom and still considered easy and that is the hardest content there is for solo...

So they did not get hit that hard and shields had to go, you had them tanking anything and while they still can do it the duration makes mistakes more likely to happen.

In the end they can still pop a shield and laugh at the opposition, but it now requires better timing and can`t be on 24/7.

I doubt they will see buffs when they can top the charts...

wrong. magica nb is.

False, highest score is Jace's sorc. 585289
While highest Nb is 582299

Sigh.... Surge was not a nerf. We get heals from AoE damage now and if your crit rating is over 60% you just don't die. Stack WoE and LL is better more consistent heals now

DjSolJAH wrote: »

Sigh.... Surge was not a nerf. We get heals from AoE damage now and if your crit rating is over 60% you just don't die. Stack WoE and LL is better more consistent heals now

Sigh.... it was nerfed. Unless you run a dot spec it doesn't heal as much as old surge did.

Current surge, 3k heal after critting an attack. 1 sec cd.

Old Surge, Heal on crit scaling with damage done.

Dot build can easily get 10-15k hps with surge.... burst builds (which is pretty much the magsorc only competitive build) you're lucky if you get 3k hps.

That's a nerf.

For me, the 6 seconds are not a Problem, its the DMG.. There is no 1vx against an decent players anymore,nor even against 2-3 medicore players having DMG Art least. If i fight against 2-x players, i cast my shield (45k magicka) and immediately can cast it again.

The DMG is the Problem. My shield gets hit for 5-9k , thats ridicolous. If i shield stack harness with hardened its the same (not against 1 player).

All i do is casting shields and a curse, crushing shock inbetween, but the Moment they are at 50% life they roll Dodge and full again.

#BUFFSTAVES

At first i kinda disliked it ALOT but then I played all day on my Sorc and it got better and better now its like before I play gets kills and then I get zerged down... Im used to it now and Im liking it just NBs are pretty OP with their 50Ulti lol so many NBs nowadays...

Summoning skill line needs to be changed asap please

I love my sorc and am desperately trying to figure out a way to make him more survivable in both pvp and pve, while still maintaining great dps. Here is the problem, please read with an open mind. And afterwards, ask yourself 'what function is this class performing exactly'?

And know that these ideas and critiques are geared toward steering the sorc away from continuing down the overload mode road, in addition to acknowledging that there are exceptional players who have worked around these issues pretty well.

It's all about the high magicka costs and the necessitation of spending resources on defense in order to be alive and do our role as offensive spellcasters. But the defense is barely mediocre unless you dedicate a bar to three shields. This takes away from dps on many levels, including restricting our weapon choice to resto for the third shield, and detracting from the effectiveness our ultimate saving grace (get it?). This makes us healers that only ensure our survibability and produce abysmal dps. So not an option.

We now require constant and expensive uptime in potentially hazardous environments, which ends up placing the burden of magicka allocation on defense rather than offense. This is both for pvp and pve. A magicka sorcerer is an offensive class, but when magicka costs are increased and the duration of our sole means of defense decreased, we are forced to play defensively, and since dps is expensive, and shields are brief, expensive, and mandatory to stay alive...then I guess we need to rely on other healers to keep us afloat while we weave and frag and build up overload? This is what zenimax wants so badly. But it isn't synergy when all other classes can either do the healing, self heals, AND output dps as good or better. These is why I say the sorc is in the limbo zone right now.

I've seen stam dk's 1v1 for 10 minute intervals, constantly replenishing themselves while simultaneously causing good damage.

I've seen magblades swallow soul to the point of swallowing armies whole.

Some Templars just. Don't. Die. And hurt you a lot in the process of not dying.

Our light armor and shields protects us from a wrecking blow->crit charge->reverse slash combo rarely ever unless you manage to streak away or miraculously get a ward up long enough to healing ward, only to get punished again. Most vmsa bosses can almost one hit through hardened and harness, demanding reapplication. We are essentially in limbo as a class. Think about it- if our role is ultra master caster dps players, then means of survibability should exist that don't demand exorbitant amounts of resources and spells we cast to allow us to stay alive long enough to throw one proc'd frag- which is hardly contributing to any situation. Weaving, and casting the few useful class skills we do have shouldn't be such a cautious endeavor that we begin to polarize as either glass cannons or self preservationists. Therefore we end up overloading like the embodiment of Thor, and then hope we don't get punctured 3x toppling charged and radiant oppressioned.

Here's what needs to happen. Hardened ward is brief. Fine. But it needs to provide us with a 50% chance for immunity to knockback and fear for those six seconds. Then it becomes a mind game of will he try that again? Can I attack? Should I start a frag and cancel it and ward up, and THEN weave? That's fun playing imo.

Surge refills health in a different way that makes health recovery unbroken (let's face it, it was), but should also now restore some small amount of magic on the crit hits too. I think this would allow us to generate enough resources so that we can at least have the opportunity to carry out some decent SUSTAINED dos as a perk to surviving.

I can manage pretty well in pve, and demanding attention to our mortality is a good thing I believe. But the extent and cost of these realities are disproportionate to any opportunity for da deeps to occur in a truly effective way.

Yes sorcs could stay alive forever and one frag could full heal, but so what? A breath of life is the same. Sap essence and siphoning strikes incentivize damage output. Idk much about dk's, but I've seen them do some mad heals and come back scratching and exhaling toxic waste like nothing happened.

Sorcs life feels like a B or B- version of all the wonderful qualities idiosyncratic to the other classes, and only excel if they think outside the box and fight damn hard for what is in all honestly a role that is kinda inferior, awkward, and restrictive.

If none of that sounds good, would you at least agree that sorcs should at be able to uniquely stand out as a role, and have something besides overload to define them?

Range is still good, but people close in fast and single you out.

Pve sorcs like me suffer from this all too in different ways which I have outlined in another thread. AT LEAST they could've left us alone for pve...

Tldr;

Increase costs and over nerded self sustain/ defense faculties lead magicka sorcs to play styles of either overloading, self preservation, or follow the traditional- but now inferior- route of dps that I see being outshined by many other builds.

Or maybe you disagree. I can still do maelstrom and dungeons and benefit the team, it's just...less inspiring than playing a more fun, survivable, and equal-if-not-better class, and maybe not as beneficial to a group. That is the very definition of imbalance.

Despite this topic, I've recently went against some good Sorcs in Cyrodiil and I have to say, they didn't get hit "too hard" at all come to think of it... they can still hold their weight, even though they run outta magicka quicker (i think) they're strong with the right set up!

Molag_Crow wrote: »

Despite this topic, I've recently went against some good Sorcs in Cyrodiil and I have to say, they didn't get hit "too hard" at all come to think of it... they can still hold their weight, even though they run outta magicka quicker (i think) they're strong with the right set up!

This kind of thinking is really what damages the magicka sorcerer.

Yes, it is possible to play a magicka sorcerer well. With one build. One role. The same skills. The same sets. No variation.
And yet there are people who say there isn't a problem. Because oh they can do that one thing on that one way in an acceptable manner.

But this isn't a new issue, unfortunately. And I am not sure if @Wrobel is aware that the pigeonholing is the issue.

Abeille wrote: »

Molag_Crow wrote: »

Despite this topic, I've recently went against some good Sorcs in Cyrodiil and I have to say, they didn't get hit "too hard" at all come to think of it... they can still hold their weight, even though they run outta magicka quicker (i think) they're strong with the right set up!

This kind of thinking is really what damages the magicka sorcerer.

Yes, it is possible to play a magicka sorcerer well. With one build. One role. The same skills. The same sets. No variation.
And yet there are people who say there isn't a problem. Because oh they can do that one thing on that one way in an acceptable manner.

But this isn't a new issue, unfortunately. And I am not sure if @Wrobel is aware that the pigeonholing is the issue.

I don't play the sorcerer with the same build, same skills and same role. The issue is lack of creativity from the player base, not a lack of possible builds...